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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/14 2:24pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 posted: Jedi Ben-I don't mind DC's arrangement for its hardcovers. The Sinestro Corps Tales aren't really essential reading, they just help fill in gaps, give some more background on characters, or just fill space in some cases. At least Secret Files and Origins will be in the Tales hardcover, I think, that was a nice special. I haven't wasted money on Secret Invasion, but I'm mostly up to date on everything that's happened, I think (half the Marvel Universe has been blown up! Wait, that happens on a daily basis, never mind...). I've seen the trailer for the clash of the Legions, though I'd wish they would first explain how all the different Legions (pre-Crisis, current Legion, or heck, even where the other Legions went). Have to disagree on the Tales of the Sinestro Corps, there's a good amount of story in there that explains later developments and the Superboy-Prime one-shot is a fairly major confrontation. You might like Incredible Herc, as there's something of a light-hearted attitude to it in part, coupled with heroics. As for the Legions, Johns has an uncanny knack for being to get the most out of DC's rich history, so I suspect he'll pull it off. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/14 8:24pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I've seen the trailer for the clash of the Legions, though I'd wish they would first explain how all the different Legions (pre-Crisis, current Legion, or heck, even where the other Legions went). Honestly, I think Legion continuity is hopelessly beyond repair. And this is as a Legion fan. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 4/14 9:54pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Yeah, Legion continuity is a mess, to say the least. At least the original Legion is back in continuity, even if I disliked the arc with them in Action Comics (wow, Superman doesn't visit for a few decades, and 31st century earth falls apart so quickly, led by a moron and bunch of rejects). And a version of the Legion showed up during Infinite Crisis too, right? During one of those issues where there were dozens/hundreds of earth, and they finally found someone, or something like that. Though I'm kinda wondering whatever happened to Bart Allen's origin, since he spent time in the... post-Crisis 30th century? Oh well, he's dead now, so it doesn't really matter. At least with 52 earths (well, 40-something earths now, after Countdown wrecked a couple of earths), there's some room for explanation on the various Legions. As long as Supergirl isn't involved again. When she hijacked the current Legion title, it was horrible. And I've seen and heard some good things about Incredible Herc, but... well, I just don't like that he fought on the wrong side of WWH, and that kid genius jerk is extremly annoying. Though Ares'... creative ways of enforcing the laws is very funny. If only Mighty Avengers Ares was like that more, then that series might be more interesting. Wait, nah, not even that would save it. And the Tales stuff are still kinda side-stories. I prefer that they have all the official Sinestro Corps War Parts 1-Finale all in order. And yeah, Johns is usually a pretty good writer. Not quite perfect, but still very good. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/15 12:57am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 4/15 12:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Counterpoint, while I find the idea of a Dystopian Earth tacky and tasteless, Five Years Forward actually DESTROYED the Earth. So it's not as bad as it could be. Ultimately, I must applaud Jim Shooter for somehow making the Threeboot Legion feel like the original Legion. I admit that's probably a bit like saying Chris Claremont made the X-men feel like the X-men but its very true. The sheer staggering jump in quality on the Mark Waid Legion is really honestly difficult to convey in words. If the quality of the writing for the Threeboot continues like it is then I'm not really sure that I'll need the "Old" Legion back anymore than I needed the Golden Age/Silver Age Supermen. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/15 9:40am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I dunno when the due date for Force Unleash, but it looks pretty impressive. anyone has any expections for this game ? KOTOR quality or Force Commander Craptacular ? Nobody Oh yeah, the new Green Lantern series is very, very good. If you thought Rebirth was good, the Sinestro Corps War is even better, as is most of the lead-up to that War, and those are just the first two parts of a trilogy, with the third part coming up in 2009. I love quite a few DC series at the moment and don't really care for most of Marvel, though there are a few exceptions, a few series that are still pretty good quality like Captain America, Iron Man and Iron Fist, even if IF's writer is leaving in a few more issues, unfortunately. On the DC side, the Booster Gold and Blue Beetle (the 3rd Beetle) series are excellent, though Blue Beetle's first mega-arc just ended, which unfortunately leads to a different writer, but there is still hope. I was happy about reading Rebirth, some deem it as a cleanup to a lacklluster storyline in the 90's(we could use that for One More Day), but Johns made the story entertaining and fun. I know he made a comment of Rebirth being like A New Hope, and Empire like Sinestro Corps, so I'm looking forward to Blackest Night, I like the idea of different color Corps emphasing on a different emotion. Green Lantern itself is a cool concept and is kinda what I been trying to find in a superhero. Sure Cap, Spidey, and the FF are awesome, but can they fly in space leviate an asteroid and police the galaxy ? not usually but the idea of a intergalactic police force is pretty sweet. sadly I couldn't find any Marvel powerhouses like Hal, but hey I was open minded to look at a different universe even though I bum out on DC. o well live and learn. I enjoy Hal's character as well, he has no fear, due to witnessing his father's death but can be reckless and do things without planning. Kyle is pretty cool, the guy that has to fill in for the greatest Green Lantern, u feel sympathy for him. also he's more green and young than Hal so he's going to be more unsure of himself, plus he's sorta a normal guy like Parker. John Stewart is cool, a former marine/artitect. I don't care for Guy Gardener, seems like a standard jock with the ring, Kilowag is cool reminds me of Chewie. and yeah some notable Marvel series today are Captain America, IronFist(not my type of thing), Iron Man(again not my type of thing), but you forget FF is getting praise with Millar and Hitch, as well as Secret Invasion starting out with a bang rather than start out slow and buildup. I expect New Avengers to pick up the quality since Volume one(introduce me to Marvel comics), and heck even some Brand New Day issues aren't bad, but I doubt they can repair the damage without another retcon. Hercules is a surprise gem, and Thor has been consistently good I hear, but again ancient myth gods aren't my thing. And is the Mario Kart Wii wheel really that fun? Oh well, in the meantime I'll just have to be content playing Super Smash Brothers Brawl until then. Oh poor US. Though I've heard the Gamecube and Classic Controller schemes are so-so, but as I never really played Double Dash that much (just Mario Kart DS), I don't mind. I just wish we could use a DS as a controller. haven't played DoubleDash sadly, when I had a DS I used to play Mario Kart. I love it, also had the one for GBA and the N64 one. boosting on turns and getting the star..... those were the days, once the next gen systems become more economical I'm going to have a hard choice between PS3 or Wii. any opinions ? Ok, all joking aside- I've never cared much for Fantasic Four myself, so not much interest in those stories, no matter how good they are. Nothing against whoever's currently writing them, its just that... I just don't care too much about a family of four with superpowers, three of whom still look perfectly normal, most of the time are extremely rich, Reed Richards can technobabble his way out of anything, they usually work very well with the government, and except for during Civil War where everyone's intelligence dropped by 50%, adored by the public. I might be wrong about some of those things, but I think I got the jist of their normal status quo. I understand man, FF is not going to be for everybody, especially if u like realistic hero types. But then again Thor isn't for everybody, neither is Iron Fist, or the rest of the comic genres. but what I like about Waid is he addresses the problems u just list and what readers usually expect with a FF story, he works and CHANGES that and makes something fantastic...no pun intended. I usually liked more underdog heroes, like Spiderman, at least until recently when Marvel printed arguably the worst story told ever. And no, I don't really count the X-men as underdogs as none of them ever really stay dead, and despite being constantly hated and feared by people, they usually have a nice, cushy mansion, even if said mansion is blown up on what seems to be a weekly basis. Too bad the best X-men writer, Whedon, can't ever follow a deadline, and Claremont's too busy showing how glorious Psylocke and Sage are to care about anyone else (just glanced through an X-men-New Excaliber crossever, Die by the Sword, TPB the other day and felt extremely bored after that). yeah Spidey has been seeing hardtimes in comics, at least the animated series is good. A mix of all things Spidey(from Bendis's Ultimate tale to Stan Lee to the movie) it all borrows a great deal from each universe, but stays true to the core concept. I agree with you about x-men not staying dead but that's comics man, but not to consider them underdogs ? They always been getting ragged on, and the fact they still fight on is cool, but I got lost somewhere in the X-men comics and I rather just avoid them at all, if possible. except if it comes to Gambit. I don't mind DC's arrangement for its hardcovers. The Sinestro Corps Tales aren't really essential reading, they just help fill in gaps, give some more background on characters, or just fill space in some cases. At least Secret Files and Origins will be in the Tales hardcover, I think, that was a nice special. I'm glad to hear that the Tales is just a tie-in. after Civil War I could use a break with buying tie-ins. I haven't wasted money on Secret Invasion, but I'm mostly up to date on everything that's happened, I think (half the Marvel Universe has been blown up! Wait, that happens on a daily basis, never mind...). u should do what JB and I are doing....or maybe what I'm doing. Chances are JB bought the issues, I just wait for the Trade. And I've seen and heard some good things about Incredible Herc, but... well, I just don't like that he fought on the wrong side of WWH, and that kid genius jerk is extremly annoying. Though Ares'... creative ways of enforcing the laws is very funny. If only Mighty Avengers Ares was like that more, then that series might be more interesting. Wait, nah, not even that would save it. Mighty Avengers, despite all the classic Avengers on the team(Wonderman, Ironman, Wasp) Bendis still has a hard time making the stories as fun as the Original New Avengers. at least the art is better to look at, with Cho and his obsession on drawing the Female antatomy. JB * There's such a lot going on in these first arcs and they're not light and fluffly at all. ie. Franklin being sent to hell by Doom. Though I would consider it dark either, it's not Frank Millar's FF with Sue as a prositute, but it has depth as a any good fantasy would. think LOTR style depthness, Franklin being sent to Hell is like Frodo at Mount Doom. I also love the fact Franklin had problems coping with that, instead of being resolved in one issue. also Waid addresses the usual problems of a FF tale with Reed making a device to stop any bad guy. Kudos to Waid. * Now you know why it's Waid who got me hooked on the FF. I thought Bryne got you hooked and Waid further establish the love of FF, I really would like to take a look at Waid's run on Cap. I hope it's just as good. * Yep, so sad he isn't around anymore. RIP Wierngo. * Buy Volume 2! All WILL be revealed! that's going to be my end of semester treat, don't spoil me either I really want to be surprise with volume 2 and 3. * You will find it is so in the next volume too. Also for info it was at issue 512 that Marvel apparently decided to fire the Waid-wieringo team from the book, but backed down in the face of a storm of protest! yur serious Marvel was willing to break up the story ? why ? are they stupid ? well they didn't realise Busiek's run at the time. * Seconded. I've been recommending COW selected Superman stories but FF is extremely good when done well. I think those 2, FF and Superman, plus Johns Green Lantern run it has that SW feel, I hear good things about Johns, he's like what Bendis is to Marvel. * Cool, it only gets even better from here on. For info, you should read: No Fear GLC: Recharge Infinite Crisis GLC: To Be A Lantern GLC: A Darker Shade Of Green Revenge Of The Green Lanterns Wanted: Hal Jordan Sinestro Corps Vol 1 Sinestro Corps Vol 2 Tales Of The Sinestro Corps I notice you didn't include the controverisal Green Lantern/ Arrow series but that's ok since I probably wouldn't have care much for it. I'm waiting for the rest of Johns run to become paberback this May and June. could you please make sense of Inifinte crisis ? I'm trying to keep anything outside of Green Lantern to minumum but if it's any good. * Be aware that DC are being idiots collecting the Sinestro Corps arc, there is a specific reading order with the various Tales forming important parts of it therefore, when you get there, get all 3 collections at once and let me know, I'll send the order to read it all in otherwise it won't be as good as it should be. you saying Tales is like a prologue or like a extended version of Sinestro Corps ? * Oh, I've been hit by several, plus POW blocks but not enough to stop me taking 1st! And I even escaped a blue shell! what do the POW blocks do ? I love dodging a blue shell, I remember I had one blue shell chasing me and hitting once I completed the race....good times. * Yep, want to discuss in depth? o yeah, perhaps you would like to start it off. I read the spoilers and shocked at how many reveals there were. We. Don't. Have. Brawl! Ain't payback a bitch? that does suck....you guys get Unleashed yet ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/15 11:08am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody, Yeah, Legion continuity is a mess, to say the least. At least the original Legion is back in continuity, even if I disliked the arc with them in Action Comics (wow, Superman doesn't visit for a few decades, and 31st century earth falls apart so quickly, led by a moron and bunch of rejects). * I have to say Johns really turned the Legion arc around with the last 3 chapters of the story, the conclusion is especially good; so if you found the earlier chapters too dark and grim, pick up Action Comics 862 and 863, you'll probably like them. As to the how, people like to be told what they want to be told and there are people who will do that, you only have to look at the devolution of US politics to see that. And a version of the Legion showed up during Infinite Crisis too, right? * Probably, that had everyone. During one of those issues where there were dozens/hundreds of earth, and they finally found someone, or something like that. Though I'm kinda wondering whatever happened to Bart Allen's origin, since he spent time in the... post-Crisis 30th century? Oh well, he's dead now, so it doesn't really matter. * Trying to fathom the intricacies of DC continuity is a fruitless pursuit! At least with 52 earths (well, 40-something earths now, after Countdown wrecked a couple of earths), there's some room for explanation on the various Legions. As long as Supergirl isn't involved again. When she hijacked the current Legion title, it was horrible. * I disagree, Waid delivered the only reasonable characterisation of her. Everyone else just made her a complete witch - think rhyming slang.... And I've seen and heard some good things about Incredible Herc, but... well, I just don't like that he fought on the wrong side of WWH, and that kid genius jerk is extremly annoying. Though Ares'... creative ways of enforcing the laws is very funny. If only Mighty Avengers Ares was like that more, then that series might be more interesting. Wait, nah, not even that would save it. * I have 112-115 on order, they haven't yet arrived. And the Tales stuff are still kinda side-stories. I prefer that they have all the official Sinestro Corps War Parts 1-Finale all in order. And yeah, Johns is usually a pretty good writer. Not quite perfect, but still very good. * No, they're not side stories, can't agree on that at all, DC have simply screwed it up. Why a company can be so skilled to create the Absolute line on one hand and then screw-up so badly within the same area is utterly baffling! MS86, Though I would consider it dark either, it's not Frank Millar's FF with Sue as a prositute, but it has depth as a any good fantasy would. think LOTR style depthness, Franklin being sent to Hell is like Frodo at Mount Doom. I also love the fact Franklin had problems coping with that, instead of being resolved in one issue. also Waid addresses the usual problems of a FF tale with Reed making a device to stop any bad guy. Kudos to Waid. * Oh yeah, it's expertly handled, but I'm just cautioing against a line of thought that goes: cartoony art = fluffy story. I thought Bryne got you hooked and Waid further establish the love of FF, I really would like to take a look at Waid's run on Cap. I hope it's just as good. * Nope, it was Waid. Talking of him, looks like his Cap run is being reprinted, there's a TPB in the Marvel July solicits. that's going to be my end of semester treat, don't spoil me either I really want to be surprise with volume 2 and 3. * You'll probably love both, they are quite excellent. yur serious Marvel was willing to break up the story ? why ? are they stupid ? well they didn't realise Busiek's run at the time. * Something to do with sales I think, the collective consensus concluded it was indeed stupidity. I think those 2, FF and Superman, plus Johns Green Lantern run it has that SW feel, I hear good things about Johns, he's like what Bendis is to Marvel. * Right now, Johns is ahead of Bendis and has been the more consistent writer the last couple of years, despite him overloading with Infinite Crisis. I notice you didn't include the controverisal Green Lantern/ Arrow series but that's ok since I probably wouldn't have care much for it. * Winick's writing failed me for the last time some time back. I'm waiting for the rest of Johns run to become paberback this May and June. could you please make sense of Inifinte crisis ? I'm trying to keep anything outside of Green Lantern to minumum but if it's any good. * Infinite Crisis establishes Superboy-Prime in the DCU and he's involved in the Sinestro Corps arc. That said, if you were to get the Tales of the Sinestro Corps there's a good background summary of where he came from. you saying Tales is like a prologue or like a extended version of Sinestro Corps ? * Nope, I'm saying the Tales form parts of the story every bit as important as the Green Lantern / Green Lantern Corps issues: Green Lantern Sinestro Corps Special: 1 Green Lantern: 21 Green Lantern Corps: 14 Green Lantern: 22 Green Lantern Corps: 15 Green Lantern: 23 Tales Of The Sinestro Corps Presents: Parallax Green Lantern Corps Tales Of The Sinestro-Corps Presents: Cyborg Superman Green Lantern: 24 Tales Of The Sinestro Corps Presents: Superman-Prime Green Lantern Corps: 17 Blue Beetle: 20 Green Lantern Corps: 18 Green Lantern: 25 * The only one I'd say you can miss here is Blue Beetle, the rest all form a very strong mosaic. what do the POW blocks do ? I love dodging a blue shell, I remember I had one blue shell chasing me and hitting once I completed the race....good times. * Screw up and steal your items I think. o yeah, perhaps you would like to start it off. I read the spoilers and shocked at how many reveals there were. * Well let's see, the biggies are Hank, Jarvis and Dugan - although given how fast Dugan returned from the dead after Wolverine Origins 10 - there was a bit of a question mark, but I don't trust Way's ability to say it was linked. I do like the notion that the Skrulls have simply taken advantage of but not instigated the various events that have screwed the heroes over. * As to the effects, I can see the Initiative and registration collapsing due to their failure in the face of the Skrull invasion, Fury retakes command of SHIELD and fires Hill's arse. But this doesn't mean everyone is friends, Stark still has to acknowledge his hubris in dealing with the Hulk and the Civil War - although Fraction may be doing this. that does suck....you guys get Unleashed yet ? * You mean the book or the game? Last I heard it was due Sept now. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/15 12:33pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 4/15 1:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	JB * Oh yeah, it's expertly handled, but I'm just cautioing against a line of thought that goes: cartoony art = fluffy story. ah I see, well I would point out all of Bruce Timm's animated work brought out adult issues in a kid's cartoon. Justice League being the best out of the shows. * Nope, it was Waid. Talking of him, looks like his Cap run is being reprinted, there's a TPB in the Marvel July solicits. I stand corrected, o that's great that they finally decide to reprint his trade. have you read any issues when he was the writer ? * You'll probably love both, they are quite excellent. I don't doubt it, I look forward to them and wish they employ one of his stories in a future FF movie, or use Skrulls invading Earth plot. * Something to do with sales I think, the collective consensus concluded it was indeed stupidity. Like DC making Hal Jordan a villian, I could have told you that would have been a bad idea. * Right now, Johns is ahead of Bendis and has been the more consistent writer the last couple of years, despite him overloading with Infinite Crisis. can't argue with that, Brubaker is also there with Millar....haven't seen much bad stuff....Iron Fist again I'll admit is not my thing. * Winick's writing failed me for the last time some time back. too preachy ? * Infinite Crisis establishes Superboy-Prime in the DCU and he's involved in the Sinestro Corps arc. That said, if you were to get the Tales of the Sinestro Corps there's a good background summary of where he came from. isn't he suppose to the most powerful evil guy running around ? * Nope, I'm saying the Tales form parts of the story every bit as important as the Green Lantern / Green Lantern Corps issues: wonder why it's not included in the trade.... * Well let's see, the biggies are Hank, Jarvis and Dugan - although given how fast Dugan returned from the dead after Wolverine Origins 10 - there was a bit of a question mark, but I don't trust Way's ability to say it was linked. I do like the notion that the Skrulls have simply taken advantage of but not instigated the various events that have screwed the heroes over. yeah with Susan being a sucide bomber...pretty much ends her skrulling days, "Hank" has already made a hit (I wonder if Reed's still alive...probably) I can see "Hank" make a few for hits before he's blown, Jarvis can really screw up Avengers mansion but does that mean there isn't another skrull on either team ???? real Dugan I hope isn't dead...can't see a skrull being able to waste the howling Commando...but I can see him really screwing with SHIELD if he gets around to it. * As to the effects, I can see the Initiative and registration collapsing due to their failure in the face of the Skrull invasion, Fury retakes command of SHIELD and fires Hill's arse. But this doesn't mean everyone is friends, Stark still has to acknowledge his hubris in dealing with the Hulk and the Civil War - although Fraction may be doing this. I agree with predicament, I also like that it's NOT the Skrulls that are causing all these former events....they're just taking advantage. For Cap I witness a few panels of 37# and I really want to believe it's Steve....but maybe Red Skull has another surprise...I also would like a explanation for Steve's body to degenerate and to be restore in the cyrotube. you think Invasion might finally unite New and Mighty Avengers, especially once Fury goes on board ? picture of Metal Gear Fury at Marvel in Secret Invasion #4 * You mean the book or the game? Last I heard it was due Sept now. game -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/15 12:52pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Actually, I'm enjoying Tony Stark as Director of SHIELD. And I say this as a HUGE Iron Man fan and guy who hates Civil War. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/15 12:59pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	actually Civil War kinda open the door for me with Tony... later I lost interest but I wanted to see Civil War from his perspective. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 4/15 1:39pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Superman-Prime doesn't really count as evil as more like extremely selfish and delusional, though given his origins, last survivor of an earth that no longer exists, its almost understandable. Not sure if he could count as most powerful, but he's definitely extremely powerful, enough to take on several dozen superheroes, as he's at the original god-like power levels of the pre-Crisis, earlier Supermen. And I think his official title now is Superman-Prime. I think its partially because DC lost that suit to the family of the original creators of Superman, so they can't use the term Superboy anymore, which is why everyone calls Connor Connor now instead of Superboy, but it also works as another sign of how huge his ego has become, in that he's calling himself a Superman now. On Secret Invasion- the Sue Skrull was... well, I would say disappointing, but I wasn't expecting much from SI anyway. Mystique could've just walked in as a tourist, turn into Susan along the way, then blow up Richards' lab. Well, without the suicide aspect of it, but still, after all those months of "who do you trust," I was expecting more infiltrators, sleeper agents, not just random shapeshifting aliens run amuck, like Jarvis for instance, or the Elecktra Skrull. She got past the physical sensors fine, but its not like she passed anyone with particularly good senses (psychic or otherwise), just Jonny and the Richards kids, though not sure how much power those kids ever have (at one point they're depowered, but who knows when they're repowered as well). And I know X-men are constantly being ragged on, but I still viewed their situation as far better than Spidey's, as they have jets, mansions, more members than most people can easily remember. Although I think there's a difference between being underdogs and having things just drop farther and farther. The last couple of X-men events usually haven't ended well. Not to mention the X-men can't catch a villain to save any of their lives, even when said villains are half-dead and on the ground missing several limbs, and they still manage to escape, despite several dozen X-men standing there. The Tales of the Sinestro Corps stuff is somewhat important, but usually TPBs contain around 5-7 issues, and the main Sinestro Corps War storyline was about a dozen issues, so that's already enough to fill two TPBs. So they could either stretch the War out to three TPBs, putting the Tales stuff where it originally was, or put all the extra stuff in its own book. Maybe if they make an Absolute or some giant Green Lantern Sinestro Corps War omnibus they'll put all the Tales stuff in the right place, but that kind of thing probably won't happen for a while, might not happen till 2009 when they're leading up to Blackest Night. Yeah, I guess the Waid Supergirl was slightly more tolerable than others, but she was still annoying with how she was the center of attention. Though that was sorta understandable, given who she was. Although having her as Legion leader was both horrible and ridiculous since she had next to no clue what to do, and Braniac 5 had almost free reign at that time. I know the Shooter soft-reboot has been pretty good, I just miss Braniac 5 manipulating things so far. And not sure why Supergirl was even on the Teen Titans for a while. Some issues are good, a lot are just... somewhat random these days. Though if you like outer-space sci-fi stuff, Marvel's Nova series is also pretty good. Nova used to be one of many Nova Centurions, but the Centurious were wiped out during Annihilation, so he got the whole Nova Force now. He stopped by earth, saw that it had gone psycho and got off before it was too late, then got swept up into Annihilation Conquest, got infected, looked for a cure, and now is probably going to factor into Conquest's finale somehow. Blue Beetle from DC is also a pretty good series, with great humor, some cool sci-fi concepts, and generally pretty good storytelling. Though the Sinestro Corps crossover was so-so from what I've heard, but otherwise, Jaime's adventures are pretty good too. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/15 2:25pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody Superman-Prime doesn't really count as evil as more like extremely selfish and delusional, though given his origins, last survivor of an earth that no longer exists, its almost understandable. Not sure if he could count as most powerful, but he's definitely extremely powerful, enough to take on several dozen superheroes, as he's at the original god-like power levels of the pre-Crisis, earlier Supermen. And I think his official title now is Superman-Prime. thanks for the info, still he seems to not mind working with evil ppl. I can understand he went through a great ordeal but wouldn't he be please to see people living on Earth even though it's a parallel world ? I hear it's John's creation...despite the legal stuff I like that they found a way to work it into the story. On Secret Invasion- the Sue Skrull was... well, I would say disappointing, but I wasn't expecting much from SI anyway. Mystique could've just walked in as a tourist, turn into Susan along the way, then blow up Richards' lab. Well, without the suicide aspect of it, but still, after all those months of "who do you trust," I was expecting more infiltrators, sleeper agents, not just random shapeshifting aliens run amuck, like Jarvis for instance, or the Elecktra Skrull. She got past the physical sensors fine, but its not like she passed anyone with particularly good senses (psychic or otherwise), just Jonny and the Richards kids, though not sure how much power those kids ever have (at one point they're depowered, but who knows when they're repowered as well). the problem with your assestment is Mystique would have been detected by Reed's sensors, none of the "new" Super Skrulls can be sense through magic, machine, telepathy, spider sense, or Logan's nose, hence the skrull could just walk in. but I think the intention was either a diversion or a message to the Richard's family. also you realize it's only been one issue and there are more skrull agents, we just witness just a few in the 1st issue. as for Franklin and Val, they currently do not have powers and i like it to stay that way. And I know X-men are constantly being ragged on, but I still viewed their situation as far better than Spidey's, as they have jets, mansions, more members than most people can easily remember. Although I think there's a difference between being underdogs and having things just drop farther and farther. The last couple of X-men events usually haven't ended well. Not to mention the X-men can't catch a villain to save any of their lives, even when said villains are half-dead and on the ground missing several limbs, and they still manage to escape, despite several dozen X-men standing there. true the x-men have the luxury of a school while Peter is by himself, even though that school blows up every once in a while things with the x-men have been a running joke as of late which is why I avoid them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJX8_d0zmQ The Tales of the Sinestro Corps stuff is somewhat important, but usually TPBs contain around 5-7 issues, and the main Sinestro Corps War storyline was about a dozen issues, so that's already enough to fill two TPBs. So they could either stretch the War out to three TPBs, putting the Tales stuff where it originally was, or put all the extra stuff in its own book. Maybe if they make an Absolute or some giant Green Lantern Sinestro Corps War omnibus they'll put all the Tales stuff in the right place, but that kind of thing probably won't happen for a while, might not happen till 2009 when they're leading up to Blackest Night. I might get the tpbs once they come out in may and june then. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/15 2:36pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	MS86, I stand corrected, o that's great that they finally decide to reprint his trade. have you read any issues when he was the writer ? * No, I've only heard about it by reputation. Like DC making Hal Jordan a villian, I could have told you that would have been a bad idea. * The motive was quite compelling though. Later DC did indeed get themselves in a hole with the whole situation. can't argue with that, Brubaker is also there with Millar....haven't seen much bad stuff....Iron Fist again I'll admit is not my thing. * Brubaker on Cap = Gold. His X-Men and Daredevil haven't been as good, since the end of the initial stories although Marvel seem hellbent on screwing up the Vulcan plot by having everything go his way, when he's a cardboard charactrer who wasn't that interesting. Daredevil since #93 has meandered and the Without Fear conclusion felt like the archetypal Daredevil story thus not that interesting. - Winick's writing failed me for the last time some time back. too preachy ? * Just plain rubbish. isn't he suppose to the most powerful evil guy running around ? * One of them. wonder why it's not included in the trade.... * Because DC are sometimes idiots at colecting stories. For example there were 4 series leading up to Infinite Crisis, then they did a special for each one, placed so it could go between issues of Infinite Crisis. Logically, a collection should be IC 1-7 plus carefully placed specials. No - DC split them - IC and IC: Companion. yeah with Susan being a sucide bomber...pretty much ends her skrulling days, "Hank" has already made a hit (I wonder if Reed's still alive...probably) I can see "Hank" make a few for hits before he's blown, Jarvis can really screw up Avengers mansion but does that mean there isn't another skrull on either team ???? real Dugan I hope isn't dead...can't see a skrull being able to waste the howling Commando...but I can see him really screwing with SHIELD if he gets around to it. * Right before Fury blows his head off probably. I agree with predicament, I also like that it's NOT the Skrulls that are causing all these former events....they're just taking advantage. For Cap I witness a few panels of 37# and I really want to believe it's Steve....but maybe Red Skull has another surprise...I also would like a explanation for Steve's body to degenerate and to be restore in the cyrotube. * Is it Steve though? you think Invasion might finally unite New and Mighty Avengers, especially once Fury goes on board ? * Temporarily, maybe. I can't see the New guys forgiving Stark and co for some of the crap they've pulled anytime soon. picture of Metal Gear Fury at Marvel in Secret Invasion #4 * "I'm no hero. Never was." The funny thing is, I can see Fury coming out with this. Charles, Actually, I'm enjoying Tony Stark as Director of SHIELD. And I say this as a HUGE Iron Man fan and guy who hates Civil War. * Indeed. The reason I went and grabbed the Knaufs' post-CW arc is, first, the conclusion to it is due this week, Iron Man #28, but second, there has been a huge positive buzz from people who I trust. Nobody, Superman-Prime doesn't really count as evil as more like extremely selfish and delusional, though given his origins, last survivor of an earth that no longer exists, its almost understandable. * He lost my sympathy when he started ripping people's arms off then following that up with beating people to death and descrating graves and cemeteries. Not sure if he could count as most powerful, but he's definitely extremely powerful, enough to take on several dozen superheroes, as he's at the original god-like power levels of the pre-Crisis, earlier Supermen. And I think his official title now is Superman-Prime. * I dislike the title, greatly, but you#'re probably right. I think its partially because DC lost that suit to the family of the original creators of Superman, so they can't use the term Superboy anymore, which is why everyone calls Connor Connor now instead of Superboy, but it also works as another sign of how huge his ego has become, in that he's calling himself a Superman now. * Have to agree. On Secret Invasion- the Sue Skrull was... well, I would say disappointing, but I wasn't expecting much from SI anyway. Mystique could've just walked in as a tourist, turn into Susan along the way, then blow up Richards' lab. Well, without the suicide aspect of it, but still, after all those months of "who do you trust," I was expecting more infiltrators, sleeper agents, not just random shapeshifting aliens run amuck, like Jarvis for instance, or the Elecktra Skrull. She got past the physical sensors fine, but its not like she passed anyone with particularly good senses (psychic or otherwise), just Jonny and the Richards kids, though not sure how much power those kids ever have (at one point they're depowered, but who knows when they're repowered as well). * Depends when the switch happened - if it was before the hand got her, then the Skrull was fooling SHIELD. The Tales of the Sinestro Corps stuff is somewhat important, but usually TPBs contain around 5-7 issues, and the main Sinestro Corps War storyline was about a dozen issues, so that's already enough to fill two TPBs. So they could either stretch the War out to three TPBs, putting the Tales stuff where it originally was, or put all the extra stuff in its own book. * The 3 TPBs would be the better option, although given 52 is collected in 4 vols, there's no reason why all 20-odd parts could go into 2 volumes. Maybe if they make an Absolute or some giant Green Lantern Sinestro Corps War omnibus they'll put all the Tales stuff in the right place, but that kind of thing probably won't happen for a while, might not happen till 2009 when they're leading up to Blackest Night. * Well, with the precedent of Absolute Sandman set, they can't say it's too big and a full collection of Johns GL run will likely sell a ton. Yeah, I guess the Waid Supergirl was slightly more tolerable than others, but she was still annoying with how she was the center of attention. Though that was sorta understandable, given who she was. Although having her as Legion leader was both horrible and ridiculous since she had next to no clue what to do, and Braniac 5 had almost free reign at that time. * Yeah, fortunately Bedard got rid of her at the end of that arc. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." 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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/15 2:49pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	1. Well I liked the Supergirl of the Legion because she was the REAL Supergirl rather than the weird Brittney Spears/Darkseid harlot that exists in her own book. 2. Superman-Prime is a lunatic and a sadist. Basically, he's pretty much Parallax from Zero Hour without the Hal Jordan justification. Given he's destroyed an entire UNIVERSE, I think that he pretty much qualifies and absolutely and positively deserving to die as much as can honestly exist. 3. Regarding the Skrull invasion, I rather like a return of them as Cold War paranoia incarnate. However, it's difficult to take them seriously given the fact they've been treated as disposable mooks for the past few decades. Likewise, the simple fact is that Annihilation made it seem like the Skrulls were on their last legs while this is trying to make them into an overwhelming and unstoppable force. I'm actually most worried about the long impact for a minor character. Specifically, Jessica Jones. Jewel was amongst the Skrulls kidnapped and since Luke Cage's baby is seemingly Skrully, it might well be that she (and the entire Alias series) have been retconned as Skrullpedia. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/15 3:12pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charlemagne19 posted: I'm actually most worried about the long impact for a minor character. Specifically, Jessica Jones. Jewel was amongst the Skrulls kidnapped and since Luke Cage's baby is seemingly Skrully, it might well be that she (and the entire Alias series) have been retconned as Skrullpedia. I can tell you now, that if this does turn out to be the case, Bendis will have lost a good many fans in the process. People will be seriously, seriously hacked off. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/15 3:39pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben posted: I can tell you now, that if this does turn out to be the case, Bendis will have lost a good many fans in the process. People will be seriously, seriously hacked off. I confess, I have a fondness for shapeshifting gals. Mystique, Lyja, and the like. However, the entire idea of retconning Alias leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth just to make one of the few happily married characters in fiction single again. It's like One More Day in microism. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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