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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 7:19pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	"I guess my eyes are untrained because I can't tell a difference... " Notice the circled area. The center of the helm is more solid and pronounced. Like the one on the voice changer I have sitting behind me. The Supreme one is soft and rounded -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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CYGA Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:02pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	It is really difficult to tell from those pictures. However, I haven't heard of any complaints of the 501 legion or any other Vader builders about it. The supreme edition Vader costume it is a good starting point. I don't believe that with 800 bucks you can get a nicer complete costume. Before I bought the costume, I went to ebay and search for the wool capes and the leather suit, and all of them were just over 700 dlls. I guess that just try to get one of these as cheap as possible, and then upgrade it overtime.
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LukeSkiewalker Title: Founder Heart of the Alliance KC, MO FF Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 11:01pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	"It is really difficult to tell from those pictures." I'm glad it's not just me. The second pic is showing up too dark for me to see the detail. -----signature----- Member of the Rebel Legion -- Dantooine Base XO http://www.RebelLegion.org http://www.StarWarsKC.com My Jedi page: http://www.MrJedi.com
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Rogan_Agar Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/7/05 2:11am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Take a close look! You must see the difference. It is too obvious. First of all the Rubies helmet looks much more like a TESB and ROTJ style helmet, it does not have the 'young' look of the ROTS helmet. Second, take a look at the armour. The chestbox, the belt. It is right there! Can't you see the differences? -----signature----- SL-1059 --- 501st Legion --- German Garrison --- Western Squad "... You were the Chosen One!" Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/7/05 6:30am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Here ya go. This is the Rubies helmet. Not sure how this guy can "copyright" a photo that isn't his, so mod, don't edit this please. compare it to the photo I posted above. The center part of the helmet is too soft in this one. -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/7/05 6:32am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	CY, so you purchased the Supreme? I must have missed that somewhere. I think I'm just going to get it and then upgrade the helmet and reinforce the armor and get it repainted to shine more. If anything, I have something that I can just keep and appreciate in value and eventually get the money for a really nice one. Overall you like the outfit though right. -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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Rogan_Agar Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/7/05 7:25am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/7/05 7:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogan_Agar
	That's a great picture "SSIntimidator" and here a similar take of the screen used version: Now you should see the differences! Here my fan-made ROTJ style helmet: Note: The OT Vader helmets were not symetrical. And if you stand in front of a mirror you will notice the asymetry But this is the style of the OT helmets, and I am sure every Vader fan loves them. Note also, that Ot helmets have a two color paint scheme, whereas ROTS helmets are completely black. The two-color paint scheme was used to lower the reflection, so that the cameras would not be visible. -----signature----- SL-1059 --- 501st Legion --- German Garrison --- Western Squad "... You were the Chosen One!" Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/7/05 7:49am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	thanks for the pics Rogan. The first one is the ROTS helmet correct? Part of me likes the softer line in your photo, but i'm so used to it being pronouced and squared that I don't think I could wear the rubies one. Course I don't have it in my hands yet so who knows, I may change my mind! -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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Rogan_Agar Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/7/05 8:15am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Yes, it is the official ROTS screen used helmet. The MR will look exactly like that. About my helmet: My camera sucks afraidly, so the soft dome detailing is not that soft at all. It is slightly softer than in the original versions. But I had to make a compromise. I wanted the dome from ROTJ (which is much bigger than the one from TESB), so I chose this helmet. It is made of Fiberglass and cost $ 650 USD, but every single cent was worth it -----signature----- SL-1059 --- 501st Legion --- German Garrison --- Western Squad "... You were the Chosen One!" Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS
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KevVader Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/7/05 1:29pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/7/05 1:32pm (2 edits total) Edited By: KevVader
	....don't get me wrong, it's a nice bucket.....the dome ridge is more rounded than other casts which have sharper lines.....still a very nice helmet... I like the ROTS, but there is something about it that doesn't look quite right to me....I think they shaved too much of the sides of the facemask or something.....the face looks a little "emaciated"...Vader on a diet ....I like the fuller faced look of the OT helmets better...
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/7/05 1:41pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	It does look thinner, but I attribute that to Hayden's frame. I just want a really nice helm, maybe a little off center like the old school ones -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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Darth-nefilim Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/7/05 2:35pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/7/05 5:56pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Sister_Sola
	Ahem... First of all I would would to respond to TC517's comments in regards to my previous post. I work in the mold making and casting buisness, and make molds of everything from buttons, to toys, to Batman cowls on a daily basis, and if anyone knows how inexpensive this process can be it is I. For example, I recently molded a set of Vader chest armour with some urethane rubber mold compound we call Brush on 35, and cast it in fiberglass. You know how much I spent on these materials? NOT EVEN A HUNDRED DOLLARS! I was recently approched by an 87 year old man about cloning a part of his hearing aid that was prone to constant breaking by his fellow peers. With not even 10$ worth of materials per part, he is now selling a superior, stronger version of that same part with our materials for nearly ten times the cost he is putting into that part! I sell a 1989 Keaton Batman cowl every once in a while for about 300$ You know you know how much I spend in materials? not even 12$! The process I spoke of about upgrading the Rubies suit with fiberglass and lining the cape, and building a pleather suit could be done for barely over a hundred dollars. A gallon of fiberglass resin which could upgrade about five to six rubies chest armours would only cost about 30$(If you go to a fiberglass dealer rather than Lowes or Wal Mart). It is part of my daily routine to show people(buisness owners to hobbyists) that they can create ANYTHING and protect their income at the same time.(sorry Sister Sola, I'm trying to keep my nerves from getting frazzled!) S_S edit: understandable Darth, but we don't need to flame others just because our nerves are frazzled. I would be permabanned if I said what I really feel some of the time on this board.[/S_S] I agree with SSintimidator, this debate over the Rubies suit is not an attempt to force the 501st to let the suit in, but rather to point out their hypocrisy considering some of the crap that is seen in their members section. In regards to whether or not the suit is really cast from the ROTS molds, this is the deal: The armour pieces are cast from the ROTS molds. The helmet is not. The official photo provided by Rubies is a photoshoped picture to make it seem more symmetrical like the ROTS helmet. If you go to starwarshelmets.com you will see an unaltered photo, and all of the same imperfections that plaughed the Don post classic action helmet such as the right side neck flair. I recently purchased the rubies helmet for curiosity sake, and judging on how warped the helmet is, it is obvious that it is cast from the Empire Strikes Back molds like the Don Post version. So if you were to buy the entire Supreme edition costume, you have a ROTS body, and an ESB head. If you want to completely look like the ROTS version, then wait for the master replicas helmet to come out later this year. If you want to look completely like the classic trilogy version, then buy the Rubies helmet and collect all the fan made pieces on ebay. Either way you will spend around $2000 for an "accurate" suit.(but everyone says, no one can be 100% accurate.) It really sucks how the whole point of the 501st was for fans to come together in harmony, and is now practicaly turning into a fan-boy cival war over this costume. Who should we say "damn you!" to? Rubies for making the costume in the first place? The 501st for becoming hypocritical snobs? Or good ol George Lucas for creating the character in the first place? Who cares? Darth Vader is still the coolest badass in movie history!! I still get mobbed in my Vader suit whether it's accurate or not, or whether I'm part of some silly fan club or not. S_S edit: removed flaming comments.
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Rogan_Agar Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/7/05 3:01pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Agreed. It all depends on how you feel with any suite you want. You can feel like a king with a Rubies suite. So if anyone is planning to get one, go ahead! And if you want to make it more accurate, well some customising can make it look really good. -----signature----- SL-1059 --- 501st Legion --- German Garrison --- Western Squad "... You were the Chosen One!" Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS
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TC517 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 6/7/05 3:07pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/7/05 5:57pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Sister_Sola
	I could respond, but I don't want a ban myself... and this is a GREAT thread that I'd hate to get locked. I stand by my position and agree with Rogan_Agar, "if you want to make it more accurate, well some customising can make it look really good." No animosity among friends and fans... EDIT: I should use spell check. -----signature----- Post Responsibly™ "All Hail Wilhelmus!!!!!!" 501st Legion \|-o-\| TK9063 \|-o-\| Don't blame ME: I voted for Dustin.
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Dekion2005 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/7/05 4:20pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Well, i receive my new rubies costume, i try to comment any aspects of the costume, but my english is bad, i review it in spanish, i think maybe any user can translate very well to english. Lo primero que nos encontramos es una caja verdaderamente GRANDE!, eso si muy bien detalla a todo color, con imagenes muy impresionantes de Darth Vader. Una vez abierta viene la primera desilusion, el casco no viene en la caja de carton a modo de vitrina que si incluye el "supreme helmet", en este caso, viene embuelta en un papel no muy fino por cierto. Lo primero es observar el "cod piece", se nota que ha sido fabricado muy rapido, en los bordes se notan algunos pliegues y aunque parezca raro el pegamento todavia esta "fresco" (te pringa las manos), de modo que requiere una limpieza general de la pieza. respecto a los guantes, no son la version que se venden sueltos, pero esteticamente quedan muy bien. encontramos las piezas electronicas, el cinturon y el "chest box", cumplen perfectamente su cometido y se iluminan. respecto al traje principal, alguien habia comentado que era de plastico malo, en mi caso, ciertamente no es piel autentica (gracias a dios) pero tampoco es plastico barato, no es nada del otro mundo, pero tiene pinta de ser bastante resistente. Respecto a la capa interna, decir que es tela realemnte fina, pero miendiendo 1,75 m (sin zapatos) queda a la perfeccion. respecto a al capa externa no puedo decir lo mismo, es un poco mas pesada y bien terminada, pero midiendo 1,75 m sin zapatos sobra mucha capa, aproximadamente 50 cm, de modo que es casi seguro que todo el mundo tenga que retocarla y cortarla a medida (por la cantidad de capa que sobra, parece que la idea de rubies era que cada cual se la cortara a su medida). Tambien encontramos "chest and shoulders armor", en esta caso no esta muy bien embalada, ya que al estar "suelta" dentro de la caja todo el peso cae hacia uno de los lados, deformando el hombro (en mi caso deformo el hombro derecho, tube que enderezar las juntas a mano), la pintura no es ninguna maravilla, y le falta un poco de brillo, pero a media distancia estos pequeños defectos son inapreciables, por aqui habia leido que era plastico muy fino, bin, no es fiberglass, pero tampoco es que sea fino presiamente, cumple muy bien su funcion, la parte negativa es que no lleva ningun tipo de ajuste de "grosor", gente que es delgada como yo lo que ocurre es que al ponerte la capa esta empuja la armadura hacia delante y la parte frontal se levanta hacia arriba, no estaria mal que hubieran puesto un poco de velcro entre la parte frontal de la armadura y el traje para evitar que se levantara. El caso esta bastante bien coseguido, sobre todo si partis del casco que tenia yo, un don Post estandar, pero eso si , el de Rubies sigue pecando de lo mismo, la parte posterior del "dome" es demasiado corta, dejando espuesta la nuca (neck), tambien observe que el casco presentaba las tipicas rallas de roces con otros componentes, solo apreciables muy de cerca claro. Respecto a las "shins guards" bastante bien conseguidas, y si tenes un aaltura como yo (1,75 m) quedan perfectas. En resumen decir que para usuarios avanzados, tiene ciertos fallos sobre todo de fabricacion,pero os aseguro que para gente menso exigente (que no busque una REPLICA del traje original) es mucho ams que suficiente, todos , y digo TODOS mis amigos y familiares se han quedado MUY IMPRESIONADOS con la calidad del traje, en un principio, al enseñarles fotos, no creian que fuera yo, si no mas bien algun actor de Lucasfilm, hasta que les enseñe otras fotos sin el casco.Auqneu repito, para gente que busque calidad en materiales, este traje de rubies no es la mejor opcion, el casco tampoco se asemeja al visto en ROTS (tiene el "dome" demasiado corto, se ve la nuca). Eso si, con unso cuantos retoques, una manita de pintura, un poquito mas de efecto "gloss", un recorte a media de la capa externa, y alguna cosillas mas, puedo decir qeu el traje de RUBIES tiene una EXCELENTE relacion CALIDAD-PRECIO. Ahora bien, para quien no teng alimite de presupuesto €€€€ (or $$$), seguro que hay otras opciones de mucha mas calidad y "better movie accurate". Lo que si he observado, es que llevar el traje por un periodo prolongado es casi imposible, la temperatura es muy muy elevada, tanto dentro del traje como en el interior del casco. Creo que no me dejo nada por comentar, dispongo de varias fotos y algun video con el traje, por si estais interesados en verlos, tendreis que decirme como puedo postear imagenes en el foro o videos. Gracias y un saludo.
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