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Jedi Ben
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On the move, all I'll say is by way of a Babylon 5 quote:
"I'd look at this as an opportunity Commander and not a burden."
I like how Horsey and Jello have welcomed to this patch, we also get to inflict our particular brand of anarchy upon EUC. Does they know what they've let in? 
Now, where were we? I know MS86 and I were discussing comics and SW gaming. I'm still hacked off that The Order has been cancelled, a Messiah Complex rant is probably on the cards and scattered across all this will be various SW comments.
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MasterSkywalker86
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Just a post to everybody, what do you think was the best Luke book up to date ? has the SOS have any impact on the current status of Luke ?
and what do you think was his best feat ? it could be any great act he has done for the greater good.
THEN they need to think: "How would I write Yoda if he were TWICE AS POWERFUL?"
Then they'll figure out how to write Luke.
i agree with this, in the clone wars micro series they had no problem having Yoda display his prowess. yet in the books we see Luke strained with one fighter. it just doesn't add up. I mean we hear how powerful Luke is yet we haven't seen any display that's more powerful than yoda other than reaching to the heart of the force and defeating Palpatine.
JB I see you made it, yes I agree they don't know what hell they unleash upon themselves.....  jk
back to our comic discussion, How do you know the Order is cancelled ? I know issue 10 is released in April, Thor gets a blast from the past with a look back at his past and present history in April as well. To be honest I have been avoiding X-men, they lost their appeal which goes back to their roots, being different. X-men first class seems rather simplified with one team rather than five, haven't read it though but I bet things weren't as complicated as they're now, like Jean not dying for the 3rd time.
ok so elektra and blackbolt were the first skrulls who do you think is the next one ?
it's sad there are no previews for Thor #6, I mean the delay is pain enough why dont they throw us a bone ?
as for BND, I'll give one TPB a chance, I still hate web shooters. isn't it ironic Thor breaks out of the cycle of Ragnarok and Spidey reverts to his previous cycle ?
for the second volume of Legacy, shards, would you recommend it ?
also they're killing off Bats ? I mean I don't read DC but what are they doing ? trying to follow the Captain America approach ? how many fans will DC lose after this one ? also why does Bruce have a son ?
well for SW gaming what's yur opinion or Force Unleashed ? I know your a sky jockey rather than a jedi hippie but have you seen the trailer ? as for consoles I have sold my Xbox 360, I recommend ppl avoid the system, it's basicaly faulty hardware. for now I'll see how much a psp will cost, since the DS doesn't have the power i'm looking for.
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Ulicus
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MasterSkywalker86 posted:
i agree with this, in the clone wars micro series they had no problem having Yoda display his prowess.
Yeah... I'm not sure that I buy the Clone Wars microseries as being an accurate reflection of Yoda's power. Or anyone's.... 
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Dunc T'racen
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However, the problem with Luke being so powerful is that he could pretty much become his own dues ex machina. Hell, we saw that pretty early on with Courtship. And let's not forget how much folks loved it when Hambly tried to handicap him in COTJ.
It's a fine line. Luke is so powerful that he really needs to assume the Yoda role as mentor, but as the previous incarnation of the thread so verbosely proved, many fans don't want him to gracefully retire to the sidelines. I would think that's quite a dilemma for Del Rey and the authors, which might be why they went with a much more emotional threat this time...
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Master_Starwalker
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I'd love for Luke to become a wise mentor. But then, I think his best portrayal in years has been his Force Ghost in Star Wars Legacy so that's hardly surprising.
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Ulicus
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Dunc T'racen posted:
However, the problem with Luke being so powerful is that he could pretty much become his own dues ex machina. Hell, we saw that pretty early on with Courtship. And let's not forget how much folks loved it when Hambly tried to handicap him in COTJ.
It's a fine line. Luke is so powerful that he really needs to assume the Yoda role as mentor, but as the previous incarnation of the thread so verbosely proved, many fans don't want him to gracefully retire to the sidelines. I would think that's quite a dilemma for Del Rey and the authors, which might be why they went with a much more emotional threat this time...
I think you're pretty much spot on there, Dunc.
Personally - and I know I'm not exactly going with the flow of the majority of SOS - I'd be absolutely fine with Luke being in the "Yoda" role. It's just difficult to excuse such a role for him when we have all these "Big Galactic Threats". Luke's saga, I feel, is done... yet, as long as we have the BGTs, there's no believeable way to have him sit out. And then, of course, there are few realistic ways to justify why he's not a Deus Ex Machina.
Unless, perhaps, everyone's interepreted Lucas wrong and Luke *doesn't* have the potential of Daddy Vader....
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I don't mind having Luke as the Yoda Grandmaster role, the problem is that if he just sat around the Temple, then that might look a litle irresponsible. During the prequel era, we had Obi-wan, Anakin, or in the comics people like Quinlan, Aalya, Tholme, etc. to solve problems while Yoda could be the grandmaster. There's a Jedi Council again, but it still seems like Luke has to do everything. Ben's shaping up nicely, and Anakin (Solo) had a few novels focusing on him mainly, but it still feels like Luke's obligated to solve everything.
Actually, during LotF, there's been some hints about there being a bit too much hero worship focusing on Luke. For instance, Luke didn't do anything about Jacen for a while as Mara told him not to do anything about Jacen for a while, so the Jedi didn't really do much for the first half of the series.
The Young Jedi Knights (and even Junior) had Luke as the mentor role, and that series worked out fine. Luke still showed up for final battles, but the next generation could go and usually solve their own adventures.
And yeah, Force ghost Luke has been one of the better portrayals of Luke in years. We still get to see Luke, but as he's a ghost, he can't really do much and doesn't seem stupid for doing so. Its actually a testament to Luke's willingness to help out that he still bothers to keep on trying to help the galaxy even after his death. And he's powerful enough to keep appearing to someone he probably wasn't close too (depending on how many generations are between Luke and Cade).
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Lord_Riven
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Ulicus posted:
Personally - and I know I'm not exactly going with the flow of the majority of SOS - I'd be absolutely fine with Luke being in the "Yoda" role. It's just difficult to excuse such a role for him when we have all these "Big Galactic Threats". Luke's saga, I feel, is done... yet, as long as we have the BGTs, there's no believeable way to have him sit out. And then, of course, there are few realistic ways to justify why he's not a Deus Ex Machina.
There is a simple solution for Del Rey. Don't always write BGT's.
I personally, would also love him to play a more Yoda role, but remember that Yoda also stepped out to fight once in a while, so there is nothing wrong with Luke serving in a Yoda-esque role.
The next generation needs its literary space to grow, and I fear that DR have been starving it. As much as they've been mishandling Luke, they've also been mishandling the next generation. I can't really find it in myself to really root for Ben, Jacen is just a shmables of a chracter now, the only thought that I have about Jaina is who is she going to end up with. She just doesn't really function as a separate character.
I hope we do get a Jaina or a Ben focused novel soon, something to get us to like them, and connect with them cos' the next generation sorely needs to take a step forward into the spotlight, and Luke needs to step back into a role more appropriate for his character.
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Lord_Riven posted:
There is a simple solution for Del Rey. Don't always write BGT's.
That's what I was getting at 
Lord_Riven posted:
I personally, would also love him to play a more Yoda role, but remember that Yoda also stepped out to fight once in a while, so there is nothing wrong with Luke serving in a Yoda-esque role.
The next generation needs its literary space to grow, and I fear that DR have been starving it. As much as they've been mishandling Luke, they've also been mishandling the next generation. I can't really find it in myself to really root for Ben, Jacen is just a shmables of a chracter now, the only thought that I have about Jaina is who is she going to end up with. She just doesn't really function as a separate character.
I hope we do get a Jaina or a Ben focused novel soon, something to get us to like them, and connect with them cos' the next generation sorely needs to take a step forward into the spotlight, and Luke needs to step back into a role more appropriate for his character.
I can't disagree with any of that. 
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The best portrayal for Luke for me was... wait for it... the YJK version. The perfect mix of butt-kicker/mentor. He knew when to step back and when to kick butt and take names.
I can't take JINO seriously as his opponent because... it's JINO! I laugh and weep at the thought of him being threat one without massive dumbing and powering down of Luke. Mara had to fall for a trick she already saw through to die. For the love of Primus...
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RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
The best portrayal for Luke for me was... wait for it... the YJK version.
Gosh.. REALLY?!
I had no idea you liked YJK so much, Striker. 
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
The perfect mix of butt-kicker/mentor. He knew when to step back and when to kick butt and take names.
I suppose you speak truly.
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
I can't take JINO seriously as his opponent because... it's JINO! I laugh and weep at the thought of him being threat one without massive dumbing and powering down of Luke. Mara had to fall for a trick she already saw through to die. For the love of Primus...
Can I ask why you still refer to him as Jacen In Name Only when he's not Jacen In Name? 
Is it becuase other people still call him Jacen? Will you stop when he's finally addressed as Darth Caedus exclusively?
As for JI-uh, I mean, Caedus' power levels... I'd say that the authors are treating him almost as badly as Luke. In DNT he was a *powerhouse*... five years later, he seems rather weaker than he should.
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Ulicus posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
The best portrayal for Luke for me was... wait for it... the YJK version.
Gosh.. REALLY?!
I had no idea you liked YJK so much, Striker.
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
The perfect mix of butt-kicker/mentor. He knew when to step back and when to kick butt and take names.
I suppose you speak truly.
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
I can't take JINO seriously as his opponent because... it's JINO! I laugh and weep at the thought of him being threat one without massive dumbing and powering down of Luke. Mara had to fall for a trick she already saw through to die. For the love of Primus...
Can I ask why you still refer to him as Jacen In Name Only when he's not Jacen In Name?
Is it becuase other people still call him Jacen? Will you stop when he's finally addressed as Darth Caedus exclusively?
As for JI-uh, I mean, Caedus' power levels... I'd say that the authors are treating him almost as badly as Luke. In DNT he was a *powerhouse*... five years later, he seems rather weaker than he should.
It's true, Ulicus. I hide my love for the YJK well, though.
No, I won't stop. I find it laughable at best that he's a Sith, and I also think he's the stupidest Sith in history, the only other one coming close Maul.
And I coined JINO, so no way I'll stop using it. And also, it is a protest against what they've done with him since VP. He is Jacen In Name Only.
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Ulicus posted:
As for JI-uh, I mean, Caedus' power levels... I'd say that the authors are treating him almost as badly as Luke. In DNT he was a *powerhouse*... five years later, he seems rather weaker than he should.
Not just looking. In Inferno, when fighting Jacen, Luke is surprised that Jacen is as powerful as a Jedi Master, when already in TUF Jacen was shown to be more powerful than a powerful Jedi Master like Kyp Durron. So, for some reason Jacen has gone through a massive downgrading when it comes to Force powers and skills.
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Rouge77 posted:
Ulicus posted:
As for JI-uh, I mean, Caedus' power levels... I'd say that the authors are treating him almost as badly as Luke. In DNT he was a *powerhouse*... five years later, he seems rather weaker than he should.
Not just looking. In Inferno, when fighting Jacen, Luke is surprised that Jacen is as powerful as a Jedi Master, when already in TUF Jacen was shown to be more powerful than a powerful Jedi Master like Kyp Durron. So, for some reason Jacen has gone through a massive downgrading when it comes to Force powers and skills.
Good points.
I don't understand why they suddenly made the switch between "Jedi Master = Wise", to "Jedi Master = A Certain Power Level".
It's well stupid. Tionne is a Jedi Master - she's not some uber powerful person.
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Ulicus posted:
I don't understand why they suddenly made the switch between "Jedi Master = Wise", to "Jedi Master = A Certain Power Level".
It's well stupid. Tionne is a Jedi Master - she's not some uber powerful person.
I thought that Jedi Master was a title conferred upon a Jedi (for experience, going thru trials, responsibility etc...), it should never have been read into as indicating anything about power levels.
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No, I won't stop. I find it laughable at best that he's a Sith, and I also think he's the stupidest Sith in history, the only other one coming close Maul.
And Maul at least had the cool double lightsaber thing going for him  .
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