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darthcaedus1138 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 6/19 6:50am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	if they're luke fans, they won't have this -----signature----- All work and no play makes darthcaedus1138 a dull boy. All work and no play makes darthcaedus1138 a dull boy. All work and no play makes darthcaedus1138 a dull boy. All work and no play makes darthcaedus1138 a dull boy.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 6/19 8:27am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Indeed. Luke wouldn't blindly go to war without first examining the situation. And a situation such as this would lead to one conclusion. War is not necessary. -----signature----- Kage Umbris of the Templars of Twilight (as Kev-Mas Colcha) Jedi Master of the Jedi Order (as Kexx Mazinn) http://kevmascolcha.twilightmainframe.net/links Colcha/Mikaru '08
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/19 1:32pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	You don't need Luke to solve the problem, you need Snake. Oh and COW: If I had copies then yes but that won't be until Saturday. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/25 8:31pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben Oh and COW: If I had copies then yes but that won't be until Saturday. So what did you think of the most recent issues of Legacy and KotoR?
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/26 12:40pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds posted: Jedi Ben Oh and COW: If I had copies then yes but that won't be until Saturday. So what did you think of the most recent issues of Legacy and KotoR? Well, since no one else is posting..... KOTOR 30: And another one bites the dust! Feln falls, the victim of his own arrogance and disdain. The Covenant are riven by internal disagreement and Lucien seems to becoming more of a bastard than he was previously. It's throughly excellent. Legacy 25: Much is revealed and the hard questions are asked of Emperor Fel's role in the Sith-Imperial war. The reception the IKs receive from the Jedi, due to their sneaking in and their later admission of relaying the location of the temple to Bastion seem exceptionally dumb and you have to wonder why Marasiah thought either move a good idea. We find out how Vao, Wolf and K'Krukh survived the bombardment of Ossus and see Cade propose the assassination of Krayt, which is met with some unease. Meanwhile Azlyn Rae crosses paths with her old Jedi Master, who is the same Jedi that killed Syn's father. So, as ever, a good many plots are up in the air and all get progressed and inbound, still unknown to everyone, is the threat of the Muur Talismen.... -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/26 9:24pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben KOTOR 30: And another one bites the dust! Feln falls, the victim of his own arrogance and disdain. The Covenant are riven by internal disagreement and Lucien seems to becoming more of a bastard than he was previously. It's throughly excellent. I'm looking forward to this! I'm way behind at the moment. I haven't even read the first issue of Vector yet. What is the Muur Talismen by the way? Legacy 25: Much is revealed and the hard questions are asked of Emperor Fel's role in the Sith-Imperial war. So WHAT did Fel say? We find out how Vao, Wolf and K'Krukh survived the bombardment of Ossus Well, we did see Shado and Wolf get away in one of the early issues. I can't say that I care all that much about how KK survived, as I think he should be LONG dead. So do we find out about any other Jedi who survived? Any of the NJO Jedi, not the Old Republic Jedi?
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 6/27 12:29am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Do you want spoilers about the Muur Talisman? But in broad terms, its an evil Sith artifact with a mind of its own with the power to raise a huge army very quickly. It also acts as the main crossover item for the Vector crossover. I could go more into details, but suffice it to say, its very bad news and is gone from Zayne's era, fortunate for that era, but unfortunate for every other era. As for what Marasiah said- not that much new stuff really. Basically, she cites how the GA, Jedi and Imperials were allies under the Treaty of Anaxes, which was some sort of mutual defense pact in case anything like the Vong attacked again. After the Ossus Project went horribly wrong, Emperor Roan Fel met with Kol Skywalker, and Fel agreed to wait while Skywalker investigated, but she also mentions how no Emperor has ruled absolutely since the Second Galactic Empire started, and instead the Moffs were eager for a war and overrruled him, then the Moffs went behind his back again to stage the Ossus Massacre, etc. Then she gives the same old pitch, the Sith are their common enemies, and if they can't be friends, they should be allies against the Sith at least. The Jedi Council acknowledge that while everything she said may be true, the Sith have huge numbers and rule the galaxy, while it'll take a long while for the Jedi to rebuild. Cade then proposes that instead of just hiding away for a few decades and rebuilding, that instead the Jedi just go out and kill Krayt, and then the Sith will all kill each other off. Cade also tells the Jedi Council that Krayt was A'shard, then T'ra Saa can't believe that a good person like A'Sharad would become someone like Krayt, and that its unlikely A'Sharad could live into this time period, but K'kruhk points out the CLone Wars changed them all, and A'Sharad always had his problems. So, Roan Fel doesn't bear much ill will towards the Jedi in general (though he views Cade as a major threat for some reason, that Cade might possibly have dug up some vital secrets on Bastion while he was there, or that Cade is now a willing or unwitting tool of the Sith, etc.), but that still doesn't change that he was Emperor during the war. Even if he didn't personally order any of the horrible events, he actually directly gave orders to try and protect the Jedi, but... it doesn't really speak well of his power or influence over what was supposed to be his Empire when the Moffs overruled him or ignored him on both the Sith-Imperial and the Ossus Massacre. Now, deposed, he has even less influence. But none of that really matters as the Jedi are just preparing for another long rebuilding period to eventually counter Krayt's Sith legions. Not to mention that the Imperial Knights kinda snuck in and already leaked the location of their Hidden Temple to Bastion. Though tactically, Draco probably wouldn't have let the Princess risk herself on a mission like this unless they had already transmitted the coordinates, so that the Jedi wouldn't get any ideas about capturing or killing them to keep their location secret or something like that. And yeah, uninvited guests showing up with lightsabers drawn really isn't a nice way to show up where they're not welcome, but I guess they were going for a big entrance and they have a flair for the dramatics. Or Marasiah really does think her status as Imperial princess is enough to protect her party and give them automatic diplomatic protection. The IKs don't attack anybody, but yeah, Shado's automatically is cautious, and Cade is just pissed that they used him to find this place. On an interesting note, after Cade presents his "go assassinate Krayt plan" the Jedi aren't exactly amenable to the plan, but the IKs love that idea. And if the Jedi Council turns down the plan (since killing Krayt won't just solve all the galaxy's problems that easily), the IKs are probably more than willing to help Cade with his plan (as Cade has inside knowledge about the Sith). And Marasiah says if Cade is uncooperative with the IKs, they can always use credits to bribe him. As for the Jedi, like Shado and Wolf, they're just still not sure about Cade's stability or his sanity (and rightfully so). Nat can tell Cade's gotten worse since his stay with the Sith, and so can Shado and Wolf to some degree. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/27 8:00am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds posted: So do we find out about any other Jedi who survived? Any of the NJO Jedi, not the Old Republic Jedi? No new survivors among pre-Legacy NJO Jedi. But lots of new Legacy NJO Jedi seem to be around. Although whether this Jedi Order in Legacy can be said to be NJO anymore is questionable. It's more closer to OJO. I don't find it all bad, they seem to be more idealistic than the Jedi in Invincible, which I find to be a good thing. I'm not just sure that the Jedi in the Hidden Temple are safe. I have a feeling that they will get attacked by the Sith and Roan Fel gets blamed, as the IKs themselves tell to the Jedi Council that they sent the location of the Temple to him. It seems too much like a set-up similar to the one we saw when the Fel Imps tried to ally themselves with the GA remnant the first time. -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/27 4:05pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 posted: Though tactically, Draco probably wouldn't have let the Princess risk herself on a mission like this unless they had already transmitted the coordinates, so that the Jedi wouldn't get any ideas about capturing or killing them to keep their location secret or something like that. Such thinking betrays much about the nature of the IKs, that they're nowhere near as good or pure as they like to believe. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/27 4:39pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds: I do too, along with The Thrawn Trilogy. Add the YJK and JAT and that's really all I need for SW. I really wish that Luke could have been introduced to Callista as a living, breathing person instead of as a voice in a computer. (How silly is that???) Then they went and made it worse by having Callista be a "Body snatcher.) YUCK! That had to be awkward for Luke. It was the body of one of his students! It is really ridiculous, and I'm wondering why more people aren't complaining about it. I was SO hoping that we'd find some of Luke's Jedi or children of those Jedi in that hidden Temple. Instead, we get more prequel Jedi. YUCK!!! Where were they? How come Palps couldn't find them? Why didn't they help Luke out? Ikrit was asleep for 500 years, woke up and started helping out Anakin and Tahiri. He's a paragon of Jediness compared to the others. I agree. Then after not helping Luke and letting him struggle on his own, they all miraculously show up after Luke's dead to "play Jedi" again "Oh, here we are to help!" "... And where were you when Luke was trying to rebuild the Order? The Vong Incursions? JINO?!???" I don't, either. Kole/Cade mean Ben's gotta have kids. The kriffin' Fel dynasty means Jaina's with Captain cardboard-and at this point, those two deserve each other! Artoo's gotta survive. On and on and on... Exactly! Denning had to get rid of Zekk to make sure J/J happened. Luke's gonna die. Leia and Han, too. Those prequel Jedi are probably gonna start showing up, too. Sigh Right! I'd really love to hear the explanation for why not only don't we see many of them, we don't see ANY!!!! They're probably off on vacation. Yeah, that's it... The only place I seem to be welcome in Lit is in the SOS thread. But I don't let that stop me. Someone has to provide a minority opinion. You're braver than I am, then. I'm REALLY hoping for Ben to be one of the Jedi there. How's about all three? That would be fine with me! Cool. "Hey, Old Man!" "Don't call me old man, whipper-snapper! Why, when I was your age..." Hands some weedkiller and a garden hose to Windy Shall we? Oh yes!!!!! And don't forget to burn that "Hat" too! Let's make sure that stupid Whiphid's getting torched, too! Thank you so much for asking, Striker!!! She's doing better. She can walk with a cane now, and she can walk up and down steps. I still don't leave her alone if I can help it, but she's getting stronger and more confident every day. Her wrist is greatly improved too, though the muscles and tendons still have a lot of healing to do. She still gets physical therapy three times a week, but this will end after next week. Well, good to hear. Hope she's still improving. And make sure she attended her therapy, too! Jedi_Ben: I have Megatron: Origin and Devastation. Wow, those were awesome. You don't need Luke to solve the problem, you need Snake. Snake Plissken, or some other Snake? Master_Keralys A better question: will the followers, the great devotees, of Luke Skywalker, implacable enemy of the Sith, rise to help combat - by words if possible, by force if not - this new enemy of freedom, Sinrebirth, self-proclaimed and illegitimate Emperor of the EUC? Keralys is right. We must oppose the reign of the Sith! Kev-Mas_Colcha: Indeed. Luke wouldn't blindly go to war without first examining the situation. And a situation such as this would lead to one conclusion. War is not necessary Luke knows the difference between right and wrong. And NJO-Luke notwithstanting, he'll fight to defend his home and family from evil. Rogue77: No new survivors among pre-Legacy NJO Jedi. But lots of new Legacy NJO Jedi seem to be around. Although whether this Jedi Order in Legacy can be said to be NJO anymore is questionable. It's more closer to OJO. I don't find it all bad, they seem to be more idealistic than the Jedi in Invincible, which I find to be a good thing. I'd say that's bad, actually. How much closer? And who among the NJO Jedi have survived? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Kev-Mas_Colcha Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 6/27 5:22pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK_Striker_JK_5 posted: Kev-Mas_Colcha: Indeed. Luke wouldn't blindly go to war without first examining the situation. And a situation such as this would lead to one conclusion. War is not necessary Luke knows the difference between right and wrong. And NJO-Luke notwithstanting, he'll fight to defend his home and family from evil. And apparently you don't know the difference from right or wrong. Just because they are Sith, and an Empire, doesn't mean they are evil and you have to kill them. They could be doing the Galaxy a favor, you never know until you actually LOOK and SEE what is going on before you cry Rebellion. -----signature----- Kage Umbris of the Templars of Twilight (as Kev-Mas Colcha) Jedi Master of the Jedi Order (as Kexx Mazinn) http://kevmascolcha.twilightmainframe.net/links Colcha/Mikaru '08
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/27 5:35pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK_Striker_JK_5 posted: I'd say that's bad, actually. How much closer? And who among the NJO Jedi have survived? No actual survivors from the novels, sorry, I just meant NJO Jedi from the Legacy comic era instead of OJO survivors - and wasn't clear enough about this. If they can be called NJO Jedi. At least two of the three members of the Jedi Council are OJO Jedi and they do seem to view it all as one same Order from the pre- Clone Wars days to Legacy. I would say that only thing that separates these Legacy comic Jedi from OJO is that they do appear to accept marriage and children. And even then, the Skywalkers are the only example of that. Otherwise they seem to be all totally OJO Jedi. -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker
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s65horsey Title: EUC Manager SWC Lil' Sis Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 6/27 7:25pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	How are the Luke fans doing? I've missed quite a bit over the last several weeks with trying to figure out my life, graduating, and going to a conference but I'm settling down a bit now. I have a direction which is nice. I enjoyed how Luke was portrayed in Invincible, primarily because I like the behind the scenes stuff that he was doing. I think it suited him well for a lesser role and perhaps finally being able to step out of the spotlight and get to relax a little and train Ben. -----signature----- Sinre's Sey
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 6/28 1:52am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK, I wasn't impressed with Megatron Origin, but Devastation is indeed excellent, wait until you see what follows it... Unfortunately, I'm reappraising my interest in All Hail Megatron as it's now been said the reason for the 'cons running wild on Earth is explained in that story and isn't linked to the Grassus 9 outbreak. On the one hand I can see the rationale, a free-standing story etc but on the other, I've since heard it seems Furman may have been on the receiving end of some office politics, which would explain the sharp turn IDW's Transformers has taken. Problem being is I'm buying this for Furman, not anyone else, still there's still 3 parts of Revelation and later there's Maximum Dinobots. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/28 6:11pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	s65horsey : How are the Luke fans doing? I've missed quite a bit over the last several weeks with trying to figure out my life, graduating, and going to a conference but I'm settling down a bit now. I have a direction which is nice. I'm doing well, Horsey! Thanks for asking! I'm enjoying the summer break from my first graders. Congratulations on your graduation and good luck in your future endeavors! I enjoyed how Luke was portrayed in Invincible, A lot of people saw Luke as dark in Invincible, but I didn't see him that way. While I'm still irked that they used that lame excuse that Luke couldn't face Jacen because he would go dark, it was good to finally see the smart, decisive Jedi Grand Master at work. I do wish that we would get more of Luke's point of view, feelings, and thoughts in books. Then I don't think people would see him as dark. I do want to see Luke finish Ben's training. I'd like to see them have some adventures together. Nobody145 : Do you want spoilers about the Muur Talisman? But in broad terms, its an evil Sith artifact with a mind of its own with the power to raise a huge army very quickly. Yes, that's exactly what I wanted. Thanks for the information! It sounds a little silly if an artifact has a mind of its own and can even raise an army. I wonder what's going to happen when it reaches Luke's era? Will he actually see it himself? Fel agreed to wait while Skywalker investigated, then the Moffs went behind his back again to stage the Ossus Massacre, etc. So then Fel really is a good guy? I guess I was hoping that he would eventually be found to be while not completely evil, still not a very good guy. I'm not a fan of the Empire or Emperors, I will admit. the Sith have huge numbers and rule the galaxy, while it'll take a long while for the Jedi to rebuild. This does not sit well with me. The Jedi always seem to need to "rebuild", which means that they really can't function as they were meant to function in the galaxy. They spend too much time just trying to reestablish themselves over and over and over. This is one of my biggest problems with Legacy. The Jedi shouldn't have been purged yet again, and the galaxy shouldn't be in such chaos. Did Luke, Han, and Leia accomplish absolutely nothing??? The old Republic lasted for over a thousand years or a thousand generations depending on what you're reading, but the New Republic/Galactic Alliance can't even string a couple of decades together. it doesn't really speak well of his power or influence over what was supposed to be his Empire when the Moffs overruled him or ignored him on both the Sith-Imperial and the Ossus Massacre. True! Now, deposed, he has even less influence. But none of that really matters as the Jedi are just preparing for another long rebuilding period to eventually counter Krayt's Sith legions. And what's to keep the Sith from growing ever larger in the meantime? If both groups keep growing, the Jedi will always be far weaker than the Sith. And yeah, uninvited guests showing up with lightsabers drawn really isn't a nice way to show up where they're not welcome, I'd say that's a pretty dumb thing to do! Nat can tell Cade's gotten worse since his stay with the Sith, and so can Shado and Wolf to some degree. I'm really glad I bailed on this series. I can't stand "heroes" who act like villains and who keep getting worse instead of better. Rouge77 : But lots of new Legacy NJO Jedi seem to be around. Well, that's something anyway. I'm sick of hearing that OJO Jedi keep popping out of the framework. COme to think of it, have there been ANY Jedi from Luke's time or Jedi taught by one of Luke's students who have been seen in Legacy? Although whether this Jedi Order in Legacy can be said to be NJO anymore is questionable. It's more closer to OJO. . This is NOT good news to me AT ALL. This means that it's as though Luke never did anything. It's almost as though he never even existed. Everything is back to the way it was during the OJO, and we were led to believe that changes needed to be made, that the OJO had some big flaws. I'm not just sure that the Jedi in the Hidden Temple are safe. That doesn't sound very good! Jedi Ben : Such thinking betrays much about the nature of the IKs, that they're nowhere near as good or pure as they like to believe. I really wonder where John Ostrander is planning to go with the IKs? RK_Striker_JK_5 : That had to be awkward for Luke. It was the body of one of his students! I know....Which is why I find it so disturbing... Where were they? How come Palps couldn't find them? Why didn't they help Luke out? That's what I want to know! I can't imagine that there would be a good enough reason for so many Jedi to be left alive and yet none but Ikrit ever Luke or any new Jedi. I also REALLY want to know why we're not seeing Jaina or Allana or Ben or Corran's kids? If all of these prequel Jedi could survive, why aren't any of these NJO Jedi alive???? Or their children??? Some of these people should have been hiding in the secret Jedi Temple. "... And where were you when Luke was trying to rebuild the Order? The Vong Incursions? JINO?!???" EXACTLY!!! Luke's gonna die. Leia and Han, too. Those prequel Jedi are probably gonna start showing up, too. Sigh I'm very much afraid of all of the above. They're probably off on vacation. Yeah, that's it... Yeah, a 100 year vacation... Let's make sure that stupid Whiphid's getting torched, too! That goes without saying! When the hat goes, he goes! Rouge77 If they can be called NJO Jedi. No, it doesn't sound like they can be called NJO Jedi. At least two of the three members of the Jedi Council are OJO Jedi and they do seem to view it all as one same Order from the pre- Clone Wars days to Legacy. That is really VERY bad news! As I said, it's like Luke never existed at all. Otherwise they seem to be all totally OJO Jedi.
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