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Author	Topic: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:22pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan - Date Edited: 1/24/03 6:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Master Salty
	Or should this place be only what the owners want it to be, in which case lets ask them about a whole range of issues from religion to the JCC to the Senate. Why are you even here if we're just going to follow the owners wishes in every particular? Speaking as a website owner, my word is the final word on EVERY matter that occurs at my website. I don't think it's any different here. If someone approaches me in a respectful manner with suggestions on how to improve the site, I tend to sincerely listen. I base my decision on what the majority wants, but there are things that are non-negotiable. In situations like that it comes down to either the user accepts it and continues to contribute to the site or they leave. You can't please everyone and you shouldn't try. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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farraday Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:25pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	Speaking as a website user, if the policies of this board were to more directly reflect the beliefs and opinions of the website owners this place would be FUBAR. -----signature----- Not photoshopped, digitally enhanced or altered.
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:29pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	How about give me your perfect version of the JC. I'm very interested in what you perceive to be the perfect JC. -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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Darth Dark Helmet Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:39pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	Where are you guys getting this "All Discussion of alcohol is banned" idea? I don't see that anywhere in this update. Nor, for the most part did I see it when I was a mod. Discussing them seems to be fine. But starting a thread about how drunk you were and how cool it was, isn't. Maybe I'm reading things wrong, and missing some big bru-ha-ha somewhere. But I don't see anything here that says you can't discuss alcohol. -----signature----- When dealing with genocide, you must ask yourself, "What would Hitler do?" And then, you know, do the opposite.
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farraday Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:43pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan - Date Edited: 1/24/03 6:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: farraday
	My vision of the perfect world involves one where I recieve copious amoutns of money for doing nothing. Sadly perfection is an impossible goal. Now if you want to know what I'd like to see change about the JC? A universal standard between the mods and, to relate to this, an understanding that rules that are impossible to enforce should not be made. Even more staggereing is the concept that somehow talking about being inebriated should be banned when the mods can't even set or stick to a standard on how much of swear words should be editted out or even edit out every uneditted curse. -----signature----- Not photoshopped, digitally enhanced or altered.
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Master Salty Registered: Apr '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:43pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	DDH, I started a thread concerning alcohol and drug use discussion on the JC in the AC forum. It was more out of curiosity than anything. I mentioned "___ has passed out on my couch" threads and it went from there. Here is my intial post. Basically, the question is how much, if any, discussion on these topics should be allowed at the JC. I can see where serious discussion and debate on these topics could take place in the Senate, but what about the JCC? -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society http://www.blueyodasociety.com
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YodaJeff Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:44pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	It's all fine and dandy to say that alcohol discussion should be allowed. However, it'd be helpful if you were more specific. In your opinion, which of the following would be appropriate, and why? (feel free to add more examples of what you might consider appropriate or inappropriate): "Man, I got so wasted last night, I can't remember a thing!" "Getting drunk is great! Everyone should do it!" "I enjoy an occasional Bud Light." "I'm sitting here sipping on a nice refreshing Fosters." "Post your funny drunk stories here!" "UserX is passed out on my couch." "What's your favorite mixed drink?" "OGM Im so durkn rite now!1 LolOLOL" -----signature----- The JC can't be everything for everyone. "It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level."
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Padawan915 Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:50pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan - Date Edited: 1/24/03 6:51pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Padawan915
	Alcohol discussion should be allowed as long as it doesn't entail the following: 1. People being stupid about and creating threads like some of the ones that YJ mentioned above such as: "Man, I got so wasted last night, I can't remember a thing!", "Getting drunk is great! Everyone should do it!", and "OGM Im so durkn rite now!1 LolOLOL" Those should not be allowed, because they don't add anything to community building, and are just chances for users to spam and flame. 2. Users who are above 21 or under glorifying alcohol consumption and telling everyone to do so. This isn't good, because people should be able to have their own decision on whether to drink. Sure, I may be 20 and underage, but I don't encourage people to drink alcohol and get wasted. I never have. I think that alcohol can be discussed in an intelligent manner or debated about the rights and wrongs or whats not. As long as their isnt glorifying of getting drunk or stupid spam threads, then alcohol discussion should be allowed. If you mention in a social thread that you're enjoying a casual drink, not a big deal. Just my $.02 though. Edit: Markup -----signature----- Blue Yoda Society: SVC aka #2 aka Mr. Smithers Fandom Alliance of Philadelphia Join the Wiivolution "So I live by these two words, **** you, pay me" ` - Kanye West
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farraday Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:52pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	"OGM Im so durkn rite now!1 LolOLOL" Seems a bit like spam to me, although if it was a post in a large thread I doubt there'd be much uproar since it's doubtful a mod would ever know. The first one is probably a great opprtunity for a few pointed remarks about stupid people pissing away thier money, but otherwise might require a close look since it appears to be covered nicely by the 'favorite drunk story' one. The second looks like it might be a good start for a satirical look at excessive drinking and the rest seem fine to me although the mod in question would probably have to keep an eye on them to make sure they wouldn't turn into, heaven forfend, spam. -----signature----- Not photoshopped, digitally enhanced or altered.
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Porkins in a Speedo Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 6:55pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	there is a difference between talking about alcohol in general (which is legal), and talking about doing something illegal such as a underage person purchasing, possessing, or consuming alcohol. "discussion of alcohol shouldn't be allowed because it's illegal for underage people to purchase, possess, and consume. <--- THERE'S YOUR FALLACY. and to me it's also a weak cop out. let's forbid discussion of other things that can be illegal to do rather than talk about, such as: punching a person in the face, ripping the tags off a mattress before it is sold, failure to yield the right of way at an intersection, etc etc. oh, and threads about guns shouldn't be allowed because there are many situations in which guns are illegal. let's hope you see my point rather than crying "DRAMA!"
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Darth_Dagsy Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/24/03 7:02pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	You know, we wouldnt be having this discussion if AC3 had chosen better looking ACers... But closer to the topic at hand, I'm wondering why 'family friendly' means that the JC is solely aimed towards the 13-16 ages, rather then truly being friendly to people of all ages from 13+. It seems that people that are a little older are somewhat asked to dumb themselves down, for the sake of making the place best for 13-16yos. Shouldnt 'family-friendly' really be about making the JC best for all people of all ages? -----signature----- Dammit. Now I have to think of something smart to put here. The master has fled
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Porkins in a Speedo Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 7:09pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	if i'm not mistaken, you're supposed to be 13 years old to be a member here. you're supposed to be 13 years old to be admitted to a PG-13 rated movie. however, there are A LOT of things that are acceptable for a PG-13 movie, but not acceptable for the JC. jigga what? it makes no sense.
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FlamingSword Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/24/03 7:11pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	Shouldnt 'family-friendly' really be about making the JC best for all people of all ages? Hmm, yes. But that includes teenagers since anyone over 13 is allowed. So the question is what should and shouldn't be allowed to be discussed and in what way. If it were all about 13-16 year olds, we wouldn't even be discussing it It isn't that the mention of alcohol should be banned, but the promotion of alcohol is downplayed. It's a question for everyone really. In some ways, it's not as much a dumbin down, as discussing some topics on boards other than the JC. (You can always start your own) In your opinion on threads on the JC: Would it be appropriate for members (let's assume they're adults but everyone can join and read) to talk about their nightly exploits with alcohol? Would you consider that family-friendly? Would it be appropriate for a member to mention he had a drink last night? Would it be appropriate for a member to start a thread about the various drinks, how they are made, what they're like, how enjoyable they are, and which ones they prefer? Would it be appropriate for a member to post an article stating that wine is good for your health? You know, we wouldnt be having this discussion if AC3 had chosen better looking ACers... It's inner beauty that counts ... it's inner beauty that really counts ... it's inner beauty that really counts ... repeats 100x
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KnightWriter Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/24/03 7:12pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan
	however, there are A LOT of things that are acceptable for a PG-13 movie, but not acceptable for the JC Keep in mind that using the complete spectrum of PG-13 takes you to a near-R rated level. The owners have deemed it important to maintain a family-friendly level for more than just ages 13 and up. -----signature----- Opposing Scrooge Economics since 2009
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Porkins in a Speedo Registered: May '99	Date Posted: 1/24/03 7:15pm Subject: RE: AC Update, 18th - 24th Jan - Date Edited: 1/24/03 7:16pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Porkins in a Speedo
	The owners have deemed it important to maintain a family-friendly level for more than just ages 13 and up. then why aren't people under the age of 13 allowed to be members? why try to appeal to an age group that isn't even allowed to be here?
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