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RK_Striker_JK_5
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Jedi Ben:
Haven't yet been able to secure a copy but would be interested in any non-spoiler comments you have,
*Leans in and whispers* The Bajorans win. 
Okay, I liked it. Interesting paths for some of the characters, there.
Charlemagne19:
With all due respect, Windy...
This is the REAL SOS.
Yeah, that's true. This. Is. SOS!!!
For those of you who wonder where I've been, I've been working on editing my manusrcipt Halt Evil Doer! for the Role-playing Game Company Arbor Productions. It's going to be for Green Ronin's Mutants and Masterminds game.
Can I mail you a check for it?
Master_Keralys:
Charles, to that I have only this to say: beatup tongue
I comment the following on this thread: despite disagreeing with almost every single thing written in it, it's a good discussion
And? Details, man. Details!
ChildOfWinds:
LOL! Lately, that's what fans seem to be saying! And I agree with you: If there's ONE Jedi who should be able to take out Dark Siders without going Dark, it's Luke!
Yeah. He should know, after Vader, after Palps and Brakiss and Kueller, how to do it.
Wow! A hidden Temple??!!!! Any chance Ben could be holed up there yet?
I'm hoping for Lowie or Lusa, myself.
Nobody145:
They have a Jedi Council shown, and Master Traa-something, the tree Jedi from the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics, seems to be the presiding and eldest Jedi there.
*Walks up with weedkiller*
Gimme a break! Another freakin' prequel Jedi?
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Master_Keralys
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Ben - no, not the comic stuff. Some of you like Legacy.  
Charles - it's more that you're all on such a completely different vector than I am in terms of how you look at Star Wars. Not necessarily bad (or good), just different. To be honest, I think you all take it a lot more seriously than I do, and that makes for far more polarized opinions. And the views in here have some variation, to be certain, but by and large fit into a rough direction that's rather different from mine. 
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Charlemagne19
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Master_Keralys posted:
Ben - no, not the comic stuff. Some of you like Legacy.
Charles - it's more that you're all on such a completely different vector than I am in terms of how you look at Star Wars. Not necessarily bad (or good), just different. To be honest, I think you all take it a lot more seriously than I do, and that makes for far more polarized opinions. And the views in here have some variation, to be certain, but by and large fit into a rough direction that's rather different from mine.
- Keralys
Do share, I love hearing alternate opinions.
Ironically, Legacy of the Force actually made me stop taking Star Wars so seriously. Ditto NJO.
It wasn't THAT important anymore.
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hey guys,i'm just getting settled now, I tell you this is probably the final move for my family but I still have the move in my mind, hopefully 3rd one is the charm. Anyway I'm greatful for the place and happy to have peace and quiet.
New Avengers Review
Ben I know u were waiting for my take on The Trust. I just picked it up and I will somehow later get Death of Captain America part 1 sometime this month.
The Trust is a bit of a mixed bag, I only gave it one reading so far, it seem like a decent followup to Revolution but gets kinda screwy and mundane with dialouge. After the events of Revolution the Avengers don't trust each other and bad becomes to worse when their plane crashes and Spiderwoman decides to take the skrully corpse to Tony. Also a new villain(at least to me) comes to the picture with big ambitions and a dark secret, plus domestic arguments between Luke and Jones.
Let's start with the good, Bendis keeps the characters second guessing with who's who, and the distrust frankly has our friends at their worst, yet once they're fed and given a moment to reflect they meet back. and the good doctor safely assures all who r there, that they're themselves(yet spider-woman wasn't there). Bendis brings some much despertly villain activity, apparently when Civil War happen all the villains went into hiding. plus we get our heroes some villains to smack around to deal with the stress and we witness a pretty cool standoff between Hood co. and the New Avengers.
some notable moments were Hawkeye, Spider-man, Logan, and Strange, and the big conrfrontation. yet I feel we're missing sum serious leadership at this moment, while I don't mind Cage at the lead, I due mind that it feels he doesn't have direction or the authority. it's like he's wading at the moment or just standing in for Steve. I wish Iron Man or/and Bucky join up soon, hopefully like the sweet Secret Invasion poster showed we will get to see some classic Big 3 action.
now to the Bad, okay what's the deal with the dialouge it's almost a departure from the previous books, Cage must cursed at least 3/4 of the book and that gets kinda redudndant with reading squilligies in conversations. I can understand for stressful moments but I don't remember Cage or Jones cursing that much. (perhaps in Bendis Powers that's how she's like). Also I felt the Hood could use some work, he seem very capable, has a bunch of potential, but it stinks that he and group aren't working out as well as he planned. It has been a little disappointing villain wise since the debut of New Avengers hopefully with the Skrulls and afterwards we'll see Bendis bring some actual fearsome foes. The art while it's good isn't in my particular taste, I swear it can be very confusing at moments especially with faces.
Plotwise it seems just to be the perlude to SI, while throwing the Avengers a baddie before the crossover. all in all I give it a low 7/10 or a high 6.5 /10 I'm little unsure at this moment, I think I might give it another reread.
RK
did u see spectacular spiderman yet ?
Good to hear and good luck with the move! May nothing get broken.
thanks, but a little bit too late for that. Some glass from a cupboard fell. o well no biggie.
I'll be able to post my own review Sunday night, after seeing it with my RK friends.
where's it at man ? i give it a 8 out of 10, it's my 3rd favorite out of the series.
they should give the reader a break with the series and do either singles or duology.
It's very reduntant, and boring. And if you don't like the beginning... you're pretty much screwed.
plus it's pointless IMO to spend money on a series when parts of it is utter drek. I found more good things in the Prequels than with NJO and LOTF.
That';s right! Heck, DarthIshtar and I wrote a collaboration with Dani in it. It was a beauty pageant taking place at Hoth Base, a morale-booster and fund raiser. Leia took part in it, Dani, and even Mara-she was undercover.
that's funny Mara in a beauty pageant...somehow I picture her gutting someone than attend one of those.
haven't heard from them for a while, perhaps they are busy with the last days of high school. I would like to know where's Joser, JK88, Leia Skywalker(at least I think that's her name), and Sith Pirate too.
It'd be nice for them to come back. *Sigh*
yeah we have come a long way.
same here in fact I prefer some Canadian humor from Kids in the Hall to the Monty Python.
Kids in the Hall? I haven't seen that in years either! Man, a good show...
I love the Cabbage Head/Crushing head/random humor. My favorite skit was probably the poor testtube guy.
And even bad books had some redeeming value. Crystal Star introed Lusa, and the BFC had the kick-butt Fifth Fleet.
at least there wasn't countless character death.
Yeah, thanks. LOL, I even wrote a fic with her in it.
[link=]http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/22897851/p1]Miss OCngeniality[/link] Although DarthIshtar's stuff is better than mine.
thanks for the link man, it's pretty good.
For a Zeltron, that's big. Come on, Cade! You've got your best shot right there!
looking forward to volume 3 the only thing that's keep SW alive to me.
Ah, I see. But they could've focused on forgiveness/redemption and still dropped either Sandman or Harry.
perhaps they could have left Venom for the next movie, but fans would have thrown a fit. Sandman belive or not is hail to be a wonderful CGI effect, and I like the character's struggle. the actor was from Wings, I miss that show.
Hmm, I suppose. Although the Spidey movies so far are good about not bringing the villians back to life, weird Norman hallucinations notwithstanding.
true, but I could see Venom coming back, I remember IGN mentioned one character would be coming back that died....and I believe Harry will stay in his coffin.
Well, unless you're going to Hoth...
I actually miss Hoth though, I hope to see some Wampa action in Legacy.
Little bit of a rant... I was going into work the other day, stopped by the toy section as I am wont to do. Stopped at the SW section and counted about 4-5 Vader/Anakin Skywalker variants.
WHo wants/needs that many? Where are the EU action figures, barring the new comic two-packs? I'd pay for a Tenel Ka, a Kyp, a Lusa, a Winter...
Vader? Except for my Unleashed version, I don't/want/need him at all.
you know I was thinking about that, stop releasing Movie figures for half a year and make some EU figures, I been waiting for a jedi master figure of Luke for some time, in black robes. also why don't they release them in 6 inches ? I mean it's not that big of a stretch right ?
JB
* The Hood was a wasted opportunity but the real crippling element was that the registration card was played out, were the NA bunch really the no . 1 criminal priority? Doubtful. At the same time it was a case of Marvel barrelling onto the next event without really exploring the consequences of the last one. Shaking up the status quo means little if you keep shaking it up and never really look at it.
like the SW books now for the past 8 years I also feel The Hood could have used more issues to develope and bit more cunning, he seemed to be a fill in the gap baddie.
* Nor are you assured quality from a creator: Brubaker's Cap is consistently excellent, his Daredevil is less so.
In agreement, while Bendis fluctatuates in NA his Ultimate Spider-man has been a consistent good run, Bendis also did a pretty good Daredevil, Thor I hear has been great, and Fraction's debut on Iron Man is stellar. I'm going to give Brand New Day a chance since I hear much of Slott as a good writer with a sense of humor and McNiven pencils are my favorite, but if I get some problems I might look into Ultimate Spidey. I also want Ultimates 2 badly.
* Marvel aren't helping themselves with some of their creative decisions either: For example, I don't see Immortal Iron Fist lasting long after the Brubaker/Fraction team depart, nor do I think Iron Man: Director of SHIELD will last given the Knaufs are now off the title. (Yes, very recent news, I'll be reading their eternals with interest.) At the same time the X-Titles are exhibiting the signs of being editorially driven, in the same way that crippled a good part of DC's stories.
why the early dismisal, while the series isn't for everybody why kick out both writers ? X-men also aren't newbie friendly so that hurts sales, yet Hulk manages to make money even though the current story arc needs some help.
* Found it to be a bloated crossover really.
perhaps, I didn't get any farther than he decides he's done being Wayne and his Bat-Family are furious with him.
the thing with this story arc it seems too focused on Stane's boy, which is much too early to say he how he is as a villain.
* Says the man who hasn't read Order Vol 2!
well bring on volume 2 already Trust came out actually earlier than I thought TPB is dued Jun 18th.
* For me the combination of Fraction-Larroca is enough to sell it. The character in the Ultimate line is quite different to his Marvel counterpart, equally there's a gap between Millar's take and others. In Avengers he generally tends to be portrayed as Iron Arse too. If you want a good portrayal of Stark you're left with Brubaker's Cap and the Knauf's work.
True, but my point is this is the year of the Stark, In NA he doesn't seem to be as bad as his Thor debut, I am looking forward to the Confession though.
* Remember that Brubaker has said the story has grown quite a bit, so I don't see him leaving the title for a long time.
how many issues u think ?
* That particular spoiler may well ruin it for you as it is a big twist. Oh and as for Nextwave, just read it - you'll love it. It's only 2 TPBs - it's cheap and brilliant.
great.
* No knowledge of the games do you need! As to how we converted COW, it went something like this, we said KOTOR has:
* COW was quite sceptical but found our pitch to be entirely true and quickly worked out why so many people have been loving KOTOR, for it has the same feel and style as the OT. And talking of whom....
if Stover's book doesn't impress than I will stop buying SW books and just buy SW comics then starting with Knights.
C
Marvel is a strange beast now, truly because you cannot get consistent quality from them any more. It's actually worse than if they were just straight up BAD because then you could at least not buy anything. Instead, Marvel routinely has an awesome issue then a cruddy issue then an awesome issue.
the same I hear could be said of JLA and Busiek's run on Superman, but I agree for New Avengers.
Likewise, it's been nearly forever since Mockingbird died. Clint Barton's scene with Bobbi in Secret Wars 2# was awesome though and helps me genuinely like Hawkeye again. That and it's nice to see a genuine lothario hero. Clint has slept with at least three superheroines since coming back from the dead. I confess, its difficult to ask whether I want him back with his wife so soon.
since his second return in NA (and this is a newbie talking) I been enjoying his portrayal, while he doesn't fill the gap for Rogers I still enjoy him on the team.
Unfortunately, bits like this are mixed up with the whole genuine morosse of bad titles being put out by Marvel right now. I truly was enjoying the New Avengers pre-Civil War and then Post-Civil War we get a Mighty Avengers and a New Avengers series that somehow manages to suck the fun out of both. Mighty Avengers showed promise but it seemed like they were unable to deliver more than a single good Ultron story from it.
even that was a mixed bag, apparently Marvel has a theme with turning villains to women to add some sex appeal, I look at Loki as prime suspect #1. I take it the Civil War tie In for NA was equally terrible ?
Also, Ultimates 3# is frustrating because Ultimates 2# was one of the best series ever put out by Marvel (along with Ultimates 1) but somehow has literally managed to become the worst title in Marvel's history overnight. The Robert Lielfield art, killing the Scarlet Witch, Wolverine having sex with Magneto's wife, Tony's Alcoholism, and freaking VALKYRIE. It's like watching a train wreck.
the switch between Millar and Hitch to Loeb and Mad doesn't work for Ultimates u lose the sense of realism maybe if had been Fraction and Epting..., they are now more like the Marvel universe characters than the Ultimates, and talk about different character portrayals, Ultimate Cap doesn't help a fallen Spiderman, Thor acts like his happy 616 drunk self, Tony is wearing his extremis armor.....
It's odd how characters that no one cares about are the ones that interest me. Next week's WHO DO YOU TRUST will contain the final fate of Gala Brand!
what brought me to NA was Spidey, Cap, Iron Man, and Logan, what hooked me were Spiderwoman and Cage. too bad Sentry didn't had such luck.
I disagree, I think they could have got a lot more mileage out of it. However, they've had Doctor Strange quit the team and they could have been doing some great stories with them versus supernatural threats.
I feel there is a lack of direction, while Cages leads yes, but he doesn't have the experience of Tony or heck even Hawkeye.
I'm kinda divided on Brubaker's Cap though. Oh, it's awesomely written but I really was hoping to see more adventures about Captain America as opposed to essentially Bucky. I enjoy the Winter Soldier arc but I miss Steve despite his looming presence over the book.
I thought once like you, but the first 5 books have been a pleasant surprise and have plenty of Steve then I thought and it balances out with James pretty well, it's like reading a Ludlum or Clancy novel. Have yet to witness the handle of the death so far, but I been pretty excited with the series.
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Congratulations on the new house and the new job, MS! Good luck!
thanks, I hope it goes well tomorrow. I'm getting settled pretty well.
I agree that one shouldn't use the Force as a crutch or unnecessarily. The problem with the lecture was the Luke WASN'T overusing or abusing the Force. I often felt that he wasn't using it ENOUGH!
true, but perhaps it was a lesson to learn, with great power comes great responsibility
I loved that part when Luke got out of the Jedi Trap using some ingenuity.
see i think it would have been nice if someone told me you would apprectiate Zahn once you matured a bit. I like how the plot is being handled.
I didn't quite understand that though, but it seemed as though the two of them were confused about their feelings for one another. You know Farmboy, he's a bit on the shy side. Mara, meanwhile was one who wasn't very trusting, so I think she was nervous about making a commitment. After Palpatine, it was difficult for her to trust again, yet, I think, she was definitely falling for Luke whether she was willing to admit it or not.
true but it felt kinda odd, I remember Mara was trying to impress Luke in DarkSaber, and it wasn't like they had a fight or a conflict...
I've only read half the book, so I'm probably not the best one to answer your question. So far, however, I didn't think Luke was being dark at all. Part of the problem is that we're seeing everything from the POV of other characters. We're never "inside his head" and privy to his thoughts. I can see where the amazing things that Luke does in Invincible might make others look upon him with awe, and even a bit of nervousness because he's so powerful. But, so far, at least, I haven't seen Luke as dark. I think people can read things they want to see into almost anything.
well that's good I guess some fans were using this as "fact" to prove Luke has fallen....like a Skywalker falling for the DS isn't redundant as it is.
Probably the TG reference was the one piece of evidence that they might have. Frankly though, I didn't understand what the author meant by it. It just seemed that Luke was telling Jaina that it was HIS responsibility to make the hard decisions and hers to get ready for the fight she would be involved in. And perhaps, since Leia was there, it was even in there to show Leia that she had been wrong about the vision in TG: Luke hadn't gone dark, though he had become powerful.
right or she could have misinterpert the vision with Jacen as the dark man.
I agree that the ERA gives the readers reason to hope. HOWEVER, what I'm saying is that the very existence of Legacy with the galaxy in this terrible condition means that no matter what Luke, Leia, and Han do from now on, we know they will be unsuccessful, that they will fail. And that's a very dark, depressing thought for me. THEY will never have a "happily ever after". That's now guaranteed because of Legacy.
I dunno, while I would have loved 1000 yrs of peace, I can be happy with 100 or with Luke becoming a force spirit with the galaxy in peace. but it's up to DR not to bash the OT characters so much and throw us a bone.
but you have to admit that Luke is at his best in Legacy compared to what the current depictions I have seen.
Unfortunately, Luke is barely there.
true, but this is another example of how his character hould be handled.
I thought that was a vision of Luke in DE, with Palpatine being the figure who says mine. It might be just be a nod to TG in Invincible. also the one of Jacen seeing white eyes might also be a prelude to Krayt's Sith Order.
Possibly. But don't forget that Luke wasn't really dark in DE.
he was just lost Iwould say, but Leia did have that vision in DE remember and the Emperor saying Mine with the illusion of his brother.
Don't forget about SOS LIT!
i won't but I second what C said
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ChildOfWinds
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Charlemagne19 :
For those of you who wonder where I've been, I've been working on editing my manusrcipt Halt Evil Doer! for the Role-playing Game Company Arbor Productions. It's going to be for Green Ronin's Mutants and Masterminds game.
Congratulations, C!!!!!! 
Nobody145 :
Not likely, because the preview is already up. They have a Jedi Council shown, and Master Traa-something, the tree Jedi from the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics,
Well, I won't disappoint you, N! I'm going to complain about YET another Clone Wars Jedi. There is NO Way that there should be so many CLone Wars Jedi running around, or "sticking in the ground" or whatever. That purge didn't accomplish much, did it??? Where were all of these Jedi when LUKE needed help in restoring the Jedi Order??? Why do they keep popping up out of the woodwork NOW when he's gone???? And I"m sorry, but I don't accept the excuse about not stepping on the toes of the novel authors. Legacy has ALREADY stepped on the toes of the novel authors and has dictated what must happen and what can't happen in the future. The least they could do is include some Jedi from Luke's era, or Jedi TRAINED by Luke or his Jedi.
I still want to know what happened to all of the Jedi of Luke's era though. Since even the latest RPG rules apparently say that Jedi can live up to twice as long as normal folk, Luke and most of his knights, not to mention, Ben, Jaina, Allana, and their children, should all be alive in the Legacy era.
RK_Striker_JK_5 :
With all due respect, Windy...
This is the REAL SOS.
Yeah, that's true. This. Is. SOS!!!
Aw, come on, guys! You hardly even talk about Luke here anymore. Come and join me in Lit! We fought so hard to get it back, and now most of you don't show up much anymore or talk about Luke much anymore.  And the whole point of the SOS thread continues! Luke is STILL written poorly!
If there's ONE Jedi who should be able to take out Dark Siders without going Dark, it's Luke! Yeah. He should know, after Vader, after Palps and Brakiss and Kueller, how to do it.
Exactly!
And while I wouldn't mind finding that Lowie or Lusa or any other Jedi from Luke's era was in that temple, I'm REALLY hoping for Ben to be one of the Jedi there.
*Walks up with weedkiller*
Gimme a break! Another freakin' prequel Jedi?
My sentiments exactly, Striker. This is getting to be beyond ridiculous.
Master_Keralys
but by and large fit into a rough direction that's rather different from mine.
Can you offer some examples?
Charlemagne19
Ironically, Legacy of the Force actually made me stop taking Star Wars so seriously.
I definitely understand that. LotF is so ridiculous it's hard to take it seriously.
MasterSkywalker86 :
true, but perhaps it was a lesson to learn, with great power comes great responsibility
I think it's probably a lesson Luke learned already by Truce at Bakura.
see i think it would have been nice if someone told me you would apprectiate Zahn once you matured a bit. I like how the plot is being handled.
Great! You've entered a larger world!
true but it felt kinda odd, I remember Mara was trying to impress Luke in DarkSaber,
Darksaber was written by a different author, and I'm not sure that Mara knew her true feelings at that time anyway.
well that's good I guess some fans were using this as "fact" to prove Luke has fallen....
I guess they don't like seeing a powerful Luke Skywalker! I certainly wish we'd get more books from Luke's point of view though. I'd really like one in first person, like I, Jedi was done.
right or she could have misinterpert the vision with Jacen as the dark man.
That's true. The dark man COULD have been Jacen in TG.
I dunno, while I would have loved 1000 yrs of peace, I can be happy with 100
Well, we already know it can't be more than 90, and with Sue Rostoni already saying that they aren't ready to give us a Lighter, more positive story, it doesn't look like we're going to be getting that peaceful era for a while.
he was just lost Iwould say, but Leia did have that vision in DE remember and the Emperor saying Mine with the illusion of his brother.
Wasn't the Emperor referring to Leia's child?
Hope to see all of you in Lit Soon!
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MS86,
The Trust is a bit of a mixed bag, I only gave it one reading so far, it seem like a decent followup to Revolution but gets kinda screwy and mundane with dialouge.
* Reading it monthly wasn't beneficial for me.
now to the Bad, okay what's the deal with the dialouge it's almost a departure from the previous books, Cage must cursed at least 3/4 of the book and that gets kinda redudndant with reading squilligies in conversations. I can understand for stressful moments but I don't remember Cage or Jones cursing that much. (perhaps in Bendis Powers that's how she's like).
Also I felt the Hood could use some work, he seem very capable, has a bunch of potential, but it stinks that he and group aren't working out as well as he planned. It has been a little disappointing villain wise since the debut of New Avengers hopefully with the Skrulls and afterwards we'll see Bendis bring some actual fearsome foes. The art while it's good isn't in my particular taste, I swear it can be very confusing at moments especially with faces.
* What do you make of the Hood-Tigra sequence? It was highly controversial due to the nature of how it was done, although there was some evidence that Bendis' script had not been rendered as well as it could have been. In the same issue we also have Wolverine getting his nuts shot off. Yet neither really amounted to much.
Plotwise it seems just to be the perlude to SI, while throwing the Avengers a baddie before the crossover. all in all I give it a low 7/10 or a high 6.5 /10 I'm little unsure at this moment, I think I might give it another reread.
* It remains a weak story for me as it's too obvious that the characters are being treated as game pieces.
like the SW books now for the past 8 years I also feel The Hood could have used more issues to develope and bit more cunning, he seemed to be a fill in the gap baddie.
* If you really want to see how the character can work check out the original MAX series by Brian Vaughan, it's very good and much better than what Bendis did with the character. Vaughan's story is why I was interested in the use of the Hood.
In agreement, while Bendis fluctatuates in NA his Ultimate Spider-man has been a consistent good run, Bendis also did a pretty good Daredevil, Thor I hear has been great, and Fraction's debut on Iron Man is stellar.
* Fraction is one of Marvel's best right now with both Iron Man and Thor. I agree Bendis' Daredevil was excellent but I don't think he's going to be that good again, the one title he remains consistently good on is Ultimate Spidey which I'm now following in HC.
hear much of Slott as a good writer with a sense of humor
* An excellent test run for Slott is GLA - very fun, very good.
and McNiven pencils are my favorite,
* You have heard about Wolverine: Old Man Logan, haven't you?
but if I get some problems I might look into Ultimate Spidey. I also want Ultimates 2 badly.
* Hint: Buy the Hardcover! It's worth it - oversized Hitch art!
why the early dismisal, while the series isn't for everybody why kick out both writers ? X-men also aren't newbie friendly so that hurts sales, yet Hulk manages to make money even though the current story arc needs some help.
* I'm loving Herc instead of Hulk. As for Iron Fist, it's Marvel promoting the writers really but I don't see it as good for the title.
* Found it to be a bloated crossover really.
well bring on volume 2 already Trust came out actually earlier than I thought TPB is dued Jun 18th.
* Think you'll like it.
* For me the combination of Fraction-Larroca is enough to sell it. The character in the Ultimate line is quite different to his Marvel counterpart, equally there's a gap between Millar's take and others. In Avengers he generally tends to be portrayed as Iron Arse too. If you want a good portrayal of Stark you're left with Brubaker's Cap and the Knauf's work.
True, but my point is this is the year of the Stark, In NA he doesn't seem to be as bad as his Thor debut, I am looking forward to the Confession though.
* Confession? I found both Stark and Danvers quite juvenile in NA. Stark right now needs both Fraction and the Knaufs but Marvel axed the latter run!
how many issues u think ?
* Haven't a clue but they're all likely to be good.
if Stover's book doesn't impress than I will stop buying SW books and just buy SW comics then starting with Knights.
* If you intend to take that path, let me know, I'll tell the best start points.
the same I hear could be said of JLA and Busiek's run on Superman, but I agree for New Avengers.
* JLA is all over the place due to DC wanting it tie-in to whatever X-over or event they're promoting, not even McDuffie can do much about that. As for Superman, it suffered from having to get fill in stories due to delays on the art but all the Busiek-Pacheco issues, which form Camelots Falls Books 1 & 2 is highly recommended, as is the follow on stories
Third Kryptonian, Insect Queen & Shadows Linger.
even that was a mixed bag, apparently Marvel has a theme with turning villains to women to add some sex appeal, I look at Loki as prime suspect #1. I take it the Civil War tie In for NA was equally terrible ?
* New Avengers Dissassembled was actually quite well done overall.
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I think it's probably a lesson Luke learned already by Truce at Bakura.
I don't think he ever overused his power ever, but the lesson should be reflected in order to keep up the pace, say as a refresher.
see i think it would have been nice if someone told me you would apprectiate Zahn once you matured a bit. I like how the plot is being handled.
Great! You've entered a larger world!
time to drink Corellian ale and start looking scruffy, but I have the heart of a jedi
Darksaber was written by a different author, and I'm not sure that Mara knew her true feelings at that time anyway.
true but you can NOW percieve it as Mara showing off her talents. u did say when Luke was going to rescued Mara, she dolled herself for Luke.
I guess they don't like seeing a powerful Luke Skywalker! I certainly wish we'd get more books from Luke's point of view though. I'd really like one in first person, like I, Jedi was done.
true, I have yet to find my local library to catch a glimspe of the book.
That's true. The dark man COULD have been Jacen in TG.
or of Palpatine, remember TG was a bit before DE.
Well, we already know it can't be more than 90, and with Sue Rostoni already saying that they aren't ready to give us a Lighter, more positive story, it doesn't look like we're going to be getting that peaceful era for a while.
hence why I say it ALL depends on DR.
Wasn't the Emperor referring to Leia's child?
Palps wanted power, be it Luke,Leia, and Anakin in DE or DE 2, he wanted it all.
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* Reading it monthly wasn't beneficial for me.
the wait for the book made me regret I use my CA money for the next tpb that debuts tomorrow. please tell me NA after Trust gets better.
* What do you make of the Hood-Tigra sequence? It was highly controversial due to the nature of how it was done, although there was some evidence that Bendis' script had not been rendered as well as it could have been. In the same issue we also have Wolverine getting his nuts shot off. Yet neither really amounted to much.
how so ? I mean all I sense was he stormed and beat her a bit to get information unless I missed something in my 10 second glance, don't get me wrong I found it bit rough(I don't like watching the hero get beaten) but it didn't stike me as more than that.
also the Logan thing was funny, "perhaps I'll grow it bigger.."
* It remains a weak story for me as it's too obvious that the characters are being treated as game pieces.
I felt much the same way, very old school comic plot, "hey guys the skrulls are out n about....but let's handle this threat first to fill in some time." and I felt Bendis was throwing some redundant dialouge with characters like Cage and Jones.
* If you really want to see how the character can work check out the original MAX series by Brian Vaughan, it's very good and much better than what Bendis did with the character. Vaughan's story is why I was interested in the use of the Hood.
how he acquired his powers ?
* Fraction is one of Marvel's best right now with both Iron Man and Thor. I agree Bendis' Daredevil was excellent but I don't think he's going to be that good again, the one title he remains consistently good on is Ultimate Spidey which I'm now following in HC.
JMS gets a nod for his contributions to the Thor series and Fraction for his Tales of Asgard.
* An excellent test run for Slott is GLA - very fun, very good.
have yet to get GLX
* You have heard about Wolverine: Old Man Logan, haven't you?
yes looking a bit like Clint in Unforgiven.
* Hint: Buy the Hardcover! It's worth it - oversized Hitch art!
I know, I saw one panel of Cap fighting on Iraq's turf to save some soldiers and I'm like this should happen in the movie....or the sequel.
* I'm loving Herc instead of Hulk. As for Iron Fist, it's Marvel promoting the writers really but I don't see it as good for the title.
because of Greg Pak, losing Fraction will probably hurt current fans enjoyment of the series, it might end like another Loeb run...but there's still a chance it might do well.
well bring on volume 2 already Trust came out actually earlier than I thought TPB is dued Jun 18th.
* Think you'll like it.
I hope so,never thought I would care for some no names.
True, but my point is this is the year of the Stark, In NA he doesn't seem to be as bad as his Thor debut, I am looking forward to the Confession though.
* Confession? I found both Stark and Danvers quite juvenile in NA. Stark right now needs both Fraction and the Knaufs but Marvel axed the latter run!
In Death of CA, Tony pours his heart out when his friend passed away. In NA I feel they're missing the big picture that I feel Steve could have drawn out for them. why did they axed the Knaufs ?
how many issues u think ?
* Haven't a clue but they're all likely to be good.
it's a mini right ?
if Stover's book doesn't impress than I will stop buying SW books and just buy SW comics then starting with Knights.
* If you intend to take that path, let me know, I'll tell the best start points.
how u rate the first trade ?
* JLA is all over the place due to DC wanting it tie-in to whatever X-over or event they're promoting, not even McDuffie can do much about that. As for Superman, it suffered from having to get fill in stories due to delays on the art but all the Busiek-Pacheco issues, which form Camelots Falls Books 1 & 2 is highly recommended, as is the follow on stories
Third Kryptonian, Insect Queen & Shadows Linger.
too many crossovers can really kill some cretive minds and sales...we don't need a crossover every year and I'm lookin at u Marvel.
* New Avengers Dissassembled was actually quite well done overall.
really ? what were yur favorite arcs and which did u disliked out of NA ?
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MS86,
the wait for the book made me regret I use my CA money for the next tpb that debuts tomorrow. please tell me NA after Trust gets better.
* #38 covers the Cages' relationship and is reasonably well done but Bendis has to get these two back together or there'll be one hell of a crapstorm. #39 is a SI prelude. After that the stories are SI-linked and are working very well. They function as flashbacks showing what has been done and why. Bendis has a chance to turn the title around here.
how so ? I mean all I sense was he stormed and beat her a bit to get information unless I missed something in my 10 second glance, don't get me wrong I found it bit rough(I don't like watching the hero get beaten) but it didn't stike me as more than that.
* It's one of those things that's common place in comics but if it was to be suggested there was a nasty, exploitative edge to the sequence that editorial should have picked up, it becomes fairly obvious.
how he acquired his powers ?
* That and more, it's an excellent tale.
* Fraction is one of Marvel's best right now with both Iron Man and Thor. I agree Bendis' Daredevil was excellent but I don't think he's going to be that good again, the one title he remains consistently good on is Ultimate Spidey which I'm now following in HC.
have yet to get GLX
* But you have GLA?
In Death of CA, Tony pours his heart out when his friend passed away. In NA I feel they're missing the big picture that I feel Steve could have drawn out for them.
* Ah, Civil War: The Confession.
why did they axed the Knaufs ?
* Haven't the faintest, dumb move though.
it's a mini right ?
* Eh? You were asking about Bru's Cap run, weren't you?
how u rate the first trade ?
* KOTOR is excellent, the first story sets the scene well with great characters and comedy amidst tragedy, but it's after that it kicks into high gear.
too many crossovers can really kill some cretive minds and sales...we don't need a crossover every year and I'm lookin at u Marvel.
* Yeah, I think both companies have picked up on the fact that fans are tiring of these. DC is finishing off its mega-arc of the last 4 years with Final Crisis; if they're smart Marvel will do likewise with SI.
really ? what were yur favorite arcs and which did u disliked out of NA ?
* In terms of NA Dissassembled: The weakest two were Sentry and Stark, neither really sold their positions where the Cap, Spider-woman and Cage ones were very effective.
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I don't really care for most things Marvel right now, but I am keeping up with it. New Avengers is an ok series, but meh, the author doesn't really seem to do team books ok, as he only seems to know how to write Spider-man banter, so that everyone ends up sounding like Spiderman, aside from the occasional "I'm Luke Cage!" moment. That kind of banter on Ultimate Spiderman is ok, I guess, even if Spiderman really seems out of his league in that comic, constantly getting beaten up, but at least in that comic, he really is just a rookie, so its understandable. I liked the Civil War NA Luke Cage one (though some complain about how fascist SHIELD was, but meh, that seems to be how SHIELD is usually portrayed these days), along with the Captain America one, and I used to like the Spiderwoman one (thougn now that her secret's out, most of the last four, five years of her stories are now worthless in terms of character). One of the more ridiculous things about SHIELD's new role post Civil War is that I find it funny that dozens of SHIELD stormtroopers in high-tech flying armor can descend on an illegal hero in seconds, but whenever a random villain goes on a rampge, SHIELD is never around, due to plot device of course. X-Factor had a funny sequence with that once, where Rictor and Wolfsbane saved a "poor, little former mutant" from some men in suits, then it turns out the men are FBI, the 4-foot guy has run away, and SHIELD has now surrounded them, while the 4-foot tall former mutant has managed to run away and the flying SHIELD stormtroopers can't even catch him. Um, sorry for the rant, just not really happy with many of my fictional continuities these days (Marvel, Star Wars novels, etc.). And of course, there's that minor dangling plotline of the changing eyecolor of the Cage baby, but then again, half the status of a lot of characters are still in flux at the moment, as Marvel's latest idiotic event mean they could now retcon the last few years of just about any character except Spiderman (as the last twenty years of his stories has already been retconned).
Just as long as Stark isn't retconned as being a Skrull, and so far, after SI #3, doesn't look that'll be happening, as I hope she wouldn't be pushing him that much mentally if he actually were just another Skrull agent, though I don't see why she doesn't just shoot him.
I wasn't much of a comics fan when Marvel disassembled the Avengers originally, but I liked Spiderman being an Avengers member, so I started following New Avengers. I just dislike that New Avengers has mostly been... treading water since then. They finally explained that SHIELD conspiracy from the first arc, but it just ends up being yet another Skrull thing, and ever since Civil War, they've mostly been caught up in the "you're a Skrull!" paranoia and then they were busy with World War Hulk and so and so on. The Sentry's mainly a waste of space, though its kind of funny how they wrote him out Secret Invasion because of his mental problems, and... who knows how Spiderman even still functions as part of the group, as now no one remembers his secret identity, Echo's a minor character, at one point during Revolution, Luke Cage says they're still together because there's some big conspiracy (the SHIELD thing, and maybe the Civil War thing, though sadly it turns out the Skrulls had little to nothing to do with that), but since then... nothing but soap opera. Although now New and Might Avengers are mainly being used to plug up plotholes in the main SI title, I think.
The Hand of Thrawn Duology really was a good set of books. I still think of it as the definitive Star Wars books, even if just about everything that's happened in those books has been cancelled out or rendered non-relevant, except for the official end of the Galactic Civil War (and in the current EU, the galaxy's ready to tear itself apart at the drop of a hat, so the GCW seems really tame by comparison these days). Still, two very good books. I'd reread them more often, but I get too depressed by knowing how many things end up.
Ah, Darksaber, I used to read that book a lot. I know KJA's not the most popular author, but at least he got rid of Callista. Although it was nice to have a somewhat steady girlfriend for Luke at least for a little while, though it seems kind of... icky that she's in the hot body of one of Luke's students, but at least she wasn't lying to him from the start, unlike that annoying Fallanasi. I don't remember Mara doing too much in that book, but there was this one nice scene where Mara and Callista just had a little chat, and Callista asked if Mara had any interest in Luke, given the past stories about Mara, and that both Mara and Callista were the same physical age, and Mara just waves it off as she wanted to kill Luke originally, but got over it. I don't really think there was any romance between the two at that point, but from Mara's introduction in the Thrawn Trilogy onwards, there was always some potential, in that Mara can't help but respect Luke, farmboy that he is, and from Luke's poitn of view, Mara's a very decent and pragmatic person, and Force sensitive too, and very attractive on top of all that, a nice counterpoint to Luke's idealism. It started out so nicely, and endured through NJO, and yet it ended so horribly. Then again, the describes a lot of EU these days too.
KotOR is highly recommended, all the issues, all the extras, and the TPBs, of course. And unlike Legacy, where... certain people are annoyed at the Empire ruling the galaxy again, KotOR is so far removed from most everything else (except the video game of course), that it doesn't affect most other Star Wars EU in any way, except for a certain peskey evil Talisman. I'm sometimes almost tempted to play the KotOR game because of the KotOR comics, but... meh, due to the lack of Zayne, I'll probably never get around to playing the games.
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BTW, whoever said that Lucas doesn't know continuity was a fool. I just found out that the last Young Indiana Jones chronicle Treasure of the Peacock's Eye ties directly into the prologue for Temple of Doom. The diamond the Chinese gangster trades to Indiana is the Peacock's eye. I always wondered why Indiana was so dead set on getting it and stopped caring once he had it.
Well, today's weekly comic book thoughts are these.
* Having purchased Thunderbolts 119 and 120, I've come to the conclusion that Ellis has no capacity for self-reflection or humor that's not Joker style. Just once, I'd love to someone to comment (especially Songbird) that "Never in my wildest dreams imagined that I'd wish that Baron Zemo were still in charge of this team."
Because, that's exactly what struck me when Venom had eaten a bunch of security guards, Norman Osbourne had entered a total nutty rant, and Swordsman had started his own revolt. I like that Swordsman failed in his redemption but....GOOD GOD.
This is a train wreck.
* Simultaneously, Who do you trust had some great issue moments. Captain Marvel deciding the Thunderbolts are a BIGGER threat to the world than the Skrulls (or the idea to divert Skrull invasion material to destroy them) is a weird decision.
However, I can't really blame him.
* Agent Brand has a nice Nick Fury with bosoms short story. The whole story highlights her character as a half-alien and actually works well with S.W.O.R.D which I think was a stupid idea at the start but works now.
* I now hope that Beast Skrull is the real Beast. It's nice to see him and Wonderman together again. The old wisecracking Beast is a breath of fresh air after CatBeast for so long.
* AGENTS OF ATLAS! I didn't expect them to show up. Johnny Woo even has his Illuminati like conspiracy mentioned!
* Nov-Var of the Kree never interested me but he makes an excellent showing here as a Kree SHOULD be. Enlightened and understanding....and arrogant as hell.
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Charles,
Because, that's exactly what struck me when Venom had eaten a bunch of security guards, Norman Osbourne had entered a total nutty rant, and Swordsman had started his own revolt. I like that Swordsman failed in his redemption but....GOOD GOD.
This is a train wreck.
* Which is the point and what quite a few people have been reading it for - the team is full of bastards for the most part, therefore seeing them inevitably self-destruct - and how - makes for a great read. Add in a satirical edge of the Thunderbolts having a super PR machine and it works. I know Osborne will improbably survive, that the consequences of this run will probably not be addressed but don't care, I'm enjoying it for what it is while it's here.
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Master_Keralys:
Ben - no, not the comic stuff. Some of you like Legacy.
I do. About a billion times more than LOTF, that's for sure.
Charles - it's more that you're all on such a completely different vector than I am in terms of how you look at Star Wars. Not necessarily bad (or good), just different. To be honest, I think you all take it a lot more seriously than I do, and that makes for far more polarized opinions. And the views in here have some variation, to be certain, but by and large fit into a rough direction that's rather different from mine.
So what's your vector, Victor? How do you see it, and how is it different from ours?
Charlemagne19:
Do share, I love hearing alternate opinions.
So do I, actually.
Ironically, Legacy of the Force actually made me stop taking Star Wars so seriously. Ditto NJO.
It wasn't THAT important anymore.
They made me stop caring, which is a damned shame, considering what SW did for me. It's faded into the background quite a bit.
MasterSkywalker86:
hey guys,i'm just getting settled now, I tell you this is probably the final move for my family but I still have the move in my mind, hopefully 3rd one is the charm. Anyway I'm greatful for the place and happy to have peace and quiet.
Cool. Hope this one sticks for you, then.
did u see spectacular spiderman yet ?
Saw a bit of it on a Saturday morning, and liked it, yeah.
thanks, but a little bit too late for that. Some glass from a cupboard fell. o well no biggie.
Ah, that sucks. Good thing it asn't too big, though.
where's it at man ? i give it a 8 out of 10, it's my 3rd favorite out of the series.
LOL, sorry. At the end of this post.
plus it's pointless IMO to spend money on a series when parts of it is utter drek. I found more good things in the Prequels than with NJO and LOTF.
I agree, although I'm not too much of a completist-ST series and Classics transformers excluded. And yeah, the prequels at least had sizzle to them and some substance.
that's funny Mara in a beauty pageant...somehow I picture her gutting someone than attend one of those.
She was under orders by Palps to infiltrate.  Have you read it?
I love the Cabbage Head/Crushing head/random humor. My favorite skit was probably the poor testtube guy.
"I'm crushing your head!" *Squeezes fingers together*
at least there wasn't countless character death.
That had no value to them.
Yeah, thanks. LOL, I even wrote a fic with her in it.
[link=]http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/22897851/p1]Miss OCngeniality[/link] Although DarthIshtar's stuff is better than mine.
thanks for the link man, it's pretty good.
Ah, you have read it! Glad you liked it. We were going for zany, but still 'them', you know?
looking forward to volume 3 the only thing that's keep SW alive to me.
I just picked up a Kir Kanos/Carnor Jax action figure 2-pack.  I need more!
perhaps they could have left Venom for the next movie, but fans would have thrown a fit. Sandman belive or not is hail to be a wonderful CGI effect, and I like the character's struggle. the actor was from Wings, I miss that show.
I wouldn't have thrown a fit. Leave him for the next and focus more on the other two. And yeah, that was a good comedy. Although I liked Cheers better.
true, but I could see Venom coming back, I remember IGN mentioned one character would be coming back that died....and I believe Harry will stay in his coffin.
It'd be very cheap to bring him back after how he died. although he and Spidey made one hell of a team.
you know I was thinking about that, stop releasing Movie figures for half a year and make some EU figures, I been waiting for a jedi master figure of Luke for some time, in black robes. also why don't they release them in 6 inches ? I mean it's not that big of a stretch right ?
No, it's not. And yeah, SW is missing out on some major money by not doing more EU figures. I wouldn't stop the movie figures, but scale back their production and ramp standards up to GI Joe figures, at least.
Don't forget about SOS LIT!
i won't but I second what C said
And I third it.
ChildOfWinds:
I'm going to complain about YET another Clone Wars Jedi. There is NO Way that there should be so many CLone Wars Jedi running around, or "sticking in the ground" or whatever.
I'm complaining, too. This is ridiculous! What, did the clonetroopers have blinders on or something? Did Vader sleep/whine through the Dark Times? Come on!
Where were all of these Jedi when LUKE needed help in restoring the Jedi Order???
A few of them, like Ikrit, have legit reasons for not being able to help. Others... not so much, especially after Endor!
And I"m sorry, but I don't accept the excuse about not stepping on the toes of the novel authors. Legacy has ALREADY stepped on the toes of the novel authors and has dictated what must happen and what can't happen in the future.
I don't, either. Kole/Cade mean Ben's gotta have kids. The kriffin' Fel dynasty means Jaina's with Captain cardboard-and at this point, those two deserve each other! Artoo's gotta survive.
On and on and on...
I still want to know what happened to all of the Jedi of Luke's era though. Since even the latest RPG rules apparently say that Jedi can live up to twice as long as normal folk, Luke and most of his knights, not to mention, Ben, Jaina, Allana, and their children, should all be alive in the Legacy era.
And kicking butt!
Aw, come on, guys! You hardly even talk about Luke here anymore. Come and join me in Lit! We fought so hard to get it back, and now most of you don't show up much anymore or talk about Luke much anymore. sad And the whole point of the SOS thread continues! Luke is STILL written poorly! sad
Sorry, Windy. I pop in on occasion, but lit's not too friendly to me on occasion. I'm a contrary to the prevalent mood and tidings.
If there's ONE Jedi who should be able to take out Dark Siders without going Dark, it's Luke! Yeah. He should know, after Vader, after Palps and Brakiss and Kueller, how to do it.
Exactly!
Thank you. Yeah, he's got experience with redemption and butt-kicking.
And while I wouldn't mind finding that Lowie or Lusa or any other Jedi from Luke's era was in that temple, I'm REALLY hoping for Ben to be one of the Jedi there.
How's about all three?
My sentiments exactly, Striker. This is getting to be beyond ridiculous.
*Hands some weedkiller and a garden hose to Windy* Shall we?
Oh, if I may ask, how's your mother?
I definitely understand that. LotF is so ridiculous it's hard to take it seriously.
Especially the latest book. it's into farce by now.
Anyway...
Review of 'The Crystal Skull!
I loved it. A rollicking good time, action and adventure. It's good that Harrison Ford's age isn't ignored, and that yes, he thinks it was closer. Shia did a great job as Indy's son Mutt. And the continuity was great, too. Seeing him and Marion at the end, and the hat rolling to Mutt... great.
The only part I didn't like was the infamous nuke scene. Altrhough it does establish Indy as functionally immortal. Maybe residual power from the Grail? Still, not enough to drag it down. Definitely my favorite Indy movie now.
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MasterSkywalker86 :
time to drink Corellian ale and start looking scruffy, but I have the heart of a jedi
LOL! Well, as long as you still have the heart of a Jedi, all is well.
true but you can NOW percieve it as Mara showing off her talents. u did say when Luke was going to rescued Mara, she dolled herself for Luke.
I don't know if you can say wearing the overalls that she seemed to be wearing was exactly "dolling herself up for Luke", but she did take a bath before he arrived.
true, I have yet to find my local library to catch a glimspe of the book.
Finding your local library should be a priority, and not just for SW books!
Nobody145 :
The Hand of Thrawn Duology really was a good set of books. I still think of it as the definitive Star Wars books,
I do too, along with The Thrawn Trilogy.
I'd reread them more often, but I get too depressed by knowing how many things end up.
Yes, isn't it sad what they've done to the characters and the galaxy?
but at least he got rid of Callista. Although it was nice to have a somewhat steady girlfriend for Luke at least for a little while, though it seems kind of... icky that she's in the hot body of one of Luke's students,
I really wish that Luke could have been introduced to Callista as a living, breathing person instead of as a voice in a computer. (How silly is that???) Then they went and made it worse by having Callista be a "Body snatcher.) YUCK!
but at least she wasn't lying to him from the start, unlike that annoying Fallanasi.
Don't even get me started on Akanah!
Mara just waves it off as she wanted to kill Luke originally, but got over it.
I sort of took that to mean that Mara was trying to pretend disinterest.
After all, it was pretty clear that Luke was pretty taken with Callista at the time, and Mara probably didn't want Callista to know that she cared for Luke; that it bothered her that it looked like Luke might have found someone.
I don't really think there was any romance between the two at that point,
And it's possible that I'm wrong and you're right about this.
It started out so nicely, and endured through NJO, and yet it ended so horribly. Then again, the describes a lot of EU these days too.
Sadly, that's so true. I've been reading Before the Storm, and though in my memory that was one of my least favorite books, I'm finding it's making me very nostalgic for the Bantam days, when stories were no longer than Three books long and there was so much more variety. It was a more hopeful period in that GFFA. It was a more "innocent" time in the EU, I think. The NR was doing fairly well; the Jedi Order was growing. Han and Leia's kids were young and full of potential for the future. There was no worry about favorite major characters dying or going dark. There was more discussion, more family time among the members of the Skywalker/Solo families. The stories had satisfying conclusions, and I wasn't left feeling depressed and annoyed when I finished reading the books.
And unlike Legacy, where... certain people are annoyed at the Empire ruling the galaxy again, KotOR is so far removed from most everything else (except the video game of course), that it doesn't affect most other Star Wars EU in any way,
I've never played the video games. But I like the fact that KoToR is so far removed from other eras that it doesn't affect the rest of the EU... That's my biggest problem with Legacy: it really does affect the novels and it really does set the future in stone. Because it exists, we know that Luke, Leia, and Han leave no lasting legacy and were never successful. They never got their "...happily ever after either".
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I'm complaining, too. This is ridiculous! What, did the clonetroopers have blinders on or something? Did Vader sleep/whine through the Dark Times? Come on!
It is really ridiculous, and I'm wondering why more people aren't complaining about it. I was SO hoping that we'd find some of Luke's Jedi or children of those Jedi in that hidden Temple. Instead, we get more prequel Jedi. YUCK!!!
A few of them, like Ikrit, have legit reasons for not being able to help. Others... not so much, especially after Endor!
I agree. Then after not helping Luke and letting him struggle on his own, they all miraculously show up after Luke's dead to "play Jedi" again.
And I"m sorry, but I don't accept the excuse about not stepping on the toes of the novel authors. Legacy has ALREADY stepped on the toes of the novel authors and has dictated what must happen and what can't happen in the future.
I don't, either. Kole/Cade mean Ben's gotta have kids. The kriffin' Fel dynasty means Jaina's with Captain cardboard-and at this point, those two deserve each other! Artoo's gotta survive.
On and on and on...
Exactly!
Since even the latest RPG rules apparently say that Jedi can live up to twice as long as normal folk, Luke and most of his knights, not to mention, Ben, Jaina, Allana, and their children, should all be alive in the Legacy era.
And kicking butt!
Right! I'd really love to hear the explanation for why not only don't we see many of them, we don't see ANY!!!!
Sorry, Windy. I pop in on occasion, but lit's not too friendly to me on occasion.
The only place I seem to be welcome in Lit is in the SOS thread. But I don't let that stop me. Someone has to provide a minority opinion.
Yeah. He should know, after Vader, after Palps and Brakiss and Kueller, how to do it.
Definitely!
I'm REALLY hoping for Ben to be one of the Jedi there.
How's about all three?
That would be fine with me!
*Hands some weedkiller and a garden hose to Windy* Shall we?
Oh yes!!!!! And don't forget to burn that "Hat" too!
Oh, if I may ask, how's your mother?
Thank you so much for asking, Striker!!! She's doing better. She can walk with a cane now, and she can walk up and down steps. I still don't leave her alone if I can help it, but she's getting stronger and more confident every day. Her wrist is greatly improved too, though the muscles and tendons still have a lot of healing to do. She still gets physical therapy three times a week, but this will end after next week.
Especially the latest book. it's into farce by now.
Sadly, this is true, and I still don't understand what the whole point of the series was...
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ChildOfWinds
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Sheesh! Where is everyone? Are you not even discussing the latest copies of Legacy and KotoR?
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Title: Lit Mod of Being Away Because He's Sick Right Now
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A better question: will the followers, the great devotees, of Luke Skywalker, implacable enemy of the Sith, rise to help combat - by words if possible, by force if not - this new enemy of freedom, Sinrebirth, self-proclaimed and illegitimate Emperor of the EUC?
- Keralys
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