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jedi_of_ennth
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3/24 6:13am
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RE: People Who Like Zekk _____ Coalition
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I would, but I'm far too busy with school at the moment.
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Darth_Sabith
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3/25 8:32am
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RE: People Who Like Zekk _____ Coalition
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Sorry I'm the senator for the Jacen fan club and also one of the leaders for the Hidden Orders....
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ZekksGoddess
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JediSmurf posted:
This is the second or third time we've been asked to join the Senate.
It's unfortunate we've never been able to take advantage of it. Kriff DRL!
I would do it, but I'm not sure I qualify well, considering my random months-spanning absences. Plus, I'm fairly terrible at debating and so on.
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ZekksGoddess
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3/31 8:16pm
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Just dragging this out from underneath all the other pages.
Might as well not lose our eligibility for the Senate, even if we haven't got a Senator.  Although I think the inactivity limit is something more like 14 days...
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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3/31 9:51pm
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I'd do it, except I'm already a senator.
Anyone else wish when Zekk was Dark Side... he wiped out the Ewoks?
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jedi_of_ennth
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Speaking of Ewoks and Wes Janson hijacking the EUC, it's worth noting that April 5 will be the five-year anniversary of the PWLZ_C.
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ZekksGoddess
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Hurray Zekk!
*looks up cake recipes*
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
Anyone else wish when Zekk was Dark Side... he wiped out the Ewoks?
I've always liked the Ewoks, but this is making me begin to reconsider.
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ZekksGoddess
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Well, Happy 5th anniversary to the PWLZ_C!
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Neo-Paladin
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4/6 8:34am
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Yes indeed thrill seekers! And may we all look forward to the road ahead.
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chaotic-force
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Ok, in an attempt to bump the thread I have a question for every zekk fan. Do you guys think he was wrong to join the shadow academy?
I know this might seem like a weird questioning, seeing as how Zekk has often said that he regretted his choice, but I have always felt that he made the right choice.
While I do believe that Zekk should not go to the dark side, I do think that the Second Imperium seemed like a better system to him than the New Republic. Zekk never saw the real Empire, and has lived in a state of poverty that has children being abandoned in the lower levels, Peckhum basically being left to float in space with faulty machinery, and as far as I have seen no sign of relief for the lower classes.
Add to that the emotional state he was in, and the fact that he was feeling like his friends were outgrowing him. Brakiss makes a very powerful point I felt, when he said that if Zekk ignored his potential, he would be scavenging for the rest of his life.
In the end, I have always felt that Zekk never really owed the New Republic anything, and that while the dark side can corrupt one, his motive were not ethically that wrong.
I know this is probably an unpopular view, and I mostly put it out here to see what others feel about Zekk's original turn, and I hope this can spark some discussion. if not feel free to ignore
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DarthJuanakin
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Best line of any Star Wars EU book.
Zekk: They keep trying to blow me up!!
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Darth_Sabith
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4/23 10:47am
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chaotic-force posted:
Ok, in an attempt to bump the thread I have a question for every zekk fan. Do you guys think he was wrong to join the shadow academy?
I know this might seem like a weird questioning, seeing as how Zekk has often said that he regretted his choice, but I have always felt that he made the right choice.
While I do believe that Zekk should not go to the dark side, I do think that the Second Imperium seemed like a better system to him than the New Republic. Zekk never saw the real Empire, and has lived in a state of poverty that has children being abandoned in the lower levels, Peckhum basically being left to float in space with faulty machinery, and as far as I have seen no sign of relief for the lower classes.
Add to that the emotional state he was in, and the fact that he was feeling like his friends were outgrowing him. Brakiss makes a very powerful point I felt, when he said that if Zekk ignored his potential, he would be scavenging for the rest of his life.
In the end, I have always felt that Zekk never really owed the New Republic anything, and that while the dark side can corrupt one, his motive were not ethically that wrong.
I know this is probably an unpopular view, and I mostly put it out here to see what others feel about Zekk's original turn, and I hope this can spark some discussion. if not feel free to ignore
No he made the right choice. Honestly I think if he hadn't done what he did then he wouldn't have become a jedi really. Luke and the rest never even saw any potiental in the boy....
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jedi_of_ennth
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chaotic-force posted:
Ok, in an attempt to bump the thread I have a question for every zekk fan. Do you guys think he was wrong to join the shadow academy?
I know this might seem like a weird questioning, seeing as how Zekk has often said that he regretted his choice, but I have always felt that he made the right choice.
While I do believe that Zekk should not go to the dark side, I do think that the Second Imperium seemed like a better system to him than the New Republic. Zekk never saw the real Empire, and has lived in a state of poverty that has children being abandoned in the lower levels, Peckhum basically being left to float in space with faulty machinery, and as far as I have seen no sign of relief for the lower classes.
Add to that the emotional state he was in, and the fact that he was feeling like his friends were outgrowing him. Brakiss makes a very powerful point I felt, when he said that if Zekk ignored his potential, he would be scavenging for the rest of his life.
In the end, I have always felt that Zekk never really owed the New Republic anything, and that while the dark side can corrupt one, his motive were not ethically that wrong.
I know this is probably an unpopular view, and I mostly put it out here to see what others feel about Zekk's original turn, and I hope this can spark some discussion. if not feel free to ignore
Actually, this is a great point. When Zekk joined up with the Shadow Academy, he definitely wasn't thinking of the Second Imperium in the same terms Jacen and Jaina thought of it in. They saw it as the reincarnation of a despotic, xenophobic society their parents fought to overthrow; Zekk, young and fairly ignorant of galactic affairs, saw it as an institution that offered him opportunities the New Republic never did. It makes perfect sense that he would see Brakiss' offer as a rescue of sorts, and I've never liked the way The Lost Ones presents his decision; Jacen and Jaina react with melodramatic cries of "OH NOEZ ZEKK IS TEH EVIL!!111!!" and "How could he betray us?!"
Speaking of lost opportunities on the New Republic's part, it's worth noting that Jacen and Jaina were perfectly willing to help Zekk out of poverty--they offered him a better place to stay, new clothes, better food, more credits--but he was too stubborn to accept. So his pride did play a role in his decision to go with Brakiss; he would rather make his own way in the galaxy than let his friends bail him out. My question, then, is this: Was his choice influenced more by a harmless desire to improve his lot in life or by pride? I tend to think it was a bit of both; he wanted to be someone Peckhum and Jaina could be proud of, but more than that, he wanted to be someone he could be proud of. He then got sucked into the Shadow Academy's teachings, which of course led him in all the wrong ways.
I hope that made some sort of sense. 
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iamobiwan1970
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What an excellent question. It's got me thinking, but I'm not sure what to think. I think Zekk needed to be believed in and the Imperium/Shadow Academy gave him that. Maybe it came from pride, maybe it came from that childhood we all like to speculate upon. Even as a darksider, part of him was still very much in control. It's like he used it as a means to educate himself. I mean really.....why wasn't Luke there to discover his Force talent and take him in. Makes Luke look like a dolt!
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chaotic-force
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I'm glad you guys liked my question, i was worried it might seem silly.
You ask a very interesting question J_O_E. On the one hand I don't think you can eliminate Zekk's pride as a major factor, but I would say that it was not the defining point.
It is hard to deny that much of Brakiss's promises of personal glory and power did not appeal to Zekk's pride, but I still feel that Zekk's obsession with pride and power didn't come until he was already integrated into the shadow academy and his insecurities were fully exploited.
Instead I feel the reason why Zekk left was because the last tool he had to ignore the reality of his life had failed him.
By the Lost Ones Zekk has lived in the Undercity for at least seven years. He seems to have no friends other than Peckhum and the Solo twins. He is apparently malnourished, and feels that he is lucky to have found rations from the Empire's war, which have to be at least twenty years old at the freshest.
Zekk however, does not make any negative mentions of his circumstances to his friends. Instead he tries to spin it as an example of how free his life is. It is only when they mention how poor his life is, and how they would be willing to help him that he lashes out and becomes moody.
To me this shows why it was an experience with the Twins that pushed Zekk to leave. When he was younger the twins seem to have idolized him, seeing all the dangers and trials he survived as cool, almost that he was something one should aspire to be. When Zekk was with the twins he got to pretend his life was much more dramatic and triumphant than it was.
Unfortunately the kids grew up and began to see how sad Zekk's life really was, and the delusion they all shared died. The final straw being the dinner where zekk saw how poor his life really was and how he could not fit into the high class.
Zekk at this time is overwhelmed with the reality of his situation, that to the world he really is just a poor street kid, not unlike the gangs that Zekk disapproved of. So he latches on to the first people that tell him that not only is he special, but that they would welcome him into a better life, and that he could change the world so that other poor people could also benefit.
Wow this turned out longer than I intended, but that is how i have always looked at Zekk's motives for his turn, as more of a desperate act by a confused and as I see it lonely kid. I don't think it was the right choice, but it is understandable and sympathetic.
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