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Ulicus
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If you're not familiar with SOS, it's a great community (formerly in Lit) dedicated to seeing the authors write Luke Skywalker correctly and with the proper respect. Occasionally other topics are discussed but, at its heart, it's all Luke, Luke, Luke! 
SoS Version 1.0
SoS Version 2.0
Here's what Jedi Ben had to say at the start of 2.0.
Jedi Ben posted:
Well, since Genghis has locked the old one dueto it becoming too big of a monster thread, it falls to me to kick off the new one...
A bit of history first: Way back in Feb 2002 Skydancer decided she had enough of seeing Luke sidelined in NJO and posted the following:
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Date Posted: 2/10/02 6:22pm Subject: SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME... (Spoilers) - Date Edited: 9/11 10:50pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Genghis12
Why oh why, has Luke Skywalker, the man who is star wars, and the hero of the Original Trilogy, been put so far into the background in the NJO that he wasn't even in the latest book's Dramatis personae? His character has been badly written in the NJO, his roles are small, and he has accomplished little. I don't think it is time to retire Luke Skywalker yet... let alone DEAD!!!
He is still much, much, much, younger than Yoda, Obi-Wan, or even Anakin Skywalker, and
with so much more potential as compared to those three, why isn't he being portrayed to his fullest capability in the EU?
PLEASE HELP US with this thread to clamor, and shout to Del Rey and LFL to give this man better characterizations and larger, more useful roles. HELP US to make it known that he has fans out here who miss the Jedi Master and who are anxious to have the character we knew and loved brought back.
HELP US SAVE THE LEADER OF THE NEW JEDI ORDER - THE FATHER OF THE NEW SON OF SKYWALKER - YOU ARE HIS ONLY HOPE!
G12: 10K - Time for the next round.
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Hooray to all of you in SOS!!
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Three and half years on, 400+ pages and 10000+ posts, well, threads are only allowed to get so big hence this...
So where are we? Well, it's been the usual roller-coaster of good stuff, bad stuff. We have an eclectic mix of views that involve all sorts of combinations: Dislike NJO, like DE & Bantam, Dislike NJO & dislike DE and bits of Bantam, love NJO but loathes Luke's handling of it - literally anything and everything where Luke is concerned in the EU...
The most recent post-ROTJ EU book has been The Joiner King, which I loathed for the sheer darkness of the world presented, despite quite good characterisation: the latter got enshadowed by the former for me. Others were more enthusiastic and welcoming of it, which is par for the course for this thread.
So, to another few years of fun discussion of Luke and another 10,000 posts!
All welcome!
Doubtless, my apprentice COW will be along shortly... happy
Jedi Ben
Nearly everything still applies.
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s65horsey
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YAY!!!!
Finally the EUC gets a Luke thread! Welcome! We're so excited to have you. The EUC has been asking for a Luke thread recently, so this is perfect that you guys are coming to us.
Also, our spoiler policy is LOADS better than Lit.
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I'm not usually one to afflicted by the aliment of fanboyism, but I've gotta admit, I love me some Luke.
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I want the SOS thread BACK IN LITERATURE where it belongs! 
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Here's to seeing a well-written Luke in Shadows of Mindor.
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I've got faith in Stover. He should be really skilled at handling the dark and bloody battle of Mindor with Luke being so horrified at what's been done that he resigns his commission. I'm just hoping they don't have Luke take part in the atrocities.
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Really looking forward to Mindor myself.
It's so funny that Stover's reached such a level of acclaim in fandom without ever actually writing any of the OT Big 3, but I have faith that the book will live up to his reputation. Or at least, I'm hoping really hard. 
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Ditto. Most of Stover's books have been awesome. Didn't care much for Traitor, but that had to do more with who were the stars of that book than anything else.
Here's hoping this thread reaches 10,000 posts too. I don't really care what forum its in, as long as it continues. For the glory of Luke Skywalker! Not that the awesome character of Luke Skywalker needs help, but it gives us something to do in the long stretch between comics and novels.
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So the long lost sibling comes home. When all the other fan threads moved over in 2001, SoS was accidentally left behind. But now the move is finally complete.
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Actually it wasn't accidentally left behind. We created SOS because they forced us to create the NJO critics club in EUC. As one of the original members of SOS, it was created to stay in lit so we could keep a more visible thread there to discuss Luke in the books and how he was being written. Sos was never supposed to be here. I don't agree with this move.
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But what about all the other characters who've been written badly? They don't get threads in Lit. 
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I almost panicked when I saw that the SOS thread had been closed in Lit. Considering some of the threads that are in Lit I'm not sure allowing the SOS thread to stay there would have been that big of a deal. But I'm just glad to see SOS still going strong.
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I'm so confused
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darn I was hoping I would get the first post in from SOS version 2.
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a headsup from version 2.0, here are last posts.
Jedi Ben
Registered: Jul '99
Date Posted: 1/22 11:05am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0
MS86,
well as you said before wait for the TPB, also don't get any tie ins unless it involves someone you care for. besides the TPB won't be out until issues 1-8 are released and Marvel has been known for delays. expect it next year.
* True, but the artist is Yu who has a rep for being on time. In any case, my dissatisfaction with Marvel's grand plan is akin to my view of DC's Crisis epic - I don't care about it any more, it's gone on too long without a good conlusion or mini-conclusions along the way. An example of how to do an epic storyline? Cap and Iron Fist.
yeah I know issue 6 is pushed back to Febuary, well I hope it arrives late this spring. at least the new marvel select figure will be out by march.
* There's that.
how does this work for the NA ? does Luke know about this ? why did this Rand perish ?
* It wasn't a Rand, it was a man named Orson Randell who knew Wendall Rand. One thing: The storyline in Immortal Ion Fist is concluding in issue 14, which makes its first story a glorious 16-part epic! And it is indeed epic! Get the TPB if you're interested but be aware it's only the first 6 parts.
whoa there buddy, after Ultimates 2 it's proven that this Thor is also the real deal. My point is why does his powers come from his belt and not from him ?
* I see it as likely Odin blocked Thor's powers, gods are known to be unpredictable bastards at times.
like the 616 version. now with the new belt and traditional hammer, what's your theory ?
* I'm not following Ultimates 3 I'm afraid, so can't comment.
hence you liking the rogue squadron games.
* Well that and the opportunity to: Blow the Death Star, deck a Star Destroyer, do the Endor forest speeder bike run, destroy the Executor, fight the Battle of Endor - but that level is insanely hard.
ah ha, but isn't she asking mephisto to make Peter's life more enjoyable ?
* Well, as Nobody said, it could be just about anything but it's certainly a get-out-of-jail-free card.
* Oh and Marvel's cancelled The Order with issue 10, one of the best titles it had which really smarts.
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Date Posted: 1/22 12:49pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0
Hmmm.... I see we're getting very close to that magical 10,000th post point! I hope I get the 9,999th post. I always like the ones where the numbers in each digit are the same. They look pretty cool!
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I expected growth, not regressing two of them and killing the only one to get decent character development.
Yes, was it asking too much to DEVELOP them???
What I hate worse is that there isn't really any successor to the Big Three yet either. Or rather, there isn't anymore viable successor.
Yeah... they kinda shot themselves in the foot there...
Oh, yes!!!! And it could have been SO different! And we could have had the older and the younger generations working side by side and helping one another. The development of the relationships would have been great, and we would have gotten to know and respect the younger characters while seeing them interact with the older ones.
Something where they didn't lose half their IQ points every book? Where they learned from past mistakes and acted more mature rather than less mature as time went on?
Yes, is that so foreign an idea??
And the bubble... is NOT a bad thing!
Not at all! I hate worrying about which character I might lose in the next book!
I was enthusiastic. I raced out and bought VP release day!
So did *I*! I was so excited and so psyched. WOW! What a HUGE disappointment VP was! Amazingly though things went downhill fast from there, and VP ended up being one of the BETTER NJO books! That tells you a lot about what I thought of most of the rest of them!
A Prophet-Wormhole Alien-possessed his mother and got her together with his father. So he is... and isn't.
Well, from what you've just written, it sounds like he's just a normal human whose mother was influenced to do something she probably wouldn't have done by an alien.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'm not all that terrific at writing dialogue.
*Ahem* I read that L/M fic you wrote. So I'd protest that.
Well, thanks for saying that, but I know it was pretty amateur.
Yeah, people forget that change is... neutral. It is simply different from what came before. It can be good OR bad.
Exactly! And if the change is going to be bad, you're better off NOT making the change at all, in my opinion!
It's rather lazy, actually. Sometimes death is the natural end expected end of a character's arc. And sometimes it's an excuse for 'OMG'tehdramaaaaaaaaa!!11!!!'
Yes, I've seen it used as an excuse for drama far too often.
Change that involves character growth rather than character regression, for one thing.
All of that... said it better than I could've.
Thanks, Striker, but I'd say you said it very well.
And does a character HAVE to die for the reader to "get" that there is danger???
I never thought so. I was always wondering, 'How are they gonna get out of this?'
Exactly!
Master_Starwalker
It seems like it would be the most pulp-like portrayal, so that's what I'm hoping for.
Same here!
Ulicus
This is Luke Skywalker from a Marvel comic, with some edited dialog of my own devising. The main problem with Luke is that Mark Hamill looks like a big (well, short) wet blanket of sniffles and tears (except in ESB, where he looks vaguely cool).
I guess I disagree. I like the kind of vulnerable, compassionate look in an heroic character. And I would say that Luke looked VERY COOL in RotJ in the fight on Jabba's sail barge and in the lightsaber duel with his father. It's the combination of "farmboy" and Jedi Master that I find very appealing. I really LIKE the image we already have for Luke. I don't think we need a new one.
The dude's a bona fide hero. He needs a better visual representation.
I agree that Luke's a "bona fide" hero. But I like the package he already comes in, thanks!
MasterSkywalker86
see comics are good for you as for books I pretend that I don't own 6 books of LOTF.;)
Well, I wouldn't say they're "good for me". I don't really like the comic format. There's just not enough "meat" there. You can read a comic book in 15 minutes or less, and that's with taking time to gaze at the pretty pictures. But at the moment, only KotoR really feels like the OT SW to me. It's actually very disappointing.
perhaps DR will take a hint ?
Del Rey didn't take the hint during the 4 years of the NJO when they lost so many fans and got so many letters from people, so I don't see them taking the hint, no.
I think it would be best to split apart the kids from the Big 3, only a handful of authors can incorporate the generations together. At this point they might as well have separate novels.
It's disappointing to say so, because I've always thought we should have Jedi Masters and their younger apprentices working together, but somehow, the authors haven't been able to pull that off, so maybe they do just need to separate the stories.
Beautiful instead of holding the character back, lets have him achieve his potential.
Thanks! That's exactly what I meant! Unfortunately, I can't seem to say what I mean in less than ten sentences.
right all we got was misery, regression, darkness, I mean even after reading Sacrifice I couldn't understand how Mara's death somehow made him a Sith Lord.
You know, MS, I don't understand it either. I mean, if Jacen would have killed Mara in cold blood, I maybe could have seen it. But the way it was written, Mara came after JACEN, and if he hadn't killed her, Mara would have killed HIM. As far as I'm concerned, it really seemed to me that Jacen killed Mara in self-defense. So how did that make him a Sith? I thought it was much worse when he killed Nelani.
Instead of making the sacrifice something not so obvious, like i dunno it doesn't have to be a person.....they make it Mara....just cuz....lame
I agree.
Exactly, read DN and you just get nauseated. though I did like the scene with Luke holding 40 killiks in the force, should have swatted them.
Yes, like flies! He should have had a huge flyswatter instead of a lightsaber!
lol, though it doesn't say much for Jacen exp.
LOL!
yes, I felt it was rather lame in Onslaught for Luke to fall asleep after doing the dovin basil trick.
Very definitely!
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Date Posted: 1/22 1:26pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0
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I guess I disagree. I like the kind of vulnerable, compassionate look in an heroic character. And I would say that Luke looked VERY COOL in RotJ in the fight on Jabba's sail barge and in the lightsaber duel with his father. It's the combination of "farmboy" and Jedi Master that I find very appealing. I really LIKE the image we already have for Luke. I don't think we need a new one.
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Superman was a farmboy.
I couldn't find Luke remotely cool in RotJ, because... well, he just looked a bit odd. And He-Man can look vulnerable and compassionate.
Granted, when he does, he's usually in a pink leotard or whatever... but....
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I agree that Luke's a "bona fide" hero. But I like the package he already comes in, thanks!
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Ah, fair dos.
Just throwing it out there.
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Date Posted: 1/22 7:52pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0
Just wanted to de-lurk to say "Hiya" and make a few quick comments.
Charlemagne: Hope your dad is well on the road to a complete recovery.
Child of Winds, I’ve noticed in past communications that we’re of similar taste. I very much enjoyed Sisko and the gang on DS9, for whatever that’s worth.
It’s all very depressing isn’t it??? It completely negates all of the struggles and sacrifices of the Big Three and their friends and family.” Child of Winds
That’s why I quit reading stories set in my favorite universe. I've put books down feeling disappointed and cheated, even if I rent from the library. It's expensive, certainly, but it meant more to me than a transaction. Ultimately, this isn't the SW I grew up with and I just don't relate to the characters in the NJO and LOTF. This sounds so silly, but I’ve not watched the OT because I’m worried that the hurt I still feel after reading NJO and bits of LOTF will somehow bruise my OT viewing enjoyment. I gotta say "Thanks" to SSM, Dart and Striker for the humorous takes on the Death of JINO. That Kirk dialogue was spot on! Nobody145: I always liked Pikachu and wanted one of my own!
I’m also bummed to hear about the Spiderman retcon. I always liked Peter/Spiderman and MJ as a couple. I like to think she whispered, "Amor Vincit Omnia".
MS86 asks what we’re reading nowadays. I’ve been re-reading Bujold, Poe and, for something completely different ; ), Suze Orman’s Road to Wealth.
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Date Posted: 1/22 8:19pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0 - Date Edited: 1/22 8:19pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ChildOfWinds
Ulicus
Superman was a farmboy.
I guess I like farmboys turned superheroes.
I couldn't find Luke remotely cool in RotJ, because... well, he just looked a bit odd.
Odd??? How so??
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Just wanted to de-lurk to say "Hiya" and make a few quick comments.
KD!!!! Hi! Happy New Year!
Charlemagne: Hope your dad is well on the road to a complete recovery.
I'll second that! How IS your father doing, C???
Child of Winds, I’ve noticed in past communications that we’re of similar taste. I very much enjoyed Sisko and the gang on DS9, for whatever that’s worth.
Thanks! I'll have to give it a try one of these days!
That’s why I quit reading stories set in my favorite universe. I've put books down feeling disappointed and cheated, even if I rent from the library. Ultimately, this isn't the SW I grew up with and I just don't relate to the characters in the NJO and LOTF.
I know. It definitely ISN'T the SW we used to know and love. It's really sad.
This sounds so silly, but I’ve not watched the OT because I’m worried that the hurt I still feel after reading NJO and bits of LOTF will somehow bruise my OT viewing enjoyment.
I can actually understand that. Maybe with the passage of a little more time, that may change. I haven't watched the films in a very long time either. I'm not really sure why.
MS86 asks what we’re reading nowadays. I’ve been re-reading Bujold, Poe and, for something completely different ; ), Suze Orman’s Road to Wealth.
I just finished The Kite Runner. It's not my usual kind of reading material, but my cousin recommended it, and I did find it to be an excellent, though dark story. It's ending was hopeful and it's theme was redemption.
Did you read the next book in Bujold's knife series? I didn't really like the first one, so I didn't read the next. I just LOVE her Myles Vorkosigan books though.
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you know after reading what the original maker of SOS, Skydancer, intended for the the thread. I wonder how many books since NJO have we seen Luke and Co with better portrayals ?
the ones that I can think of is TUF, SQ, Betrayal, and possibly Inferno.
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