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I-poodoo Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/27 8:56pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	Striker Or cut walkers in half. Gimme a break... Let's not be too hasty to pass judgment yet, Striker. After all neither of us has read or played Force Unleashed yet, so they may have come up with some very good rationalizations for the over-the-top forcepower use. I do agree that now it does appear that they're beginning to take the special-effects extravaganza approach to storytelling...but like I said the story itself does sound interesting, and George did have a hand in crafting it for once. The whole BM series is out on DVD. I've seen it at bestbuy, FYE Are you sure? I've been looking for a while now for this. That's it I'm going to Best Buy tomorrow. And you've seen Exo-Squad too? DUDE! I loved that show! Yeah a really underrated show that Exo-Squad. I really liked the concept of having this whole epic space-opera only in our own solar system. Most others in the same genre stretch all over the galaxy, but as Exo-Squad proves there's plenty in our own backyard you can stage a broad story in. Anyway I've seen Episodes on DVD for sale on the net, but I don't want just one ep. And from the desription it sounded like they were pirated which my code of ethics won't allow me to support by buying them. What I really want is the whole season box set with lots of bonus features on it. I want Exo-Squad to get its official due, darn it. -----signature----- "It is the actions of a man that defines him not his intentions."-yours truly "Though battles have been lost, the Alliance still lives. We have not surrendered. We do not concede the stars. We will win back our birthright. Freedom." -Jaius Yorub
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/28 11:46am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	Nobody145 On the topic of Luke girlfriends- I hate Akanah, I hate Akanah too! She led Luke on a wild bantha chase all for nothing. She was extremely deceitful. I didn't know they put her into JvS. I have it but haven't read it. It doesn't sound like I'm going to care for that part of it. Callista was ok, I would have liked Callista IF Luke would have met her has a living, breathing person instead of as a voice in a computer, who died before he was born! And don't get me started on the whole body-snatching thing! And Lumiya is just a long, painful trainwreck that just won't stop, even after her death. I agree. And I never thought she and Luke ever had much of a relationship in the first place. Perhaps if the Force hadn't told Luke to shoot down her ship, he may have grown closer to her, but that would have been a huge mistake too, because Shira Brie did NOT have good things planned for Luke. She would have killed him or she would have discredited him, as she almost did. Luke and Mara were pretty stable, and they just had to wreck it. Oh well, that's the story of the Star Wars EU for quite a few years now. So true, unfortunately! I-poodoo Basically the rundown on the Force unleased is that the apprentice is some force sensitive guy, don't know the name, that Vader takes on as an apprentice to hunt down Jedi that survived Order 66 and eventually be the Sith apprentice Ah! I see! But didn't Vader want Luke as his apprentice? The makers of the story promise to amp up forcepowers...so instead of using the force to push someone across the room the apprentice will push 40 guys to slam into the far wall of the room with enough force to break bones and pull down star destroyers from orbit easy peasy... Oh, brother. My working theory on droids is that they run on complex heuristic programming that gives them their own personality or rather the resemblance of a personality. These heuristic programs grow and evolve and become more and more complex building and evolving the droids simulated personality. Theoretically if given enough time these programs will evolve to give the droid an actual personality with an actual ability to have honest feelings. Okay, not a bad theory. However Luke has never wiped Artoo's memory, I like the fact that he would never even contemplate doing it to his friend, and so the programming has evolved from Ep. I on unchecked so its made Artoo extremely eccentric but far more capable in terms of initiative compared to other droids and extremely loyal to Luke. Yes, very loyal! It's been disappointing that Artoo hasn't been around much lately. RK_Striker_JK_5 And love saved Mara Jade, and Ulic Qel-Droma... Very true!
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/29 8:17am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	I read Revelation and I'll have more to say about it later, both in general and about Luke. For now, here is the review that I put into the Lit Review thread on the Lit board: I just finished the book. My score is 2/10. I'm giving it one point for Ben. I was very optimistic about Ben after reading Betrayal, but his character plummeted after that. He was so much better in this book and I enjoyed his scenes. The other point is for the Jedi's Force illusions that fooled Jacen. Other than those two things, I didn't care for much in Revelation. Boba Fett and the Mandalorians took over the book, and in a series entitled, Legacy of the Force, I don't think that should have happened. I'm absolutely sick of Mandos. They seem to have been written as the best at everything, almost like the Force's gift to the galaxy. And having a Mando in a position where he could have killed the Dark Lord of the Sith but didn't because Boba Fett told him not to, is ridiculous, in my opinion. It certainly doesn't make Darth Caedus seem like a very dangerous villain, for one thing. I didn't like having Jaina train with them. I don't really think she learned anything that she didn't already know or couldn't have learned from her own circle of family, friends, and Jedi. That wild fighting style "red mist" just seemed like the dark side renamed. I also didn't like that Jaina seemed so "impressed" and "wowed" by the Mandalorians. Finally, the bashing of the Jedi was just WAY too much. Over and over again, we heard negative things about the Jedi, and there was no balancing of those negatives with a voice that spoke up for the Jedi. Even Jaina didn't counter some of the Jedi prejudice when she had the opportunity. Pelleaon made a negative comment too, and he had a decent relationship with Leia and Luke. We also didn't get to see the Jedi do very much in this book either. They were relegated to an invisible background role. That they were trying to defend the innocents of Fondor could have been lost if one skimmed. So we didn't really get to see much of their actions speaking louder than those words against them either. The Jedi and the Force are what make the Star Wars universe unique from any other universe. Having the Jedi constantly denigrated doesn't sit well with me. So, as I said, 2/10.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/29 9:19am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MS86, too bad, from cover the art looks enjoyable.. question is the run where Ben dies ? I know Torch becomes Galactus's herald for a bit, but I think there are a few notable story points as well. * Both happen but are very cleverly undone too. I won't say how but it really is very good. glad to hear it from reviews it's pretty much the light hearted, sci-fi, family stories and Waid gets it. * It's excellent but not always light-hearted, you'll despise Doom in this run because his actions are irredeemable. well as long as he reunites Reed an Sue back again, but I'm confused by what you mean. * Ah, had thought you'd read the McDuffie Civil War issues: Reed tells Sue he had worked out a way to predict actions and consequences and that the equations predicted disaster unless heroes were registered! If you really want a laugh get a copy of FF Visionaries Walter Simonson and watch Reed arue against registration! anoter Sergio Leone Classic, I ment Fistful of Dollars of course for his heroism, the guy saves a town and a family. I wannna see Once Upon a time in the West. * The latter is a very cold piece of work, brilliant but icy - excellent Morricone score too. what did the Nazi say ? * That they had to round up the Jews as they were a threat to homeland security. Some read this as being the same outlook as some rightwingers have had since the towers went up in smoke and were outraged. I'm curious as to when conservatives became so sensitive though. well as long he isn't SHOUTING out his opinions like Traviss I'm okay with it. I'm guessing KingPin is at it again ? * Nope, it isn't the Kingpin that creates the Sinister Twelve. that knack you mention for Millar is one I think Brubaker is the master of, that and characterization and plot. Fraction has good dialogue. * Fraction I'm liking more and more. well that fact it's not the Damn Batman how doe Arkham Asylum defy logic ? is this an elseworld tale ? * Didn't say AA defies logic, only that you'll find it difficult to categorise easily. I don't doubt it, but I'm just saying the character isn't in my taste. I felt for him in Civil War but other than that I rather read about Cap or Spidey. * Which is why Fraction's work is of interest as he views Tony's decision as right but the methods as wrong, that the arc will be a redemption one for the character. how is Bendis take of ending the team, and is it a good Hawkeye story ? I wanna see Cap and Clint on a team before he dies. * Er, well,you do know what happens to Hawkeye in both Avengers Dissassembled and House of M? is the writing more geared to what ? you know there's a title I been denying a bit the Great Lake Avengers. * Get GLA, you'll laugh your arse off - it's excellent but do get the GLX Special too, it hasn't been collected and probably won't be, also get the Xmas Special too. * You've read JLA-Avengers, Busiek's Avengers are similar - lots of plot, action, insdane concepts, rousing speeches, evil villains, heroic battles etc. Correction Cap threw his SHIELD at the terrorists and instead of being hit by it they did the stupid lacky mistake of dodging and then falling off the train, wasn't his fault, they should of choose the shield like the others rather than the fall. * Wrong! Cap should have made sure they didn't hurt themselves as they were only trying to blow the train up! Yes, I am being very sarcastic at this point.... for the most part Batman goes after the big Fish, but he won't resist helping people in distress and check out Year One he fought and saved some street punks robbing a store, and didn't become lethal with police officers when he very well could have died. * Again though: Do the punks merit death and does attacking the officers serve Batman's interests? No on both counts. still in a world full of guns, you have to be very good not to be lethal with enemies. I kinda wish they kill off Norman or have that lunatc behind bars for a while, look at the damage he has done with Peter's life. there's a story arc that could be worked on. I remeber what Cage did to Purple Man when he threatened his wife and child, so I can imagine what could happen. * Stan Lee did kill off Norman Osborn! He was revived in 1996 courtesy of the Clone Saga! There's only three stories that make that work - The Pulse, Spiderman and Thunderbolts. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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I-poodoo Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/29 7:41pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	I've just read the latest Captain America issue out, and have to say I find I'm liking this new Cap. Sure he aint Steve, but the writer (I think it's still Brubaker if I remember right) uses that difference to highlight what Made Steve Rogers a great man, and if they have another guy being Cap it feels right that it be Bucky. And OMG I loved the fight between him and Crossbones and the serpent Society...very rough and tumble but so good. And was that the real Cap in that tube Sharon found at the end? Maybe he aint really dead? Maybe the one Sharon shot was a Skrull and this tube thing is where it stashed the real Cap? Child Ah! I see! But didn't Vader want Luke as his apprentice? *I gather Force Unleashed takes place only a few years after ROTS when Vader didn't know Luke existed. And yes my guess is that this Secret Apprentice guy is pretty much the prototype for what Vader had in mind for Luke in ESB. I find that very interesting. So by watching this guy we could find out what might've happened to Luke if he had taken Vader's proposal to join him to overthrow Palpy in ESB, and we won't even have to slap the story with an Infinities label and debate its canonical importance. -----signature----- "It is the actions of a man that defines him not his intentions."-yours truly "Though battles have been lost, the Alliance still lives. We have not surrendered. We do not concede the stars. We will win back our birthright. Freedom." -Jaius Yorub
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/29 8:48pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	I-poodoo I've just read the latest Captain America issue out, and have to say I find I'm liking this new Cap. Does this mean the other one will likely never return and IS for sure dead? I don't read the Captain America comics, but I know of them, and I was sorry that they killed him off. I hope this means he isn't going to stay dead. *I gather Force Unleashed takes place only a few years after ROTS when Vader didn't know Luke existed. Oh, okay. And yes my guess is that this Secret Apprentice guy is pretty much the prototype for what Vader had in mind for Luke in ESB. I find that very interesting. So by watching this guy we could find out what might've happened to Luke if he had taken Vader's proposal to join him to overthrow Palpy in ESB, Sounds rather chilling!
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/29 9:03pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/29 9:55pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	RK lol, that's mostly the plot of 99% of Transformer series. that's why it was easy for kids to follow. plus it's robots turning into cars....AWESOME!!! Not to mention great writing and both good guys and bad guys having good aim. Seriously, some of the damage they took was brutal! Right, made the battles intense. I love the transmetal showdown with it's omage to The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. we lost some key characters like Transmutate, Airazor, Tigertron, and heck even Starscream pass by. Ah, Megs didn't kill Tarantulas, IIRC. He was blown up in his lab when experimenting on Tigerhawk. o yeah I just realize Megs just burnt the character. but I was so glad when the character was destroyed i hate eight legged mad geniuses. Favorite characters were Rattrap and Cheetor Dinobot for me. And Silverbolt. Silverbolt's theme Dinobot final battle was a classic episode. Silverbolt was a noble character....could be too boy scout sometimes.. Animated still has much to prove, but the series isn't doing bad at all, No, it's not doing bad at all. looking forward to the next 13 episodes. I like the Ratchet & Arcee flashback episode. That was such a mature episode. It was... nice that Arcee's memory got wiped. Added depth and consequence there. I like seeing how the war brought a toll on the weary Ratchet. and this is only one of the battles he's in. I can only imagine what happens to him in the rest. lol, did you know the voice actor for Prime in this series was Megatron's voice actor in BW/BM and the Armada/Energon/Cybertron trilogy? I know he was Megatron from BW/BM but I don't hear the resemblence. the Autobots are the underdogs and I really enjoy that fact, makes each victory they make that more powerful. And it adds some good tension, too. And shows them working together well. I like the emphasis on teamwork and cooperation for the team. the fact that they have Black Arachnia as Elita One is a cool concept, and what more they brought back the voice actor. Cre-epy! And wow. We gotta see more of her! I know I want to see how it pans out with Prime's friend being a decipticon. He's a disgraced scientist. While Sumdac went with technology, he went with genetic engineering. He tried to get a contract with Detroit PD, but his 'prototype' went on a rampage. An accident mutated him. ah thanks for the insight. lol, okay. Hmm, one of these days I think I'll figure out how many I really got. And yeah, the SW figures are too small and too little joints. I got two Unleashed figures-Aayla Secura and Darth Vader. that and the sculpts don't look too good on a 3 inch scale. but look at the Unleashed figures, they're awesome and dynamic. I'm not much of a collector but I do have a couple of figures. I think adults cried, too. Now that I think on it. He gets resurrected in the season three finale... 'The Return of Optimus Prime'. Great name, eh? as long Prime was brought back they call it Operation: Prime And yeah, Hot Rod... what an idiot. well yes....even though he becomes the next Prime, but he hands it to the true Prime Got both Leader and Deluxe, and the robot replica. Yeah, the Masterpiece, and the original G1 version. lucky. I like the Voyager. I'll look them up, but I do remember her being heavily involved with Anakin and Tahiri's training in the JJK... sorta like an aunt? it could be seen that she was getting Luke's attention by helping her nephew. I think most BW characters had some quantity of badass, really. Except Waspinator. he had his moment when Starscream posessed him. Adam Hughes art on the cover is terrific, proves that he isn't a one trick pony if you know what I mean Ah, no. I don't, actually. AH usually draws rather....overly beautiful women. so it's nice to see him capable of other drawings. notice how the Trooper armor hasn't advanced either ? I mean c'mon they should have energy shields on those things. Or sealed up better. Or sensors! seriously that armor should be updated. Yeah. Come on! It's past the point of parody, here. Sith=betrayal. As simple as that. apparently no one pay attentions to history. If she was there for him earlier on... maybe he wouldn't have been so messed up. probably. I want some sort of flashback where Krunk and Luke meet, cause it seems bizarre that he appears out of no where. "So... where the hell were you when I needed help?" right it's so random. Child I just finished the book. My score is 2/10. I'm giving it one point for Ben. I was very optimistic about Ben after reading Betrayal, but his character plummeted after that. He was so much better in this book and I enjoyed his scenes. funny when Ben shines is a book where all other characters are diminished by Boba. at least he gets a ok portrayal. The other point is for the Jedi's Force illusions that fooled Jacen. not much seems to redeem the story. Other than those two things, I didn't care for much in Revelation. Boba Fett and the Mandalorians took over the book, and in a series entitled, Legacy of the Force, I don't think that should have happened. I'm absolutely sick of Mandos. They seem to have been written as the best at everything, almost like the Force's gift to the galaxy. And having a Mando in a position where he could have killed the Dark Lord of the Sith but didn't because Boba Fett told him not to, is ridiculous, in my opinion. It certainly doesn't make Darth Caedus seem like a very dangerous villain, for one thing. Super Mandos, more powerful than a average storm trooper, able to think of themselves beyond narcism, able to be killed off by large Sarlacc pits. I didn't like having Jaina train with them. I don't really think she learned anything that she didn't already know or couldn't have learned from her own circle of family, friends, and Jedi. That wild fighting style "red mist" just seemed like the dark side renamed. I also didn't like that Jaina seemed so "impressed" and "wowed" by the Mandalorians. Jaina is apparently replaced by Karen Traviss to fully demonstrate the uberness of Mandos if the first 2/3 didn't give you that the full view. Finally, the bashing of the Jedi was just WAY too much. Over and over again, we heard negative things about the Jedi, and there was no balancing of those negatives with a voice that spoke up for the Jedi. Even Jaina didn't counter some of the Jedi prejudice when she had the opportunity. Pelleaon made a negative comment too, and he had a decent relationship with Leia and Luke. We also didn't get to see the Jedi do very much in this book either. They were relegated to an invisible background role. That they were trying to defend the innocents of Fondor could have been lost if one skimmed. So we didn't really get to see much of their actions speaking louder than those words against them either. I like to see how Traviss can sugarcoat all the atrocities the Mandos have done to the galaxy, old and new. The Jedi and the Force are what make the Star Wars universe unique from any other universe. Having the Jedi constantly denigrated doesn't sit well with me. Traviss just po'ed most of the fanbase. JB * Both happen but are very cleverly undone too. I won't say how but it really is very good. I find it interesting that the supreme being is represented by none other than Jack Kirby. * It's excellent but not always light-hearted, you'll despise Doom in this run because his actions are irredeemable. well it wouldn't be a good story if you don't despised Doom. * Ah, had thought you'd read the McDuffie Civil War issues: Reed tells Sue he had worked out a way to predict actions and consequences and that the equations predicted disaster unless heroes were registered! If you really want a laugh get a copy of FF Visionaries Walter Simonson and watch Reed arue against registration! perhaps he forgot to carry out the 2 * The latter is a very cold piece of work, brilliant but icy - excellent Morricone score too. really ? I enjoy Morricone score, I have the The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly OST. * That they had to round up the Jews as they were a threat to homeland security. Some read this as being the same outlook as some rightwingers have had since the towers went up in smoke and were outraged. I'm curious as to when conservatives became so sensitive though. ah, kinda odd how a comic book can cause a bit of controversy but I dunno if anything is anti-government it's apparently anti-american now adays. makes me glad that Steve stands for American ideals rather than the polictics. * Nope, it isn't the Kingpin that creates the Sinister Twelve. Goblin ? * Fraction I'm liking more and more. he's coming around, I didn't like IF and I'm not a Punisher fan but Order is great and is a tough buy with the other teams now a adays But he makes it work. * Didn't say AA defies logic, only that you'll find it difficult to categorise easily. so I should stick with the Man who Laughs then ? * Which is why Fraction's work is of interest as he views Tony's decision as right but the methods as wrong, that the arc will be a redemption one for the character. the thing about Tony is he's always trying to redeem himself for his mistakes, for being a weapon designer, a drunk, lying to his friends, the argonauts, for Goliath's death, for working with bad guys.....I wish Marvel would have the character portray some heroic acts since he's a character who's dealing with a lot of guilt. * Er, well,you do know what happens to Hawkeye in both Avengers Dissassembled and House of M? I did say he died twice, but is the story a worthy end to the Avengers ? and does Hawkeye have one last hurrah. * Get GLA, you'll laugh your arse off - it's excellent but do get the GLX Special too, it hasn't been collected and probably won't be, also get the Xmas Special too. good I could use some laughs. * You've read JLA-Avengers, Busiek's Avengers are similar - lots of plot, action, insdane concepts, rousing speeches, evil villains, heroic battles etc. any particular trades ? say if I'm looking for good Cap and Hawkeye ones ? * Wrong! Cap should have made sure they didn't hurt themselves as they were only trying to blow the train up! Yes, I am being very sarcastic at this point.... good cause I would have bust your head or I would just call u the Maria Hill of SOS. also score one for me! * Again though: Do the punks merit death and does attacking the officers serve Batman's interests? No on both counts. the punks could have killed him, they were beating him while he was holding one of the kid's legs, in the Long Halloween he faced lackies with GUNS at point blank range, in DK he knew killing Joker would have saved countless lives yet he couldn't go through with it. In Begins he reveals his disgust at firearms and throws one away and says in the film "I'm no executioner" and "I not going to kill you but I don't have to save you." the fact is Batman can face multple foes with guns of course but he will use stealth and tactics to even the odds and finish off the rest of them. his kevlar armor and helmet provide him with ample protection for his war against crime. But one theme that has been consistent is that Batman is no killer.....at least the modern take is that. * Stan Lee did kill off Norman Osborn! He was revived in 1996 courtesy of the Clone Saga! There's only three stories that make that work - The Pulse, Spiderman and Thunderbolts. sigh the Clone Saga strikes again. IP I've just read the latest Captain America issue out, and have to say I find I'm liking this new Cap. Sure he aint Steve, but the writer (I think it's still Brubaker if I remember right) uses that difference to highlight what Made Steve Rogers a great man, and if they have another guy being Cap it feels right that it be Bucky. And OMG I loved the fight between him and Crossbones and the serpent Society...very rough and tumble but so good. looking forward to seeing the art. And was that the real Cap in that tube Sharon found at the end? Maybe he aint really dead? Maybe the one Sharon shot was a Skrull and this tube thing is where it stashed the real Cap? like I said Brubaker has DENIED it being a skrull, clone, Invader Cap, so it could be him or something else entirely. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/30 2:54am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MS86, I find it interesting that the supreme being is represented by none other than Jack Kirby. * Some loathed it but I thought it a neat touch. well it wouldn't be a good story if you don't despised Doom. * Ah, yes, but this goes way beyond the usual. ah, kinda odd how a comic book can cause a bit of controversy but I dunno if anything is anti-government it's apparently anti-american now adays. * Yep, any criticism of anything a US politician does = anti-american. (Such a dumb, dumb concept.) makes me glad that Steve stands for American ideals rather than the polictics. * That's the point of Cap really, if you haven't read Daredevil Born Again, do so - Frank Miller works in a brilliant Cap appearance. Goblin ? * Yep, but not in the way you think. so I should stick with the Man who Laughs then ? * I'd still say read AA, as it'll blow your mind. the thing about Tony is he's always trying to redeem himself for his mistakes, for being a weapon designer, a drunk, lying to his friends, the argonauts, for Goliath's death, for working with bad guys.....I wish Marvel would have the character portray some heroic acts since he's a character who's dealing with a lot of guilt. * It's simple: He stops screwing up, he gets to stop feeling guiltty - easy! I did say he died twice, but is the story a worthy end to the Avengers ? and does Hawkeye have one last hurrah. * I'd say it's all-right, does really set-up NA so more a prequel than an end. any particular trades ? say if I'm looking for good Cap and Hawkeye ones ? * Avengers Forever is worth a look, Ultron Unlimited is good. If you use the TPB list you'll get a full run down but Busiek does tie the various stories into one 55-issue run by the end. the punks could have killed him, they were beating him while he was holding one of the kid's legs, in the Long Halloween he faced lackies with GUNS at point blank range, in DK he knew killing Joker would have saved countless lives yet he couldn't go through with it. In Begins he reveals his disgust at firearms and throws one away and says in the film "I'm no executioner" and "I not going to kill you but I don't have to save you." * Death by inaction! He should have saved him! Again - saracasm overload, I loved the line. the fact is Batman can face multple foes with guns of course but he will use stealth and tactics to even the odds and finish off the rest of them. his kevlar armor and helmet provide him with ample protection for his war against crime. But one theme that has been consistent is that Batman is no killer.....at least the modern take is that. * The armour is somewhat new to the film though. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/30 9:19am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MasterSkywalker86: funny when Ben shines is a book where all other characters are diminished by Boba. at least he gets a ok portrayal. Yes, I liked the kid in this book. He showed some intelligence, and he showed he really cared about his father...FINALLY! not much seems to redeem the story. No, I didn't think there was a lot. Luke certainly played only a very small role, and I still don't know why he didn't just shoot Jacen's ship down instead of trying to capture him in an X-wing. He would have saved the galaxy a LOT of grief. Super Mandos, more powerful than a average storm trooper, able to think of themselves beyond narcism, able to be killed off by large Sarlacc pits. Too bad the Sarlaac pit WASN'T able to kill off Boba Fett! Jaina is apparently replaced by Karen Traviss to fully demonstrate the uberness of Mandos if the first 2/3 didn't give you that the full view. Could be! I like to see how Traviss can sugarcoat all the atrocities the Mandos have done to the galaxy, old and new. I know. She doesn't seem to mention those at all. No, Mandos are saints, you know! A lot of people do seem to be annoyed that the Jedi were bashed so much in Revelation.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/30 10:27am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	ChildOfWinds posted: I know. She doesn't seem to mention those at all. No, Mandos are saints, you know! A lot of people do seem to be annoyed that the Jedi were bashed so much in Revelation. I think it's a combination of things: 1. The sheer extent of it, while it's been present in other books, it hasn't been as far gone as it is in Revelation 2. Within the RC books the Mando-plot works (I found it irritated the hell out of me in TZ and instead destroyed the book but I digress) but transposed to other arenas, it isn't as good. ie. Take away the PT environment and what's left? -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/30 11:47am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version - Date Edited: 3/30 11:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	Jedi Ben * Some loathed it but I thought it a neat touch. well I could sort see why, but it's claiming him to rather the celestial above all others, this is the comic world and techincally Kirby and Stan are the creators so I can seen them as creators/head honchos of the Marvel Universe. If people don't have problems with Freeman representing God in movies then they shouldn't have a problem with this. It's a comic book for crying out loud with a talking rock not dogma. 2. Within the RC books the Mando-plot works (I found it irritated the hell out of me in TZ and instead destroyed the book but I digress) but transposed to other arenas, it isn't as good. ie. Take away the PT environment and what's left? well it becomes a problem when the jedi are the central focus, its like she has put in her own opinion on why the chaos is mess up. * Ah, yes, but this goes way beyond the usual. he kicks a puppy ? * Yep, any criticism of anything a US politician does = anti-american. (Such a dumb, dumb concept.) very dumb concept. defeats the purpose of the founding of this country. * That's the point of Cap really, if you haven't read Daredevil Born Again, do so - Frank Miller works in a brilliant Cap appearance. that and the guy is one of the idealistic good people you'll meet without making it look campy. Goblin ? * Yep, but not in the way you think. I might want to take a look. * I'd still say read AA, as it'll blow your mind. on the foundation of the infamous Asylum. * It's simple: He stops screwing up, he gets to stop feeling guiltty - easy! problem is he has a lot to atone for. * I'd say it's all-right, does really set-up NA so more a prequel than an end. hmmmm.... might deserved a look, but maybe I'll look at the Busiek stuff. * Avengers Forever is worth a look, Ultron Unlimited is good. If you use the TPB list you'll get a full run down but Busiek does tie the various stories into one 55-issue run by the end. I'm going to check it out then. * Death by inaction! He should have saved him! Again - saracasm overload, I loved the line. again your Maria Hill logic is clouding your better judgement. * The armour is somewhat new to the film though. actually was talking about the armor chestpiece he wears in the comic. I know originally Batman carried a gun and killed people but that was before his reformation, now he's been retcon as a man who won't kill or use guns. Child Yes, I liked the kid in this book. He showed some intelligence, and he showed he really cared about his father...FINALLY! bravo, a very simple concept. No, I didn't think there was a lot. Luke certainly played only a very small role, and I still don't know why he didn't just shoot Jacen's ship down instead of trying to capture him in an X-wing. He would have saved the galaxy a LOT of grief. cause Traviss wanted to add more Mandoness into the story. I know. She doesn't seem to mention those at all. No, Mandos are saints, you know! ironic isn't it ? A lot of people do seem to be annoyed that the Jedi were bashed so much in Revelation. even pro DR people are mad.....excellent -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/30 1:21pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	MS86, well I could sort see why, but it's claiming him to rather the celestial above all others, this is the comic world and techincally Kirby and Stan are the creators so I can seen them as creators/head honchos of the Marvel Universe. If people don't have problems with Freeman representing God in movies then they shouldn't have a problem with this. It's a comic book for crying out loud with a talking rock not dogma. * Er, hold on, I thought it was disliked as a too easy get-out clause for Waid to undo the consequences of the Authoritative Action arc, not that some people had literally read the comic as claiming Kirby to be God! That's....incomprehensible. well it becomes a problem when the jedi are the central focus, its like she has put in her own opinion on why the chaos is mess up. * And non-doomed-to-failure-PT-Jedi too. he kicks a puppy ? * Sends Franklin to Hell! very dumb concept. defeats the purpose of the founding of this country. * Especially as if people really were anti-US we wouldn't like your TV series, films, food, music - it's just your politicians we loathe - and yes, we hate ours too! It isn't as if your lot is getting special treatment! that and the guy is one of the idealistic good people you'll meet without making it look campy. * Sounds like you've read Born Again? I'm going to check it out then. * The Ultron Unlimited arc has a classic sequence: Ultron has killed the population of an entire country, the Avengers go to avenge them, the battle opens with Thor declaring: Ultron, we would have words with thee! again your Maria Hill logic is clouding your better judgement. * Huh, I'd have had Hill have an accident with a wood chipper by now! JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/30 1:58pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	* Er, hold on, I thought it was disliked as a too easy get-out clause for Waid to undo the consequences of the Authoritative Action arc, not that some people had literally read the comic as claiming Kirby to be God! That's....incomprehensible. o then I just went to rant on something I guess no one had a problem with. score one me but I guess I have to read the entirey of Waid's run myself. I just bought the huge HC volume 1 today. looking forward to reading that and WinterSoldier Vol 2. u know I stumbled upon Captain America Red White and Blue and caught the words Ross and Dini in it, would u recommend it ? * Sends Franklin to Hell! ah explains the armor, the magic, and when he went to hell in Road to Civil War Tpb. * Especially as if people really were anti-US we wouldn't like your TV series, films, food, music - it's just your politicians we loathe - and yes, we hate ours too! It isn't as if your lot is getting special treatment! I know you guys have some good stuff over there, sigh why do politics ruined everything ? * Sounds like you've read Born Again? no unless yur talking about heroes reborn issue 1 ? * The Ultron Unlimited arc has a classic sequence: Ultron has killed the population of an entire country, the Avengers go to avenge them, the battle opens with Thor declaring: Ultron, we would have words with thee! heh everyone loved that line, if they make the Avengers movie they should add it in there. would like to see Matt Damon(see Bourne movies) to play the Star Spangled Avenger, but who could play Clint ??? * Huh, I'd have had Hill have an accident with a wood chipper by now! that's Fury first order of business....okay I'm out of topics save one er two, Secret Invasion and why does the Ultimates suck now ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 3/30 2:07pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	o then I just went to rant on something I guess no one had a problem with. score one me but I guess I have to read the entirey of Waid's run myself. * Not necessarily, I could well believe what you posted, I just find it baffling. I just bought the huge HC volume 1 today. looking forward to reading that and WinterSoldier Vol 2. * Hope you enjoy it, that volume has the Unthinkable arc with Doom - you'll be amazed how terrifying a cartoony style can be. One thing: If you like Wieringo's work seek out a copy of Tellos, it's his best work with wondrous imagery, it's only available in a large HC but it's a beautiful book. u know I stumbled upon Captain America Red White and Blue and caught the words Ross and Dini in it, would u recommend it ? * I haven't read it, but have heard mixed reviews. One recommendation I can make is Young Avengers Vols 1 & 2, quite excellent. ah explains the armor, the magic, and when he went to hell in Road to Civil War Tpb. * That's where Doom escapes from hell, Waid kept him there for quite a while. I know you guys have some good stuff over there, sigh why do politics ruined everything ? * Because it's politics? Circular reasoning I know but seems apropos. Not sure if it's so but there seems to be a bigger demand for DVD series over here than the US, possibly due to the greater channels relatively speaking combined with commercials being near-universal? We also seem to get SF/fantasy books before you too. no unless yur talking about heroes reborn issue 1 ? * Right: Go and read Daredevil: Born Again by Frank Miller when he was excellent heh everyone loved that line, * Ah, so you have read it or just heard about it? that's Fury first order of business....okay I'm out of topics save one er two, Secret Invasion and why does the Ultimates suck now ? * I may end up caving on SI, after all, gone this far and it does feature Fury...As for Ultimates....I'm so glad I bailed at Vol 2 #13... JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 3/30 2:36pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - EUC Version
	* Not necessarily, I could well believe what you posted, I just find it baffling. me too, but i'm glad fans didn't misinterpret it. * Hope you enjoy it, that volume has the Unthinkable arc with Doom - you'll be amazed how terrifying a cartoony style can be. One thing: If you like Wieringo's work seek out a copy of Tellos, it's his best work with wondrous imagery, it's only available in a large HC but it's a beautiful book. I seen his work in the Other, I like the style feels like saturday morning cartoon. looking forward to readin Torch in it. and I get some bonus pages of Waid talking. is it true Waid worked on Cap ? * I haven't read it, but have heard mixed reviews. One recommendation I can make is Young Avengers Vols 1 & 2, quite excellent. read volume 1, very well done, especially that plot twist with Kang. I like the Patriot, Eli is pretty cool. * That's where Doom escapes from hell, Waid kept him there for quite a while. him and Skull deserve to stay there longer. * Because it's politics? Circular reasoning I know but seems apropos. Not sure if it's so but there seems to be a bigger demand for DVD series over here than the US, possibly due to the greater channels relatively speaking combined with commercials being near-universal? We also seem to get SF/fantasy books before you too. yeah you do get good stuff before us, i suppose it could be also that you guys sounds like "classy and witty" americans * Right: Go and read Daredevil: Born Again by Frank Miller when he was excellent so I take it besides Heroes Reborn they had made Cap sometimes too campy ? isn't Daredevil when they introduced Elektra ? * Ah, so you have read it or just heard about it? heard about it...have to take a look. * I may end up caving on SI, after all, gone this far and it does feature Fury...As for Ultimates....I'm so glad I bailed at Vol 2 #13... well the pros is Bendiscomes full circle, we get to see Fury back, we get to see both Avengers together. and who can complain with a plot relating to Halo and john Carpenter's The Thing ? as for Ultimates, they made Hawkeye a crazy killer, I mean I could see this as a result from his family being killed but c'mon. Cap is uncharacteristically not helping an unconsious Spider-man. I mean I really enjoy Cap and Clint in the first Ultimates, they were great....but why has it gone so wrong ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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