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Furyan_Jedi_13
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2/18 10:57pm
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RE: People Who Like Zekk _____ Coalition
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So chaoticforce, would you say something like Luke and Leia could represent a parental/aunt-uncle aspect to Zekk? I can almost see that from them. They have always been kind to Zekk (unlike Han  ).
And Zekk accepting Jag as a sort of brother? That would also work. The shippers are arguing over which one would be suitable for Jaina, but the way things have been going, I'm thinking that neither of them really want or need her anymore. If that's the case, they could lean on each other. Jag has essentially lost his family, and Zekk has always wanted one. Hell, they even LOOK like brothers!
I think it could work.
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SilSolo
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2/25 7:29am
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Furyan_Jedi_13 posted:
So chaoticforce, would you say something like Luke and Leia could represent a parental/aunt-uncle aspect to Zekk? I can almost see that from them. They have always been kind to Zekk (unlike Han ).
And Zekk accepting Jag as a sort of brother? That would also work. The shippers are arguing over which one would be suitable for Jaina, but the way things have been going, I'm thinking that neither of them really want or need her anymore. If that's the case, they could lean on each other. Jag has essentially lost his family, and Zekk has always wanted one. Hell, they even LOOK like brothers!
I think it could work.
that sounds like Phantom of teh Opera lol
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Furyan_Jedi_13
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2/28 4:34am
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You guys all know how I love the Jaina/Zekk ship. But I have to ask you this.
Considering what has happened in Revelation, would you consider hoping for a Jaina/Zekk outcome to be a lost cause?
I'm starting to think so. And it nearly breaks my heart.
And if you include spoilers, maybe you should black them out.
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chaotic-force
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2/28 10:50am
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Ok, I’m sorry for not responding sooner to your post Neo-Paladin, I've been working on a history term paper that took up most of my time. Also I would like to apologize in advance for the length of this post, as it ended up longer than I intended.
Neo-Paladin posted:
So, my one response is, in YJK Zekk was a bit of a loner, and took great pride in his independence and self reliance. Do you think there is a chance that Zekk could find his way forward by embracing that independent streak within himself, and thereby rising above the need for approbation?
Ultimately, innerpeace must come from within, no?
You bring up a very interesting point. On the one hand I do agree that Zekk could embrace his old nature, and would probably gain more recognition because of it. His years of independence have given him a wide variety of skills, his ability to map out complicated terrain, the ability to scavenge food, and most importantly the ability to track and avoid enemies. All of these abilities coupled with his strength in the force, would make him one of the best scouts in the order. However, I do not think that he has the ability to make peace with himself.
I would actually argue that in order to gain the survival skills that Zekk has, he had to sacrifice a lot of his own emotional state. To be more specific I think he had to learn to repress what he was feeling. There are several moments in his first appearance The Lost Ones where he is almost callus to the darkness of the city. I think one of the most telling moments of how hardened he is when he finds a dead body in a crashed Old Republic ship and makes a joke about the dead pilot inside.
I don't fault Zekk for being callus; rather it shows the trauma the city has caused him. Zekk tries to walk the line between the kind person that befriended the Solo twins, and the gang members of the city. He cannot be taken care of or coddled like the twins, and so he was a harsher figure, but he maintained a sense of honor and refused to join the gangs that he felt were corrupt. That left Zekk alone with no support structure, and so he could not afford to be emotional, or as others might perceive it weak.
This emotional repression was not healthy, nor do I think Zekk enjoys it. In a way young Zekk often tries to escape his independent nature by joining the Shadow Academy. He latches on to the group not just for the promise of power, but because he feels he is not alone anymore. Though I admit this is a major stretch on my behalf, as I have always seen Brakis and Zekk to be very close to each other, in an almost father son way.
As of LoTF though, I think Zekk has returned to an emotionally repressed state, not because he has to, but because Jaina is such an emotional creature someone needs to be level headed.
Zekk I feel does not know how to be able to forgive himself, because it requires a level of emotional self awareness I think he does not have. To look at his life and embrace all the pain that is in it. Instead he tries to act like the past does not exist and function. If her were to talk to someone who could guide him, and help him understand that he is a good person and not defined by his faults, then I think he can become a character of note.
Furyan_Jedi_13 posted:
So chaoticforce, would you say something like Luke and Leia could represent a parental/aunt-uncle aspect to Zekk? I can almost see that from them. They have always been kind to Zekk
I agree that Luke could almost be an uncle figure, but I have always felt Luke is the model that Zekk wants to base himself on. If they had more than one or two scenes together I might consider them to have a familial bond, but they so rarely interact it is hard to say.
As for Leia, the Zekk fan in me hates her. That is not to say that Zekk does not get along with her, only that she seems to have always been slightly dismissive of him. I think this is sad because they had such a wonderful thing in common, as both of their worlds were destroyed. While Ennth did not actually blow up, the people Zekk knew and the society he was a part of was forever gone.
Also I have not yet read Revelations, is Zekk even in that one? If so does something bad happen to him and Jaina?
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jedi_of_ennth
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2/28 1:03pm
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I don't have anything to say other than that I totally agree with you, chaotic-force, and I enjoy reading your insightful walls of Zekk-related text. 
I've skimmed Revelation, and Zekk has a few lines toward the end of the book, but other than that, he's a nonentity. He's not a Mando, after all.
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Emperor_Time
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2/28 2:27pm
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So if Zekk kills Jag then Jaina will have to marry Zekk, right? 
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iamobiwan1970
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Emperor_Time posted:
So if Zekk kills Jag then Jaina will have to marry Zekk, right?
 Not likely! Zekk seems all better now, no more homocidal thoughts.
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jedi_of_ennth
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2/28 3:40pm
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So if Zekk kills Jag then Jaina will have to marry Zekk, right?
As she's not a commodity to be passed back and forth between males as they assert their dominance over one another, I would say no.  In such an event, I would hope Jaina would recognize that Zekk has a problem and get help for him rather than fall madly in love with him. But as quickly as Jaina forgave Jag for the whole "attempted Killik genocide" thing so she could go back to admiring his body, I can't be sure how she would react.
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Furyan_Jedi_13
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2/28 4:25pm
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(sigh) We really don't know, do we?
I'm just hoping that Troy Denning pulls a fast one and shakes things up a bit in the last novel. Just to make things more interesting.
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Neo-Paladin
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So, to probe a little deeper CF, what can you point to in "The Lost Ones" that supports your thesis that Zekk was emotionally repressed in the Undercity? He was able to make friends despite enormous class differences. If anything, I'd argue he was shockingly well adjusted. He exhibited no particular anxieties, emotional dysregulation, or antisocial behavior that I can recall. Further, he maintained a moral compass that prohibited killing, until he was forced to kill to survive.
Obviously there would be some mental reaction to his situation, but as I said, he seems to have dealt with it well. The fact that he overcomes these difficulties is part of what makes him a hero in my mind.
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chaotic-force
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Hey Neo-Paladin, I hope my earlier post did not offend you. I understand and in a lot of ways agree with your assessment that Zekk could thrive on his own, and that his survival skills might enable him to overcome his fear and become a respected character.
I will admit there is little factual evidence of Zekk being emotionally repressed. Though he does show some anti-social tendencies both then and in LoTF. We never see him interact with characters other than the Solo gang, and Peckhum. In LoTF, it is even more apparent as he basically is described as being silent like a tree around anyone but Jaina or Jag.
So I admit that my labeling of Zekk as emotionally repressed might have been hasty. Perhaps we can agree though that Zekk’s lonely childhood and extreme poverty, have shaped his character? For example Zekk is defined as one of the kindest and most loyal Jedi by Jaina, I have always felt this is because he maybe more than other Jedi know what it is like to be almost casually discarded by the world. I think that he really does have more compassion than characters with similar problems like Kyp.
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Neo-Paladin
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No, I'm not offended at all! No drama here, honnest. I'm just enjoying some interesting give and take on one of my favorite EU characters. Also, I'm hoping this will generate further discussion, as if there's nothing much to talk about the PWLZ_C falls into depths of the boards as it were.
At anyrate, I absolutely agree that everything about Zekk has to be considered in the context of his history. Most people who went through what Zekk did would come out deeply scared, and I think Zekk bears his own scars as well. I actually think Zekk would be a more realistic character were he more obviously damaged by his history, but then he would be less mythic. And I'll grant, being something of a loner and a survior Zekk probably knows the value of keeping his hurts well protected, so his scars wouldn't be obvious. Still, he seems to have overcome much.
I find it interesting that Zekk and Anakin Skywalker had histories that shared simularites, but they were shaped very differently by them. For one thing, Anakin always saw the Galaxy he wants, while Zekk seems much more focused on the Galaxy as it is.
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Darth_wanderguard
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By my authority as Minister of Public Affairs, I would like to formally invite your group to participate in the EU Senate.
If you have any questions, comments, problems, or need help with gaining membership, my PM box is open.
~D_w, Minister of Public Affairs ~
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JediSmurf
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Hey everyone, OP here. This is the second or third time we've been asked to join the Senate. I don't have time for it personally but surely someone here must. Can anyone step up and represent Zekk?
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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Hey, JediSmurf. *Waves*
I would, but I'm already a senator. *Sigh* It'd be nice, though.
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