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DOMNUSKYWALKER
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The sintra is pretty cheep, and realy easy to use. You might try that first. Very cool costume idea. I love Legacy.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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DOMNUSKYWALKER posted:
The sintra is pretty cheep, and realy easy to use. You might try that first. Very cool costume idea. I love Legacy.
It actually has nothing to do with Legacy or Imperial Knights at all, it was more inspired by the Kir Kanos Armor than anything, but it is a completely Original Idea other than that.
Also, I'll go the Sintra Route, but, since I probably won't finish it by Halloween, I will be using this costume, which is based on the Luke Skywalker/Clone Emperor Dark Empire Costume, but with a more Kev-Mas Colcha type feel to it:
Most likely, I will use Darth Vader Armor (with the Belt Modified) all except for the Torso Armor and the Helmet, and then a custom sewn Red Jacket and Cape. Would a cheap Vader Costume (the ones for under $100) do the trick for this?
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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I'm reposting images due to my host being down.
Here's the original costume plan, the one using Armor.
And here's the new costume plan (at least for this Halloween), without armor.
I will be buying the various Darth Vader Costume Pieces that this costume uses on ebay (belt blank, buckle, codpiece, gloves, and maybe jumpsuit), and then I will be having my mother sew the red elbow-length sleeve jacket, red cape, and the Jumpsuit if I don't buy that on ebay due to budget. Also, since I am blonde, and my character has black hair, I will be using spray on black hair dye, or a wig. I could probably get away with the dye as I have the same hairstyle essentially. I have a backup plan for if the lightsabers can't be made by Halloween, and that is (god forbid, but its just for one day), toy sabers.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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Well, its been a while, and I still haven't made any costume, and I was thinking of attempting my latest version of the armored costume.
So, basically, I now see how I can go at this too. Vaccuforming now looks like the easiest option for the armor, as all I'd have to do is make molds of the contours, except for the bracers, which will be done using a more complex mold. In fact, I'm not sure how I'd do the bracers so I'd be able to put them on even. For under the armor, there would be a simple dark gray slightly tight-fitting shirt, with the same rippled texture as the Darth Vader Undersuit. The legs would be dark gray Jedi-type slacks, and there would be and tabard/obi as well. The tabard would be black cotton with red edges, and the obi just plain black cotton, as it would be hidden by the belt. The belt, would be a thicker black leather strip with a smaller black strip on it, which would contain the red vinyl pouches, and the buckle, which would be a Darth Vader type buckle painted red.
Gah, I know it sounds like I'm rambling, and this will probably never get done, but I need some help.
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navarre1095
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Most of what you are showing us would require little if any vacu-forming. A big plus for Sintra is that it can be shaped with boiling water. Those pauldrons (shoulder bells) look like they may be cut from a very large PVC 90* elbow. If not that, try a toy helmet.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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navarre1095 posted:
Most of what you are showing us would require little if any vacu-forming. A big plus for Sintra is that it can be shaped with boiling water. Those pauldrons (shoulder bells) look like they may be cut from a very large PVC 90* elbow. If not that, try a toy helmet.
Ooh. Cool, I didn't know that!
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navarre1095
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Look here
http://boards.theforce.net/costuming_and_props/b10019/23240885/p1/?11
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Miana Kenobi
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PLEASE don't use cotton for the cape.  I really don't know what to reccomend, but not cotton. If you want something with a nice swoosh to it, pay the extra dollars and get a nice fabric. Cotton is a great fabric, but just screams "I'm cheap and didn't want to put more effort into this."
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navarre1095
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If you want to be totally green with envy look here
http://www.paralada.org/Estonia_self/Estonia_htm/SWgeekhtm/IK_Ganner_Krieg/index.htm
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The other nice thing about Sintra is that if you mess up on the molding part, you can heat up it up and reform it again. I have heard that the other plastcis like ABS and HIPS aren't as forgiving. Once they are molded, that's it, they're set for life. From the research I have come up with, Sintra is more forgiving in that aspect for the newcomer to vacuumforming.
As far as the bracers are concerned, there is a guy in the Spec_Ops detachment of the 501st who has made them. I'll see if I can dig up the tutorial that he sent me for you.
Actually, PM me your email address and I will forward the tutorial document to you!
And it was previously suggested that you hit up a renassiance site for boots. I would suggest perusing through the boots that www.911costumes has to offer as well as www.allthingsrenaissance.com
Either of these sites may have something that you are looking for. I believe those Superman boots that someone posted are one such boot that 911costumes carries.
Moderators: I don't think mentioning either of these sites is a violation of forum rules, but if it is please delete as needed. I can always send these websites via PM. Thanks!
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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AramysStrael posted:
The other nice thing about Sintra is that if you mess up on the molding part, you can heat up it up and reform it again. I have heard that the other plastcis like ABS and HIPS aren't as forgiving. Once they are molded, that's it, they're set for life. From the research I have come up with, Sintra is more forgiving in that aspect for the newcomer to vacuumforming.
As far as the bracers are concerned, there is a guy in the Spec_Ops detachment of the 501st who has made them. I'll see if I can dig up the tutorial that he sent me for you.
Actually, PM me your email address and I will forward the tutorial document to you!
And it was previously suggested that you hit up a renassiance site for boots. I would suggest perusing through the boots that www.911costumes has to offer as well as www.allthingsrenaissance.com
Either of these sites may have something that you are looking for. I believe those Superman boots that someone posted are one such boot that 911costumes carries.
Moderators: I don't think mentioning either of these sites is a violation of forum rules, but if it is please delete as needed. I can always send these websites via PM. Thanks!
- Bill
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Yeah, I found a black variant on those superman boots for the newer version of the costume, which are from buycostumes.com. PM is on its way. Thanks.
navarre1095 posted:
If you want to be totally green with envy look here
http://www.paralada.org/Estonia_self/Estonia_htm/SWgeekhtm/IK_Ganner_Krieg/index.htm
I've seen it, but it really didn't do anything for me, as I am not doing Imperial Knight Armor. It could be considered a Galactic Civil War version of it though. Its awesome as usual The_Clone_Emperor work though.
Miana Kenobi posted:
PLEASE don't use cotton for the cape. I really don't know what to reccomend, but not cotton. If you want something with a nice swoosh to it, pay the extra dollars and get a nice fabric. Cotton is a great fabric, but just screams "I'm cheap and didn't want to put more effort into this."
Yeah, I have decided on this for the materials...
Helmet - some Ebayed Imperial Guard Helmet, modified.
Armor - Sintra
Cape - Black wool (lightweight though, as I live in the Phoenix, AZ area), with red silky type material on the inside.
Shirt under the armor - Dark Gray Vinyl, same texture as Darth Vader Undersuit.
Gloves - Dark Gray Canvas/similar material
Belt - a thicker black leather strip with a smaller black strip on it, which would contain the red vinyl pouches, and the buckle, which would be a Darth Vader type buckle painted red.
Pants - Dark Gray Slacks
Tabard - Black Vinyl/Pleather with Red Edges done with a serger.
Boots - Black Superhero type boots from buycostumes.com
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navarre1095
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Sintra molding tutorial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiGJQtzHSls
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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Recently, I've determined that the helmet wouldn't work well as an Imperial Guard Helmet, due to it looking more like a hybrid of that and a Mandalorian Neo-Crusader Helmet. So, this means I need to make it from scratch. Any tips on how to do that? Or should I buy a pre-made one that I found available for order online, for $200-$300?
Also, please don't suggest vaccuforming to me anymore, as I am going the route of Sintra, due to ease of construction that way. If you can convince me that vacuuforming will be easier however, go ahead then.
And, finally, I have made a 3D Model of the Costume (minus the helmet), that will most likely give me the reference I need.
Here's a pic of a rendered version of it. Its not completely like the original drawing (more blocky), but I think it could work for the reference I need.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha
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Here's my (sorta) latest plan...
Pretty much, all the details are in the picture. I just hope I have the guts to actually do this.
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Obey Wann
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If you're really serious about doing something that complex, then you should probably start simple... with cardboard and duct tape, or craft foam until you get the kinks worked out. Call it a dry run, but you need to get each shape built and tweaked. Better to do that with cheap and forgiving materials 9and not so hazardous ones).
If by this time you haven't yet built a vac form table or learned from Jeff how to do molds or forms and pull plastic, then quite honestly, this is probably beyond your skill level and budget. I know it'd be beyond mine. Sorry if I'm a downer, just trying to be realistic, than that's an extremely aggressive design for someone who has never built or formed a kit, let alone cast and created one from scratch.
After having watched some 501st folks do their own scultpting and vac and fiberglass work, I am constantly amazed at just how much work goes into making any good armor or helmet (or even detail piece). And with the newer rotocast and foam rubber products being done, I'm even more amazed.
Have you built a full body cast / lifecast yet? Looked into what types of clay to use? Or has all of your effort been on a computer?
Again, not trying to be a jerk or anything, but there is a BIG difference between a CGI or comic drawing and the realities of making a costume, especially one with plastic armor. (As an example, Mike who made a set of Clone Armor called UNK spent probably $2000-5000 making his set of armor from scratch --are you willing to go that far? It took him a couple of years, countless failures, re-dos and experiments.)
Good luck, but try to keep things realistic. Start simple and work within your budget, time and skills.
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