Author Topic: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
Jedi_Satimber  38883 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 2:52pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base - Date Edited: 7/17/05 3:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi_Satimber
Iron_Fist posted:
I can't stand Crappy Potter.

I got a call yesterday from Suncoast saying that the book would be in...but I never reserved that crap.


Yeah, Sats, play fair. If you don't like it, can't you state it simply and without insult, like the Grand Admiral did? You are supposed to be setting an example, being high up and all. Like Jaina said, it's just as bad as what we're supposed to be against. wink


I_F



Last I checked...this is a Star Wars message board. wink


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jedi_master_ousley posted:
Shawn, it is extremely hypocritical to bash Harry Potter in the EUDF thread. Please don't do it again. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of defending literature that one likes, doesn't it?

That being said, this book was AMAZING. I'd suggest that those interested in discuss it join the discussion in my HBP spoilers thread in JCC. happy


again, I will point to my above statement that this is a SW message board...and this is an EU thread...not a Crappy Potter thread.

 

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jedi_master_ousley  30789 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 5:03pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base - Date Edited: 7/17/05 5:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jedi_master_ousley
... and you're point is what, exactly? You're doing exactly to the Harry Potter fans what our goal is to stop people from doing to the Star Wars fans. I don't care what type of message boards we're at, you're still being a hypocrite and rude to people who actually enjoy the series. It is immature and sets a bad example and could create a bad image for the group for whoever might be lurking. Your bashing of something we like is no different to us than someone bashing the EU. This isn't the place for that. If you don't like it, tough. Ignore our discussion about it.

For someone who is second in command, I would think you'd be a bit more mature about the situation instead of dancing around saying "wah wah, I can bash what I want because these are Star Wars boards!" Maybe you should think about what you're posting before you do it and understand the consequences of doing so. People aren't going to be happy, and people are going to point out the hypocrisy in such statements.

So, again, I ask that you please stop, and let us enjoy whatever series we so happen to enjoy. Our goal in the EUDF is to stop bashing, and it'd be nice if you could keep our base free of bashing of any kind.

 

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Daughter_of_Yubyub  17707 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 5:07pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
Couldn't you hold to what we stand for and not bash? No one's asking that you like Harry Potter, just that you be polite to those who do. After all, the EUDF isn't about proving to anyone that the EU is good, only asking that they not bash it. We ask purists to respect that some people DO enjoy the EU. Can you not give the same courtesy to your fellow EUDFers who happen to like HP?





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Rogue...Jedi  17317 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 5:26pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
I'll be the first to say that I'm not a HP fan. Never read the books, never seen the movies, don't have plans to do either of the above, and will probably bring a book with me next time I go out with friends because I figure they'll want to spend a while talking about HP.

That said, there's no need to bash HP or any other books. The EUDF's primary goal is to defend the EU, yes, and HP does not fall under that category. But the type of people this force is designed to protect against are precisely those who attack SW literature (or comics, games, etc.) without reason.. i.e., those who say something on the order of "PU sux, I don't read that junk"... which is not that different from saying the same about any other book/series, HP included. Is it really that much harder to say "I've never gotten into HP" (or any number of similar variations) than "I can't stand Crappy Potter"? Or there's always the old saying about if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.

 

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saberlord99  928 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 5:54pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
I would like to think that I am not the only one who thinks that EUDF stands for the much larger idea of a right to talk and discuss something you enjoy free of negative talk. I would also like to think members of the EUDF would respect this idea pretty much in every post they think about typing. The test of believing in an ideal is if you yourself can be on the end of having to hold any negative, non-constructive, non-original, ill-thought comments you may wish to say. I hate any number of fan-fictions, games, and movies people post that are in no way Star Wars related, you know the remedy? DON'T POST! It is a novel idea, having to keep silent, one many of us should try from time to time. If this organization is no longer one that believes fans of any literature or media have a right to speak of something without the EU is PU-esque comments, perhaps it is time to disband. Or find a new direction.

 

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Sean_Starrider  1478 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/05 9:02pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
To quote Rodney King..."Can't we all just get along?" peace

 

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Iron_Fist  9580 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 2:07am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
saberlord99 posted on 7/17/05 5:54pm
I would like to think that I am not the only one who thinks that EUDF stands for the much larger idea of a right to talk and discuss something you enjoy free of negative talk. I would also like to think members of the EUDF would respect this idea pretty much in every post they think about typing. The test of believing in an ideal is if you yourself can be on the end of having to hold any negative, non-constructive, non-original, ill-thought comments you may wish to say. I hate any number of fan-fictions, games, and movies people post that are in no way Star Wars related, you know the remedy? DON'T POST! It is a novel idea, having to keep silent, one many of us should try from time to time. If this organization is no longer one that believes fans of any literature or media have a right to speak of something without the EU is PU-esque comments, perhaps it is time to disband. Or find a new direction.


Amen. Thank you, saberlord, ousley, Yubs, and Rogue.

I'm 150 pages in. Forget the homework... I'm finishing this tonight. grin


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Jedi_Satimber  38883 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 3:56am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
jedi_master_ousley posted:
... and you're point is what, exactly? You're doing exactly to the Harry Potter fans what our goal is to stop people from doing to the Star Wars fans. I don't care what type of message boards we're at, you're still being a hypocrite and rude to people who actually enjoy the series. It is immature and sets a bad example and could create a bad image for the group for whoever might be lurking. Your bashing of something we like is no different to us than someone bashing the EU. This isn't the place for that. If you don't like it, tough. Ignore our discussion about it.

For someone who is second in command, I would think you'd be a bit more mature about the situation instead of dancing around saying "wah wah, I can bash what I want because these are Star Wars boards!" Maybe you should think about what you're posting before you do it and understand the consequences of doing so. People aren't going to be happy, and people are going to point out the hypocrisy in such statements.

So, again, I ask that you please stop, and let us enjoy whatever series we so happen to enjoy. Our goal in the EUDF is to stop bashing, and it'd be nice if you could keep our base free of bashing of any kind.



Then I suggest that you guys who just attacked me for my personal disgust and distaste for a book that does not really belong in this forum...REWRITE AN ACCEPTABLE VERSION OF THE MISSION STATEMENT.


Mission Statement:


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The PURPOSE of the EU Defense Force is to defend the Expanded Universe, its fans, and its creators from the vicious attacks, misinformation, bigotry and intolerance perpetrated by “EU-Bashers.”

Our goal is to defend the rights held by the fans of the Expanded Universe (also known as “completists”) to use the Expanded Universe as a basis of their posts across the forums without fear of personal attack. The Expanded Universe Defense Force’s goal is also to defend the right for completists to enjoy Expanded Universe material without fear of being persecuted or belittled by the “bashers.” The fans of only the movies (known as “purists”) generally do not fit into this category, but we must be ever careful of those who do.

Such bashers vary in intensity. Some only attack the EU when mentioned in speculation. Some attempt to say that EU-based discussion has NO PLACE in certain Forums. Some attack the EU AND the person who mentioned it. Some attack the EU, the person who mentioned it, the author of the book, his fans and anyone else remotely involved.

Now there are some people who like the EU, but disagree about its use in speculation. These are NOT bashers. There are also some who dislike the EU personally, but don't shove that fact down anybody's throat, but simply state their viewpoint with civility. These, also, are NOT bashers.

Now let me tell you what the EUDF is NOT:

We are NOT a group who goes around and forces people to like the EU. We are also NOT a group who runs in and argues every time someone says the EU is stupid or something. We are only interested in when those people start attacking speculators, fans, or the right of fans to speculate. Everyone is free to enjoy the EU as much or as little as they choose.

We are the Expanded Universe Defense Force, not the Expanded Universe Attack Force. Our goal is to pacify EU-bashing flame wars, NOT to incite them.
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That is how you debate that point. wink

 

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DVader316  22825 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 6:57am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
Ok, guys, let's please drop this. J-Sat obviously isnt an HP fan, and while he was unnecassarily blunt about it, he is entitled to his opinion. Its fine that you guys feel passionate about these books but personally I dont think that it was necassary to gang up on him like that.

With that said, though, I agree with those who say that it isnt necassary to attack the HP books, especially if one hasnt read them. Personally Im not interested in them but I would never bash them, simply because it'd be foolish to bash and criticize something I havent even formed a real opinion on since Ive never read or seen the films.

Anyway, Im glad that you guys are enjoying the book. Perhaps now we can drop this and get back to our regularly scheduled program. wink

 

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Jedi_Satimber  38883 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 9:12am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
there goes my in-house debate and giving a little action to Home Base and trying to get the Cadets involved. sad

 

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Date Posted: 7/18/05 10:50am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
So it was all a grand scheme? mischief

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Jedi_Satimber  38883 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 10:56am Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
Boba_Fett_123 posted:
So it was all a grand scheme? mischief

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Yes.

I am second in command for a reason.



I know when things need to be taken care of. wink

 

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Skyvader  65 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 1:01pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base
Well I got my book on Saturday but I've such a full weekend that I haven't gotten into it too deeply as of yet. I'd say something about the whole posting controversey over what Sats said but it looks like the vets already beat the one into the ground. Anyway, I got some reading to do judging by how many have already finished the book apparently.

 

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DVader316  22825 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/05 4:04pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base - Date Edited: 7/18/05 4:06pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DVader316
there goes my in-house debate and giving a little action to Home Base and trying to get the Cadets involved.

Debate is all well and good but if that was your goal from the start than you should have been clear about it from the beginning since obviously quite a few people here were insulted by what you said.

Perhaps it isnt too late for that, though. If all parties are willing to be civil about things than Id be more than happy to sanction a little off-topic debate here at Base. happy

 

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Katana_Geldar  27712 posts
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Date Posted: 7/19/05 6:24pm Subject: RE: The Expanded Universe Defence Force :: Home Base - Date Edited: 7/19/05 7:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Katana_Geldar
upping this thread, I need to get back into the link

EDIT: Nothing to report but a thread that mentioned the 'c' word in PT that Bib and I sorted out.

 

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