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degamad Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 6/5/05 8:54pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	I'm pretty new here and have just started thinking about putting together a costume, and it wont be vader, not because I dont like it, I think vader is kick ass looking, but because I think that only certian people look good in vader, I'm 5'9 and have a gut, a short fat vader doesnt look good! lol no matter who made it so in the opinion of a non vader expert in anyway: I think the rubies vader looks pretty nice, if I seen someone walking around in one I'd say "wow sweet look at vader thats cool" and thats probably what the people in the vader costumes rubies and custom are hoping to hear. are the custom made ones people have spent 2-3 grand on or more better? probably and if you have the time and money to put into it then great more power to ya. but if ya want a nice vader and dont have the time and money I say rubies is no slouch. in my non expert opnion
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Darkmood Title: Former RMFF Chapter Rep Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/5/05 8:57pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Also, as of late the 501st has been cleaning out their Sith Lords section removing those that aren't up to par. And they never said you couldn't get in with a modded suit. Merely that it wouldn't be accepted as is. Which I see nothing wrong with in my opinion. -----signature----- RMFF Angel "Mark my words...Your uppance will come!" Officially going "ZOO" on you since 02/16/2006 Mountain Garrison Membership Officer Have you seen my mommy? http://boards.theforce.net/ASP/user.asp?usr=723280
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KevVader Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/5/05 9:04pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	I've also read this post with great interest....and I gotta add my 2 cents... First off, I'm an avid Vader costumer, but I'm not a member of the 501st (yet, anyway)....and I think it's a little premature to ban the Rubies outfit...but that's just my opinion. I remember when the DP CA first came out and it was similar in quality to the current Rubies Supreme Deluxe (or whatever they call it!), and I thought the CA looked pretty crappy when compared to the Deluxe....now the CAs are fetching $500 and up on ebay....who knew? I think the Supreme could be made to look good as the CA has been. However, I do have to rebuke Obi-Good when he says that there are no "movie accurate" Vader costumes out there. In fact, there are quite a few..... helmets, armor and other components built by skilled prop makers based on original prop dimensions, materials, etc....which have been painstakingly reproduced, and in many cases far better constructed than the originals! If you saw them in person, you'd swear Vader has just stepped off the Executor!! Point is that there are many reproductions out there of varying quality....build them, buy them...and enjoy them! If the 501st rejects the Rubies costume....so what!! You don't need their validation to enjoy being Vader! Wear it on Halloween, display it in your house...enjoy it!
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Darth_Larsen Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 6/5/05 9:12pm Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	exactly what KevVader said. with work it could prolly be a kick ass vader. just dont knock us that try to get as close as we can. if you want in. buy the suit and mod it until it looks right..then see what you replaced. and see what is left untouched. -----signature----- \|-o-\| {-o-} \|-o-\| Josh "Darth Larsen " SL/TK432 http://www.mg501.com http://www.DarthLarsen.com http://www.501stSithLords.com/
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Rogan_Agar Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/6/05 1:35am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/6/05 2:34am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rogan_Agar
	I agree with you two. There will never be an 100 % accurate Vader, but some have reached the 99 % -----signature----- SL-1059 --- 501st Legion --- German Garrison --- Western Squad "... You were the Chosen One!" Obi-Wan Kenobi ROTS
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Darth_Konikus Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 6/6/05 4:43am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	To be honest, not a lot of people care what the 501st think. I certainly dont. My costume isnt movie accurate but even if it was, I wouldnt want to join the 501st purely because of how snobby the members are. You guys have some serious growing up to do! And yes, it does sound like sour grapes to me. The Rubies costume when examined closley, may not be the best quality but when you stand back and look at it, it is (unfortunately for the 501st)pretty accurate to ROTS. I've now seen the film about 20 times and I must say, Rubies have done a good job. The only thing I would do is spray the armour and helmet. People have to remember that this costume is from ROTS, not ANH, ESB or ROTJ. -----signature----- And in a rare double whammy decision, the court finds that polygamy IS constitutional! http://www.matthewsmallphoto.co.uk http://www.myspace.com/sir_beaklington_chop
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Darkmood Title: Former RMFF Chapter Rep Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 6/6/05 7:01am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	So it is accurate to the ROTS costume? Maybe it could be accurate if you changed the helmet, the gloves, the shoulder armor, the bodysuit, the boxes, the boots and the shin guards. But by the time that is all done you'll have a totally new costume. I mean for a good helmet you're talking: $700-$800. A good accurate leather bodysuit: $650-$1000. New shoulder armor: $300. New boots: $50-$350. New boxes that actually light up: $150-$400. New shin guards: $75-$150. New gloves: $50-$100. GOOD Vader voice-changer: $400. Having a movie-accurate costume that is actually movie-accurate: Priceless. And on another note about the 501st being snobs: Yeah everybody has their own problems and not everyone is going to like everybody else. But what fan group doesn't? You don't like us. I'm not sure why you don't, but I can say that we are a very good group. And there are over 3000 members that agree, not to mention all the charities we help out. Are you really going to diss on a group whose members take days off from work to go to a Children's Hospital? A group that to do this will put aside their differences to bring joy to a child's face? If you have a valid reason I can understand but if it's just because of the whole Rubies Vader thing, I can't. The RL doesn't accept the Rubies jedi outfits. Why attack us because we won't accept the Rubies Vader? -----signature----- RMFF Angel "Mark my words...Your uppance will come!" Officially going "ZOO" on you since 02/16/2006 Mountain Garrison Membership Officer Have you seen my mommy? http://boards.theforce.net/ASP/user.asp?usr=723280
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:08am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/6/05 9:26am (6 edits total) Edited By: SSIntimidator
	They allowed this over the Supreme suit? Are you f;ing kidding me? http://www.501st.com/memberdata/05/44/sl0544_full.jpg And another. http://www.501stsithlords.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=17&pos=3 Is the chest box actually silver??? By far the worst one I've seen on any 501st website: http://www.501stsithlords.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=7&pos=1 And yet the Supreme is a bad suit. Here's an AT-AT pilot. http://www.501st.com/members/displaymember.cfm?userID=1127&costumeID=5 That helmet is huge!!!!!! -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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TC517 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:33am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/6/05 9:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: TC517
	Puntos para ti, SSIntimidator.... that first costume is very bad. Judging by his ID # though, it is possible that he joined very early on in the life of the legion and they were a little more lax. Things like that make me embarrassed to be a 501st member. The second link you showed is a bit different. Look Here , notice that there are many parts of his costume that are silver.... he is going for a non-cannon costume which are allowed according to the 501st charter, but can not take part in many events. The last 2 links are pictures of bad costumes, but they have other costumes and all the others look great. In this case, they weren't excepted into the legion based on thier bad outfits. "And yet the Supreme is a bad suit." Yes. EDIT: You keep adding more. -----signature----- Post Responsibly™ "All Hail Wilhelmus!!!!!!" 501st Legion \|-o-\| TK9063 \|-o-\| Don't blame ME: I voted for Dustin.
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LukeSkiewalker Title: Founder Heart of the Alliance KC, MO FF Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:35am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/6/05 9:39am (1 edits total) Edited By: LukeSkiewalker
	"The RL doesn't accept the Rubies jedi outfits. Why attack us because we won't accept the Rubies Vader?" I think this is a valid point. However, you should keep in mind that one is less than $100 (jedi) and the other is $600-$1000+ (vader). Don't get me wrong I agree that fan-made costumes are great. But the Vader costume is much more accurate than a Rubies Jedi. This, to a certain degree, just shows you get what you pay for. The cost you pay for the vader vs the jedi gets you a better costume by far. I think that one thing people are forgetting when they look at the Rubies costume is how critical us costumers can be. My own costume isn't perfect and I am continually finding ways to try to improve it. The next thing I am going to do is do a complete rework with different fabric. When I a at an event I can be very critical of some of the other Jedi costumes. I would never say anything too them or really to anyone else. But I am thinking it. I think the same thing probably applies to Vaders. A person who has spent X amount of dollars and X amount of time researching and building their costume is going to notice the flaws. Beleive it or not I know where you are coming from in this regard. I have spent as much on my Jedi costume as some of you have spent on your vaders ( I will never say exactly how much though). But that was my choice. Do I have a problem with people who spent a 1/4 of what I spent? Not at all. I guarantee they have just as much fun as I do at the end of the day. More than anything that is what's important. We join the 501st and the RL to have fun. And if a costumer is able to have fun without joining then good for him or her! I think this debate may have gone a little far and is starting to get silly. I can sum up this thread by the following: Those who have a Vader costume already say the Rubies needs to be heavily modded to look good. Out of the people who don't have a vader already, 90% think this costume is worthwhile even if it means they can't join the 501st with it. EDIT: Hint~I think those of you above who are posting those links need to re-read the first page. -----signature----- Member of the Rebel Legion -- Dantooine Base XO http://www.RebelLegion.org http://www.StarWarsKC.com My Jedi page: http://www.MrJedi.com
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:43am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	TC517 -- I have no idea what Puntos para ti means, sorry. If it was up to me I'd remove those crappy Vader suits from the site period. They can have as many good trooper suits, or whatever, they want, but putting those things up there make it seem pretty ridiculous to ban the Supreme suit. Every picture I've seen of it looks better than the four I posted. And yes I keep editing, I keep finding more examples of bad work that's allowed to pass through. The 501st needs to understand there are people out there who cannot afford to make all thos mods, or are simply not good at it. There are people who want to join the group to take part in the charity events and such, and to say their suit is not allowed but that fat guy in the first one is makes no sense to me at all. It sounds like some elitist country club that needs a good overhaul. Don't sit there and tell us the Supreme outfit isn't allowed yet some of this junk is. -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:48am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Does anyone in this thread actually own the Supreme suit? Posts on the rpf.com forum tended to lean to the "it's a good suit with minor needs" and not the it sucks we see here. The main thing I see here is people blacklisting the suit since it's rubies without having seen it before. It is possible for companies to get better with time, although the Chewie one does look really really bad. -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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TC517 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:50am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	Puntos para ti means points for you. "Don't sit there and tell us the Supreme outfit isn't allowed yet some of this junk is." I am gonna sit here, but I think LukeSkiewalker is right.... disscussion is over. This has turned into a anti/pro 501st thread. -----signature----- Post Responsibly™ "All Hail Wilhelmus!!!!!!" 501st Legion \|-o-\| TK9063 \|-o-\| Don't blame ME: I voted for Dustin.
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SSIntimidator Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/6/05 9:58am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume - Date Edited: 6/6/05 10:07am (1 edits total) Edited By: SSIntimidator
	Ah, perhaps I should have paid more attention back in high school I'm not anti anything. I don't care one way or the other, but I can't be the only one who sees the hypocrasy here. But as someone who was considering the suit and would like a quality Vader suit to own, what would be the things wrong with this outfit that I need to upgrade. And as someone who SUCKS at costuming you'll need to dumb it down EDIT: I didn't mean "you" don't sit there... It was more directed at people who allow junk in over at least a somewhat respectable looking piece. -----signature----- So Broccoli Mother says you're good for me. Well, I'm afraid I'm no good for you - Stewie. Is that pie I smell? No, it's the smell of my daddy dying! - Kids In The Hall "You want us to order 66? Order 66 of what?" - Matt Sloan (Plo Koon)
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TC517 Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 6/6/05 10:11am Subject: RE: Darth Vader Supreme Costume
	First, you need to ask a few things... 1. Do you want to wear this costume casually and for fun? 2. Would you like to be part of offcial lucasfilm things? 3. How much are you willing to spend? (this is the biggest thing) 4. Do you have the body type? size, weight, how tall are you? If you want to wear this just for fun, around the house, Holloween... then doing a Vader is no problem (Rubies or otherwise). If you are planning on doing official things... Lucasfilm events, Celebration IV, etc., keep in mind that you will be competing with other Vaders.... VERY GOOD and expensive (sometimes obsessive) Vaders who will get the spot. For most events there can only be one Vader, just like there will only be one Boba etc. If you are too short, too fat, or otherwise not perfect, you will often be passed over. At a recent Pepsi event, they demanded there only be one of each "face" costume... that means the other Vaders were out of luck. I guess you have to decide how bad you want to be Vader. To me, it kinda seems it has to be all or nothing for this outfit. You might consider being something else.... for the prices other people in the thread have mentioned, you can get a set of trooper armor and never be left out. From what other people have said... you will end up replacing/repainting just about everything to make this work. -----signature----- Post Responsibly™ "All Hail Wilhelmus!!!!!!" 501st Legion \|-o-\| TK9063 \|-o-\| Don't blame ME: I voted for Dustin.
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