Author Topic: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Sith_Slayer 
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Date Posted: 4/3 12:47pm Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Mistress, I’m glad that you’ve chosen to participate. So, I don’t feel that the thread has been stolen, or even hijacked for that matter (give Zoom enough opportunity though…). I can personally relate to your metamorphosis, as I too underwent a similar transformation over a year ago.

I must confess, I had originally imagined the Democratic ticket going to Hillary, with a subordinated Barack as V.P. After all, she has the vast networking resources of Slick Willy at her disposal, and we know how badly HE wants to get back into the Ovular Office (even as First Bee-yatch). Alas however, seems not to be in the cards for our dear womanoid, as she continues to dig herself deeper and deeper into the mire.

So for better or for worse, I suppose that leaves us with Obama as the contender for the title, at least for now. The DNC is still several months away, and anything can happen in either camp to implode or propel their candidates between now and then.

It’s unfortunate that the remaining Democratic candidates are so unable to distinguish themselves ideologically and philosophically that they find it necessary to resort to scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and prove not who is the better (i.e. more “qualified”) candidate, but who is the least detestable. It was only a brief matter of time before the mud slinging began in earnest betwixt Hitlary and Osama…oops…I mean Obama. After all, it’s POLITICS, Stupid!

Mainstream Media lives and dies by the sound byte. They require a quote, a quip, a catch phrase, a rallying cry, something short and sweet, concise and allegedly to the point in order to not only survive but indeed to thrive. The fact that Reverend Wright’s comments were taken “out of context” should be of little to no surprise to any of us. It is the very nature of the beast. Unfortunately, too few will go the extra mile (or in reality, mouse-clicks) to research the entire transcription in order to place such seemingly incendiary and insensitive comments within “context”. In fact, I think Zoom’s presumably innocuous posting of the Ron Paul article perfectly illustrates this point. Zoom could’ve chosen to quote any of a number of citations from the article, yet he elected to highlight the one that had the best “ring” to it. This most colorful “sound byte” oddly enough finds itself worthy of quotation most likely due to the fact that it parrots the same attitude reinforced time and time again by Mainstream Media: Crazy people support Ron Paul. Never mind the actual tone or theme of the article as a whole. Much easier just to take that tasty little tidbit “out of context”, eh?

Interesting…

I’d have to contend however, that one would have to possibly be even more crazy to support any of the three mainstream candidates. The Communist Party of the USA has in fact openly endorsed Obama’s candidacy:

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I too listened intently to Mr. Obama’s dramatic speech. It was very well written and expertly delivered. I could tell by the responses of the crowd in attendance, as I can by the responses posted herein that the desired results were overwhelmingly achieved. After all, emotions are powerful things. Powerful tools even, particularly when wielded by a skilled craftsman. Having a background in performance as well as public speaking myself, I recognize the strategic placement and emphasis of those buzz-words selected to elicit their intended emotional reactions. Words such as: union; perfection; cancer; just; equal; free; caring; slavery; Constitution; faith; decency; generosity. It was indeed a darn fine speech, and he dispensed its message like a pro. Unfortunately for me, it merely once again soundly reinforced the notion that his greatest and perhaps solitary qualifying trait as a Presidential candidate is the color of his skin, and the implied heritage that goes along with it. His track record as a Senator continues to contradict his campaign rhetoric, and in all too many cases, to belie a deeper agenda. By continually admonishing that he expressly does NOT want to make this campaign about race, he actually persists in doing so. He talks a great game and says a lot of the right things (i.e. what people want to hear). However, simply put, his words do not reflect his deeds. The Democrats have had “control” of Congress for nigh on two years now, and what have they accomplished? As little as the Republicans did when they were in “control”. If Barack and Hillary and their fellow Democratic compatriots are so hell-bent on ending the war, why haven’t they done so? You’d think with two years of Congressional dominance, they’d at least be able to affect that kind of CHANGE.

I don’t personally dislike Barack Obama. How can I, as I’ve never met the man. In fact, I’ll even go so far as to acknowledge that he is extremely charismatic, perhaps even charming to an extent, and his skills at oration are indeed finely honed. The man clearly has a gift for delivering a well-written speech. He certainly says all the right things. Well, mostly anyway. Oh yeah, and lest I forget…he’s black…or African-American…or whatever the PC terminology is these days. I mustn’t omit that fact, as it appears to be the singular defining characteristic that truly sets him apart from his opponent. Well, that and the fact that he hasn’t cried on cue, or admitted to being human…yet.

I’m not a fan of racism. Heck, I’m not a fan of most ‘isms. I believe whole-heartedly that a person’s sex, race, age, religion, politics, height, weight, eye color, hair color, shoe size, IQ, etc. should neither inherently qualify nor disqualify a person from any of life’s offerings. I’m a big believer that the best person should get the job, provided they’re imminently qualified for it. Again, those characteristics that I listed previously should have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome. Sounds great in theory at any rate.

Regarding racism, I posted this previously on 2/13, so indulge me while I merely reiterate via cut & paste:

Government as an institution is particularly ill suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

It is actually the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, gender, etc. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.

For example, racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.


In other words, by granting “special” status to “minority” groups, are we not engendering and ultimately perpetuating the very profiling that we are alleging to detest? What’s a minority? It’s merely a smaller subset of people, when compared to an entire group of people. It’s a ratio. A percentage. A fraction. It’s a number. It’s not an identity. It’s not a defining attribute. Unless we make it to be so. We do the same thing with Politics: Republicans vs. Democrats; Religion: Protestants vs. Catholics; Race: Black vs. White; Sex: Male vs. Female; Age: Young vs. Old; Weight: Fat vs. Thin; Hair: Blonde vs. Brunette; Height: Tall vs. Short; Intelligence: Smart vs. Dumb; Socially: Geek vs. Jock; Economics: Rich vs. Poor. The list goes on…and on…and on…and on…(kinda like one of my posts)…

It’s all too easy to become emotionally charged by political rhetoric and grandstanding. I merely ask that any candidate, regardless of age, sex, race, religion, political party, etc. demonstrate that they do in fact possess the necessary qualities to govern this country according to its laws. Actions speak FAR louder than words in my book.

Oh, and ArchaicRebel, I'm unsure as to what Quantum Field Theory has to do with politics? (As I am devoutly anti-emoticons (I guess that makes me an Emotist?), were I to use one in this instance, it would be the winky-eyed one, illustrating my attempt at sarcasm...)

 

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darth_hair 
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Date Posted: 4/3 3:22pm Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril) - Date Edited: 4/3 3:26pm (1 edits total) Edited By: darth_hair
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It’s all too easy to become emotionally charged by political rhetoric and grandstanding. I merely ask that any candidate, regardless of age, sex, race, religion, political party, etc. demonstrate that they do in fact possess the necessary qualities to govern this country according to its laws. Actions speak FAR louder than words in my book.

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thats the problem with politics. everyone lies/embelishes on their resume. you have to see someone do a specific job before you know they can do it. with the presidency your locked in for 4 years. how can anyone show that they are right for the job?

i say, turd sandwich all the way


 

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Sith_Slayer 
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Date Posted: 4/3 4:24pm Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
darth_hair posted:


thats the problem with politics. everyone lies/embelishes on their resume. you have to see someone do a specific job before you know they can do it. with the presidency your locked in for 4 years. how can anyone show that they are right for the job?

i say, turd sandwich all the way




That's really the kicker, isn't it?

Since most Presidential candidates have SOME background in politics prior to entering the race, it behooves us as citizens to review their previous records (kinda like lookin' at a Perp's rap sheet for prior's, really) to determine how they've acted in the past. As all three of the current mainstream front-runners are Senators, their Congressional voting records give us a great deal of insight into where they really stand on key issues.

Also, we have to dissect their campaign promises to determine what is not only feasible, but legal (Constitutional).

And actually, although it hasn't happened often (or often enough perhaps), a sitting President can be impeached for violating our nation's laws (Constitutional and otherwise). That's our main remedy if we do end up with another bad egg in the Executive nest.

Other than that, you're right. It's pretty much a cr@p shoot (emphasis on cr@p usually)...

 

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Zoom_Cthooga 
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Date Posted: 4/14 9:42am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Sith_Slayer posted:
That's really the kicker, isn't it?


Yeah. There's really no way to determine that a candidate will actually be good once they're in office. Reagan was a movie star, but he somehow got us through a recession and the Cold War without killing us, but he also sold weapons to Iran at the same time. Clinton -- I actually don't think he was that bad, and at the very least he was entertaining. The Bushes -- I could probably have done without.

Some might think I'm crazy, but I really am starting to lean more towards Obama. Last week's speech kinda cemented it for me:

TERRE HAUTE, INDIANA posted:
TERRE HAUTE, INDIANA – At a town hall meeting in Indiana, U.S.

Senator Barack Obama made the following comments in response to the Clinton and McCain campaign’s attacks:

“When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness. And what’s worse is when people are expressing their anger then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened – I want to make a point here today.

“I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how’re you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What’s going on there? We hear that’s its hard for some working class people to get behind your campaign. I said, “Well look, they’re frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas. They’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.

“And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement-- so, here’s what rich. Senator Clinton says ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.

“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain—it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America."


That's probably the most inflammatory, yet down-to-Earth speech I've heard yet. I was watching it at the bar with my homies after work on Friday. It was actually stirring up enough people that they were changing more and more of the TVs away from hockey and to CNN. It was kinda crazy.

Of course, this doesn't say he'll actually be a good president, or that he really does want to change these things. But either him or his speechwriter is awesome. He's not out of touch at all. Practically everyone I know (including myself) has had their job(s) go overseas, been laid off at some time or another, and we're all feeling it. I'd really have to side with Obama when it comes to who's out of touch, and who's in touch.

 

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Zoom_Cthooga 
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Date Posted: 4/14 9:48am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Zoom_Cthooga posted:
I was watching it at the bar with my homies after work on Friday.


After reading that again, I realized how dumb that sounded. In any case, it was Buffalo Wild Wings. But everybody around here calls any establishment that sells alcohol a "bar" around here. Sports Club? I dunno? "Crapy Restaurant with Horrible Food?" Probably. Either way, it wasn't a mass of drunken idiots -- at 3pm on Friday the general populous is everyone who just got out of work.

The mass of drunken idiots fighting over who gets a turn at Guitar Hero on the big screen doesn't appear until about 3 hours later. wink

 

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Date Posted: 4/14 10:54am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Thanks for posting, that Zoom. While I was working on my research project last night, my mom was watching FoxNews (cuz she's addicted) and I remember hearing them (Bill O, I think) going off about what an arrogant jerk Obama was for calling the people in the midwest bitter. I remember thinking, I bet they took that out of context. Sho' nuff. Thanks.

 

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Date Posted: 4/14 11:36am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
we are currently lobbying for better healthcare reform, specifically in behavioral healtcare. Did you know that because of very limited recovery options in this state (and don't get me started on Colorado's lack of recovery programs) Colorado has one of the highest proportions of young people living long term in assisted living facilities in the country? This isn't because they medically need that level of care, it is because there isn't a better option in this state


makes me very very sad=(

 

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Date Posted: 4/16 8:40am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Diebold Accidentally Leaks Results Of 2008 Election Early

 

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Date Posted: 4/16 8:59am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
laugh

 

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Date Posted: 4/16 9:31am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
that was funny. Gotta luv da Onion.

 

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Date Posted: 4/22 6:28am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril) - Date Edited: 4/22 6:31am (2 edits total) Edited By: Sarnia
Right to Work VS At Will Employment

I don't know if you guys realize this but currently Colorado is an "At Will" state. Basically this means employee or employer can terminate employment with or without cause at any time without notice. Businesses in the state are lobbying hard for us to become a "Right to Work" state, which seriously inhibits the ability for unions and such to negotiate. Here is an article for ya'll to read:





Right-to-Work laws inhibit the right to organize.
Right-to-Work laws do not guarantee any rights. Right-to-Work statutes prohibit employers and unions from voluntarily negotiating a union security agreement. A union security agreement requires employees who benefit from the union’s representation to pay dues that cover the costs of union negotiations, contract administration, and other union-provided job services.
Right-to-Work laws are designed to financially cripple the union movement.
Federal law requires unions to represent nonmembers. For example, if a nonunion worker is fired illegally, the union must finance the expensive legal proceedings to defend him or her. Right-to-Work laws allow workers to enjoy a union’s services without paying dues. Not only does this discourage workers from joining the union, but it undermines worker solidarity.


Right-to-Work laws decrease wages for everyone.
Because workers’ organizing rights are diminished in states with Right-to-Work laws, an average worker earns about $7,131 a year less than workers in free bargaining states ($30,656 versus $37,787).1 Across the nation, union members earn $9,308 a year more than nonunion members ($41,652 versus $32,344).2 Clearly these laws only provide a right to work for less.


Right-to-Work laws especially harm people of color.
People of color generally benefit the most from union membership. On average, Hispanic union members earn 50 percent ($224) more each week than nonunion Hispanics, and African Americans earn 31 percent ($156) more each week if they are union members.3

Right-to-Work states have more poverty, higher infant mortality rates and poorer schools.
Right-to-Work states have a poverty rate of 13.5 percent, compared with 12.2 percent in free bargaining states. The infant mortality rate is 7.94 percent higher and the uninsured population rate is 15 percent higher on average in Right-to-Work states. And Right-to-Work states spend on average $1,680 less per pupil in elementary and secondary school. The lack of spending results in lower teacher salaries and student test scores—average teacher salaries are $6,943 lower and composite ACT scores are 3.55 percent lower in Right-to-Work states.

Right-to-Work laws endanger workers’ physical security.
A union weakened by Right-to-Work laws has less power to act as a force for safer working conditions. More workplace deaths and injuries occur in states with Right-to-Work laws. According to calculations from Bureau of Labor statistics, the rate of workplace deaths is 41 percent higher in states with Right-to-Work laws. And injured workers in those states have fewer benefits to help them recover physically and financially. In 1996, workers compensation benefits were 50 percent lower in Right-to-Work states than in free bargaining states.4

It is in states’ economic interest to keep unions strong.
Studies show that unions increase productivity by encouraging new technology, labor management coordination, and increased training. To compete, nonunion businesses often increase their use of technology and train workers in new skills, making them eligible for higher wages. As wages rise, consumers have more money to spend, and more jobs are created. The ultimate beneficiary is the overall state economy.


This policy summary relies in large part on information from the AFL-CIO.






And here are links to wikipedia for at will and right to work where there is more information and links


Right To Work


At Will

 

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Sith_Slayer 
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Date Posted: 4/30 9:54am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Michael Moore will be Larry King's only guest tonight (Wednesday), live, for the full hour. Tune in to CNN at 9pm ET (repeated at midnight and 3am), 6pm PT (repeated at 9pm, and midnight).

 

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Date Posted: 4/30 10:23am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Here's a nice blurb from him from his web site.

So, I guess...Michigan isn't allowed to vote this year?

 

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Date Posted: 4/30 11:54am Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Both Michigan and Florida scheduled their Democratic Primaries "too early", and thus the Democratic Party laid the smack down and told them they could not hold Primaries at all. So essentially, Michigan and Florida have been excluded from the nomination process. They can still vote in the actual Presidential election come November, its just that they have no say in who their candidate will ultimately be. Gotta love "Democracy" in action. And...what IS it about Florida?

 

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Date Posted: 4/30 6:49pm Subject: RE: The DREADED Politics Thread: (Political Opinion - Enter at your own Peril)
Florida needs to take a small break from politics, just until the prove they know what they are doing

 

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