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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/22 1:59pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 On the Vaapad thing, it could just be an instinctive use. Or it could just be an author mistake too, as I'm not sure if even Force instinct is enough to use Vaapad, as Vaapad was specifically developed by Mace Windu, and comes very close to the darkside. A stable Jedi Master could use it, So you're thinking that maybe the author didn't realize exactly wha Vaapad was? That's possible, I suppose. But the author here is Luceno, and he seems to have an encyclopedic mind about all things Star Wars. I think he probably knew exactly who developed it. I CAN see Luke instinctively using it too. Mace Windu may have developed it originally, but I can see Luke as powerful enough to reinvent it himself. And for once, I'm trying to think optimistically- while it seems like Luke is more often ineffective rather than effective, the rare times Luke is effective is usually enough to end things, so they have to keep Luke restrained to keep events from ending sooner. I agree with that. Unfortunately, when one has to wait for 19 books or 3 books for Luke to finally become effective, it's pretty frustrating. And I'm concerned that there won't be any good Luke ending in Invincible. Luke seems to be out of the main action in that book.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/22 3:46pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	James Luceno wrote TUF before Shatterpoint came out, actually. However, he says that Vaapad is very clearly something that he was going for when he wrote it and told me in the interview that he thinks that its an excellent way of conveying what was on the page. As for what Luke attacked Shimmra with, it was meant to be just a kind of taser attack from Luke. -----signature----- Come see our alternate NJO: http://tinyurl.com/ycesjq Endor was like the Imperials being assaulted by a hundred Tolkien Dwarf Rangers with a body hair problem.
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/22 4:30pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 4/22 4:32pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Rouge77
	ChildOfWinds posted: And eventually Luke has to step down. Why, R77? Yoda didn't. It's either that Luke stays as a Grand Master until his death or that he retires at some point; so far LotF seems to foreshadow the latter. Luke seems to be emotionally tired. I think his resignation and retirement of some sort might happen in the near future. Yoda kind of stepped down when he went in to exile on Dagobah, leaving hundreds of his Jedi Knights to be hunted down and killed - or in some cases, corrupted - by the Empire. I don't think that Yoda can be said to have been a Grand Master after 19 BBY because of this. What he did was probably the right thing to do considering how things turned out, yet still I feel that this was a case where Yoda had a moral responsibility towards the survivors of Order 66: He should have tried to help them. Yes, he would have almost certainly died. But Obi-wan, even as a Force Ghost, might have been able to train Luke on his own. -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!!
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/22 7:10pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charlemagne19 James Luceno wrote TUF before Shatterpoint came out, actually. However, he says that Vaapad is very clearly something that he was going for when he wrote it and told me in the interview that he thinks that its an excellent way of conveying what was on the page. Okay, thanks! As for what Luke attacked Shimmra with, it was meant to be just a kind of taser attack from Luke. Taser??? To kind of immobolize him? It didn't seem to do that. I guess I'm getting confused her though. Didn't Luke use the green lightning or Force justice or whatever it was on the slayers? Rouge77 It's either that Luke stays as a Grand Master until his death or that he retires at some point; so far LotF seems to foreshadow the latter. Luke seems to be emotionally tired. I think his resignation and retirement of some sort might happen in the near future. But if Luke steps down, what is he going to spend the rest of his life doing? Moping around and pining for his lost Mara and hoping to join her, as Ben suggested?
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 4/23 5:59pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	http://www.terrania.us/liberty/ If anyone wants to join in, from 9:00 to 9:45 Eastern, I'll be on the Robotech Show here as a guest caller. -----signature----- Come see our alternate NJO: http://tinyurl.com/ycesjq Endor was like the Imperials being assaulted by a hundred Tolkien Dwarf Rangers with a body hair problem.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/24 8:06pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charlemagne19 If anyone wants to join in, from 9:00 to 9:45 Eastern, I'll be on the Robotech Show here as a guest caller. So how did that go, C? Anything of special interest for us?
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Sinrebirth Title: Hierarch and Chancellor of EUCity Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/25 2:40pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Anyone grabbed the first issue of Secret Invasion? -----signature----- Sey's Sinre Darth Insipid - EUC Sith Emperor Single adherent of the Kueller = Palpatine theory The First Star Wars Canon Apologist
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/26 2:02am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Sinrebirth posted: Anyone grabbed the first issue of Secret Invasion? Yup, what do you want to discuss about it? I mean there's plenty so need a starting point. Will be getting MA12 today too and findin out what Fury's been up to! Oh and a recommendation: There's a new Guardians of the Galaxy series coming out in the wake of Annihilation Conquest - which is recommended too - in May, for which a preview was posted on Cup o Joe at Myspace and it makes very funny reading, especially Rocket Raccoon's name for the squad that Quill wants to set up to deal with future threats: "Asskickers of the Fantastic"! -----signature----- Other guy: Could I have your autograph? Darth Vader: No, **** off or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne all'arrabiata or you shall die! And you and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!
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Sinrebirth Title: Hierarch and Chancellor of EUCity Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/26 4:32pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I wanna discuss the Skrull agents/clones that seem to not know they're Skrulls. I reckon Invasion #1 is implying that they're sleeper agents who activate without warning. Is that just me? Is everyone from that ship a Skrull or the original? It's very complicated for me. I mean, logically, we know a few people who aren't Skrulls, considering the effort being put into knocking them out of commission, but who I reckon is Mr Marvel returning? I know he's a Skrull (or at least believe he is), but that surprised me. What the heck is the Skrull plan? -----signature----- Sey's Sinre Darth Insipid - EUC Sith Emperor Single adherent of the Kueller = Palpatine theory The First Star Wars Canon Apologist
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/27 3:53am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Sinny, I wanna discuss the Skrull agents/clones that seem to not know they're Skrulls. I reckon Invasion #1 is implying that they're sleeper agents who activate without warning. Is that just me? * Nope, you'll find quite a few people have noticed this. It would be an excellent way of doing it for the infiltrator would not exhibit any indication they were not who they appear to be then bang! Is everyone from that ship a Skrull or the original? It's very complicated for me. * Here I'm very sceptical: Marvel may indeed do a radical rewriting of some characters, OMD is evidence of the willingness to do so BUT certain characters, if so treated, will create the kind of backlash Marvel would be wise to avoid, I'm thinking here of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. If the whole point of the work Bendis has done with these two was to conclude in a '&^% you' twist to the readers, I cannot see any other reaction than a plummeting of his stock with the fans. Similarly Cap can't be real due to the staus of Brubaker's work on the title, it'd undercut a brilliant run. I mean, logically, we know a few people who aren't Skrulls, considering the effort being put into knocking them out of commission, but who I reckon is Mr Marvel returning? I know he's a Skrull (or at least believe he is), but that surprised me. I think not in regard to Marvel, there's a bit too much liking for his original death for them to bring them back; certainly the amount of vitriol reaped by Civil War: The Return likely prompted the recent revelation. What the heck is the Skrull plan? * For all its complexity and sleight of hand, it's really quite simple: To take over the Earth with a minimum of effort. JB -----signature----- Other guy: Could I have your autograph? Darth Vader: No, **** off or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne all'arrabiata or you shall die! And you and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 4/28 10:31pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	"What are we going to do tomorrow night, Skrull?" "The same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world!" Honestly, its not like comic book villains usually have that deep motives, especially in a Marvel "break the Internet in half" event. So far, the main thing they've accomplished with these events is break people's brains with how stupid they are. I haven't bothered to waste money on much Marvel stuff (aside from Iron Fist and occasional issues from other series like Thor, Nova, etc.), but I'm mostly caught up to date on the latest event. Probably most, if not all of the characters who got out of that ship are just more Skrulls, though its up in the air whether they're sleeper agents or just more impersonators like the Sue Skrull, though there's a slim chance that Marvel might decide to shake the status quo up to declare a long-time character a Skrull (and I think its been mentioned that in some case its been decades). There are some obvious ones that are obviously Skrulls, like Spiderman, probably most of the X-men (since the X-men are still dealing with the fallout from their last major event, they probably won't be affected too much by SI). Of course, it also depends on whether Marvel's EIC or someone equally powerful has a particular crusade against any particular character or coupling. coughOMDcough I'm not old enough to remember the original Captain Marvel, and still not sure what the hell is going on with him. Originally he's dead, then shows up during Civil War through some sort of time travel, but still mght have terminal cancer, but then he might just be a Skrull sleeper agent or not who might or might not be following his sleeper program by crashing through Thunderbolts mountain? Not that that is necessarily a bad act, considering who the Thunderbolts are, but still, its quite convoluted. And I'm curious whether Annihilation will be mentioned. I thought the Skrull and Kree Empires took a lot of damage during the Annihilation events, though the Kree got a lot more focus, and you'd think the SuperSkrull would be involved somehow, given that he's one of the more famous Skrull characters. Based on SI #1, some might be sleeper agents, a lot of the time we might simply have a character, he or she gets sucker punched, thrown in a closet and is replaced (ie Dugan), or the Skrull simply walks in as a character while the original character is out to lunch (and with some characters like Daredevil, Spiderman or Wolverine, its not like their locations are ever all that concrete) like with the Susan Storm Skrull. Blackbolt's one of the more vitally important missing characters, but not sure if they've even bothered to explain what's going on on the moon after Son of M, Silent War and whatever else comes next. The heroes will pull something together, even if they look extremely pathetic right now with the Stupid, er, Secret Avengers and Moronic, er, Mighty Avengers bickering... again... for the upteenth time... in a Bendis written issue. Wonder how much they'll retcon though. Tony's not a Skrull, Reed Richards is currently splattered (like that'll stop him for more than five minutes, though on the other hand, they might keep him locked up for most of the issue to avoid the "surprise" revelation of how the Skrulls are doing such perfect shapeshifting) but who knows how much else they can conveniently retcon with this. Thor has his own good ongoing series which hopefully will avoid interaction with the larger MU as much as possible, the X-men will probably be marginally involved (as the X-men Illumanati Xavier is currently not quite all there after being shot). You'd think any major psychics would be off-limit, but after all the hype, the Skrulls have probably gotten around that. Though I thought LMDs had fooled psychics in the past too, but of course, these new Skrulls are better at it! Of course, a better question might be what won't be blown up by the end of this issue. We've already had most of the major installations blown up. Has the X-Mansion been blown up yet? Or they haven't bothered rebuilding it yet after the last time? I'm sorry to sound so negative, but I like comics, and like with a train crash, you just can't turn away until its over. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/29 1:26am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	And I'm curious whether Annihilation will be mentioned. I thought the Skrull and Kree Empires took a lot of damage during the Annihilation events, though the Kree got a lot more focus, and you'd think the SuperSkrull would be involved somehow, given that he's one of the more famous Skrull characters. * Super Skrull will feature in the Nova tie-in story, there's also a Guardians tie-in too, which address the cosmic angle of SI. Both are by Abnett & Lanning so will likely be very good. * As to Annihilation, there's a clue in the NA preview on that where a religious order is put down by the Skrull Emperor. As they are taken away, the leader says the world will end and a wave will come. I'd say this figure is the same one that took power when the homeworld was destroyed by Galactus, with the Annihilation Wave further proving her prophecies. The heroes will pull something together, even if they look extremely pathetic right now with the Stupid, er, Secret Avengers and Moronic, er, Mighty Avengers bickering... again... for the upteenth time... in a Bendis written issue. Wonder how much they'll retcon though. * The funny thing is, Stark has already had his position on trusting the people and the system tested and no, he wasn't trusted to do his job as director of SHIELD. Yes, the Mandarin was stopped but only by the breaking of rules and not following them. What I want is recognition by the pro-reg bunch that it matters not what the end was, their methods were out-right wrong and belong in the super-villain handbook. Thor has his own good ongoing series which hopefully will avoid interaction with the larger MU as much as possible, the X-men will probably be marginally involved (as the X-men Illumanati Xavier is currently not quite all there after being shot). You'd think any major psychics would be off-limit, but after all the hype, the Skrulls have probably gotten around that. Though I thought LMDs had fooled psychics in the past too, but of course, these new Skrulls are better at it! * Thor has a seperate SI mini-series but it's by Fraction so it'll be good. Will be an X-Men one too but I don't know the creative team. Of course, a better question might be what won't be blown up by the end of this issue. We've already had most of the major installations blown up. Has the X-Mansion been blown up yet? Or they haven't bothered rebuilding it yet after the last time? * Still a ruin, last I heard. JB -----signature----- Other guy: Could I have your autograph? Darth Vader: No, **** off or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne all'arrabiata or you shall die! And you and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 4/29 5:13am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I don't buy the Iron Man series, but I know how the current arc ended, and its really sad how when things got tough, Tony resorted to a Nick Fury approach. Well, not Stark personally, but Stark's method, of working with the government, failed spectacularly (global genocide is about to start, and the Committee wants to put Stark on trial for war crimes). Although that kind of approach was perfectly justified, given the circumstances, and the government at best was incompetent (as usual) and at worst just seem to always zone in on the wrong people as the problems. What's really sad is that it just goes to show which side was the right side during the Civil War, as Captain America simply didn't trust the government enough to let them control the superheroes. And for being right, he ended up in chains, and ended up assasinated and dead (for the moment). I don't blame Stark for drastic measures like that (especially since its wasn't quite him that did it, but more Dugan and Hill), but still, that's what he gets. I remember reading a bit of the Avengers: Initiative, with how Stark hoped the new/old threat of the Hulk would reunite the superhero community, but of course that was a big bust since most of them were just defeated in seconds, until the Sentry got tired of moping and did something. It would be funny though if a Skrull disguised as Jean Grey (I think a Jean Grey got out of that ship) walked up to the X-mansion ruins, said that Skrull line, then blew herself up and... the wrecked ruins would just be more wrecked. Weren't Dr. Doom and Namor up to something as well? There was that Atlantean sleeper agent plotline in one of those ridiculous Civil War series, and Doom's always up to something (after escaping a hell some time ago). Unless they're just setting up for their next major event. Fury doesn't really seem to be up to much. If he knew about this kind of thing so long ago, then why didn't he warn Bucky earlier? Or do something for that matter. He's shown up in Captain America, unless that's not really him, but that series is still mostly focused on its own plotlines (thankfully). Nice to hear there'll be some galactic tie-ins, especially given the nature of the threat. Wonder how long till the Nova tie-in, since I heard a Galactus arc is next after Conquest. And hopefully they'll deal with the fact that Silver Surfer is now hunting planets for Galactus again. Annihilation Conquest is over with at least, and I just hope they don't bother starting another Annihilation thing for at least another year. I heard the ending for Conquest was ok, even if most of the things in the last issue came from lots of different series and the main series itself didn't really provide much for the conclusion (but I haven't kept up, so not too sure). What's next for the X-men anyway? I know they're having that Divided thing, and the Legacy thing, but it'll probably all lead up to something (not to mention one of the X-series approaching 500, I think). -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 4/29 8:27am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I don't buy the Iron Man series, but I know how the current arc ended, and its really sad how when things got tough, Tony resorted to a Nick Fury approach. * Dugan nails it early in the arc when he says Fury saw the world as it is, Stark for what it can be. Only problem is Stark's idealism blinds him to the reality of his choices and their consequences. Well, not Stark personally, but Stark's method, of working with the government, failed spectacularly (global genocide is about to start, and the Committee wants to put Stark on trial for war crimes). Although that kind of approach was perfectly justified, given the circumstances, and the government at best was incompetent (as usual) and at worst just seem to always zone in on the wrong people as the problems. * The funny thing is, people are like this - it isn't that far removed from reality. What's really sad is that it just goes to show which side was the right side during the Civil War, as Captain America simply didn't trust the government enough to let them control the superheroes. And for being right, he ended up in chains, and ended up assasinated and dead (for the moment). I don't blame Stark for drastic measures like that (especially since its wasn't quite him that did it, but more Dugan and Hill), but still, that's what he gets. * Stark kicked off the entire avalanche and gave it a huge amount of legitmacy that it wouldn't have otherwise possessed. Weren't Dr. Doom and Namor up to something as well? * There was the political alliance of Black Panther, Namor and Doom against the US exporting the idea of superhuman armies, which they saw registration as creating, which it has. Plotline looks to have been dropped or forgotten. There was that Atlantean sleeper agent plotline in one of those ridiculous Civil War series, * Please do not remind of the hell that is Civil War Front Line! and Doom's always up to something (after escaping a hell some time ago). Unless they're just setting up for their next major event. * Well, you never know with Marvel. Fury doesn't really seem to be up to much. If he knew about this kind of thing so long ago, then why didn't he warn Bucky earlier? Or do something for that matter. He's shown up in Captain America, unless that's not really him, but that series is still mostly focused on its own plotlines (thankfully). * And will continue to be so, Marvel know they've a hit so are letting it do its own arc. Nice to hear there'll be some galactic tie-ins, especially given the nature of the threat. Wonder how long till the Nova tie-in, since I heard a Galactus arc is next after Conquest. And hopefully they'll deal with the fact that Silver Surfer is now hunting planets for Galactus again. * Oh definitely, it runs 13-15, the SI tie-in is 16-18. Annihilation Conquest is over with at least, and I just hope they don't bother starting another Annihilation thing for at least another year. * With the Guardians of the Galaxy title started, I don't see it happening. I heard the ending for Conquest was ok, even if most of the things in the last issue came from lots of different series and the main series itself didn't really provide much for the conclusion (but I haven't kept up, so not too sure). * There's a few plot ends to tie up from Conquest but they'll likely be taken care of in both Nova and Guardians, the latter title has Quill setting up a squad to prevent further Annihilation-type events. What's next for the X-men anyway? I know they're having that Divided thing, and the Legacy thing, but it'll probably all lead up to something (not to mention one of the X-series approaching 500, I think). * Not sure, Messiah Complex did a very good job of killing my interest in the line although I couldn't stay away from X-Factor in the end. -----signature----- Other guy: Could I have your autograph? Darth Vader: No, **** off or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne all'arrabiata or you shall die! And you and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!
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DarkMastermind Registered: Dec '06	Date Posted: 4/29 5:52pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Since this is apparently a Luke Skywalker discussion forum, I have a question for you guys. Do you think that it was right for Luke to allow personal attachments within the New Jedi Order? And compared to previous Jedi Masters such as Yoda, Mace Windu and whoever else was on the Jedi Council, where does Luke stand?
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