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TNPredsFan Title: FF Chapter Rep Memphis, TN Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 12/12/08 6:54am Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	It took me awhile to catch up with the thread. Darn RL. Keralys, I like your list of action items that you and the other mods are reviewing. Sinre's suggestion of splitting Lit is a bold suggestion, but I don't think it addresses the underlying issues. Other threads in Comms are discussing merging boards, so I don't believe that separating Lit is a good idea right now. Like others have mentioned, I like the fact that Lit is "one-stop shopping for EU". Mods cannot be in every thread at all times, so some self-policing is needed. Fan Fic has been mentioned by a couple of people, so I'll use one of the Resource threads as an example. User X is the thread host for a characterization/ship/era thread. User X, as thread host, may bring up specific topics for discussion. User X is encouraged to gently steer conversation back "on target" if the conversations begins to wander too far off-course or PM a mod if someone crosses a line where mod assistance/intervention is needed. -----signature----- "I hate it when people I hate make sense." - Jarael, KotOR Webmaster for: http://www.memphisfanforce.com/ http://www.linworkman.com/ http://www.midsouthcartoonists.com/
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Havac Title: Lit Mod of War Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 12/12/08 1:28pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	Jedi Ben posted: I'd to think I have more style and subtlety than that, but I can well appreciate what you're getting at and agree. That was a general, example "you". -----signature----- "Is there a captain's hat involved in this?"
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central = Offizieller Burger Brater Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 12/12/08 1:34pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	When I found these boards I started posting in Lit. Today, I think it's a miracle I'm still here. When I hear Lit, all my defences go up automatically and I get ready to fire, just in case, I know I'll need it. And I'm not even there often. Maybe I am a very prejudiced old Lady, but many people I know seem to have similar attitudes. Lit has a bad name. I once suggested (only half jokingly, to rename it 'Continuity Discussion Board'. ) I had my last attempts there when Order 66 came out. Very bad idea, I agree, but I was willing to give the discussion thread there a shot. What I remember most vividly of the discussion: 1) Pages of discussion if the use of Shysa Fenn (who the Force is Shysa Fenn) was making continuity problems or not 2) awesome amount of posts discussing something in a LotF book, because it tied in to O66. (Jaina/Boba/Jacen) Also, people never seemed to reply to anything that was not continuity related. And things that worked well for continuity and even solved problems were generously ignored. Conclusion: More moderation, I don't care by whom. 1) Whack some of those sprung records on so they don't keep repeating the same stuff over and over again. 2)Make sure that minor tangents don't take over the discussion. 4) More positivity. In FF we have that rule 'if you can't say something nice, shut up'. Not meaning to implement that in Lit, but as long as the complete inversion (if you don't have something negative to say shut up) seems to be implemented Lit sucks. 3) Actually, you can do what you please, because, personally, I never intend to go back. -----signature----- "You will kill yourself trying to live up to their expectations." "That's okay for me." Cuyir adate jate, bal droten ori'dush Proud Master and buir'ika of Commander_Ducky. My New Title: Lords and Ladies of the Empire
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 12/12/08 2:02pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	Havac posted: Jedi Ben posted: I'd to think I have more style and subtlety than that, but I can well appreciate what you're getting at and agree. That was a general, example "you". I thought I'd said that I did get your point! -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 12/12/08 3:48pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	MsLanna : In FF we have that rule 'if you can't say something nice, shut up'. I think fanfic is a bit different though. The fanfic is written by people who aren't professionals and fanfic is free. It's good to encourage nonprofessional writers in a positive way as it's really their only "paycheck", their only reward for their hard work. But I would think that even fanfic writers would like some feedback about what the reader didn't feel worked all that well, in order to improve their future writing. In Lit, most of the readers have paid for the books and comics that they read, and the authors have been paid for their work. I think that entitles the readers to express their opinions. If you really don't like the darker, more depressing direction that the publisher has been moving in for the past nearly ten years, how can you say only nice things? And if only those who like everything they read is allowed to post on a discussion board, how much of a discussion are you going to have and how authentic is it going to be? And I haven't seen much evidence of posters telling positive posters to "shut up." If anything, the opposite has been more true. I know that I've been "shot down" for bringing up a negative. As I've said, you can't control everything that people say. Some people do say snarky and hurtful things. That's why I suggested that all of us try to "pay it forward" so to speak, by giving posters positive posting experiences, by making Lit a friendly place to balance and blunt the occasional nasty remark that's disrespectful.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 12/12/08 3:58pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	MsLanna posted: When I found these boards I started posting in Lit. Today, I think it's a miracle I'm still here. When I hear Lit, all my defences go up automatically and I get ready to fire, just in case, I know I'll need it. And I'm not even there often. Maybe I am a very prejudiced old Lady, but many people I know seem to have similar attitudes. Lit has a bad name. I once suggested (only half jokingly, to rename it 'Continuity Discussion Board'. ) I had my last attempts there when Order 66 came out. Very bad idea, I agree, but I was willing to give the discussion thread there a shot. What I remember most vividly of the discussion: 1) Pages of discussion if the use of Shysa Fenn (who the Force is Shysa Fenn) was making continuity problems or not 2) awesome amount of posts discussing something in a LotF book, because it tied in to O66. (Jaina/Boba/Jacen) From what you've posted it sounds like, of all the possible areas and threads you could have wandered into, you ended up in easily the hottest and most volatile one. Order 66 and Mando discussions are really, in my experience, best observed in fully cloaked lurk mode. You keep your head down at all times. BUT that single area is not representative of Lit but plenty of people obviously feel that it is, at the same time though, just about every Mod involved in this discussion has acknowledged the problem. Solutions are quite a bit harder but quite a few things look set to be trialled. -----signature----- Excellence: "You are the forum's Quick Ben." SW EU fans: John Ostrander needs your help! http://www.comix4sight.com
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Gabri_Jade Title: Fan Fiction Archive Editor Emeritus Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 12/12/08 4:23pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	ChildOfWinds posted: MsLanna : In FF we have that rule 'if you can't say something nice, shut up'. I think fanfic is a bit different though. The fanfic is written by people who aren't professionals and fanfic is free. It's good to encourage nonprofessional writers in a positive way as it's really their only "paycheck", their only reward for their hard work. But I would think that even fanfic writers would like some feedback about what the reader didn't feel worked all that well, in order to improve their future writing. In Lit, most of the readers have paid for the books and comics that they read, and the authors have been paid for their work. I think that entitles the readers to express their opinions. If you really don't like the darker, more depressing direction that the publisher has been moving in for the past nearly ten years, how can you say only nice things? And if only those who like everything they read is allowed to post on a discussion board, how much of a discussion are you going to have and how authentic is it going to be? I think this difference deserves to be emphasized. That's definitely an area wherein Lit and FanFic differ, but neither is inherently "wrong". (Myself, I think that FanFic rule has some downsides, including what CoW said about concrit being helpful, but that's irrelevant here.) There's a big difference between not being allowed to say something negative about a story written by an amateur for fun and not being allowed to express your honest dissatisfaction with something you paid for. Besides which, FanFic is hardly devoid of negativity. We don't criticize each other's stories, no, but I've seen plenty of people complaining about or expressing indifference toward the profic in Resource. I've even seen a lot of complaints about profic in responses to stories. I myself once had to ask a reviewer to please not insult the professional authors as a way of complimenting me. Lit undoubtedly has areas that could use tweaking, but FanFic's no angel in this area either. -----signature----- Evil Twin of LadyPadme This concept of "wuv" confuses and infuriates us! - Futurama All I can do is be me. Whoever that is. - Bob Dylan Serendipity (Leia-Mara vig) - http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/30178069 !!11!1eleventy
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 12/12/08 4:32pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread) - Date Edited: 12/12/08 4:33pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	I could see where the Shysa thing could throw some people off- he's one of the first named Mandalorian characters beyond Boba Fett from 25+ years ago, so he's significant but yet not well known due to limited modern exposure. And O66 went up against one of the most fan-acclaimed pieces of EU reference source storytelling in probably forever, so it was bound to cause a lot of controversy. Hard to say it wasn't appropriate to the thread though- any discussion about KT's books, especially the RC series, is guarenteed to have a great amount of discussion of the greater Mandalorian mythos. -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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Dingo Title: JCC Manager Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 12/12/08 5:56pm Subject: RE: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread) - Date Edited: 12/12/08 6:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dingo
	Grab a coffee and kick up your feet. I'm responding to one direct quote, but after that to make life easier (for me) I'm not. Trip posted: Dingo posted: And it is encouraging to see a lot of people wading in, and while not greatly appreciated, to see the exhibition of some of the behaviours that have been talked about so that it's out there. Are you talking about Havac? Lex? Me? What behaviors specifically are you referring to? All parties involved are equally guilty in this, it should be noted, including myself; it's always "some posters", even when the connotations are positive. Like I said, it's understandable, given the nature of this site and etiquette in general, but it's not at all conducive to productive discussion. Honestly, all of the above and a little more. Lex came in rather strongly and shifted a large amount of the blame for what he sees onto a particular section of users. Now, rightly or wrongly (and I'm not saying he's wrong, but he's not completely right either) in regards to his view, the nature of the presentation leads to a certain amount of "getting the backs up" of people with an opposing viewpoint. Havac's response is just the same. In a medium that is for the most part tone neutral in delivery, a lot of what is taken from the text people read is their own view, but also based off subtler cues. With Havac's immediate response in that the syntax and pacing used, it implies a sharper, more hostile attitude. Add in the quick-fired, possibly sarcastic, or even caustic, riposte of yours and you get what can look like a case of people making sniping comments and taking jabs at each other. It's how this appears to people who are browsing or casual forum-goers that is one of the roots of the negative posting habits that I personally have brought up on more than just this occasion. And given that we all post in a forum regarding writing, it's fair enough to say that most of us know enough about sentence structure, etc to be able to take an extra few seconds/minutes to think about the wording we choose to make the way we engage in discourse of a higher standard. In regards to the suggestion about a private forum for discussion of these issues, it has its own pros and cons. The pros can been seen by looking at the Lit Poll forum where specific topics can be broken down into smaller discussion without interfering with larger ones, and also giving a chance for in depth discussion. But one thing that privatisation of this conversation does is limit the views to those that are specifically selected, without the chance for persons with outside views to read and find something worthwhile to contribute. It also means that those who have left Lit for one reason or another but stayed on the JC might not get the chance to see what is being discussed and at least air what left them to stop using the Lit forum, and possibly having the chance to look at and rectify the issue in some cases. This has been gone over previously in the thread and hopefully fully understood, but I want to say it again as one of the people that brought this discussion up, and that none of this has been about “negative” opinions at all. The whole issue I’ve had is with negative/detrimental posting habits that prevent/discourage/halt productive discourse between fellow forum goers. I have opinions on some material that isn’t favourable and would most certainly like to be able to state or discuss that when wanted, but I don’t want to have great avenues of discussion killed by the way people feel they need to express themselves. Issues around the moderators and moderating itself really tie into a lot of what is at the core of everything else. Ultimately it doesn’t matter how much the forum community itself tries to control things (more on that below), the moderating team are going to be responsible for how a forum runs purely because they are the ones that have the ability to enforce things. I’m not saying that “you all have sucked”, but it isn’t a surprise that I think the ball has been dropped. Yet I’m really encouraged by the fact that there’s the general consensus that there’s things that can be improved, and what appears to be a genuine willingness to work on that, irrespective of where difference exist on the courses of action to look at. Judgment calls are something that has cropped up often here in the discussion, and first and foremost I have to say this: don’t be afraid of them. All moderators are (or should be anyway) chosen because there is seen at the very least the potential to know how to make the right kind of decision on how things should be. Yes, oftentimes subjectiveness comes into these decisions, but that’s life. People will generally make the right call, and even if you don’t you’re only human and will make mistakes. The patrons of the forum will end up calling mods out on these mistakes, but it’s those times that help the forum as a whole set the standards for what it wants. It means all of us, mods and forum regulars alike need to recognize this, and go about any instances rationally and civilly. When it comes to the review threads I think that there needs to be a bit better policing of what the threads are about. It might seem harsh or overzealous, but the only posts that should be left in any of the review threads are reviews only. All the rest can go into other threads, most notably the thread that is actually discussing the book in question. It’s not hard to reference a specific review, and it seems a little foolish to have people talking about the same thing in multiple places. Regarding the whole “fanboy mentality” discussion line, I don’t think that what has been labeled is actually the issue. It’s about the ‘extremist’ viewpoints and those that will not accept any other stance, nor let them go ‘challenged’ at any point in time. To choose a subject that’s a little older for a specific reason, the debate surrounding Vergere is a good example. Back before the release of LotF, some people would take the stance that “Vergere was a Sith, and any other interpretation is completely and utterly stupid”. Now, irrespective of the way things were revealed further down the line, people would go storming into any and every thread that dealt with Vergere and not let anyone make a point without responding to it in a fashion that boiled down to “you are wrong” and stifled any discussion. As I said, it didn’t matter that this was what it ended up being; there were more than a few viable stances to take that lead to great discussions when done correctly. A more modern example would be that “LucasBooks is deliberately trying to sabotage the SW universe by intentionally making substandard products”, something that is beyond stupid and has no place anywhere. With respect to the issue of criticism aimed at authors on their work and viewpoints, I think that in the end it boils down to simple appropriateness, both in where things are discussed as well as how it is presented. Discussion of the book automatically invites people to talk about whether they have conveyed ideas well through the writing, have gotten characterisations right, chose the right themes and path for the plot to take, or have managed to pace a book correctly. There’s nothing wrong with having a view on these that’s either positive or negative, but it’s all about the delivery of such opinions. Saying “the writing was pitiful and my 5 year old nephew could have done better” is for better or worse an insult against the author, and it comes down to not just the moderators doing what they can to moderate the discussion but also everyone trying to actually get a point across without sinking to the lowest common denominator. Basically we shouldn’t be trying to hide insults and slights behind the term “constructive criticism” but instead taking the extra time to actually make a valid point. In terms of appropriateness of venue for discussion, again it’s a case of not letting things slide due to a case of ‘sleight of hand’. For example, just because there is a discussion on the Sith as at the point of time around the prequel movies it doesn’t mean it’s okay for someone to come in and post something along the lines of “what does it matter, Karpyshyn has destroyed the backstory of the Sith anyway”. The fun that is continuity discussion. I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with discussing continuity, or that there’s something inherently defective with people who spend hours pouring over every little facet of what is written to try and fit it all into an overall whole. It’s not my cup of tea, but then I’m sure things I like aren’t what others like. What I think needs to be remembered when it comes to anything related to continuity is that people generally fall into one of two broad categories: ‘casual’ continuity fans, or ‘exacting’ continuity fans (‘junkies’ for use of a more common term). Both have different standards of what is acceptable in that the ‘casual’ fans only care that the broad things match and you don’t have two stories that have Han and Leia being married for the first time about 4 years apart, but don’t get overly excited over a slight alteration of a character’s backstory if it was just a throw-away line in a different media or if different sourcebooks refer to different lengths for a SSD. Whereas the ‘junkies’ care about it all, and how it all fits and have over the years done some wonderful contortion acts to make it all a complete whole. We all know this, just as we know that the discussions that are of interest to one aren’t always of interest to the other, and that some of the exchanges over continuity can be off-putting to some people. Just as it seems a consensus has been reached that a little bit of continuity discussion in a book release thread isn’t bad until it overwhelms the discussion, I think it also needs to be seen that sometimes the same can happen with the threads that are on the front page of the forum. While a lot of us end up looking at the forum with about 50 threads per page, the default is 15 and for some people if they see that there’s half the page covered in topics that are inherently continuity based in their intent it can also be off-putting to someone wanting to come in. Thus consolidation of some of those threads should be watched for, just as it is done for multiple threads on the same character, book or any other topic. There’s been a bit of an exchange about what constitutes an ‘outsider’ view of the forum, and how much weight it should be given over those of people who are in there all the time. It is important for the context of what forms a person’s opinion to be taken into account in a discussion like this, but it shouldn’t be examined in just a single context. Yes, the views of people who aren’t regular posters in a forum shouldn’t be used over the exclusion of those that are currently using the forum, but at the same time a forum isn’t just there to cater to the people that are already posting. It also has to be inviting to those that come looking and hopefully entice them to start posting in the forum. At the same time because a person posts primarily in a different forum doesn’t provide just that context, as something I don’t think a lot of people recognise is that some of the people that post about SW books and comics in Fan Fiction, or in their own Fan Forces, do so because they were regular Lit forumers who no longer like the atmosphere. It doesn’t mean that their viewpoint is inherently right, but consideration does need to be given to why they no longer frequent the forum. Any discussion like this needs to weigh up both the wants and needs of the current posters with those of people who could potentially be future forum regulars, and how the forum can be made to be of an appeal to both groups. Quickly on the topic of splitting the forum, I don’t think that it is warranted, nor would it fix the issues at stake. One of the greatest appeals that Lit has always had is the fact it is a melting pot for people who favour different media and eras, and allows for interesting discussion of topics that can cross over multiple eras (eg. Vectors, or the role of the Jedi in the GFFA society as shaped by the contemporary views as time progressed). It has a greater potential to dilute down the community, and/or create multiple forums with the same problems. I’m sure that by now some people have wondered what the point of all this was since it seems that the mods have responded to a lot of the issues already with some of what MK has outlined. The point has been that none of this is as simple as a single thing that is at the core of all of the problems people see, and to give some people the appreciation of what it is that has been troubling some people. Yes a lot of it can be helped by an increased amount of moderation by the moderating team who have seemed to pledge to doing what they can on that front. But Lit has always had something to help in the past that works as well or better than that, and it has been the self-moderation of the community as a whole. I posted some things on how we can take responsibility for moderating the adverse posting styles of others in the “JC Ideas and Suggestions” thread. More than that though is a bit of self-moderating at the individual level. As talked about above, taking the extra little time to look at the things that we all post, and how they can be seen is one. Trying to not partake of bad habits in posting style is hard, but can make a difference. Something that some people have a habit of doing is taking a post by a person and quoting a line, giving a paragraph or two dissection of what was in there, move onto the next sentence, doing the same, and repeating themselves multiple times. That kind of posting comes across as nit-picking and even petty. At times it is a style that is needed for some topic types, but the impression that it gives isn’t favourable, especially when it is seen for pages. Some of those posts ban be parsed down with nearly 50% of the text removed and not a single drop of overall content taken out. Something that might be beneficial in helping to foster more of the community not just moderating itself, but also participating in working out what the forum wants for itself is bringing back the “State of the Forum” discussions. Having the mods post how they think the forum is going, where we and they are doing well, where we and they are not doing so well, and where they think things can be developed in; and then passing it over to the community to add their views on the matter and come to something of a consensus as to where the forum should be headed. Is it maybe ‘too much’ for just a messageboard, or overly formal? Yes and no. It has shown to be of great benefit in the past, and allows for everyone to help decide on where they want the community that they are a part of to go through a self review at both the forum and individual level. Edit: Formatting -----signature----- You want someone to hurt like you, You want to share what you've been through. "Yes, to Dingo you listen." - Miana Kenobi
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 12/12/08 9:43pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	Dingo posted: At the same time because a person posts primarily in a different forum doesn’t provide just that context, as something I don’t think a lot of people recognise is that some of the people that post about SW books and comics in Fan Fiction, or in their own Fan Forces, do so because they were regular Lit forumers who no longer like the atmosphere. It doesn’t mean that their viewpoint is inherently right, but consideration does need to be given to why they no longer frequent the forum. Any discussion like this needs to weigh up both the wants and needs of the current posters with those of people who could potentially be future forum regulars, and how the forum can be made to be of an appeal to both groups. I formerly posted in Resource. I no longer do because it tends to be full of speculation at best and people treating collective fanon as fact at worst rather than actual canon discussion. Plus more socialization than content. This is, I guess, appropriate to what it's there for. Yes, Lit spends a lot of time discussing how various sources fit together. That's part of what it's there for. Since it bans what-if threads, a lot of discussion along those lines has to go elsewhere. Resource would be more interesting to me if more of the discussion involved what various more obscure EU sources have to say about characters, or the challenges of trying to write in a way compliant with EU. I have no desire, however, to force that forum into my own ideal image of it.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 12/12/08 10:51pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	I have another suggestion to offer...but brace yourselves... it's pretty radical. We've talked a lot about increasing the level of moderation. But that's going to necessitate a lot more time for the current mods, and a lot more work for them. We've also talked about having the mods participate more often in threads...again that's going to take more time. We've also talked about the fact that maybe part of what some people view as a problem is caused by the demographics in Lit. We all know that Lit is composed of mainly male posters. My suggestion is to add another mod in Lit...but to have the new mod be a female, to add a "woman's touch" to the place. The problem, of course, is to find someone who would be great at the job; who is well-respected; AND would be willing to do it. I would think that Beccatoria would be great! I also think that Horsey would be wonderful, but I fear she may be too busy in EUC. Maybe Jedi Liz? Or maybe one of you knows of someone else who would be good? Is this at all possible?
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sabarte Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 12/12/08 11:04pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	I don't think the demographics in Lit are a problem, actually, and I don't really believe in biological determinism of fan interests - it's just a shorthand for a difference in attitude. I myself am part of the minority population in Lit, after all.
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Trip Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 12/12/08 11:15pm Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	sabs is a girl?! -----signature----- RIP Jacen's Crotch 1991 - 2008
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beccatoria Title: Host: 181st Imperial Discussion Group Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 12/13/08 12:50am Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread) - Date Edited: 12/13/08 12:57am (1 edits total) Edited By: beccatoria
	If the mods we have feel they need another mod then awesome; I welcome their suggestions. If they decide that they need a mod with a certain attitude, that's cool too, although I do agree with sabs; I don't think that biological determinism is a big issue. It's broadly accurate short hand perhaps, but still short hand, and as sabs notes, there is a sizable minority of female posters in Lit. (ETA: just to confirm my earlier position; I'm personally satisfied with the number of mods we have in Lit, I just have no strong feelings either way on another one). CoW - I'm very flattered by your vote of confidence in suggesting I'd be a good mod, but just to respond (and in no way trying to assume I'd ever be considered for the position!), I don't actually think I'd do a good job in that regard. My personal lines of what's acceptable (along the problems we've been discussing here) fall far further back than, say, Keralys', so I probably wouldn't be a good choice if the goal was to soften Lit's image, which again suggests it might not really be something that falls down along gender lines, but more ones of attitude. Added, of course, to the fact that the idea of being a mod scares the holy hell out of me and I'd probably flee in fear. RESPONSIBILITY NOES! -----signature----- legatus imperatoris britanniæ superior REMEMBER: X-WING: WEDGE'S GAMBLE DISCUSSION STARTS IN DECEMBER! Han's a girl, so I got a Golden Ewok.
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central = Offizieller Burger Brater Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 12/13/08 1:54am Subject: Lit discussion (continued from JC Suggestions thread)
	ChildOfWinds posted: MsLanna : In FF we have that rule 'if you can't say something nice, shut up'. Please, if you quote me, quote in context. MsLanna posted: In FF we have that rule 'if you can't say something nice, shut up'. Not meaning to implement that in Lit, I'm not stupid, I know it's impossible for Lit. Just saying that it would be nice to have Lit a bit more balanced. Few books I ever read were bad only and none of them was SW.... JediBen - Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate for me that my intertests are in things mostly dissed in Lit. Order 66 and Mando discussions are really, in my experience, best observed in fully cloaked lurk mode. You keep your head down at all times. This is one of the things that makes me waana throttle peole. Why should I get problems just for liking something that's SW? If they don't like friggin mandos or Traviss, fine, I'm don't like NJO, but I'm not clogging up discussion threads telling everybody over and over again how it sucks. Maybe putting up a pro and a contra thread for discussion would help. Me and Ron in the pro thread, everybody else in contra. Gabri_Jade - I had the best discussions about 'hot' topics in profic in FanFic. But the whole feel of it was different. There was a discussion about clones in the Over 30 Thread, i think that was downright wonderful. And not because everybody agreed, people just seemed to be more polite, less rabid about their (correct) opinions and maybe just phrased things nicer. Maybe it's easier when you write yourself to be careful with things other people wrote even if you hate them. shrug Dingo - Wow, what you said. Mostly. The problem with casual fans (that'd be me) and continuity fans is that the focus on a book is just too different. And right now, i have the feeling there's much more people focussed on continuity in Lit, which leaves litte place for me. Face it, they have little interest in plots, character development and such. But if they 'own' the thread,w here do I go? My best friend promised to read them books, but she's busy with writng a dissertation... sigh I can't remember who suggested having discussion threads hosted by users. I like the idea. -----signature----- "You will kill yourself trying to live up to their expectations." "That's okay for me." Cuyir adate jate, bal droten ori'dush Proud Master and buir'ika of Commander_Ducky. My New Title: Lords and Ladies of the Empire
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