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s65horsey Title: EUC Manager SWC Lil' Sis Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 6/28 10:45pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	People think Luke was using dark powers there? I disagree. I think Jaina was, but Luke? Not so much. -----signature----- Sinre's Sey "Dude, when is being whipped bad...ever?" Idk, my bff, Waru! Sometimes Uli's Sey
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 6/29 7:51pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 6/29 7:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ChildOfWinds
	s65horsey People think Luke was using dark powers there? I disagree. I think Jaina was, but Luke? Not so much. As I understand it, the people who have difficulty with Luke's characterization in Invincible don't think he was using dark powers, but was acting in a darkish manner. They say he was too cold, manipulative, and ruthless (allowing the Mandalorians to be the shields instead of the Jedi and Wookiees, and allowing Ben to go on the mission even though he knew Ben would be captured and tortured). They also mention that time when Jaina sees his sort of eyes like suns and he said that it was his responsibility, "Mine, mine, Jedi Solo". I don't know if Jaina was using dark powers, but I didn't like that she stabbed her brother in the stomach and wanted him to die, without waiting for him to defend himself, and without trying to even talk to him, let alone redeem him.
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Rouge77 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 6/30 7:22am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds posted: I don't know if Jaina was using dark powers, but I didn't like that she stabbed her brother in the stomach and wanted him to die, without waiting for him to defend himself, and without trying to even talk to him, let alone redeem him. I agree. If Jacen really died in YV war, like Jaina thought, and never came back, then it's there in Invincible where she herself died. -----signature----- Recipient of the Confederation Ewok with "Rebel Yub"® Action!! Kill Ben Skywalker
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 7/2 6:23pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I'm honestly not enjoying Secret Invasion all that much. Nothing seems to really be happening sadly. I liked during Civil War you constantly had updates. -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 7/2 10:38pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Its a Marvel event, what do you expect? Although WWH had plenty of action, but that was pretty stupid too, come to think of it. Worse yet, this is the guy who wrote Disassembled and House of M, both of which can be summed up as "Wanda goes all-powerful and crazy, and gets rid of the Avengers and mutants". Civil War was pretty stupid too, but at least there were major events happening with each issue, like first the Registration, then the rebellion, then Clor, then the death of some b or c-list hero, then Spiderman defects, then the last two CW issues. Here, the Skrulls have invaded New York and... most of the major Avenger characters are in the Savage Land with maybe Tony Stark the only one with a chance to do something important (the Sentry ran away crying, but that's nothing new), and this is after three issues of a... seven or eight issue mini-series? I'm still almost afraid that in the penultimate issue Wanda shows up, says "no more Skrulls" and then they'll end the series. Though Decimation was partially a joke (remember Iceman?), not that Messiah Complex was much better. Although now he's stuck with the Skrull Queen, although they're still covering her backstory in New Avengers (which is really jumping around), so there might still be some plot twists, but otherwise, it feels like the Avengers series are doing more SI stuff than the SI series itself, which is really kind of sad. Not to mention the same writer is handling all three series so to me it feels more like he's just writing his own private event. I can just see this event ending badly just like most of Marvel's other recent events have. On the Luke in Invincible thing... well, its not so much that Luke's acting dark, there's still a huge gap between Luke and Caedus, both in power and their strategies, its just a bit... unnerving how far this Luke is from farmboy Luke. Not that I mean in any way that Luke should still be acting like a Tatooine farmboy, its just a darker Luke than most of us are used to. It also kinds of hurt that Luke is sidelined from the action for most of the novel. I don't see Luke as acting dark-side-ish at all, its not like he ever kills someone outright, though he's kind of ruthless, but I don't mind seeing Luke winning the war finally. Luke and Caedus were playing a dejarik match, and Caedus didn't even know he was playing a match with Luke, that's how big an advantage Luke had over him. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/4 3:32pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody & Charles, * I'm finding the various tie-ins to be much better than the main series Its a Marvel event, what do you expect? Although WWH had plenty of action, but that was pretty stupid too, come to think of it. * Marvel's events tend to be good for producing books, thus WWH gave us the great Incredible Herc. I'm still almost afraid that in the penultimate issue Wanda shows up, says "no more Skrulls" and then they'll end the series. * Well, I can pretty much guarantee SI won't change as much as people think, but we are getting a project or two that sounds good - the much-delayed Spiderwoman series and a Secret Warriors series with Hickman - if you need proof as to why that's significant, seek out a copy of Pax Romana 1. Though Decimation was partially a joke (remember Iceman?), not that Messiah Complex was much better. * MC I do truly loathe, although some of the developments since then have mitigated its taint to a degree. Not to mention the same writer is handling all three series so to me it feels more like he's just writing his own private event. I can just see this event ending badly just like most of Marvel's other recent events have. * I may be ranting on this after getting the weekly stash, why? Well, I don't want to give it away yet.... -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 7/5 2:15pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Wow looks I haven't been the only one posting lately, where's the love ? This post has been much delayed, I can recall at least 5 times where I wanted to post this on SOS but either didn't have the time or things came up. Most of the reason dealt with moving things and getting settled and my new job leaving me a bit drained. I got to read the (much delayed IMO) Death of Captain America in trade form of course. Sadly volume 3 of Legacy hasn't arrived yet, I'm hoping this will be the week I'll get it. Also (and probably to JB's much joy) I'm still on/off the fence for GL, I gave the 2 trades away but sort of wondering if I'm missing out. Aside of comics I finally got my slim PS2, it has been great to play some old favorites of mine (Brothers In Arms, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Spider-man 2, and Hulk Ultimate Destruction). I'm really looking forward to the Force Unleashed, finally a game that is shaping up pretty well on each console. my review on Death of Captain America I been reading CA since Brubaker caught my attention with the trade Winter Soldier 2 years ago, while I was looking for more fantasy and less realistic comics at the time I do have to say that Brubaker brings a very Tom Clancy/Robert Ludlum mood to the book which is great for Captain America and very ideal in these modern times and now after 5 volumes (in trades) we finally reach to the mega arc that Brubaker and Epting have been cultivating. Despite the general consenus of the fans Brubaker always went the other way and made his story more promising for it, He brought back Bucky when fans didn't want it, He killed off Red Skull when fans didn't want it, and finally he kills off the title's main character and yet manages to keep the story just as entertaining. The story starts off as a synopsis of Civil War and Steve's life that any Cap fan woud know. Cap is being escorted to a public hearing and this is where the hit is made. The consequences on the friends of the Captain leave them utterly depressed, but the evil of Skull lurks on and his plan is starting to swing in full motion. The Good -despite Cap being in so little of the book before his doom, it's great to see him die as a hero and save someone's life when he took Crossbones bullet.(though in the comics we seen Cap shot in the head and come back like it was a bruise so I'm interested how Brubaker is going to work him back) -then surprise twist on who actually shot Cap, -the supporting cast, James, Sam, Sharon, Nick, and Tony make their way as the central characters particulary the primary three. -Skull/Lukin seeing them interacting their new situation while in league with Zola and Faustus. -through the characters there is a feeling that Cap is alive in them -pencils are gorgeous as ever and fit well with the realistic tone and mood for the book. The Bad -they kill off steve 9/10 JB * I'm finding the various tie-ins to be much better than the main series The Avengers books are getting the star treatment being written by Bendis and I hear Captain Britain is also doing well, might become the SI Frontline book in trade. * Marvel's events tend to be good for producing books, thus WWH gave us the great Incredible Herc. and Loeb's Hulk * Well, I can pretty much guarantee SI won't change as much as people think, but we are getting a project or two that sounds good - the much-delayed Spiderwoman series and a Secret Warriors series with Hickman - if you need proof as to why that's significant, seek out a copy of Pax Romana 1. what I want to know is what's going to be the status quo of the Avengers, will Bucky, Thor and IM horde the whole Avenger roster ? what happen to the victims of SI ? and what's tobe made of the whole registration issue ? also what's Bendis plan after this ? * #38 covers the Cages' relationship and is reasonably well done but Bendis has to get these two back together or there'll be one hell of a crapstorm. #39 is a SI prelude. After that the stories are SI-linked and are working very well. They function as flashbacks showing what has been done and why. Bendis has a chance to turn the title around here. But it's not like they voluntarly split up, The Hood invading the manison force their hand, or does Bendis add more to the story ? Glad to hear that the tie-in issues are actually doing well, I know that NA and MA will definitely benefit the most coming from the main writer, but what do you see after this crossover event has concluded ? where will be 616 status quo ? * It's one of those things that's common place in comics but if it was to be suggested there was a nasty, exploitative edge to the sequence that editorial should have picked up, it becomes fairly obvious. wouldn't have fare well for an A rating, plus it's not the style of New Avengers(crazy hardcore stuff), but if he can achieve a dark moment like Busiek's arc where the Avengers witness poor Jarvis getting beaten on then we have something that balances off as serious and not too extreme for NA. * That and more, it's an excellent tale. he sure scare Dr.Orpheus.....I mean Strange. * Fraction is one of Marvel's best right now with both Iron Man and Thor. I agree Bendis' Daredevil was excellent but I don't think he's going to be that good again, the one title he remains consistently good on is Ultimate Spidey which I'm now following in HC. getting more bang for yur buck with the Bendis Spidey tales, if u enjoy Ultimate Spidey then u should take a look at the Spectacular Spider-man series defintely the best SPIDER-MAN animated series there is. have yet to get GLX * But you have GLA? no but I will get both sumtime. In Death of CA, Tony pours his heart out when his friend passed away. In NA I feel they're missing the big picture that I feel Steve could have drawn out for them. * Ah, Civil War: The Confession. is that what's it called, I thought since being right after CW it would had been titled somthing else. why did they axed the Knaufs ? * Haven't the faintest, dumb move though. they also didn' advertise it that well either. it's a mini right ? * Eh? You were asking about Bru's Cap run, weren't you? no the Man with No Name comic, does it catch the Segio Leone style ? * KOTOR is excellent, the first story sets the scene well with great characters and comedy amidst tragedy, but it's after that it kicks into high gear. it's pretty cool and unique that they portray these zealot like jedi masters as the bad guy with their own vision of the DS. I might have to take a look. * Yeah, I think both companies have picked up on the fact that fans are tiring of these. DC is finishing off its mega-arc of the last 4 years with Final Crisis; if they're smart Marvel will do likewise with SI. I dunno, I thought I heard Brevoort or Bendis mentioned about another main event.... * In terms of NA Dissassembled: The weakest two were Sentry and Stark, neither really sold their positions where the Cap, Spider-woman and Cage ones were very effective. I meant as the whole NA series from issue #1 to it's current issue. Nobody The Sentry's mainly a waste of space, though its kind of funny how they wrote him out Secret Invasion because of his mental problems, that's the general consensus. The Hand of Thrawn Duology really was a good set of books. I still think of it as the definitive Star Wars books, even if just about everything that's happened in those books has been cancelled out or rendered non-relevant, except for the official end of the Galactic Civil War (and in the current EU, the galaxy's ready to tear itself apart at the drop of a hat, so the GCW seems really tame by comparison these days). Still, two very good books. I'd reread them more often, but I get too depressed by knowing how many things end up. at first I felt the Zahn novels weren't more than overrated works of SW EU, but I was proven wrong after reading the previous 3 books and Survivor's Quest. and Hand of Thrawn is playing out nicely. Ah, Darksaber, I used to read that book a lot. I know KJA's not the most popular author, but at least he got rid of Callista. Although it was nice to have a somewhat steady girlfriend for Luke at least for a little while, though it seems kind of... icky that she's in the hot body of one of Luke's students, but at least she wasn't lying to him from the start, unlike that annoying Fallanasi. I don't remember Mara doing too much in that book, but there was this one nice scene where Mara and Callista just had a little chat, and Callista asked if Mara had any interest in Luke, given the past stories about Mara, and that both Mara and Callista were the same physical age, and Mara just waves it off as she wanted to kill Luke originally, but got over it. I miss KJA though, in DarkSaber despite other fans gripes you couldn't denied u were in the GFFA. plus I loved the jedi portrayals. which there was more of a balance between his force portrayals and Zahn's. I don't really think there was any romance between the two at that point, but from Mara's introduction in the Thrawn Trilogy onwards, there was always some potential, in that Mara can't help but respect Luke, farmboy that he is, and from Luke's poitn of view, Mara's a very decent and pragmatic person, and Force sensitive too, and very attractive on top of all that, a nice counterpoint to Luke's idealism. It started out so nicely, and endured through NJO, and yet it ended so horribly. Then again, the describes a lot of EU these days too. I think after all that you could interpert as admiration or just friendship in DS, I'm not arguing that it wasn't till visions where they hooked up. RK Cool. Hope this one sticks for you, then. thanks Saw a bit of it on a Saturday morning, and liked it, yeah. told you would, the creators have DC animated dreams for the series that I'm looking forward to, think of Spidey going through HS, then College, then becoming an adult while the series gets more mature. thanks, but a little bit too late for that. Some glass from a cupboard fell. o well no biggie. Ah, that sucks. Good thing it asn't too big, though. actually now my father converted it to a bookcase now. where's it at man ? i give it a 8 out of 10, it's my 3rd favorite out of the series. LOL, sorry. At the end of this post. that's ok, what did you think of the ET element there ? I agree, although I'm not too much of a completist-ST series and Classics transformers excluded. And yeah, the prequels at least had sizzle to them and some substance. I say ROTS did payoff from the first 2 movies, but otherwise it wasn't as memorable or beloved as Jedi was. that's funny Mara in a beauty pageant...somehow I picture her gutting someone than attend one of those. She was under orders by Palps to infiltrate. Have you read it? yup I enjoy the part where Mara thinks Luke is cute in her thoughts then goes back to misson mode. funny fanfiction. "Mara nearly jumped out of her skin when she heard the voice. She gritted her teeth and slowly turned her head to see…him. Luke Skywalker. The slayer of the Death Star and rallying point for the insurgents. He’s kinda cute, actually." thanks for the link man, it's pretty good. Ah, you have read it! Glad you liked it. We were going for zany, but still 'them', you know? it was hilarious. looking forward to volume 3 the only thing that's keep SW alive to me. I just picked up a Kir Kanos/Carnor Jax action figure 2-pack. I need more! I supposedly hear Diamond select is doing some SW figures in a bunch of scales and jedi Luke is suppose to be one of the figures. perhaps they could have left Venom for the next movie, but fans would have thrown a fit. Sandman belive or not is hail to be a wonderful CGI effect, and I like the character's struggle. the actor was from Wings, I miss that show. I wouldn't have thrown a fit. Leave him for the next and focus more on the other two. And yeah, that was a good comedy. Although I liked Cheers better. I was always a Frasier man myself. true, but I could see Venom coming back, I remember IGN mentioned one character would be coming back that died....and I believe Harry will stay in his coffin. It'd be very cheap to bring him back after how he died. although he and Spidey made one hell of a team. well they always did that thing in the comics, my idea is he wouldn't come back as the Venom in 3, but since Eddie's body was destroyed while the Symboite embraced with him, you have his consicenous fused to the suit and slowly rebuilds in the course of the 2 movies, then by the third he is the ultimate villain, also for the new movies I want a more mature tone like Nolan's Batman. you know I was thinking about that, stop releasing Movie figures for half a year and make some EU figures, I been waiting for a jedi master figure of Luke for some time, in black robes. also why don't they release them in 6 inches ? I mean it's not that big of a stretch right ? No, it's not. And yeah, SW is missing out on some major money by not doing more EU figures. I wouldn't stop the movie figures, but scale back their production and ramp standards up to GI Joe figures, at least. or a decent 6" scale u know ? i won't but I second what C said And I third it. we have fun here. I loved it. A rollicking good time, action and adventure. It's good that Harrison Ford's age isn't ignored, and that yes, he thinks it was closer. Shia did a great job as Indy's son Mutt. And the continuity was great, too. Seeing him and Marion at the end, and the hat rolling to Mutt... great. The only part I didn't like was the infamous nuke scene. Altrhough it does establish Indy as functionally immortal. Maybe residual power from the Grail? Still, not enough to drag it down. Definitely my favorite Indy movie now. how does a lead refridge become the ultimate fallout shelter ? Child LOL! Well, as long as you still have the heart of a Jedi, all is well. i do have sum bit of a dark side....not big think whiny Anakin before he slaughter the Sand People tribe, but more mature. I don't know if you can say wearing the overalls that she seemed to be wearing was exactly "dolling herself up for Luke", but she did take a bath before he arrived. lol, well it's odd that waiting for Luke's rescue that she should as happen to take a bath, unless she was keeping up with the women mystique. Finding your local library should be a priority, and not just for SW books! yeah I know, it's sad that I only know the one from the other town. Legacy Volume 3 comes out this week, which I'm looking forward to. Have you read it? haven't bought it yet, I know the spoiler but looking forwrd to Ostrander's work I haven't actually written a review on the whole book yet, though I've said plenty about Luke in the SOS thread. He is definitely portrayed as powerful. Unfortunately, we didn't see anything from Luke's perspective, so that makes some people think that Luke is "cold" in this book. I thought he was very much the Jedi Grand Master. powerful is a plus, no Luke perspective is a minus, what do you generally think of this book ? does it redeem the series ? I didn't like that they did use the excuse that Luke would go dark if he faced Jacen as the reason that Luke didn't confront his nephew. a weak excuse, but I like that Luke would go to such great depths to avoid the DS. I'm not happy that Jaina killed her brother, and I especially don't like that Jaina didn't even try to redeem Jacen, and she didn't even talk to him during the two duels. i hear Jacen is lost in DS craziness, which is one of the reasons. I hate that Daala is now CoS, but I liked Ben's role in the book. He's carrying on his father's legacy: He already redeemed a Sith: Tahiri. that is plain weird, heck even Han and Leia don't have a problem with it. it's sad though Pelleon had to go(i was hoping for old age to be his death), but I certaintly didn't want the fishy woman to be the CoS. Yay for Ben, maybe just myabe he'll be ok. Yes, I was disappointed too. But I do like the way Luceno writes Luke, so I'm hoping he'll give us a good Luke characterization and role. you mean Stover don't you ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/5 3:02pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 7/5 3:02pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RK_Striker_JK_5
	Kev-Mas_Colcha: And apparently you don't know the difference from right or wrong. Just because they are Sith, and an Empire, doesn't mean they are evil and you have to kill them. They could be doing the Galaxy a favor, you never know until you actually LOOK and SEE what is going on before you cry Rebellion. AH... the Sith are evil. That's pretty much the SW definition of them. That's the RL definition of them. Sith=evil, corrupted by the Dark Side of the Force. Rouge77: No actual survivors from the novels, sorry, I just meant NJO Jedi from the Legacy comic era instead of OJO survivors - and wasn't clear enough about this. Oh, okay... thanks, then. Sigh That's so freakin' stupid. s65Horsey: How are the Luke fans doing? I've missed quite a bit over the last several weeks with trying to figure out my life, graduating, and going to a conference but I'm settling down a bit now. I have a direction which is nice. Sounds nice, dudette. A direction is always good, there. Jedi Ben: I wasn't impressed with Megatron Origin, but Devastation is indeed excellent, wait until you see what follows it... I just liked that his first kill, he was horrified by it. "NO, nononono..." And of course, who he killed in the Arena. Is it just me, or is Megatron being... anti-villianed lately? In both DW and IDW, he had legit reasons it seems for the Great War. I'm not sure I like that... Unfortunately, I'm reappraising my interest in All Hail Megatron as it's now been said the reason for the 'cons running wild on Earth is explained in that story and isn't linked to the Grassus 9 outbreak. On the one hand I can see the rationale, a free-standing story etc but on the other, I've since heard it seems Furman may have been on the receiving end of some office politics, which would explain the sharp turn IDW's Transformers has taken. Problem being is I'm buying this for Furman, not anyone else, still there's still 3 parts of Revelation and later there's Maximum Dinobots. Oh, how nice... You hear they've done a Wheelie spotlight, right? ChildOfWinds: I'm doing well, Horsey! Thanks for asking! I'm enjoying the summer break from my first graders. Congratulations on your graduation and good luck in your future endeavors! Hope you're having a nice Summer, dudette. I know....Which is why I find it so disturbing... The only person I'd want Luke to be with besides Mara would be Tionne. Three little letters stated me on that 'ship... and SW in general, actually. That's what I* want to know! I can't imagine that there would be a good enough reason for so many Jedi to be left alive and yet none but Ikrit ever Luke or any new Jedi.* When they show up... awkward... I also REALLY want to know why we're not seeing Jaina or Allana or Ben or Corran's kids? If all of these prequel Jedi could survive, why aren't any of these NJO Jedi alive???? Or their children??? Some of these people should have been hiding in the secret Jedi Temple. It'd be nice, yeah. I have little/no interest in Crunchy or the plant lady. Or Hett, for that matter. It's illogical that they're alive and the others arent'. Well, they have been hiding, so I guess it makes sense. "... And where were you when Luke was trying to rebuild the Order? The Vong Incursions? JINO?!???" EXACTLY!!! If it's not in profic, then dammit, I'll write it! Let's make sure that stupid Whiphid's getting torched, too! That goes without saying! When the hat goes, he goes! Been a long time coming for the fleabag! MasterSkywalker86: Wow looks I haven't been the only one posting lately, where's the love ? This post has been much delayed, I can recall at least 5 times where I wanted to post this on SOS but either didn't have the time or things came up. LOL. Same here, dude. RL and other stuff's been coming up badly. Most of the reason dealt with moving things and getting settled and my new job leaving me a bit drained. Are you fully settled now? told you would, the creators have DC animated dreams for the series that I'm looking forward to, think of Spidey going through HS, then College, then becoming an adult while the series gets more mature. That would bo good to see. The DCAU was one of the pinnacles of fiction, and it'd be nice if this series could reach for that. that's ok, what did you think of the ET element there ? I didn't mind it, and since it took place in the 50's, it sorta made sense there to 'move on', so to speak. Besides, once you do the Holy Grail, what would be left, the Lance of Longius(sp)? I say ROTS did payoff from the first 2 movies, but otherwise it wasn't as memorable or beloved as Jedi was. Yeah. It was good, but not good enough, considering what came before... "I don't like sand..." Sends Flint Marko over to 'play' with Anakin yup I enjoy the part where Mara thinks Luke is cute in her thoughts then goes back to misson mode. funny fanfiction. "Mara nearly jumped out of her skin when she heard the voice. She gritted her teeth and slowly turned her head to see…him. Luke Skywalker. The slayer of the Death Star and rallying point for the insurgents. He’s kinda cute, actually." Thanks. We're halfway done with a sequel, but due to other stuff, it's been delayed quite a bit. I supposedly hear Diamond select is doing some SW figures in a bunch of scales and jedi Luke is suppose to be one of the figures. I'd buy those! I wouldn't have thrown a fit. Leave him for the next and focus more on the other two. And yeah, that was a good comedy. Although I liked Cheers better. I was always a Frasier man myself. I saw the first few seasons of that. I wonder if Niles ever married Daphne... well they always did that thing in the comics, my idea is he wouldn't come back as the Venom in 3, but since Eddie's body was destroyed while the Symboite embraced with him, you have his consicenous fused to the suit and slowly rebuilds in the course of the 2 movies, then by the third he is the ultimate villain, also for the new movies I want a more mature tone like Nolan's Batman. That... might work. I could see them doing that, or something like that. No, it's not. And yeah, SW is missing out on some major money by not doing more EU figures. I wouldn't stop the movie figures, but scale back their production and ramp standards up to GI Joe figures, at least. or a decent 6" scale u know ? Yeah! It's so pathetic, how tiny and unposeable most of them are. how does a lead refridge become the ultimate fallout shelter ? It wasn't the fridge. It was the Fedora, the real freakin' sweet hat. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. 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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/5 3:18pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK, * I've recently read DSN: Fearful Symmetry, have you? Is it just me, or is Megatron being... anti-villianed lately? In both DW and IDW, he had legit reasons it seems for the Great War. I'm not sure I like that... * You can have all the good reasons in the world and still be a complete bastard, people seem to have difficulty comprehending this simple concept, thus: "Evidence?" "Evidence? He wants evidence?" * I give you the perfect example: Skrain Dukat. Oh, how nice... You hear they've done a Wheelie spotlight, right? * Contrary to what everyone expected, the Wheelie spotlight was damn cool. Elsewhere - Revelations is go! MS86, The Avengers books are getting the star treatment being written by Bendis and I hear Captain Britain is also doing well, might become the SI Frontline book in trade. * Captain Britain is absolutely great! Frontline books I do not touch due to the horror that was the CW series. and Loeb's Hulk * You have to be selective, y'know? what I want to know is what's going to be the status quo of the Avengers, will Bucky, Thor and IM horde the whole Avenger roster ? what happen to the victims of SI ? and what's tobe made of the whole registration issue ? also what's Bendis plan after this ? * Doubtful, Bendis made some comments that the next, post-SI arc would be darker. I don't expect the whole registration angle to vanish. But it's not like they voluntarly split up, The Hood invading the manison force their hand, or does Bendis add more to the story ? Glad to hear that the tie-in issues are actually doing well, I know that NA and MA will definitely benefit the most coming from the main writer, but what do you see after this crossover event has concluded ? where will be 616 status quo ? * I have a feeling there won't be as big an impact as people expect somehow. I don't think the teams will actually change as a result. wouldn't have fare well for an A rating, plus it's not the style of New Avengers(crazy hardcore stuff), but if he can achieve a dark moment like Busiek's arc where the Avengers witness poor Jarvis getting beaten on then we have something that balances off as serious and not too extreme for NA. * Hmm, which arc is that? I know of Avengers Under Siege by Roger Stern and that is well worth tracking down. no the Man with No Name comic, does it catch the Segio Leone style ? * Ah, I see. Got the second issue and it's extremely good, a great example of writing being well matched to art. It's also now an ongoing. it's pretty cool and unique that they portray these zealot like jedi masters as the bad guy with their own vision of the DS. I might have to take a look. * This initial arc is now coming to a conclusion too. I dunno, I thought I heard Brevoort or Bendis mentioned about another main event.... * I've been hearing similar of a villain alliance and happening next year. Of the two companies, I'd see DC as having a chance to turn things around and steal readers from Marvel due to them burning people out with too many events. Long term DC have more limited-scale character arcs planned now. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/6 9:33pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 : its just a bit... unnerving how far this Luke is from farmboy Luke. As JK Dart says, Denning doesn't seem to "get" Luke. As I said in Lit, Denning sometimes gets the Jedi Grandmaster part right, but he doesn't seem to understand that the compassionate Farmboy is an important part of Luke too. I think Denning's Luke characterizations always tend to be a little darkish and cold. I agree that it also hurts that Luke was sidelined from the action for most of the book, and that we got nothing from Luke's point of view. Luke and Caedus were playing a dejarik match, and Caedus didn't even know he was playing a match with Luke, that's how big an advantage Luke had over him. It was pretty amazing. MasterSkywalker86 : Welcome back, MS! at first I felt the Zahn novels weren't more than overrated works of SW EU, but I was proven wrong after reading the previous 3 books and Survivor's Quest. and Hand of Thrawn is playing out nicely. I'm glad that you changed your mind about the Zahn books. Especially after reading Del Rey's drivel, the Zahn novels are great reads. Did you ever read Outbound Flight, MS? If not, you should. All of the questions that were raised in Survivor's Quest are answered in Outbound Flight. It's really rather fun to read the book knowing that Luke and Mara will be aboard the ship later. I miss KJA though, Again, after the NJO, DN, and LotF, even KJA's books begin to look like great literature. Plus, Dart loves the sort of messianic Luke in the Jedi Academy trilogy. lol, well it's odd that waiting for Luke's rescue that she should as happen to take a bath, I think she wanted to look her best under the circumstances when Luke arrived, and she wanted to get rid of the dirt, grime, and smell of the time she had spent in the cave before he arrived. Legacy Volume 3 comes out this week, which I'm looking forward to. Have you read it? I read some of the Legacy issues, but I stopped in the middle of what would be VOlume 3, I think because of an incident which was the last straw for me. I won't mention it so I don't spoil it in case you don't know about this particular thing. So, I've read part of volume 3. powerful is a plus, no Luke perspective is a minus, what do you generally think of this book ? does it redeem the series ? Definitely NOT. Why would I want to see Han and Leia's last son killed by his sister? And Jaina was willing to kill him without waiting for him to defend himself. SHe put her lightsaber into his stomach before he even knew she was there. And there was almost NO dialogue between them. Jaina never even spoke to her brother, let alone tried to redeem him. Her only words were something like, "Die already!" And Jaina shouldn't have faced Jacen. She wasn't even a major player until two books ago. It should have been Luke or Ben who confronted Jacen and tried to redeem him before killing him, I think. a weak excuse, but I like that Luke would go to such great depths to avoid the DS. I guess that's one way of looking at it. But I hated having Saba, who loves to hunt, which means she loves to KILL, declare that Luke was "tainted". Sheesh! Who is she to judge. Plus, Luke killed Lumiya three months before. Why didn't she say something sooner? Besides, at the end of Revelation, Luke saw Mara as a Force ghost. I would think that would make him happy and secure in the knowledge that she was okay and that they would be together again one day. I can't imagine him killing Jacen for revenge after that. i hear Jacen is lost in DS craziness, which is one of the reasons. He doesn't even seem as crazy in Invincible as he was in earlier books, I didn't think. Yes, I was disappointed too. But I do like the way Luceno writes Luke, so I'm hoping he'll give us a good Luke characterization and role. you mean Stover don't you ? No, I mean Luceno. Stover hasn't even written Luke in anything else before. Didn't you hear? there is going to be a book called Millennium Falcon by Luceno. It's supposed to take place two years after Invincible, and it will change places with Stover's book, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor. MF will now come out in October, and Stover's book will come out in late December, right after Christmas. RK_Striker_JK_5 : Rouge77: No actual survivors from the novels, sorry, I just meant NJO Jedi from the Legacy comic era instead of OJO survivors - and wasn't clear enough about this. Oh, okay... thanks, then. Sigh That's so freakin' stupid. I agree. Why should there be Old Jedi Order Jedi but no Jedi from Luke's era? ! Hope you're having a nice Summer, dudette. Thanks! I am! I just had a nice visit with my brother's family. They came from Maryland for a few days. The only person I'd want Luke to be with besides Mara would be Tionne. Three little letters stated me on that 'ship... and SW in general, actually. What three letters? It'd be nice, yeah. I have little/no interest in Crunchy or the plant lady. Or Hett, for that matter. It's illogical that they're alive and the others arent'. Well, they have been hiding, so I guess it makes sense. So why haven't Jedi from Luke's era been hiding? What happened to all of them?
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/9 8:04pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Stars! Where is everyone? It surely is quiet in here.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/10 10:58am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Yep, my usual partners are absent. Well, October solicits for Dark Horse... In Legacy, Cade has teamed up with Celeste Morne to assassinate Krayt while in KOTOR the Covenant is riven as the real leader behind it is revealed - looks likely Zayne's framing will be dealt with in this arc. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/10 8:02pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben In Legacy, Cade has teamed up with Celeste Morne to assassinate Krayt I haven't read the Vector story yet. Is this the woman from Vector? She's still alive in Cade's time???? HOW?????? So he couldn't get the Jedi to do his bidding so now Cade is using a 4,000 year old woman to give him a hand??? while in KOTOR the Covenant is riven as the real leader behind it is revealed Do you know who the real leader is yet? If so, can you PM me the answer please? - looks likely Zayne's framing will be dealt with in this arc. Do you think that means that Zayne will be exonerated and won't need to be on the run anymore?
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 7/11 1:49pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I haven't read the Vector story yet. Is this the woman from Vector? She's still alive in Cade's time???? HOW?????? * Suspended animation. Can give you more details if you wish. So he couldn't get the Jedi to do his bidding so now Cade is using a 4,000 year old woman to give him a hand??? * A 4,000 year old Jedi who is fighting Sith possession courtesy of the Muur Talisman. BUt the Jedi viewpoint isn't necessarily wrong here for consider: * The Jedi have limited resources and are unable to defeat the Sith in open war. Cade proposes assassinating Krayt on the basis it will trigger a Sith Civil War, the point the Jedi are asking is: What if it doesn't? If the Sith show themselves to be utterly differnt to their predecessors, then the work to kill Krayt will be wasted. * I also quite like the idea that this time the galaxy has screwed itself over so utterly as to render the Jedi unable to help it, that unlike numerous previous occasions where the Jedi have saved the galaxy and hoped it would grow up, only for it to screw up and demand help which they then give, this time it's gone way too far and a lesson needs to be learned. Do you know who the real leader is yet? If so, can you PM me the answer please? * Given the covers of 33 and 34 - it looks to be Haazen. Do you think that means that Zayne will be exonerated and won't need to be on the run anymore? * Yep, it's not as if KOTOR doesn't have a ton of other plots to follow. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/11 3:12pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi_Ben: * I've recently read DSN: Fearful Symmetry, have you? Just got it yesterday, actually. Haven't had a chance to start it, but will tomorrow probably. Looks... interesting. In a good way, mind you. * You can have all the good reasons in the world and still be a complete bastard, people seem to have difficulty comprehending this simple concept, thus: "Evidence?" "Evidence? He wants evidence?" * I give you the perfect example: Skrain Dukat. Yeah, I know. Although I wish the Autobots Council wasn't a bunch of bastards in DW and Sentinel a tool in IDW. * Contrary to what everyone expected, the Wheelie spotlight was damn cool. Elsewhere - Revelations is go! lol, that's what I heard, too. ChildOfWinds: As JK Dart says, Denning doesn't seem to "get" Luke. As I said in Lit, Denning sometimes gets the Jedi Grandmaster part right, but he doesn't seem to understand that the compassionate Farmboy is an important part of Luke too. I think Denning's Luke characterizations always tend to be a little darkish and cold. Denning didn't get a lot of stuff about SW. RE: Star By Str, the DNT, Tatooine Ghost... Again, after the NJO, DN, and LotF, even KJA's books begin to look like great literature. Plus, Dart loves the sort of messianic Luke in the Jedi Academy trilogy. ... Am I the only person who liked the JAT for what it was, and not in comparison to the Trilogy of Suck? agree. Why should there be Old Jedi Order Jedi but no Jedi from Luke's era? I've heard the theory of 'pet characters' used, but thats OOU, not IU. And it's a poor excuse nonetheless. Thanks! I am! I just had a nice visit with my brother's family. They came from Maryland for a few days. Nice. Family visiting is always cool. The only person I'd want Luke to be with besides Mara would be Tionne. Three little letters stated me on that 'ship... and SW in general, actually. What three letters? The YJK. I read those before the Thrawn Trilogy... before finishing the OT. Without those, I wouldn't be on these boards... or possibly alive. Stars! Where is everyone? It surely is quiet in here. Real Life's been busy, sorry. Igot a promotion at work and inventory's coming up-that's where we get everything ready so a company called RGis can come in and count every piece of merchandice in the store. I work at a Walmart, so... yeah. I also bought Legacy 3. Looks interesting from the scan-through. Still waiting for good SW figures, too. And EU figures as well. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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