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MasterSkywalker86
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1/23 2:06pm
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RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
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ha ha ha
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I-poodoo
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1/23 2:09pm
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I'd like to be a part of the SOS here.
Luke has always been a fave of mine-back in the elementary school days when my friends always argued over who got to play Han during recess I always wanted to be Luke...but I digress.
And recently I've felt that I needed to get back behind the side of the good guys much more which means backing Luke and the Jedi and the Big 3.
As for the original statement of the SOS about Luke not getting a fair portrayal in the recent EU. I acknowledge the argument, but it doesn't bother me that much, at least not to the point where I'll bash the current crop of books. I've always avoided the SOS in Lit because I thought that was what it came down to (bashing), and frankly thought it was contradictory...Bashing requires hatred and desire for control which is so not what Luke stands for at all.
Yeah, I admit I've never checked to see for myself. So, I've decided to give this a go if you guys'll have me?
And as for post length: that depends on the quality of the conversation doesn't it? If you provide interesting, thought-out, and compelling topics for discussion, and you'll recieve interesting, thought-out, and compelling replies in response-quality is paramount-the length of those posts short or long doesn't really matter as long as they are of good quality, right?
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MasterSkywalker86
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1/23 2:11pm
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welcome to SOS Ipoodoo, we don't bash we just dont like the current depictions of Luke in EU lately.
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I-poodoo
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1/23 2:22pm
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Master starwalker86 posted
welcome to SOS I-poodoo, we don't bash we just dont like the current depictions of Luke in EU lately.
That's a relief. I was hoping I was suffering under a false assumption there, but I was always too afraid to try the SOS out in its previous location because of it.
And as I said I too have thought Luke has been pushed aside a bit too soon in the EU, but it hasn't bothered me as much, perhaps that's because I liked the other characters too.
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MasterSkywalker86
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That's a relief. I was hoping I was suffering under a false assumption there, but I was always too afraid to try the SOS out in its previous location because of it.
And as I said I too have thought Luke has been pushed aside a bit too soon in the EU, but it hasn't bothered me as much, perhaps that's because I liked the other characters too.
I think we're one of friendlest threads.....well used to exist. it's not only Luke, but the other classic characters as well.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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1/23 4:51pm
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Rouge77 posted:
See? The curse of EUC has already made people post your typical short EUC posts...
Threads always reflect their surroundings.
I'll say this once.
If you have issues or concerns, PM either Havac or myself. We were responsible for the decision to move the thread, but don't poison the thread here--especially if you're trying to argue on its behalf.
Any further posts on the issue will be considered trolling and may likely result in a ban. Any posts insulting a particular user or board will be considered flaming and may likely result in a ban.
We don't play rough here, and we prefer a positive experience. We want this move to be as comfortable as possible for everyone and we'd certainly like you to be able to post as you always have. However, we're not going to let the JC rules go down. Moderator actions are not discussed in public and users/forums are not insulted--these are boardwide rules and they are not up for debate.
I will, however, assure you that you'll have a positive atmosphere with a generally light moderator hand here. Discuss the literature, the other sources, the nature of the character, speculate on the future, do whatever it is you wish to do and so long as it's not flaming a user/author, hateful towards EU works (i.e. "I hated Luke's portrayal in Crystal Star because it was horribly off" is great but "Man, CS sucks" isn't), and not horribly off topic you'll be able to do what you always have.
So enjoy a fresh new thread--which would have occured were this thread still in Lit regardless. And also try to welcome the new blood and fresh perspectives, as there are plenty of Skywalker fans on this board. Why alienate your fellow fans?
MS86 and poodoo above present a good example of the positive nature of this change.
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MasterSkywalker86
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1/23 5:28pm
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I will, however, assure you that you'll have a positive atmosphere with a generally light moderator hand here. Discuss the literature, the other sources, the nature of the character, speculate on the future, do whatever it is you wish to do and so long as it's not flaming a user/author, hateful towards EU works (i.e. "I hated Luke's portrayal in Crystal Star because it was horribly off" is great but "Man, CS sucks" isn't), and not horribly off topic you'll be able to do what you always have.
So we can't say dislike some books ? I mean I know we don't attack the author, but what about the work ? not to mention we usually have reasons why the novel wasn't enjoyable. I mean we all have opinions.
so this will be just like the Lit board ?
So enjoy a fresh new thread--which would have occured were this thread still in Lit regardless. And also try to welcome the new blood and fresh perspectives, as there are plenty of Skywalker fans on this board. Why alienate your fellow fans?
I wish we could have some more regulars and newbies around though....
MS86 and poodoo above present a good example of the positive nature of this change.
thanks for the complement....heh heh you said poodoo  srry I'm 5
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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Hello, I'm here. 
Luke... the central focus of SW, the main hero. The icon, the show-stoppah!
*Ahem*
It would've been nice if he was portrayed better in the NJO/DN/LOTF. Seriously.
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MasterSkywalker86
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1/23 5:31pm
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^^ duh
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GrandAdmiralJello
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1/23 5:47pm
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So we can't say dislike some books ? I mean I know we don't attack the author, but what about the work ? not to mention we usually have reasons why the novel wasn't enjoyable. I mean we all have opinions.
You can say you disliked book X, you can say that book X felt non-SWsy, or childish, or whatever. Anything like that's fine. It's a fair opinion and if it's backed up by reasons, it's even better. You just can't say that it sucks in general, because that's a little too negative--and unnecessary when you could just say you really don't like it.
so this will be just like the Lit board ?
In what sense? In terms of rules about bashing and what not? Yeah, those are board wide.
In terms of how you guys used to post? Sure, go for it. We don't want to change you. You might even find it easier here because opinions are perfectly okay since we're a discussion board, not an analytical board like Lit.
I wish we could have some more regulars and newbies around though....
If there's a regular you think hasn't been able to find the new thread, feel free to PM them with a link.
thanks for the complement....heh heh you said poodoo srry I'm 5
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MasterSkywalker86
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You can say you disliked book X, you can say that book X felt non-SWsy, or childish, or whatever. Anything like that's fine. It's a fair opinion and if it's backed up by reasons, it's even better. You just can't say that it sucks in general, because that's a little too negative--and unnecessary when you could just say you really don't like it.
that sounds like what we usually do. we rarely ever just say something sucks, and we always back up our opinions.
In terms of how you guys used to post? Sure, go for it. We don't want to change you. You might even find it easier here because opinions are perfectly okay since we're a discussion board, not an analytical board like Lit.
again that's how we roll
If there's a regular you think hasn't been able to find the new thread, feel free to PM them with a link.
I suppose though.
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I know, but the opportunity was there. 
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Nobody145
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I'm still hanging around. Not that I'm anybody important, but I've been following the 2.0 thread since... well, not the beginning, of course, since I only registered last year, but still for quite a while, at least a couple dozen of pages.
I wish Luke could do more in the current LotF books, but I guess its kinda a good sign that Luke is so powerful that they have to keep Luke from any prolonged duel with the bad guy or else Luke would win, and the series would be over already.
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MasterSkywalker86
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well with the 3rd version of this board I wanted to know if the books have made any progression with the OT characters.
I'm still hanging around. Not that I'm anybody important, but I've been following the 2.0 thread since... well, not the beginning, of course, since I only registered last year, but still for quite a while, at least a couple dozen of threads.
I think it been great to have you along for the ride man. besides your a regular on SOS.
I wish Luke could do more in the current LotF books, but I guess its kinda a good sign that Luke is so powerful that they have to keep Luke from any prolonged duel with the bad guy or else Luke would win, and the series would be over already.
I agree, Luke is so powerful that writers can't come up with a god villan for him to fight with.
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Nobody145 posted:
I wish Luke could do more in the current LotF books, but I guess its kinda a good sign that Luke is so powerful that they have to keep Luke from any prolonged duel with the bad guy or else Luke would win, and the series would be over already.
I think the problem here is that... well, no-one should be able to touch him by this point *except* possibly Caedus (I mean, the whole point in introducing a Skywalker-blooded Sith would seem, to me, to be so that Luke can have a real challenge). Luke shouldn't need "prolonged duels" to win. He should just win straight up in a matter of seconds.
I can't buy Lumiya as a serious threat to Luke. Sure, I think she's hella powerful... but do I think she's Palpatine or Vader powerful? No... and I'm certain that Luke is WAAYYY beyond Vader by 40 ABY.
Essentially, I look at it like this, the author needs to think: "How would I write Yoda in this situation?"
Can you imagine Lumiya holding off Yoda for as long as she did Luke in Tempest or Exile?
THEN they need to think: "How would I write Yoda if he were TWICE AS POWERFUL?"
Then they'll figure out how to write Luke.
Inferno was great insofar as it showed Luke really... "cutting loose", to some extent. Yet, really, we should have been seeing that earlier and against *Lumiya*. Not against *Caedus* who is supposed to be the big bad THREAT.
Luke pinning Lumiya effortlessly would have been awesome.
Luke doing it to Caedus is awesome, sure, but... it detracts from Caedus' point. Which is to be "the most threatening villian since Darth Vader". He's failing miserably.
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Nobody145
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I don't mind the Luke vs. Lumiya duel in Inferno too much, as Lumiya was hurling hostages left and right at Luke, not to mention egging them on to attack Luke. Its sorta like how Yoda was easily winning against Dooku, but then when Dooku dropped something on Obi-wan and Anakin, Yoda had to concentrate on saving them, letting Dooku get away.
The Sacrifice duel was just annoying, as it was very short, and we know Lumiya was ready to die to help get the blame off Jacen. Luke of course didn't know that at the time, but afterwards, when he finds out for sure that Lumiya didn't kill Mara, then he knows that this was Lumiya's way of getting at him one last time.
I know Dark Nest Trilogy isn't the most... popular piece of literature in recent years, but if nothing else, it had a powerful Luke taking on both Raynar and Lomi Plo, both of who had their Force powers pumped up by the Killik nests and collective mind.
The part where Luke pinned Caedus to the chair was awesome, as that just showed how big of a gap there was between Luke and Caedus, even after Caedus became an official Darth Sith Lord. What was annoying was how later on in the book, when he walks in on his nephew brutally torturing his son, Luke doesn't pin Caedus to a wall and start slashing. Or, if Luke's being merciful, at least pin him to a wall then knock him out. Heck, Luke was winning the conventional duel, and Ben's distractions let Caedus survive, not Caedus' own skill. Although I'm still not sure what was the exact result was, as Luke doesn't dwell on how he was doing against Caedus too much (he's brooding more over how close Ben was to the darkside), and whenever Caedus reflects on it, he thinks how great he did against Luke Skywalker.
There's a fine balance concerning how powerful Luke should be, and unfortunately... for story purposes, all-powerful Skywalker simply doesn't work. Anakin (Skywalker) was very powerful and he never even reached the age of thirty, as he was burnt alive and wasn't as powerful afterwards (the exact cause is debatable, but after Mustafar, Vader definitely wasn't powerful enough to overthrow Palpatine). Luke has had decades to refine his own skills, but at the same time, flashy displays of power aren't really good as power corrupts and what not. Also, Luke's own physical age slows him down a little, but still left him far, far ahead of his neice and nephew at the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War (with how Luke was slicing through warriors left and right on their climb up the stairs in TUF, and Jaina and Jacen were having a hard time handling the leftovers that Luke didn't take down). There was Jacen's temporary "shining" moment, but that can be chalked up as one of those temporary "superpower" moments. I think Luke's had them occasionally.
Anyway, the worst problem is that even though Luke's getting older, he's had decades to train, so even now, with Caedus with his darkside power-up, is still not quite at Luke's level. He's a match for Luke in a duel, sure, but Caedus isn't really eager to go another round with Luke alone. Hence why he has lots of YVH on standby. Its arguable that Caedus is gaining power at a faster rate than Luke, but in terms of mental stability... well, Luke's reeling from grief, but still somewhat active (at least after Ben's pep talk), while Caedus is obviously losing it, as is the fate of most manaical Sith. Which means its up to the next generation to try to take down Caedus, unless Luke recovers that fast, but... with the current cover, almost anybody (meaning Luke, Jaina or even Ben) might get to solve the Caedus problem. Too bad two out of the three still aren't Force powerhouses. Oh well, there's still one book to go so who knows.
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