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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/24 3:00pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/24 4:08pm (2 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	hey ladies and gentlemen, I have a request now seeing that we have 2 SOS threads and since JediBen is the resident maker of the Lit version, I was wondering when we hit the 10,000 mark over here if I could make the next one ? if nobody minds.... Marvel topic ok we need to discuss issues 22-24 and the oneshot of Winter Soldier and issue 36......is that STEVE ?!?!?!? I had some fun with these issues, cast of characters are really strong and each individual story arc ties nifty with the main one. I'm shock that Faustus has been altering Sharon's mind, does this mean Ms. Carter does not voluntarily love Steve ? where the heck is Fury hiding ? and why hasn't Maria Hill been fired yet ? Bucky trying to redeemed himself was great, I felt his tribulations on the acts he had no control over. but as Fury said "Kid it wasn't you." this outside of the Spider-man issues of Civil War were the best. I think I might as well buy the winter volume arcs to have them all. outside of Cap, I hear Bob Gale fails with dialogue in his story arc...which is LAME!!! I dunno why they had to have 3 writers on Spider-man, it's almost like LOTF and Marvel share a lot of similarities in ideas. 3 authors writing a series, Family and friends fighting each other in a civil war, though while it work for Marvel, SW needs some type period of peace here.....it's just overkill. back to topic I hear Slott and the other guy are alright, so I might just avoid Gale's story. now here's the catch I'm going to get the Last Iron Fist story, I wouldn't mind to hear what works and what doesn't and same for the volume 7 of Avengers. also aside of disappointments that the whole One More Day fiasco, I hope it'll be worth it like Avengers Disassembled when we got New Avengers in the end. The thing with New Avengers is it's really missing Cap, we have Hawkeye back which is great, a newbie like me gets to enjoy this character and Iron Fist, along with past faves Spidey and Cage, but where is the vocal heart and soul of the team especially when there is a huge crisis to stop ? as for the new animated Spectacular Spider-man I recommend it to all Spidey fans it uses a mix of each version of Spidey presented from plots and character introductions revolving the classic tales of Stan and Dikto to more modern themes of Bendis Ultimate run. at it's heart it faithful to the Spider-man stories like the 90's cartoon. also I hear news that they won't make another Fantastic Four movie ?!?!?!?! now I know I must be one of the few people who enjoy it, but u have to take the movies for what they are fun light hearted summer blockbusters. They're not going to be movie classics like Burton's goth take on Batman or the modern Batman Begins, but they're enjoyable for what they're. Personally I would like to see another one with the skrulls, it would be nice to involve the characters as they have matured in the second and they deal with an impending invasion of shapeshifters. plus it would be nice if they can finally get Doom's voice for the part. Transformers.... the animated series is not bad, not as good as say Beast Wars but it's defintely above the Armada stuff. The cartoon can be a bit campy with the human characters but in the end run it's pretty faithful to G1....which is what we grew up on. RK i expect multple discussions with this series I'm caught up on ep 13, I only miss about 2 eps. for the upcoming sequel, I really hope for more dialogue and characterization of the Autobots and what's left of the Cons. and am I the only whowould like Jazz brought back ? and now back to Luke..... okay I'm still avoiding the Legacy volume 2 arc for now, but I wouldn't mind some spoilers on exactly what's the status quo. I know the basic premise of at least Cade's story which presents Luke's second cameo, which was equally powerful and stunning. You think we'll witness another display like that ? for Luke in the flesh who has a feeling he'll end the war like the last 2 ? and what are the chances that Invincible will be more like Betrayal ? I'm all burnt out on SW and if I hear another issue of Spider-man fails to deliver I might lose what little hope of this new direction. Star Wars used to be my main book source of entertainment but now it's anything but...sigh and I dunno it would be nice if we got a tv series dealing with POST ROTJ material.....the franchise is too focused on PT stuff again...sigh JB * The terrorists in Extremis would disagree. i bet, but he only use it to open up the van....cept with Mallen he left Tony no choice. * Actually Castle is, in Ennis' stories, far more focused on specific criminals. Even he knows you can't get them all but take out the lynchpins and a greater effect is the result. He's also supremely careful in his aiming - no dead or injured civilians ever. that's good to hear, but I guess it really depends on your taste and Castle has always been anti-hero in book. * I don't see Cap and the Punisher being utterly opposed, if anything they are far closer than Cap would like to admit which was Fraction's point with the first War Journal arc: Castle is very much what Rogers may have become had he gone to Vietnam. The only way the Punisher works is with enemies who are so depraved and evil that they have to be killed because nothing else will ever stop them. Parker says the same thing in Civil War, but Cap corrects him by telling him Castle is insane. In my opinion I feel Cap would be sorta like he is now in the modern timeline, wiser and would not kill after the war, especially with Vietnam. it's true the wars alter their perspectives in life and ultimately made them what they're today, but it really lies in choice between the two characters. Castle's family was killed by guns so he decides to return the favor, part of Cap's "family" died in the war and I haven't seen him pick up a gun to avenge them. RK I'll be mostly posting here, but popping into the lit. thread every now and then. good to hear, this will be my domain too. Lit will be my vacation home My favorite bad guy was Megatron... then again, I got into transformers when I was five. he turned into a gun, what 5yr old could not say no to that ? "Yeah, I know. All these years have been a waste." at least in Bantam he accomplish bringing back the jedi and there was PEACE!!!! Tenienel was um...very vigorous in CoPL Everyone was. Good lord, did everyone get a hormone injection or something in that novel? It was crazy at least Luke showed restraint but still I wish Teninel would have end up with Luke at least for a date. who knows they could have had TK in a AU..;) all hell it turn to Starship Troopers. the movie version, mind you. Not the awesome book. the movie version was like American Pie with Bugs...have you ever seen the cartoon series Roughnecks ? that nailed the feel of the books and had the characters faithfully portrayed. except Dizzy but I perfer the character as a girl. right which just leaves a void that keeps getting bigger with every death. And they're not creating anyone to fill the gap, either! it's like a neverending holocaust. right, though they should have left TigerHawk alive....that poor hybrid. yeah, would've been nice. Although no way Depth Charge for to live. He went out the way he should've. I agree he wanted Protoform X and in the end he got his revenge...no worries for that Autobot. Now did Depth Charge's spark survived ? I really forget. the ending was great, they put Megatron outside the ship ....lol. what did you thnk of Beast Machines by the way ? and exactly what happen to the Autobots like Bumblebee ? Look at the size of that thing!" "The Death Star?" "No, Boba Fett's ego!" bravo!!! hard to think of one after that. "What a wonderful smell you discovered." Fett-"sorry" IP You mean in the books? I wouldn't think so, but DR seems to disagree. They've had a very odd approach to portraying characters like they were playing darts on one throw they may get close to a bullseye and the next shot might not even land on the dartboard. they always have him do something in the end, but throughout the story you wondered "why didn't Luke just finish things himself ?" as for actual Screentime in future media it would have been nice to get some things post ROTJ on the little screen at least. Anyway, do you understand what I mean when I say I'm against extravagant uses of the force all the time especially for Jedi like Luke? yeah, no I hear ya, I don't like him as a deus ex machina but I wouldn't mind more points of his power. and despiste Yoda's display of power it was only a landing fleet where he wasn't being fired upon, so he had time to focused. I'm not against using it when the time is right, but I'm against using mega-ultimate-super force powers being used as a cureall for peddling obstacles because the loss of dramatic effect it would have on the story. true I don't mind seeing their extreme points from time to time but yes yur right they should be few and far between. heck the actor of the Secret Apprentice got me rattled with this qoute...I don't remember it all but he stated the Apprentice is what luke would have become under Vader's tutelage...and seeing what the Apprentice does got me ticked...The last time I was impressed with Luke's Force feats was when he telekinetically lifted 40 killiks or when he force deflected pellets, or his saber display in TUF. wouldn't mind actually seeing this on a COMIC or some sort of visul MEDIUM!!! Child It does indeed. I'm hoping we can keep both threads active. I will probably post the most in Lit, but I'll be here almost every day for a post as well. that's good to hear, as I stated this is my home but I'll post once in a while in Lit. I liked the one where Luke "schooled Jacen". me too, I would like to see more use of Force powers but what the heck. I want a force duel like say about 30 pages thicked to show what a long and grueling batle it was. I thought I remember reading that as well. It certainly doesn't seem like LotF is Luke's Legacy. Luke doesn't seem to HAVE much of a Legacy left. maybe Invincible will throw us a bone.... -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/24 3:58pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MS86 that's good to hear, but I guess it really depends on your taste and Castle has always been anti-hero in book. * As introductions to the Punisher go, you cannot beat Welcome Back Frank, a 12-issue story of action and black humour. You'll end up liking it knowing you shouldn't. Parker says the same thing in Civil War, but Cap corrects him by telling him Castle is insane. In my opinion I feel Cap would be sorta like he is now in the modern timeline, wiser and would not kill after the war, especially with Vietnam. it's true the wars alter their perspectives in life and ultimately made them what they're today, but it really lies in choice between the two characters. Castle's family was killed by guns so he decides to return the favor, part of Cap's "family" died in the war and I haven't seen him pick up a gun to avenge them. * I think this is where Ennis' take on Castle really succeeds, that it's about more than just his family being killed - Punisher: Born is the story to read on this take. ok we need to discuss issues 22-24 and the oneshot of Winter Soldier and issue 36......is that STEVE ?!?!?!? * Possibly a version of, but what and how? I had some fun with these issues, cast of characters are really strong and each individual story arc ties nifty with the main one. I'm shock that Faustus has been altering Sharon's mind, does this mean Ms. Carter does not voluntarily love Steve ? where the heck is Fury hiding ? and why hasn't Maria Hill been fired yet ? * I don't think so, speeded up? Probably, but the feelings were true. As for Hill, who knows? Bucky trying to redeemed himself was great, I felt his tribulations on the acts he had no control over. but as Fury said "Kid it wasn't you." this outside of the Spider-man issues of Civil War were the best. I think I might as well buy the winter volume arcs to have them all. * It's only one of the best long arcs I know with all issues fitting together perfectly. now here's the catch I'm going to get the Last Iron Fist story, I wouldn't mind to hear what works and what doesn't and same for the volume 7 of Avengers. * Iron Fist is perfect, you'll love the opening. The Trust is very odd as paranoia rages, Tigra is beaten up in a sequence that has become far more damning due to the lack of follow-up on it, then there's the cliffhanger ending which, instead of being cool like Iron Fist's feels more of a tease. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/24 4:19pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	JB * As introductions to the Punisher go, you cannot beat Welcome Back Frank, a 12-issue story of action and black humour. You'll end up liking it knowing you shouldn't. see i might laugh at a few but dark humor isn't really my bag....pictures Miller's Batman and chuckles...."rubber bullets...honest". * I think this is where Ennis' take on Castle really succeeds, that it's about more than just his family being killed - Punisher: Born is the story to read on this take. it seems to me like Death is actually speaking to him to become what he becomes. it seems he had like I dunno a supernatural help for all the damage he dishes in the story. * Possibly a version of, but what and how? the newsarama has him denied the clone, skrull, or the invader possibilty....but it seems too soon that Steve is back...what do you think ? * I don't think so, speeded up? Probably, but the feelings were true. As for Hill, who knows? glad to hear it, they did had a past after all. I hope the further issues confirmed it. I suppose Faustus was using that love against Cap in a way. I read issue 25, so it's a shockening twist. * It's only one of the best long arcs I know with all issues fitting together perfectly. well I have the winter volumes left and whenever Death of a Dream hits stores in paperback. * Iron Fist is perfect, you'll love the opening. The Trust is very odd as paranoia rages, Tigra is beaten up in a sequence that has become far more damning due to the lack of follow-up on it, then there's the cliffhanger ending which, instead of being cool like Iron Fist's feels more of a tease. IronFist is my next buy...so is Trust worth my money ?!??? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 3/24 5:43pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	DurronFan: Last couple of months I've been travelling (been to Estonia, India and France), so haven't had the time post anything. Sounds awesome, dude. So what's been the discussion here about? I realize the thread seems to be in the process of relocation and a new name. It's... complicated. ChildOfWinds: I really agree with this. The characters will never recover from what they've been through. There can never really be a "happy ending" for Luke, Leia, or Han OR Ben. They passed the point of no return, really. Too much, too much. Even if Jacen is someday redeemed, they can never forget what he did. Every time they look at him, it will be with pain. And they can NEVER get Anakin or Mara back again. Killer of Luke's wife, twister of Ben's soul. Burner of Kashyyyk, despot a'la Palpatine. What a great path to take his character down. Right, but at least we DID see them there. I don't remember ever seeing any of them in the Empire. And they spoke with a British accent, to boot. I always wondered what would've happened if Piett asked Han about that in ROTJ. "Why don't you speak properly?" "Ah... punch it, Chewie!" I would love to read the story about Mara's origin! I do hope Zahn will write that someday. In a few fics I've written, she's Kenobi's daughter. This was before the 'no attachment' shavit, mind you. I actually thought having an Artoo recording of this was rather silly. So why didn't Artoo show it to Luke long ago? [I... know who Luke's mother is. Should I tell him? Nah! Let him suffer and search!] Artoo's sassy, not a sadist. Where is this List posted again? I'd like a link too, please. I completely agree! AND, if ANYONE went, it should have been Luke and Mara. They were used to Myrkr in the first place and had the best chance to go in undetected under one of Luke's Fallanasi illusions and gotten back out. You've got Luke-Jedi Master who's proven time and time again that he doesn't need the Force to kick butt. Mara-deadly assassin and all-around tough girl who can get it done, trained by the best of the EMpire. Kyle Katarn-who carries more guns than most stormie platoons and, overrated or not, is still a powerful Jedi Master. Wedge Antilles-who trained Wraith Squadron, deadliest group of counter insurgents in the New Republic and best damned pilot in the galaxy. There's your strike team! Anyone else anybody think would be a good idea? And I never did understand what would keep the Vong from making another voxyn? If you can make one, surely you can make another? It was very difficult to make a stable Voxyn Queen that didn't suffer from rapid aging and cellular breakdown like the others. With it gone and the lab destroyed-and most/all knowledge lost on how to recreate it, it'd be near impossible to replicate it. CLone one of the drones, and the biological problems would be worse, I reckon. Here's how Ackbar should've reacted to Sien Sovv's ineptitude. Good job! Thanks. Wanna read his first planning session? And yes, Lusa and Lyric and Anakin's death cheesed me off something fierce! How dare those characters be brushed aside for no damned good reason? I agree! Some more of the next generation killed off for no/bad reasons. Sigh I find that very annoying actually! Luke too, has regressed instead of grown...all the characters have! They matured in the Bantam novels and learned. In ways, despite the haphazard nature of the books, better than Del Rey. Del Rey has no excuse for the slipshod characterization. MasterSkywalker86: hey ladies and gentlemen, I have a request now seeing that we have 2 SOS threads and since JediBen is the resident maker of the Lit version, I was wondering when we hit the 10,000 mark over here if I could make the next one ? if nobody minds.... That's a looong way off, but I don't mind. the animated series is not bad, not as good as say Beast Wars but it's defintely above the Armada stuff. Being not as good as Beast Wars is damnign with faint praise. It's the second-highest high point of the franchise, IMHO. The cartoon can be a bit campy with the human characters but in the end run it's pretty faithful to G1....which is what we grew up on. lol, sometimes campy works.[/primal] RK i expect multple discussions with this series I'm caught up on ep 13, I only miss about 2 eps. Cool. for the upcoming sequel, I really hope for more dialogue and characterization of the Autobots and what's left of the Cons. and am I the only whowould like Jazz brought back ? So do I. And... sorry, but I'd like him to stay dead. It'd cheapen it if he was brought back, especially since he fought to the end against Megatron. "You want a piece of me?" okay I'm still avoiding the Legacy volume 2 arc for now, but I wouldn't mind some spoilers on exactly what's the status quo. I just bought that today, actually. Haven't read it yet, though. good to hear, this will be my domain too. Lit will be my vacation home Heh, a summer cottage? he turned into a gun, what 5yr old could not say no to that ? And he had some truly badass lines, too. "Extinction to all traitors!" "Their defenses are broken. Let the slaughter begin!" I got the reissue of his original 1984 toy and the Masterpiece version. Sweet beyond sweet. at least in Bantam he accomplish bringing back the jedi and there was PEACE!!!! And he was happy, with family and friends. And a home too. It was crazy at least Luke showed restraint but still I wish Teninel would have end up with Luke at least for a date. who knows they could have had TK in a AU..;) I've heard a fan theory about that a time or two, actually. I... wouldn't have minded Teneniel with Luke, either. A lot better than Akanah or Callista. Although my favorite's still Tionne. the movie version was like American Pie with Bugs...have you ever seen the cartoon series Roughnecks ? Nope. Sounds interesting, though. I agree he wanted Protoform X and in the end he got his revenge...no worries for that Autobot. Now did Depth Charge's spark survived ? I really forget. Nope. Both died at the end, victims of their hate and pain. what did you thnk of Beast Machines by the way ? Haven't seen Beast Machines in so long. Not even sure if I finished it, either. bravo!!! applause hard to think of one after that. "What a wonderful smell you discovered." Fett-"sorry" lol, thanks. Another good one from you, too. Hmm... Fett. "Am I a good guy? A bad guy?" Everyone else. "You're a loser!" Jedi_Ben: I got Day of the Vipers today. Ho, wow. What an awesome cover... I can't wait to read! I got Legacy volume 2 also. Would anyone like a review after I finish it? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/25 12:59am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	RK, You know the books of all 3 volumes form a single cover for Terok Nor? And yes, by all means review Shards. MS86, see i might laugh at a few but dark humor isn't really my bag....pictures Miller's Batman and chuckles...."rubber bullets...honest". * I find the notion of the Punisher & a load of Mafia in a zoo quite funny, after all, what's the worst that can happen? it seems to me like Death is actually speaking to him to become what he becomes. it seems he had like I dunno a supernatural help for all the damage he dishes in the story. * Ah, sounds like you've read it - that's it. It does make for a different view. the newsarama has him denied the clone, skrull, or the invader possibilty....but it seems too soon that Steve is back...what do you think ? * I've learnt that guessing Ed Brubaker is as foolish as trying to anticipate John Ostrander, just sit back and enjoy the ride, the arc goes to #50. Well I have the winter volumes left and whenever Death of a Dream hits stores in paperback. * That'll be a while, really don't care for the Premiere HCs. IronFist is my next buy...so is Trust worth my money ?!??? * If you're sure you'll buy the next volume and Secret Invasion, maybe. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/25 11:48am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	A non-spoiler review of Star Trek: Terok Nor: A saga of The Lost Era: Day Of The vipers 2318-2328. Yes, you read that right, yes it's a Star Trek book; yes, it covers ten years in a single book and yes, book is 500 pages and very little of it filler. This opening shot of the full story of Cardassia's 60-year occupation of Bajor is artfully done: It gives Cardassia a rational motive for its interest in Bajor, it makes the Bajorans far from innocent, yet never damns them or lets the Cardassians off the hook either. The Bajorans didn't know what they were letting themselves in for, where for Cardassia it was the plan from day one. Those familar with DSN will recognise quite a few concepts and references: Esso Jara, the leader of the Circle, which is shown to predate the Occupation proper, the Bajoran caste system and its effects upon people. Yet there's other new stuff in here that is intriguing: Cardassia's slow turning against the religious Oralians, who used to run Cardassia on religious lines. A surprisingly sympathetic Dukat, who loses none of his malevolence or charm as he works his way up the command ladder. In the end it is the Bajorans who undo themselves, as they expose their vulnerabilities to Cardassian manipulation and then react in precisely the way they are supposed to, for in preferring emotion and sentiment over reason, they blind themselves to their enemies' activity. Not only that, but they are far from united, with caste and clan rivalries taking precedence over any notion of the common good. In sum, this is a subtle and rewarding story of surprising depth as we're shown just how much we did not know of the actual history, yet many of the pieces were right in front of us, it was a case of some assembly required. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/25 12:08pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/25 12:30pm (2 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	JB Ben you mind if I make the version 2.0 of our EUC counterpart when we hit 10,000 ? * I find the notion of the Punisher & a load of Mafia in a zoo quite funny, after all, what's the worst that can happen? Lions, Tigers, and Castle Oh my! it seems to me like Death is actually speaking to him to become what he becomes. it seems he had like I dunno a supernatural help for all the damage he dishes in the story. * Ah, sounds like you've read it - that's it. It does make for a different view. I hope this isn't the same death that Thanos was infatuated with... * I've learnt that guessing Ed Brubaker is as foolish as trying to anticipate John Ostrander, just sit back and enjoy the ride, the arc goes to #50. same goes for Fraction, who's going to be killed off in Order #10 ? * That'll be a while, really don't care for the Premiere HCs. me either, it's the same size of the regular trades..o well at least I can get caught up with the first two volumes. I dunno what exactly hooks me to the story, the fact all the pieces fit together ?, the multple plot twists, the strong characterizations, and the fact the bad guys are portrayed as really evil people and the good guys are portrayed as the heroes they are. my only complaint is the heroes haven't achieved a victory yet over Skull. * That'll be a while, really don't care for the Premiere HCs. me either, it's the same size of the regular trades and it doesn't quite justify the extra 5 bucks cause it's more durable. Well I have the winter volumes left and whenever Death of a Dream hits stores in paperback. * If you're sure you'll buy the next volume and Secret Invasion, maybe. Well Secret Invasion seems promising, as IGN are totally estatic over it. Though I don't agree with the artist they chose for the crossover I think Bendis can pull it off. Ben what comics are you following now adays ? Not that I'm done with Marvel, but with Brand New Day not panning out well, that means a lack of Spidey for me until they start bring back the marriage. there's no way I can defend what they did, I fail to see how Joe Q can make me understand that Peter being single is somehow going to bring out new story ideas. It's like you said there is no progression for the character and they can't effectively think of new ideas for Peter's story. which leaves yet another void in my prefer reading...first SW and now Spider-man ???? despite some of the bad stories during the 20 yrs we had some good ones too. I would feel worse if it wasn't for the movies and the tv series. The only comics I can follow Peter is in New Avemgers. It's sad when his own flagship title is suffering like this while his Ultimate counterpoint is making huge progress. Now your probably saying why don't I follow Ultimate Spider-man, the reason is I don't care for the universe. The Ultimates, Ultimate FF and Ult Spider-man were good stories but they aren't the characters that I grew on. Granted the universe deals with more realism but I enjoy the fantasy take in the stories, besides I don't go to comics for huge realism. the titles I probably will follow is Captain America until #50....the writer has to be phenomal to fill in those shoes New Avengers and just bought Iron Fist volume 1, now if it's as good as you say then I'll stay with this series. Mark Miller's FF and Mark Waid's run I'll buy later on but back to topic what is your favorite Batman trades ? and any top Modern Spider-man tales that might be relevant ? RK That's a looong way off, but I don't mind. thanks, now gotta see if the rest are alright with it. the animated series is not bad, not as good as say Beast Wars but it's defintely above the Armada stuff. Being not as good as Beast Wars is damnign with faint praise. It's the second-highest high point of the franchise, IMHO. I'm sure I don't quite follow what do you mean ? campy with the human characters but in the end run it's pretty faithful to G1....which is what we grew up on. lol, sometimes campy works.[/primal] I like the robots with the campiness, but the human characters could be further worked on. what do you enjoy or hate with the series ? RK i expect multple discussions with this series I'm caught up on ep 13, I only miss about 2 eps. Cool. such as what do you think of the new villans and the new take on the classic ones ? same for the Autobots ? whowould like Jazz brought back ? So do I. And... sorry, but I'd like him to stay dead. It'd cheapen it if he was brought back, especially since he fought to the end against Megatron. "You want a piece of me?" sigh just bothers me that we lost an Autobot and a really cool at that so quickly. he was defending the people, while the big guns IH and Ratchet fled the scene... okay I'm still avoiding the Legacy volume 2 arc for now, but I wouldn't mind some spoilers on exactly what's the status quo. I just bought that today, actually. Haven't read it yet, though. tell me what you think good to hear, this will be my domain too. Lit will be my vacation home Heh, a summer cottage? something like that. And he had some truly badass lines, too. "Extinction to all traitors!" "Their defenses are broken. Let the slaughter begin!" I liked the 1986 movie lines as well. I got the reissue of his original 1984 toy and the Masterpiece version. Sweet beyond sweet. I remember back in the day I had original Bumblebee, and two others that I don't recall the names. the only one I have now is Movie verision of Bumblebee looking foreward to the redco. I've heard a fan theory about that a time or two, actually. I... wouldn't have minded Teneniel with Luke, either. A lot better than Akanah or Callista. Although my favorite's still Tionne. dunno why the authors didn't actively follow this through. the movie version was like American Pie with Bugs...have you ever seen the cartoon series Roughnecks ? Nope. Sounds interesting, though. check it out on youtube, the series is much more statisfying then the movie ever was and brought the other alien race from the books. my only beef is they never wrapped up the show with its conclusion. his revenge...no worries for that Autobot. Now did Depth Charge's spark survived ? I really forget. Nope. Both died at the end, victims of their hate and pain. how sad, yet I doubt DepthCharge would want it any other way. I like Dinobot II's redemption at the end too. what did you thnk of Beast Machines by the way ? Haven't seen Beast Machines in so long. Not even sure if I finished it, either. the ending was rather happy while the rest of the series had a dark tone. I wonder what exactly happen to the Autobots, we did had a original Decepticon pop by...Ravage anyone ? so where's Optimus and Bumblebee ? Another good one from you, too. Hmm... Fett. "Am I a good guy? A bad guy?" Everyone else. "You're a loser!" I think you won this round I'm out of ideas. but I'll return..... I got Legacy volume 2 also. Would anyone like a review after I finish it? go for it -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/25 1:56pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MasterSkywalker86 I was wondering when we hit the 10,000 mark over here if I could make the next one ? if nobody minds.... MS, the day that we will need a new version of SOS here is probably YEARS away, but if it's okay with everyone else, it's fine with me! I know the basic premise of at least Cade's story which presents Luke's second cameo, which was equally powerful and stunning. You think we'll witness another display like that ? I certainly HOPE so!!!! The more Luke, the better! what are the chances that Invincible will be more like Betrayal ? Since it looks like Jaina and not Luke will be the big hero of Invincible, I'm not overly optimistic. But I'd certainly LOVE to be proven wrong! I dunno it would be nice if we got a tv series dealing with POST ROTJ material.....the franchise is too focused on PT stuff again...sigh I definitely agree with that! It was crazy at least Luke showed restraint but still I wish Teninel would have end up with Luke at least for a date. She certainly seemed to want LUKE! I wouldn't think so, but DR seems to disagree. They've had a very odd approach to portraying characters like they were playing darts on one throw they may get close to a bullseye and the next shot might not even land on the dartboard. I'd say that almost ALL of them don't land on the dartboard! I don't like him as a deus ex machina but I wouldn't mind more points of his power. I agree, MS. Luke is only unleashed very, VERY infrequently. It IS disappointing! that's good to hear, as I stated this is my home but I'll post once in a while in Lit. Please do! I'd like to keep both threads active, if possible. me too, I would like to see more use of Force powers but what the heck. I want a force duel like say about 30 pages thicked to show what a long and grueling batle it was. LOL! maybe Invincible will throw us a bone.... We can hope! RK_Striker_JK_5 Killer of Luke's wife, twister of Ben's soul. Burner of Kashyyyk, despot a'la Palpatine. Yeah, it's not exactly something one can forget! In a few fics I've written, she's Kenobi's daughter. I read a story a LONG time ago in a fanzine in which Mara was Kenobi's daughter. I actually like the idea. You've got Luke-Jedi Master who's proven time and time again that he doesn't need the Force to kick butt. Mara-deadly assassin and all-around tough girl who can get it done, trained by the best of the EMpire. Kyle Katarn-who carries more guns than most stormie platoons and, overrated or not, is still a powerful Jedi Master. Wedge Antilles-who trained Wraith Squadron, deadliest group of counter insurgents in the New Republic and best damned pilot in the galaxy. There's your strike team! EXACTLY!!! Instead, they send a bunch of green TEENAGERS!!!! AGH!!! How STUPID can you get!! Thanks. Wanna read his first planning session? Sure! Del Rey has no excuse for the slipshod characterization. Del Rey has truly ruined so much of the SW universe, continuity, and characters! Jedi Ben A non-spoiler review of Star Trek: Terok Nor: A saga of The Lost Era: Day Of The vipers 2318-2328. Yes, you read that right, yes it's a Star Trek book; yes, it covers ten years in a single book and yes, book is 500 pages and very little of it filler. WOW! A book over 300 pages!!! Thanks for the review!
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/25 2:54pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	COW, Small print too. MS86, Ben you mind if I make the version 2.0 of our EUC counterpart when we hit 10,000 ? * If I'm not around, Ok; if I am, you'll have to beat me to it, young one. Lions, Tigers, and Castle Oh my! * Did I mention a tank of piranhas? same goes for Fraction, who's going to be killed off in Order #10 ? * Uncertain, it's not out yet and would I tell you? I dunno what exactly hooks me to the story, the fact all the pieces fit together ?, the multple plot twists, the strong characterizations, and the fact the bad guys are portrayed as really evil people and the good guys are portrayed as the heroes they are. my only complaint is the heroes haven't achieved a victory yet over Skull. * That'll come. Well Secret Invasion seems promising, as IGN are totally estatic over it. Though I don't agree with the artist they chose for the crossover I think Bendis can pull it off. * Well, I'll be monitoring developments. Ben what comics are you following now adays ? * Well, my list for April goes like this: Avatar: Black Summer 6 Dark Horse: Star Wars Dark Times 10 Star Wars Legacy 22 Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic 27 Star Wars Legacy 23 Star Wars Rebellion 13 DC: All Star Batman & Robin The Boy Wonder 10 Justice Society Of America 14 Action Comics Annual 11 Green Lantern Corps 23 Wonder Woman 19 The Brave & The Bold 12 Checkmate 25 Justice Society Of America DC Universe 0 Green Lantern 30 Legion Of Superheroes 41 DC Wildstorm: Ex Machina 36 DC Vertigo: Hellblazer 243 Marvel: Dark Tower: The Long Road Home 2 Fantastic Four 556 Annihilation Conquest 6 Captain America 37 Thor 8 Immortal Iron Fist 14 The Order 10 Marvel Icon: Kick Ass 2 Criminal 2 2 Kick-Ass 3 Powers 29 Powers Encyclopaedia 1 Powers Annual 1 Dynamite: Zorro 2 The Boys 17 Marvel Max: Punisher 56 War Is Hell: The First Flight Of The Phantom Eagle 2 IDW: Transformers Spotlights: Grimlock Angel After The Fall 6 Virgin: Dan Dare 6 * Doesn't include Thunderbolts, next issue is in May. Checkmate and Brave & Bold are likely to be dropped after these issues, Checkmate definitely. Also is Pax Romana, a stunning series from Image. * Upcoming new series are Marvel 1985, War Heroes, Final Crisis, the return of Manhunter, The Man With No Name. The only comics I can follow Peter is in New Avemgers. It's sad when his own flagship title is suffering like this while his Ultimate counterpoint is making huge progress. * USM is the best example of just how good Bendis can be, although Powers is also excellent, when it comes out. Now your probably saying why don't I follow Ultimate Spider-man, the reason is I don't care for the universe. The Ultimates, Ultimate FF and Ult Spider-man were good stories but they aren't the characters that I grew on. True, but the was the point of the Ultimate line. but back to topic what is your favorite Batman trades ? and any top Modern Spider-man tales that might be relevant ? * I like the Millar-Dodson 12-parter that's collected in 3 SCs: Down Among The Dead Men, Venomous and The Last Stand. * As for Batman, The Killing Joke by Alan Moore, Arkham Asylum by Grant Morrison and The Man Who Laughs by Ed Brubaker are great. Long Halloween and Dark Victory by Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale are great, as is Matt Wagner's two Bad Moon Rising stories: Batman & The Monster Men plus Batman & The Mad Monk. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/25 3:12pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/25 3:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	huge list man, the only others I might add was amazing when it starts getting good but that's all. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/25 3:39pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	You should have seen it a year ago, lot of titles have been dropped. There's also a fair number of limited series on the list and not all of them are guaranteed to come out in April. Across 4-5 weeks it averages around £10-15 per week, about the price of a DVD so not that bad. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/25 3:49pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	Jedi Ben MS86, Ben you mind if I make the version 2.0 of our EUC counterpart when we hit 10,000 ? * If I'm not around, Ok; if I am, you'll have to beat me to it, young one. Aw, JB, let the kid do the EUC one, and I'll let you do the Lit one again!
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/25 4:00pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	ChildOfWinds posted: Jedi Ben MS86, Ben you mind if I make the version 2.0 of our EUC counterpart when we hit 10,000 ? * If I'm not around, Ok; if I am, you'll have to beat me to it, young one. Aw, JB, let the kid do the EUC one, and I'll let you do the Lit one again! I just know how this is going to end: "I got one!" "Great, kid, don't get cocky." Oh and RK? There's a really smart SW riff in book 1 of Terok Nor, I'll say no more so it surprises you but you won't be able to miss it. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/25 4:54pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/25 5:22pm (2 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	the day I get too cocky is when you see floating things with my minds. but I'm been wrong before. each of the trades I got cost me about 10.99-16.99. so a little lesser than a dvd, but just as entertaining. but I think after Iron Fist I'm going to pinched my pennies til May. I bought about 8 trades in less than 6 weeks when I should be saving. Child MS, the day that we will need a new version of SOS here is probably YEARS away, but if it's okay with everyone else, it's fine with me! I can wait, but at least I have proof for the claim. I certainly HOPE so!!!! The more Luke, the better! yeah which I feel I'm not getting. Since it looks like Jaina and not Luke will be the big hero of Invincible, I'm not overly optimistic. But I'd certainly LOVE to be proven wrong! same here, I would love to hear the conclusion for the series had some good points. She certainly seemed to want LUKE! that's sugarcoating it. I agree, MS. Luke is only unleashed very, VERY infrequently. It IS disappointing! it rather is, the man is more of a background character now adays. Please do! I'd like to keep both threads active, if possible. you can count on it, SOS Lit seems too busy to follow now adays. JediBen * If I'm not around, Ok; if I am, you'll have to beat me to it, young one. lets wait and see.....old man! * Did I mention a tank of piranhas? any more carnivores for Frank to play with ? same goes for Fraction, who's going to be killed off in Order #10 ? * Uncertain, it's not out yet and would I tell you? maybe, though I don't want to be spoiled. Well Secret Invasion seems promising, as IGN are totally estatic over it. Though I don't agree with the artist they chose for the crossover I think Bendis can pull it off. * Well, I'll be monitoring developments. at least your being open minded about it. * Well, my list for April goes like this: huge list, man your spending like about $100 on comics for a month. Avatar: Black Summer 6 Dark Horse: Star Wars Dark Times 10 Star Wars Legacy 22 Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic 27 Star Wars Legacy 23 Star Wars Rebellion 13 what's dark times about ? Marvel: Dark Tower: The Long Road Home 2 Fantastic Four 556 Annihilation Conquest 6 Captain America 37 Thor 8 Immortal Iron Fist 14 The Order 10 Marvel Icon: Kick Ass 2 Criminal 2 2 Kick-Ass 3 Powers 29 Powers Encyclopaedia 1 Powers Annual 1 Just wondering how you enjoy MM FF run ? also which issue isn't included in volume 2 of Iron Fist ? * Upcoming new series are Marvel 1985, War Heroes, Final Crisis, the return of Manhunter, The Man With No Name. how is Cage's work ? * USM is the best example of just how good Bendis can be, although Powers is also excellent, when it comes out. wouldn't mind if he took control of Amazing for a change. True, but the was the point of the Ultimate line. and it's great but for me in small doses. * I like the Millar-Dodson 12-parter that's collected in 3 SCs: Down Among The Dead Men, Venomous and The Last Stand. what type of Spidey stories are look at here ? * As for Batman, The Killing Joke by Alan Moore, Arkham Asylum by Grant Morrison and The Man Who Laughs by Ed Brubaker are great. Long Halloween and Dark Victory by Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale are great, as is Matt Wagner's two Bad Moon Rising stories: Batman & The Monster Men plus Batman & The Mad Monk. The Man who Laughs and Arkham Asylum sound very promising thanks for your advice. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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DurronFan Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/25 7:16pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	COW "Wow! Sounds great! Welcome back, DF!" thx, it's nice to be writing here again after a long time. "Our discussions have been all over the place right now!" I see nothing has changed... "Luke and his killing of Lumiya is the major topic of discussion in Lit." I see... Well my opinion on the matter is as follows: Luke made a mistake but he is human and he did really love Mara. I think the whole incident showed why the Jedi of old were so against attachment in the first place, it can make even somebody powerful and wise fall. Now I KNOW how you feel, COW, that he's the Grand Master and he should have been above such an action but...let's just agree to disagree like we always do, aight? RK_Striker_JK_5 "Sounds awesome, dude." Yeah it was fun...and not. Seeing India for how messed up it really is was, while an eyeopening experience, not such a fun experience. I didn't see anything I didn't already know about, so nothing surprised or shocked me, but sometimes you just have to see some places with your own eyes in real life to understand the magnitude of the problem. But enough of that, back to SW... Ok, so first my review of Allegiance. I'll shadow it IN CASE somebody hasn't read it yet and still wants to and doesn't want to get spoiled. I agree with COW that it's not one of Zahn's best but it was still decent, worth the 8 euros I payed for it. As far as the overall storyline was concerned, it was only ok, which comes as a disappointment since this is after all Zahn. Zahn brings for me and I venture for a lot of others a lot of expectations so we have to be careful to not bee too harsh. But Zahn still has a knack for creating good new characters. The renegade stormtrooper squad that became the "Hand of Judgement" had intriguing characters, or at least I felt so. What bothered me most was just the pacing, the story was so slow to get going in the beginning that it took me longer than usual to read a book of this length. Halfway through it started to get better. As far as the Big Three were concerned, Luke and Leia didn't seem to do so much. Han was written very well though. But by far the biggest star in this book was Mara. Of course I might just be missing her character all of a sudden. All her scenes were a fun read. I especially loved the scenes between her and Vader, the cold relationship they seemed to have between eachother. So I'm grading it just a 7/10. A good book, but by Zahn's standards a disappointment. And now to Revelation... Well this was definitely better than Sacrifice. Some good things and some bad ones. I thought the whole Jaina learning about Mandalorian culture was a fun read, yet I couldn't help but feel that this was also Traviss trying to convince everybody into loving Mandalorians, with all the details about their culture. As if she was desperately trying to convince us or something. Like the way Boba's story overshadowed Mara's death in the end of Sacrifice, I felt like the Boba/Jaina story in the end overshadowed the revelation of Jacen being proved guilty of Mara's murder. So I wished that whole thing could have been handled better. Since Han and Leia had such a miniscule role in this book anyway, it would have been nice to read more about their reaction to Ben's findings. All we got was a short scene between Luke and Ben. Traviss does continue to be a good writer of Jacen's evil and warped character. I still call him Jacen, never got used to the Caedus name. I love how he analyzes all his actions and acknowledges the need to improve morale yet he still convinces himself in some wicked way that his murdering of the junior officer was necessary. So he's still a genius, not at all crazy, just totally evil. Tahiri growing into his apprentice was, while very sad, cool to see as well. I already mentioned how Leia and Han had miniscule roles, and that was a major bummer. She wrote them pretty well in Bloodlines I felt, so that was a disappointment. I liked Pellaeon, felt like he went out in style by never giving in to Jacen. The only way to kill him was to shoot him in the back. I thought Daala was alright, although I thought that there was way too mcuh respect for her. Why everybody seemed to either fear or respect her I don't get. Luke had a fairly small role, so that must have absolutely infuriated COW. Although he did manage to pull off a good illusion on Jacen and really embarrass him, so I hope that was a consolation for her. Ben acting like a detective was alright I suppose. THe bit where he gives "orders" to Jag with his "officer voice" was pretty hilarious imo. Actually there were a couple of nice bits of humor by Traviss which was a pleasent surprise. I also liked it when Luke teased Ben that he would tease Ben and his girlfriend as a force ghost some day. Just imagining that whole scenario in my head was priceless. Overall this was a good book though, by no means great, but good. I'll give it a 8/10. Here's hoping Denning writes a greate finale. -----signature----- Luke Skywalker: I'm not afraid! Yoda: Good... You will be. You will be.
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