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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 5/29 9:05pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben : * So does her daughter but eh, what can you expect? They're women. While I agree with you that Jaina gets free passes from the authors you get this face for your generalization : * It's interesting that both are somewhat in danger really. I suggested Luke could have every reason to go nuclear on Jacen, but it wouldn't be right. After all, Jacen killed his wife of 20 years and tortured his son. But my question is: If Luke didn't go completely nuclear on Jacen after actually seeing him torture Ben, why would he go nuclear on Jacen after finding out that he killed Mara? Luke must have had some idea that Jacen might have been involved once he found out that Lumiya wasn't responsible, especially since he knows Jacen has been doing some very darkside things, and since the person who killed Mara would need to be a strong Force user. Plus, he knew that Jacen was in the area when Mara was killed. For Jaina, her brother's pretty much been screwing her over for the best part of a decade by now, more than enough ground for resentment to build. True, plus the fact that Jaina has anger issues. * I am becoming quite disenchanted with the idea that any character that takes decisive action, or kills someone = skirting the edge of the dark side. Every time Luke acts decisively it comes up, often by the same who complain that he isn't doing enough. I agree with you. Luke is blamed no matter what he does. And yes, a person shouldn't be considered to be skirting the edge of the dark side if he/she takes decisive action or kills someone who needs to be stopped. * Yeah, but they were polite about it, Nat isn't. Even so, Cade doesn't seem to make much forward momentum. He takes one step forward and two steps backward. He certainly should have been over those drugs by now. Cade is VERY weak. but in doing so he's partly responsible for unleashing a crazed Krayt on the galaxy and knows it. So is he going to care enough to do something about it? * Jerk? Yeah. Total? No. Cade intends to go after Krayt, At least you answered my question above. He feels Stasi is too ruthless, Fel is similar; doesn't mean the Sith shouldn't be taken out, but Cade's aware their removal won't automatically equal peace and freedom for the galaxy or himself. So he's not going to allign himself with anyone? How can he take out Krayt and the entire Sith Order by himself????
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 5/30 7:36am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ok I lied, this will be my last post from the apartment. this is directed mostly at Child and Ben, but also to anyone reading Knights of the Old Republic, what do u guys find appealing in the series ? do you enjoy it ? is it a must read ? does it helped that I have some knowledge of the era from the 2 games ? and Ben how did you get Child hooked on it ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 5/30 4:49pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds: That bad, huh??? I didn't have high expectations for it, and it sounds like it's a good thing I didn't. I have started to read it and I'm already annoyed. Better than me. I'll never read it and i'm already annoyed. Of course the high and mighty Saba has already declared Luke "tainted" because of killing Lumiya. Yes, because no Jedi should ever kill, no matter what... So what does this mean exactly??? Luke will never be able to do his duty and face another dark sider because he might go dark??? Isn't it possible that ANY Jedi "might" go dark??? And Luke should have more tools to fight against the darkside than most. If there's one Jedi who should be able to take out Dark Siders without going Dark, it's Luke. And WHY did the "creative team" think it would be a good idea to do this?? I'm still waiting for an answer. Maybe someday... Denning is still a good author, Denning may be a good author, but Denning does NOT write Luke well. Bites tongue I've... never liked any of Denning's SW fare. Not any of them. Oh, the problem is with Cade? No spoilers, though. Cade has MANY problems. Yeah... I kinda figured that at 'Broken'. I think the heart is right. They seem to have taken the heart right out of SW along with the fun and sense of adventure. And that's'.i] why I got into SW. For the fun, the adventure. Without that... well, you see what's become of [i]my fandom. Jedi_Ben * I am becoming quite disenchanted with the idea that any character that takes decisive action, or kills someone = skirting the edge of the dark side. Every time Luke acts decisively it comes up, often by the same who complain that he isn't doing enough. Where did that... come from, precisely? It makes no sense. Like an old favorite country song of mine went, "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything!" Oh, Ben. I finished 'Dawn of the Eagles'. Have you? MasterSkywalker86: darn....I just had this post set up earlier and my web browser just had a problem transmitting the data. That's happened to me before, dude. Sorry. anyway this will probably be the last time I'll post from my apartment, the closing for my new house finalizes tomorrow and I can't wait any longer. In fact I been waiting for 4 months for this moment to arrive, heck I'm even getting a new job as well.( Good to hear and good luck with the move! May nothing get broken. I saw Indy IV, it was good. felt the alien thing didn't fit well in Indy's universe but seeing Marion and Indy back together was great. Shia wasn't half bad in his role either. I'll be able to post my own review Sunday night, after seeing it with my RK friends. they should give the reader a break with the series and do either singles or duology. It's very reduntant, and boring. And if you don't like the beginning... you're pretty much screwed. the Marvel issues have him dating(reluctantly) a Zeltron named Dani, also when she's gone he misses her deeply. there is another time when a horde of zeltron girls see Luke and try to catch him, even for Zeltrons they were immensely attracted to Luke. I was surprise at the dialog too, the Zeltrons were very forward if you know what I mean even for a comic That';s right! Heck, DarthIshtar and I wrote a collaboration with Dani in it. It was a beauty pageant taking place at Hoth Base, a morale-booster and fund raiser. Leia took part in it, Dani, and even Mara-she was undercover. haven't heard from them for a while, perhaps they are busy with the last days of high school. I would like to know where's Joser, JK88, Leia Skywalker(at least I think that's her name), and Sith Pirate too. It'd be nice for them to come back. Sigh same here in fact I prefer some Canadian humor from Kids in the Hall to the Monty Python. Kids in the Hall? I haven't seen that in years either! Man, a good show... right, and they had ORIGINAL and DIFFERENT plot ideas. ok sure some of them didn't work as well as others but some of them really stand out. TTT, JAT, COPL, TaB, SoTE, and the Hand of Thrawn Duology were exceptional. And even bad books had some redeeming value. Crystal Star introed Lusa, and the BFC had the kick-butt Fifth Fleet. yup her name was Dani, and just as hyper as a friend of mine who goes by the same name. Yeah, thanks. LOL, I even wrote a fic with her in it. [link=]http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/22897851/p1]Miss OCngeniality[/link] Although DarthIshtar's stuff is better than mine. Blue is fiercely loyal to Cade, which Cade should display back. I hope the relationship progresses in the future issues. I might start actually caring about Cade.....hmmmm me concern over a Skywalker who would have thought. For a Zeltron, that's big. Come on, Cade! You've got your best shot right there! until they marry their future spouse right ? or they made the clan bigger with future spouses ? The family definitely stuck together, at least. Not sure how it was 100%. did you forget that the theme was that of forgiving and redemption ? plus Harry in the comics did died after saving Peter's life. Ah, I see. But they could've focused on forgiveness/redemption and still dropped either Sandman or Harry. Venom was vaporized or it could be he's in shell shock and recovering from the explosion. My guess is this fused Eddie and Venom permanently and he's trying to recuperate, while Eddie's human body is completely destroyed and is only living on by the Symbiote. might take a few more sequels to bring him fully back. but he could pull strings around and be the central baddie in the next trilogy. Hmm, I suppose. Although the Spidey movies so far are good about not bringing the villians back to life, weird Norman hallucinations notwithstanding. not only were they fun but they serve as a tactic to keep the enemy angry from thinking. look at any fight between Rhino and Spider-man and you'll see what I mean. Exactly. His quips keep his enemies offbalance and tick them off, forcing them to make mistakes. yet that was not a full battle, that was a minor incident that i thought was pretty cool in DS. I thought it was a great rematch to see Luke fight the wampa he originally injured and finally ending it's life. one complaint in SW is I don't get to see that many Wampas anymore. Well, unless you're going to Hoth... see above Bantam books I posted and enjoyed. LOL, those are the same ones I enjoy. Add in Kevin James Anderson and Rebecca Moesta and it'd be perfect. Moesta did she do YJK ? She and Kevin James Anderson. Little bit of a rant... I was going into work the other day, stopped by the toy section as I am wont to do. Stopped at the SW section and counted about 4-5 Vader/Anakin Skywalker variants. WHo wants/needs that many? Where are the EU action figures, barring the new comic two-packs? I'd pay for a Tenel Ka, a Kyp, a Lusa, a Winter... Vader? Except for my Unleashed version, I don't/want/need him at all. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 5/30 5:58pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	MS86, well Murderer would have better if it was a simple one story arc or was completed in two trades. why you felt it too predictable ? * Found it to be a bloated crossover really. the thing with this story arc it seems too focused on Stane's boy, which is much too early to say he how he is as a villain. * Says the man who hasn't read Order Vol 2! Also Iron Man is everywhere now a days since Civil War, chances are if you buy Marvel Tony is going to be somewhere in the story, Ultimates 3, Ultimate Iron Man minis, Invincible IM, New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, Director of SHIELD, Captain America, and the Jon Faveru mini. I would like to see the relevance of this new comic series compared to the others. that's quite a lot for a character who was considered B-List, honestly I always thought he was an A-List character since he has been around for quite some time. * For me the combination of Fraction-Larroca is enough to sell it. The character in the Ultimate line is quite different to his Marvel counterpart, equally there's a gap between Millar's take and others. In Avengers he generally tends to be portrayed as Iron Arse too. If you want a good portrayal of Stark you're left with Brubaker's Cap and the Knauf's work. hey for Cap who do you think will continue on from issue 51 ? * Remember that Brubaker has said the story has grown quite a bit, so I don't see him leaving the title for a long time. such as ? * You really need to read it. I hear the kid's father is the villain, is the relationship between the father and son similar to Ultimate Spidey and GG. * That particular spoiler may well ruin it for you as it is a big twist. Oh and as for Nextwave, just read it - you'll love it. It's only 2 TPBs - it's cheap and brilliant. ok I lied, this will be my last post from the apartment. this is directed mostly at Child and Ben, but also to anyone reading Knights of the Old Republic, what do u guys find appealing in the series ? do you enjoy it ? is it a must read ? does it helped that I have some knowledge of the era from the 2 games ? * No knowledge of the games do you need! As to how we converted COW, it went something like this, we said KOTOR has: Likeable characters A sense of adventure Comedy * COW was quite sceptical but found our pitch to be entirely true and quickly worked out why so many people have been loving KOTOR, for it has the same feel and style as the OT. And talking of whom.... COW, While I agree with you that Jaina gets free passes from the authors you get this face for your generalization : * Heheheh, it was a joke of dubious taste but also one with a serious edge: Namely that that is the impression I do get from the handling of women characters in EU, that there's this sense: Well, they just can't help it but the blokes should know better. Arguably there's a reflection of social attitudes at work but I'd be loathe to say it's the result of any intent or design, instead I'd place it as accidental or subconscious. Even so, Cade doesn't seem to make much forward momentum. He takes one step forward and two steps backward. He certainly should have been over those drugs by now. Cade is VERY weak. * In certain respects, yes. So he's not going to allign himself with anyone? How can he take out Krayt and the entire Sith Order by himself???? * Nat tells him there is a hidden temple of Jedi, that's where Cade is now headed. RK, Haven't yet been able to secure a copy but would be interested in any non-spoiler comments you have, JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/3 3:54pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 6/3 3:55pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Marvel is a strange beast now, truly because you cannot get consistent quality from them any more. It's actually worse than if they were just straight up BAD because then you could at least not buy anything. Instead, Marvel routinely has an awesome issue then a cruddy issue then an awesome issue. For example, Secret Invasion is a really mixed bag. I'm old enough to remember Infinity War, which was an attempt to cash in on Infinity Gauntlet's success. The whole Post-Civil War huge crossover thing is hardly anything new in the comics industry, it just went into a brief lull for a time. Well, in Infinity Wars, you had the Magnus sending a bunch of EVIL replicas after our heroes who then proceeded to replace them. Thus, entire issues were devoted to fights against these one off monsters. The Skrull plotline has pretty much this as a basis. However, mixed within this Cold War Paranoia is some genuinely good bits like Captain Britain and MI 13 where you have John Lennon (not just a Skrull impersonating John Lennon. John Lennon and in fact the entire Beattles band were ALWAYS Skrulls) team up with Captain Britain to attack Skrulls against the Siege Perilous. Likewise, it's been nearly forever since Mockingbird died. Clint Barton's scene with Bobbi in Secret Wars 2# was awesome though and helps me genuinely like Hawkeye again. That and it's nice to see a genuine lothario hero. Clint has slept with at least three superheroines since coming back from the dead. I confess, its difficult to ask whether I want him back with his wife so soon. Unfortunately, bits like this are mixed up with the whole genuine morosse of bad titles being put out by Marvel right now. I truly was enjoying the New Avengers pre-Civil War and then Post-Civil War we get a Mighty Avengers and a New Avengers series that somehow manages to suck the fun out of both. Mighty Avengers showed promise but it seemed like they were unable to deliver more than a single good Ultron story from it. Also, Ultimates 3# is frustrating because Ultimates 2# was one of the best series ever put out by Marvel (along with Ultimates 1) but somehow has literally managed to become the worst title in Marvel's history overnight. The Robert Lielfield art, killing the Scarlet Witch, Wolverine having sex with Magneto's wife, Tony's Alcoholism, and freaking VALKYRIE. It's like watching a train wreck. Plus, unfortunately, we've got no consistent Young Avengers title. Revising my Skrullapalooza predictions. * Scarlet Witch in Transia is a Skrull. Prison Ship Scarlet Witch is the real one. * Bobbi/Mockingbird is real. * Spiderman is real. * Iron Man is real. * Phoenix is real. * Emma Frost is real (thus invalidating TEN YEARS of Emma Frost as a good guy) * Captain America reborn is a Skrull (obviously) * Jewel is real, disturbingly invalidating Alias. * Luke Cage's baby is a Skrull and he'll lose his family to become a lothario again. * Nick Fury will be Director of Shield after this again. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/4 8:58am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	MasterSkywalker86 : I been waiting for 4 months for this moment to arrive, heck I'm even getting a new job as well. Congratulations on the new house and the new job, MS! Good luck! I can easily appreciate Zahn's work better now due to lackluster books we been getting, I certainly understand that! the quibbles with Mara lecturing Luke, could be the Force in an indirect way saying not everything is solved with the use of the Force, or using it as a crutch. I agree that one shouldn't use the Force as a crutch or unnecessarily. The problem with the lecture was the Luke WASN'T overusing or abusing the Force. I often felt that he wasn't using it ENOUGH! so far I finish the part where Luke with the help of Mara escapes the pirates' asteroid base. I loved that part when Luke got out of the Jedi Trap using some ingenuity. my question though is why at the start of the book, at least the impression is BOTH Luke and Mara are avoiding each other ? I didn't quite understand that though, but it seemed as though the two of them were confused about their feelings for one another. You know Farmboy, he's a bit on the shy side. Mara, meanwhile was one who wasn't very trusting, so I think she was nervous about making a commitment. After Palpatine, it was difficult for her to trust again, yet, I think, she was definitely falling for Luke whether she was willing to admit it or not. I'm kinda curious at how Denning handles Luke in Invincible but a little dismayed at the spoilers I been reading. I mean does he come off with that stupid TG allusion in the book ? I've only read half the book, so I'm probably not the best one to answer your question. So far, however, I didn't think Luke was being dark at all. Part of the problem is that we're seeing everything from the POV of other characters. We're never "inside his head" and privy to his thoughts. I can see where the amazing things that Luke does in Invincible might make others look upon him with awe, and even a bit of nervousness because he's so powerful. But, so far, at least, I haven't seen Luke as dark. I think people can read things they want to see into almost anything. Probably the TG reference was the one piece of evidence that they might have. Frankly though, I didn't understand what the author meant by it. It just seemed that Luke was telling Jaina that it was HIS responsibility to make the hard decisions and hers to get ready for the fight she would be involved in. And perhaps, since Leia was there, it was even in there to show Leia that she had been wrong about the vision in TG: Luke hadn't gone dark, though he had become powerful. they should give the reader a break with the series and do either singles or duology. most of Lit bookwise I been focused on is the single story, they can later do trilogies when there is an actual point or SIGNIFICANT EVENT THAT HAD SOME QUALITY OF INSIGHT FOR A PLOT. YEs, that's what I'd like to see, and no contrived plots either. it's dark time, but it doesn't come off dark and depressing like Vong or vicious like LOTF, I agree that the ERA gives the readers reason to hope. HOWEVER, what I'm saying is that the very existence of Legacy with the galaxy in this terrible condition means that no matter what Luke, Leia, and Han do from now on, we know they will be unsuccessful, that they will fail. And that's a very dark, depressing thought for me. THEY will never have a "happily ever after". That's now guaranteed because of Legacy. but you have to admit that Luke is at his best in Legacy compared to what the current depictions I have seen. Unfortunately, Luke is barely there. I thought that was a vision of Luke in DE, with Palpatine being the figure who says mine. It might be just be a nod to TG in Invincible. also the one of Jacen seeing white eyes might also be a prelude to Krayt's Sith Order. Possibly. But don't forget that Luke wasn't really dark in DE. More another time. Don't forget about SOS LIT!
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/4 12:02pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	With all due respect, Windy... This is the REAL SOS. ;-) -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Master_Keralys Title: Lit Mod of Being Away Because He's Sick Right Now Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 6/4 12:45pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charles, to that I have only this to say: I comment the following on this thread: despite disagreeing with almost every single thing written in it, it's a good discussion. - Keralys -----signature----- God made man. Man rejected God. God became the man Jesus Christ, died and rose again to life, saving man from himself. The craziest story ever told. The truest.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/4 2:45pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 6/4 2:56pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi Ben
	* Even the comic sections, Keralys? * Now onto Charles' post: Marvel is a strange beast now, truly because you cannot get consistent quality from them any more. It's actually worse than if they were just straight up BAD because then you could at least not buy anything. Instead, Marvel routinely has an awesome issue then a cruddy issue then an awesome issue. * Marvel and DC seem to be in a transition of swapping around for me. For example, Secret Invasion is a really mixed bag. I'm old enough to remember Infinity War, which was an attempt to cash in on Infinity Gauntlet's success. The whole Post-Civil War huge crossover thing is hardly anything new in the comics industry, it just went into a brief lull for a time. * I'd disagree it was restricted to Civil War, Marvel used House of M to launch titles as well, fortunately one of them was X-Factor. Well, in Infinity Wars, you had the Magnus sending a bunch of EVIL replicas after our heroes who then proceeded to replace them. Thus, entire issues were devoted to fights against these one off monsters. The Skrull plotline has pretty much this as a basis. * I hope not, I can see Bendis playing with the idea but only for an issue or two but the next part is due this week so we'll see. However, mixed within this Cold War Paranoia is some genuinely good bits like Captain Britain and MI 13 where you have John Lennon (not just a Skrull impersonating John Lennon. John Lennon and in fact the entire Beattles band were ALWAYS Skrulls) team up with Captain Britain to attack Skrulls against the Siege Perilous. * With luck, Captain Midlands will also join the fight! But yeah, sometimes in these types of crossover events the best stories are to be found outside it and Captain Britain & MI-13 is the best example so far. Incredible Herc is also a good example with future tie-ins that look promising being X-Factor, Nova / Guardians Of The Galaxy. Unfortunately, bits like this are mixed up with the whole genuine morosse of bad titles being put out by Marvel right now. I truly was enjoying the New Avengers pre-Civil War and then Post-Civil War we get a Mighty Avengers and a New Avengers series that somehow manages to suck the fun out of both. Mighty Avengers showed promise but it seemed like they were unable to deliver more than a single good Ultron story from it. * The Hood was a wasted opportunity but the real crippling element was that the registration card was played out, were the NA bunch really the no . 1 criminal priority? Doubtful. At the same time it was a case of Marvel barrelling onto the next event without really exploring the consequences of the last one. Shaking up the status quo means little if you keep shaking it up and never really look at it. Also, Ultimates 3# is frustrating because Ultimates 2# was one of the best series ever put out by Marvel (along with Ultimates 1) but somehow has literally managed to become the worst title in Marvel's history overnight. The Robert Lielfield art, killing the Scarlet Witch, Wolverine having sex with Magneto's wife, Tony's Alcoholism, and freaking VALKYRIE. It's like watching a train wreck. * That's because it is! Plus, unfortunately, we've got no consistent Young Avengers title. * I agree this is a shame as the Heinberg-Chung 13 issues were excellent. * Marvel aren't helping themselves with some of their creative decisions either: For example, I don't see Immortal Iron Fist lasting long after the Brubaker/Fraction team depart, nor do I think Iron Man: Director of SHIELD will last given the Knaufs are now off the title. (Yes, very recent news, I'll be reading their eternals with interest.) At the same time the X-Titles are exhibiting the signs of being editorially driven, in the same way that crippled a good part of DC's stories. * Nor are you assured quality from a creator: Brubaker's Cap is consistently excellent, his Daredevil is less so. * Marvel also seem inclined to alter things: Like making a 12-issue series an ongoing, crossing over Book A with Book B. Obviously the aim is to flog more books, but Marvel's becoming somewhat increasingly transparent in their mercenary marketing. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/4 6:45pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK_Striker_JK_5 Of course the high and mighty Saba has already declared Luke "tainted" because of killing Lumiya. Yes, because no Jedi should ever kill, no matter what... LOL! Lately, that's what fans seem to be saying! And I agree with you: If there's ONE Jedi who should be able to take out Dark Siders without going Dark, it's Luke! Jedi Ben : * COW was quite sceptical but found our pitch to be entirely true and quickly worked out why so many people have been loving KOTOR, for it has the same feel and style as the OT. Yes, I really DO like KotoR ! And I'm hoping that eventually we'll find out that Zayne is Luke's ancestor. Zayne reminds me of Luke a lot. Unfotunately, I'm about 5 issues behind right now. With my mother's accident, I've gotten behind in my reading. I'm still not done with Invincible, and I never even started to reread Before the Storm. I wanted to be part of that conversation, but I only have vague recollections of that series, mostly involving that nasty Akanah, and Lando. * Heheheh, it was a joke of dubious taste but also one with a serious edge: Namely that that is the impression I do get from the handling of women characters in EU,I'd be loathe to say it's the result of any intent or design, instead I'd place it as accidental or subconscious. Yes, I agree. Women do seem to be handled differently, though it probably isn't a conscious decision to do so. * Nat tells him there is a hidden temple of Jedi, that's where Cade is now headed. Wow! A hidden Temple??!!!! Any chance Ben could be holed up there yet?
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/7 9:23pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	For those of you who wonder where I've been, I've been working on editing my manusrcipt Halt Evil Doer! for the Role-playing Game Company Arbor Productions. It's going to be for Green Ronin's Mutants and Masterminds game. It'll be in PDF format (Color Art) then paperback (B&W art). I hope some of you will pick it up. Master Keralys posted: I comment the following on this thread: despite disagreeing with almost every single thing written in it, it's a good discussion. happy What do you disagree with, may I ask? Jedi Ben posted: * Marvel and DC seem to be in a transition of swapping around for me. I can't honestly say there's any DC title that interests me right now. Maybe the New Titans miniseries. Jedi Ben posted: * I hope not, I can see Bendis playing with the idea but only for an issue or two but the next part is due this week so we'll see. It's odd how characters that no one cares about are the ones that interest me. Next week's WHO DO YOU TRUST will contain the final fate of Gala Brand! Jedi Ben posted: * With luck, Captain Midlands will also join the fight! But yeah, sometimes in these types of crossover events the best stories are to be found outside it and Captain Britain & MI-13 is the best example so far. Incredible Herc is also a good example with future tie-ins that look promising being X-Factor, Nova / Guardians Of The Galaxy. It's bizarre but I think Marvel's Civil War and World War Hulk proved that side kicks are an important part of Super heroes and we need more of them. Miss Marvel was briefly improved tremendously by having Arana as her sidekick (sadly dropped). Likewise, I feel the same way for Hercules and Amadeus Cho. Jedi Ben posted: * The Hood was a wasted opportunity but the real crippling element was that the registration card was played out, were the NA bunch really the no . 1 criminal priority? Doubtful. At the same time it was a case of Marvel barrelling onto the next event without really exploring the consequences of the last one. Shaking up the status quo means little if you keep shaking it up and never really look at it. I disagree, I think they could have got a lot more mileage out of it. However, they've had Doctor Strange quit the team and they could have been doing some great stories with them versus supernatural threats. Jedi Ben posted: * Marvel aren't helping themselves with some of their creative decisions either: For example, I don't see Immortal Iron Fist lasting long after the Brubaker/Fraction team depart, nor do I think Iron Man: Director of SHIELD will last given the Knaufs are now off the title. (Yes, very recent news, I'll be reading their eternals with interest.) At the same time the X-Titles are exhibiting the signs of being editorially driven, in the same way that crippled a good part of DC's stories. Iron Fist seems to have some definite legs on it now. While Brubaker's loss will seriously hurt it, they've shown the character can be interesting I think. He doesn't have much of a Rogue's gallery but at least he can fight Hydra. Iron Man: Director of SHIELD is already "stick a fork in it" now since they've just re-launched "Invincible Iron Man" which is obviously a seague back into Corporate Tony. You can pretty much foresee Nick getting his old job back, which actually kinda bugs me because I think Tony was doing a better job. Jedi Ben posted: * Nor are you assured quality from a creator: Brubaker's Cap is consistently excellent, his Daredevil is less so. I think every Creator has natural preferences that show in their work. Gail Simone was utterly clueless what to do with the Legion of Superheroes, yet was awesome on the Birds of Prey series. She's so so on Wonder Woman. I'm kinda divided on Brubaker's Cap though. Oh, it's awesomely written but I really was hoping to see more adventures about Captain America as opposed to essentially Bucky. I enjoy the Winter Soldier arc but I miss Steve despite his looming presence over the book. One series I'm very surprised at is the first two issues of Avengers/Invaders. The art by Alex Ross is, of course, purely awesome but the writing on the first two issues was wonderful too. The Thunderbolts, of course, get their butts handed to them by the WW2 heroes but the second fight with the Mighty Avengers was equally gorgeous. So, Bravo. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/8 3:24am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charles, It's odd how characters that no one cares about are the ones that interest me. Next week's WHO DO YOU TRUST will contain the final fate of Gala Brand! * Gala Brand? I must have missed Brand's first name, then again that's no surprise given the stinker that was Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men. It's bizarre but I think Marvel's Civil War and World War Hulk proved that side kicks are an important part of Super heroes and we need more of them. Miss Marvel was briefly improved tremendously by having Arana as her sidekick (sadly dropped). Likewise, I feel the same way for Hercules and Amadeus Cho. * I was won over to the latter title when the intro page is a map of key events littered with numerous beer stops! Had to give it a try, even though I'd be quite cynical about the change. I disagree, I think they could have got a lot more mileage out of it. * The registration angle you mean? However, they've had Doctor Strange quit the team and they could have been doing some great stories with them versus supernatural threats. * Were it not for the event planning, possibly. Iron Fist seems to have some definite legs on it now. While Brubaker's loss will seriously hurt it, they've shown the character can be interesting I think. He doesn't have much of a Rogue's gallery but at least he can fight Hydra. * The real problem is ever pressed comic budgets for smaller titles, it's all very well advocating the new team be given a chance but for many the money doesn't stretch that far in the face of the other titles available. Iron Man: Director of SHIELD is already "stick a fork in it" now since they've just re-launched "Invincible Iron Man" which is obviously a seague back into Corporate Tony. You can pretty much foresee Nick getting his old job back, which actually kinda bugs me because I think Tony was doing a better job. * I was surprised by how good the Knaufs' Mandarin arc was, granted I'd heard a lot of good comment but it still impressed. It also demonstrated to Tony just how mistaken his idealism was as the politicians did not trust him to do his job. I think every Creator has natural preferences that show in their work. Gail Simone was utterly clueless what to do with the Legion of Superheroes, yet was awesome on the Birds of Prey series. She's so so on Wonder Woman. * True, although I'm inclined to see Simone's Wonder Woman as a gradual climber given the crap she had to work with, I think it'll get very good as Simone is similar to Johns, they both excel at building for a long arc. I'm kinda divided on Brubaker's Cap though. Oh, it's awesomely written but I really was hoping to see more adventures about Captain America as opposed to essentially Bucky. I enjoy the Winter Soldier arc but I miss Steve despite his looming presence over the book. * Well we know Steve will be back in one way or another and it isn't as if Brubaker only has this arc, I suspect he has others to tell as well. * On to the new stuff: Invincible Iron Man was a very strong continuation of the arc while Secret invasion moved things forward in a surprisingly swift manner, Fury's return being a great finish - how big was that cannon again? Hmm, hope that doesn't herald a return to the 90s. One other title of note is Nova, which manages to make Galactus utterly terrifying. If you haven't looked at this arc, consider giving it a try. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 6/8 6:09am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds posted: * Nat tells him there is a hidden temple of Jedi, that's where Cade is now headed. Wow! A hidden Temple??!!!! Any chance Ben could be holed up there yet? Not likely, because the preview is already up. They have a Jedi Council shown, and Master Traa-something, the tree Jedi from the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics, seems to be the presiding and eldest Jedi there. Anyway, Ben's still primarily a Del Rey character (unfortunately), so DH can't really use or touch him too much. For all we know, Del Rey will kill off Ben before he has any kids, just like Anakin Solo, and then Callista will show back up, marry Luke and Cade will be descended from that couple instead. It sounds ridiculous, but if I had heard about Invincible's ending before I read it (and nearly threw up), I would've thought it was a bad joke too. It basically just comes down to the OT characters mainly being off-limits, which is why DH is using their own Clone Wars characters. waits for the complaints to begin Although maybe I'm being too cynical and the Legacy writers might surprise us, they already surprised us with the nat Skywalker revelation. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 6/9 12:43am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 6/9 12:46am (1 edits total) Edited By: Charlemagne19
	Jedi Ben posted: * Gala Brand? I must have missed Brand's first name, then again that's no surprise given the stinker that was Giant-Size Astonishing X-Men. I think it's Abigail actually. Gala was just a nickname. Fun filled fact, S.W.O.R.D. was actually introduced in the X-men novels. I still need to go purchase the ones with the Cosmic Cube even if they are stinkers. I buy anything with the Red Skull in them. There's something to be said about villains who are just pure evil. Jedi Ben posted: * I was won over to the latter title when the intro page is a map of key events littered with numerous beer stops! Had to give it a try, even though I'd be quite cynical about the change. Hercules is a great comic relief character but unless he has someone to ground him, he's got no depth (actually that's the point of Hercules) Jedi Ben posted: * The registration angle you mean? If they had the Avengers freeing captured Super Heroes, blowing up Sentinels, and so on then it could have been quite good. Jedi Ben posted: * The real problem is ever pressed comic budgets for smaller titles, it's all very well advocating the new team be given a chance but for many the money doesn't stretch that far in the face of the other titles available. Very true. Jedi Ben posted: * I was surprised by how good the Knaufs' Mandarin arc was, granted I'd heard a lot of good comment but it still impressed. It also demonstrated to Tony just how mistaken his idealism was as the politicians did not trust him to do his job. The Mandarian arc was classic. It had its down side (The Mandarin was always supposed to be about Tony's age, not in his late sixties/early seventies and for the life of me, I don't know why the Mandarin wanted to wipe out 90% of the Earth's populous) but it was brilliant watching how he operated. Plus, you've got to admire the Mandarin taking Tony Stark in on a fist fight. I'll be ticked off if we don't see Maya Hassen anymore but I don't think we will since she's a Knauffs character and they're clearly replacing Tony's romantic lead with Pepper Potts again. I don't mind that, though I don't like Modern Pepper being essentially Oracle (thanks to the Order comic series). I was always a fan of Pepper Potts and felt she should be Tony Stark's Lois Lane. Unfortunately, I've been a fan of Tony since the previous 2 Volumes and have watched them kill a lot of his girlfriends off. The Invincible Iron Man is basically just Iron Man: Director of SHIELD lite with Obadiah Stane's son being essentially a not-nosed psychopath foil for Tony Stark. Iron Man is one of the most adult comics out right now without going into MAX territory. Jedi Ben posted: * Well we know Steve will be back in one way or another and it isn't as if Brubaker only has this arc, I suspect he has others to tell as well. Oh, obviously, he'll be back. That's why they buried him in the Ice, so that his body won't decompose. Presumably, it's just taking a very long time for the super soldier serum to repair his body and he's in a Superman like Coma. Interestingly, I had a fun conversation with my friend Jon lately and it was about the divide amongst Marvel fans. According to him, because I don't read the X-men, I don't know anything about the comics he reads. Likewise, he doesn't read any of the Avengers titles and thus the two of us might as well be different comic company fans. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/9 11:01am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Charles, Fun filled fact, S.W.O.R.D. was actually introduced in the X-men novels. I still need to go purchase the ones with the Cosmic Cube even if they are stinkers. I buy anything with the Red Skull in them. There's something to be said about villains who are just pure evil. * In that case, are you reading Marvel 1985? If not, go grab the first issue I think you may like where it's going. Hercules is a great comic relief character but unless he has someone to ground him, he's got no depth (actually that's the point of Hercules) * Actually, they're doing a decent job of developing Herc by use of the classical mythology attached to him, without losing that comic relief element. If they had the Avengers freeing captured Super Heroes, blowing up Sentinels, and so on then it could have been quite good. * That would have made the whole Public Enemy no. 1 element work; as it is, I just found it hard to buy into: There's robberies and murders going on, but top of the crap list is Luke Cage? It made little sense. The Mandarian arc was classic. It had its down side (The Mandarin was always supposed to be about Tony's age, not in his late sixties/early seventies and for the life of me, * In some ways then we could consider Ezekiel Stane to be the heir to the Mandarin then. I don't know why the Mandarin wanted to wipe out 90% of the Earth's populous) but it was brilliant watching how he operated. Plus, you've got to admire the Mandarin taking Tony Stark in on a fist fight. * It was an excellently rendered and brutal fight. I'll be ticked off if we don't see Maya Hassen anymore but I don't think we will since she's a Knauffs character * I'm fairly certain Warren Ellis created Hansen. She could pop up again but her arc is pretty much played out at this point. I do wonder if we'll ever see the Knaufs' Damascus arc, for the title alone made it intriguing. and they're clearly replacing Tony's romantic lead with Pepper Potts again. I don't mind that, though I don't like Modern Pepper being essentially Oracle (thanks to the Order comic series). I was always a fan of Pepper Potts and felt she should be Tony Stark's Lois Lane. Unfortunately, I've been a fan of Tony since the previous 2 Volumes and have watched them kill a lot of his girlfriends off. * This is the point where you hope Marvel has learnt from the furore over Tigra and the Hood. The Invincible Iron Man is basically just Iron Man: Director of SHIELD lite with Obadiah Stane's son being essentially a not-nosed psychopath foil for Tony Stark. * I still like Fraction's sense of style though. Iron Man is one of the most adult comics out right now without going into MAX territory. * Well, it was but I'm uncertain of its future now - no regular writer and Secret Invasion does not bode well for it. JB Jedi Ben posted: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Well we know Steve will be back in one way or another and it isn't as if Brubaker only has this arc, I suspect he has others to tell as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, obviously, he'll be back. That's why they buried him in the Ice, so that his body won't decompose. Presumably, it's just taking a very long time for the super soldier serum to repair his body and he's in a Superman like Coma. Interestingly, I had a fun conversation with my friend Jon lately and it was about the divide amongst Marvel fans. According to him, because I don't read the X-men, I don't know anything about the comics he reads. Likewise, he doesn't read any of the Avengers titles and thus the two of us might as well be different comic company fans. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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