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Obi_Wans_love_child
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9/17/02 10:59pm
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RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
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I dont know about in 5 minutes. I dont think she says that. Later on she does say it but that is a little further down the line.
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Aunecah_Skywalker
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9/18/02 5:25am
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Hasn't Mara been lecturing Luke about unilaterally declaring himself a Jedi Master after only ten years of service? How many yeras did she take to become a Jedi Master - 7?
OWLC : You have to wait for my reply becuase I'm going to need ample time to reply, and right now I have but ten minutes and am doing a bunch of other things along with posting in here.
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Aunecah_Skywalker
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I am pretty sure I read somewhere (though I can't figure out where I read it) that the reason Luke was fixed with Mara because everyone (as in the *authors*) felt bad for all the torment they put him through and decided that he finally needs to have a life.
I wanted Luke to marry so badly. I just couldn't see why Leia can live a "happy" life with Han and her children while Luke sits in his room alone and wallows in self-pity.
When I heard from my teacher that Luke finally married - a woman named Mara Jade - I was so happy. I picked up the Hand of Thrawn dualogy books and frantically read through them. Three chapters into the first book, I lost half my excitement. The way Zahn portreyed Luke just destroyed the book for me. This is not to say that I don't enjoy Leia's and Han's POV, but when a main character's characterization is poorly done, then the entire book loses some of its strength.
By the time I began Vision of the Future, I simply was non-enthusiastic and continued reading only because I wanted to finish the dualogy.
Zahn is a great author. His writing styles is not too complex, and I liked his battles - the complexity of them, and the way they appear like real battles.
But he was simply not very great at writing emotions, at giving his own characters any weaknesses. And he basically sunk Luke to the bottom of the ocean, just to show that Mara would be able to single-handedly pull him all the way back up.
I was very unsatisfied with the ending, also. The reason for which Luke asked Mara to marry him seemed unnatural. Also, the fact that they never really explored Luke's and Mara's married lives (aft. the book) and suddenly here we are in the NJO, in which Luke is willing to die for Mara and (esp.!)vice versa.
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Sreya
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The whole marraige was done badly... because they shouldn't have married in the first place. Talk about a dysfunctional relationship! She wanted, and tried, to kill him, he's trying to train her, she blames him for all that's wrong in the universe, he tries to excuse everything wrong she's ever done...
Gee, if the genders were swapped, we'd have a classic spouse abuse story!
*looking around* *sniff* I'm gonna miss this place! 
Sreya
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Jedi_Suzuran
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9/18/02 9:47am
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Classic spouse abuse story is right.
Also, Aunecah brings up a great point. Mara has no right whatsoever to lecture Luke on being a Jedi Master after 10 years. So what? He knew of the Force way longer than Tang did.
And she became a Knight, let alone a Master, in less than 10? 
Uh-huh, sure, you have a right to lecture, Mara.
Not.
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Aunecah_Skywalker
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Sreya : That is so true. It's basically how Luke and Mara function. Mara blames Luke for everything that's wrong in the universe - and then says that it's wrong because he's trying to make everything right. Luke, looking at everything from the opposite pole, completely ignores or forgives Mara's actions.
I just have a question. If by some miracle Luke and Mara divorce, who would Ben go with 
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DVader316
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She would get custody, of course. She'd probably somehow convince everyone that Luke was unift and have him locked up.
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Aunecah_Skywalker
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Dvader316 : That was what I was thinking too.
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Jedi_Suzuran
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DVader, that is spot on.
Knowing Luke, he'd take it as a matter of course that he shouldn't have custody of Ben. He's lost so much of his self-esteem and confidence already, he'll think it's Mara's right to have Ben.
*gags*
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DVader316
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Maybe if that did happen Ben would grow up resenting Mara, and maybe he'd finally slice her up with his first lightsaber when given the chance.
I can dream, cant I ?
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Aunecah_Skywalker
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Interesting thought. But that would just make Luke even more depressed. Because he "loves" Mara.
I wonder why Obi_Wans_Love_Child suddenly stopped visiting this thread. I was so looking forward to his answer.
In the meanwhile, I have a request: I want to see how much difference there would be in my writing style if I write an "academic" essay about why we are justified to dislike Mara as opposed to something like what nanotubes are and how they work. I also want to see how long the essay is going to turn out to be. Give me a comprehensive, objective list of various reasons as to why you dislike her (w/o any "she sucks" kind of messages please  ). And one day, when I finish it, I'm going to post it in here.
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Jedi_Liz
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Date Posted:
9/18/02 10:25am
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RE: Mara Jade Hater Club
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I just have a question for you guys: how did you come to this conclusion?:
Mara blames Luke for everything that's wrong in the universe - and then says that it's wrong because he's trying to make everything right. Luke, looking at everything from the opposite pole, completely ignores or forgives Mara's actions.
Where in the *books* does it say that?
Is it in the NJO books? Is there evidence to back this up?
Leaving now........
EDIT: I am leaving because (a) I am a Mara FAN and (b) I'd rather increase the post count for the Fan Club, and (c) I would never believe that they would get divorced.
EDIT2: Okay, maybe I misread that thing that Aunecah said, but it seemed that way.
Not that anyone cares, but I think Luke should have moved his Academy off Yavin after the incidenct of Exar Kun. But that is just my opinion. I respect your opinions, but only when mine are respected in return.
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DVader316
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9/18/02 10:28am
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Why start a debate and then leave ? That doesnt make any sense.
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Jedi_Suzuran
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9/18/02 10:32am
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Jedi_Liz, no one said Mara blames Luke for everything wrong in the universe.
We say that she blames Luke for things which she has no right to bring up.
His past relationships, the location of the Jedi academy, his declaration of Jedi Master. No one mentioned the universe as a whole.
If any of us said that, point it out, because I don't think we did.
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Tiershon_Fett
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9/18/02 11:00am
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I think she's past blaming him for all her woes, at his point.
It irritates that she plays a little game with Luke, where he gets the 3rd degree from Mara until he comes up with the "right" answer. If he doesn't read her mind, she sighs and gets all impatient. Why does she think she knows everything? Why is she portraed as always being right?
Like in some book, she asked some rhetorical question and Luke didn't answer. Then she gloated, "oh, he's finally learning.." Learning what? That how ever she does things is right and how everyone else does thigns is wrong? It's a just a style that she has. It doesn't make it the only option. She thinks a certain way, and if someone else doesn't she snaps at them for being slow on the uptake. It's stupid. No two people think alike. It's cheating yourself, esp. in wartime, to not take other people's experience and knowledge into consideration. Mara never does that. It's 'my way or the highway' with her.
It goes back to today's 'topic'. She has no right to lecture people about the things that happened in their lives. That is their path. They do certain things because they were raised that way.
Luke was raised to be honest. He is.
Mara was raised to skulk around and try to play little games, and that happens in most "royal" courts. And she is always trying to see people's "real" motives. Wastes time. Like when she told Anakin he would never learn 'skullduggery' from Luke. So? Luke has done fine all his life without it. Better than Mara has, incidentally.....
She's bringing her life experience in. That's fine, but it's not better than everyone else's.
Leia grew up in a court, and she didn't bother with all the stuff Mara lived for. She worked, and ignored all the little intrigues. The difference is, she was raised by good people who loved her.
It's just another one of the little subtle things I don't like about Mara.
Thr real reason, I've never said. But it's a god one.
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