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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/31 3:32pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	* Heh, it happens! I'll try and cathc up a bit. * Why do I have the feeling some of them will be a case of: You thought he was a hard bastar before? Watch this.... Yeah. As mind-shatteringly hard as it is to conceive, Benjamin Lafayette Sisko can be more awesome. It just tends to implode the universe he exists in... In all seriousness, if they ever did do a series on those guys, I'd buy it. Especially the hero of Wolf 359. * Go one better, have them engage the Vong: "I was alone against 10 biotech warriors, without any support and I killed them all! One by shoving his organic armour up his backside into his stomach! The other I impaled on his own weapon..." * And Klag goes on...and on...and on... Ah, sorry. Already had Q teleport the entire Vong species into the path of a hungry Unicron. Should I change that? * I have but one retort: Read Death Star and then say it's destruction doesn't matter, regardless of what happens 100, 1000 or 10,000 years hence the victory will remain inviolable. Buy a Del Rey book? Me, the leader of the 'Boycot Del Rey' movement? * Nice yeah, but Legacy already has one of the largest casts I know of in comics, I doubt it has the room for more, better to bring them in as one tradition falls. Would've been nicer for them to be there from the beginning, but you do have a good point there. I just really hate that Whiphid. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 7/31 8:09pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	After SDCC, I'm a little interested in Flash: Rebirth. I don't think think the Flash series is as badly in need of a reboot as the GL franchise was after several years of Hal as Parallax and the GL Corp being mostly extinguished, but its being written by Johns, so that's a good sign. Didn't pay that much attention to SDCC otherwise, E3 interested me a lot more. And as for the Mara Force ghost thing... well, let's just say that while Force ghosting has never been all that clear a subject or technique in Star Wars, LotF's attempts at Force ghosts was ridiculous, but a lot things were stupid. Mara plays charades with Ben to help Ben's investigation (since Ben feels he needs solid, empirical proof, to absolutely prove that Jacen killed his mother), none of which really helps the plot any since at the end Caedus just announces he killed Mara on tape (though he didn't know he was being recorded, but still), and apparently Luke only meets Mara while dreaming, so the encounter isn't seen, at all. Though that might be a good thing, as otherwise, Mara might've told Luke to train Ben by sending him to the Mandalorians. A third of LotF was pretty much like that, so the less Luke written by that author, the less damage. And yeah, it just shows how bad LotF was that a sarcastic response nails it somewhat accurately. Yeah, the Gorkon books are pretty good. Its somewhat... refreshing not to have everything mired in Starfleet ethics. I know ehtics are supposed to be good and all, but sometimes its really nice to just shoot and not bother asking questions. Although on the TNG front, I think they're going a bit overboard on the Borg thing recently (not to mention that idiotic Before Dishonor book, ugh, never leave a ship for study). I just wish I had more time to read Star Trek. And while DS9 quality hasn't dropped, having books come out more than once every few years (especially very short books that don't really push the plot forward that much) would be really helpful. And heh, if the Yuuzhan Vong saw Unicron, that would throw them into a frenzy. Though ooh, yeah, Alpha Trion as one of the first 13 Transformers would be awesome. Wouldn't mind seeing what an unholy Fallen would look like, before he was set on fire and all. Although come to think of it, I wonder if they would throw Vector Prime in. There have been comics I think portraying Vector Prime as one of the first ancient Transformers, though not sure if those comics were ever finished. I just hope the 13 don't turn out to be too dysfunctional (since in the IDWverse, Cybertron pre-civil war didn't seem that nice a place, based on that Megatron origin story and given how Nova Prime... ended up) and that Primus and Unicorn was involved. IDW hasn't touched either of those Transformer gods yet, but an origin of the Transformers race should be very interesting. War Within barely touched on some aspects of that (not to mention, it was nice to see the Autobots and Decepticons fighting against a common enemy), but of course, like the rest of the DW series, it won't ever be resolved, probably. Although the thing I regretted most about DW imploding is that I sorta wish we could've had a Rodimus Prime appearance some day, especially with how Hot Rod and the Matrix storylines were sorta moving. That MTMTE bio was interesting. I just wish I had bought the MTMTE issues/TPBs when they were still in print. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 7/31 9:24pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 : Unfortunately, with the state the Legacy galaxy is in, drastic measures are usually needed. And isn't it sad that after all of the struggles of Luke, Leia, Han, and their contemporaries that the galaxy IS such a huge mess??? And CoW, come on, when the Legacy comics started, the YV War was the latest chronological work, No, actually DN was. And not very much has been said about Jacen/Caedus even now. With Sue Rostoni knowing everything that was happening in both series, it doesn't make much sense that everything except he Vong war is ignored. some people have long memories, especially given how brutal the YV War was. True, but almost none of those people would still be alive, would they? Its not that big of a problem. Oh, forget it, I know you hate just about everything about the Legacy comic, so never mind. It's true that I'm not a big fan of Legacy. Despite my initial bad reaction to it before the first issue was even published, I honestly gave the series a chance, but after that Talon/Cade encounter, I had seen more than enough. And now hearing about more Prequel Jedi showing up and about 2 out of 3 of the Jedi COuncil members being prequel Jedi, AND about Marasiah not being as noble as I thought she was, I'm glad I didn't continue reading Legacy. I'm not a fan of the NJO, DN, or LotF either. But I kept hoping that something better would come along in the novels, because I really want to see good things happen to the good people that are Luke, Leia, and Han. I wanted to see them have a happy ending and leave a lasting legacy. Legacy ensures that's not going to happen, and that DOES bother me. I will also say that I truly do prefer reading novels to comic books. There's a whole lot more "meat" to them, and in comic books, I'm sometimes not quite sure exactly what happened by looking at the pictures and with the small amount of text that's in comic books. To JB: Jedi Ben * All right then, when have you ever seen the notion that Legacy doesn't restrict stories? I've seen the authors and fans of Legacy claim that Legacy doesn't infringe on Del Rey or on Luke's Legacy, and I happen to disagree about both, as you well know. I know that you don't care about that because you're not reading them anymore, but since I still want good things to happen for Luke, Leia, Han, and their kids, I don't like that Legacy makes their future hopeless. * If Legacy ends with the Sith or Fel ruling the galaxy as dictators, then it's hopeless but it's far from played out. What does that have to do with good things happening for Luke, Leia, Han, and their kids though, JB? How does how Legacy ends have anything to do with Legacy making their future hopeless. If Legacy ends well, that's all well and good for the LEGACY characters. Legacy ending well doesn't impact Han, Luke, Leia, or their kids at all. It's a whole different era and a whole different set of characters. * The greater good is whatever benefits the Emperor. That the IKs are so insecure that they have to resort to death penalties says much about just how established they really are. Well, right now they DO have thousands of Sith to worry about, it's true! * I think the history of NJO has much to do with this, there DHC was ready to work with DR and it all went sour. Get fooled once.... But now DH is not playing nicely. Del Rey seems almost falling over themselves trying to accommodate DH. And it's not Del Rey that's really being hurt by DH not connecting things. It's the fans, who would like to see a cohesive continuity and who would like to see some more characters that were taught in the NJO tradition instead of seeing more PT Jedi. RK_Striker_JK_5 Dang, a badass Luke? Who would've thunk it? It WAS a good scene! Hmm, sometimes when I tell that little tidbit of my life, I admit to expecting someone to make fun of me and mock me. Shrug Well, no one should. I'm glad you found something that helped you during the worst time of your life. Escaping to another galaxy where there was hope and there were endless possibilities makes sense to me. It'd be nice if we saw some of Luke's Jedi, along with his tradition, though. It certainly would be! Jedi Ben : Nice yeah, but Legacy already has one of the largest casts I know of in comics, I doubt it has the room for more, better to bring them in as one tradition falls.* So certain are you??? What if Jedi of Luke's tradition aren't brought in? What if the PT tradition doesn't fall? What if more PT Jedi show up? There's not guarantee that Luke's tradition will triumph. They COULD be permanently going back to the prequel traditions. And you aid that Legacy already has a large cast. Why couldn't we have had Luke tradition Jedi, why couldn't we have had Ben or Allana or one of their children instead of KK or the tree Jedi? I'm with Striker. I really hat that Whiphid too! Nobody145 let's just say that LotF's attempts at Force ghosts was ridiculous, but a lot things were stupid. We are definitely in agreement about that! Mara plays charades with Ben LOL! True! AND, as you said, Ben's information was basically unnecessary anyway since Jacen himself announced on tape that he had killed Mara. and apparently Luke only meets Mara while dreaming, so the encounter isn't seen, at all. I don't think Luke was dreaming, though he saw her late at night. In fact, Ben started to go into his father's tent to see his mother too, but decided that this was his father's special moment, so he didn't barge in. We heard that Luke saw Mara through Ben's perspective, and since he didn't go in to chat with them, we missed that whole encounter. I REALLY wish we'd get more from Luke's perspective. His POV isn't seen often enough, in my opinion.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/1 11:38am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK, Yeah. As mind-shatteringly hard as it is to conceive, Benjamin Lafayette Sisko can be more awesome. It just tends to implode the universe he exists in... * I always quite liked how Sisko went after Eddington too. Ah, sorry. Already had Q teleport the entire Vong species into the path of a hungry Unicron. Should I change that? * It depends: Do you wish to be known as the individual who has deprived Captain Klag of his entertainment? Buy a Del Rey book? Me, the leader of the 'Boycot Del Rey' movement? * Even COW liked Death Star! Nobody, After SDCC, I'm a little interested in Flash: Rebirth. I don't think think the Flash series is as badly in need of a reboot as the GL franchise was after several years of Hal as Parallax and the GL Corp being mostly extinguished, but its being written by Johns, so that's a good sign. Didn't pay that much attention to SDCC otherwise, E3 interested me a lot more. * In regard to Flash, I still don't get the fan hatred for the kids, works pretty well for me. Yeah, the Gorkon books are pretty good. Its somewhat... refreshing not to have everything mired in Starfleet ethics. I know ehtics are supposed to be good and all, but sometimes its really nice to just shoot and not bother asking questions. * That's why I like the Gorkon books - Klingons are off the leash! Although on the TNG front, I think they're going a bit overboard on the Borg thing recently (not to mention that idiotic Before Dishonor book, ugh, never leave a ship for study). I just wish I had more time to read Star Trek. And while DS9 quality hasn't dropped, having books come out more than once every few years (especially very short books that don't really push the plot forward that much) would be really helpful. * I'm really hoping there's some news on that front, we're at the time of year where the next year's books are announced. COW, I've seen the authors and fans of Legacy claim that Legacy doesn't infringe on Del Rey or on Luke's Legacy, * The majority of threads I've seen on Legacy all focus on this narrow preoccupation of linking LOTF-Legacy. It's become quite dull. and I happen to disagree about both, as you well know. * No! Never would have guessed. What does that have to do with good things happening for Luke, Leia, Han, and their kids though, JB? How does how Legacy ends have anything to do with Legacy making their future hopeless. If Legacy ends well, that's all well and good for the LEGACY characters. Legacy ending well doesn't impact Han, Luke, Leia, or their kids at all. It's a whole different era and a whole different set of characters. * You can't say Luke's legacy is wrecked by Legacy and then say it doesn't matter if that legacy is actually upheld! As for the linkage to Legacy, I'm not convinced that it requires war and more trauma for Luke and co - you can say that's what DR will do - but they're two very separate things. Well, right now they DO have thousands of Sith to worry about, it's true! * That really is no excuse. But now DH is not playing nicely. Del Rey seems almost falling over themselves trying to accommodate DH. And it's not Del Rey that's really being hurt by DH not connecting things. It's the fans, who would like to see a cohesive continuity and who would like to see some more characters that were taught in the NJO tradition instead of seeing more PT Jedi. * You do have to wonder why LFL let it get so bad in the first place? There'll always be office politics but allowing it this kind of impact tends to be that great an idea. So certain are you??? * Yeah, I'm just that good! What if Jedi of Luke's tradition aren't brought in? What if the PT tradition doesn't fall? What if more PT Jedi show up? There's not guarantee that Luke's tradition will triumph. They COULD be permanently going back to the prequel traditions. * I give you positive notions and you immediately retort with negatives? Regardless, if that was to happen, it'd be a very big giveaway of LFL's agenda and it could do the series a lot of damage. The use of PT characters has already had a bad impact, it'd be wise for that to not be compounded. And you aid that Legacy already has a large cast. Why couldn't we have had Luke tradition Jedi, why couldn't we have had Ben or Allana or one of their children instead of KK or the tree Jedi? * Ood would have been dead cool. I'm with Striker. I really hat that Whiphid too! * Really? Never noticed! -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/1 2:09pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben : The majority of threads I've seen on Legacy all focus on this narrow preoccupation of linking LOTF-Legacy. It's become quite dull.* I agree! But we wouldn't have had this problem if Legacy had been set farther along in the timeline. I wonder if John Ostrander and Jan Duursema are sorry now that they didn't move it up a couple of hundred years? * You can't say Luke's legacy is wrecked by Legacy and then say it doesn't matter if that legacy is actually upheld! Yes, I can, because I maintain that Luke's Legacy is already wrecked by the very beginning of Legacy, where the Jedi are decimated and taken over by the PT Jedi, and where the galaxy is in such chaos, with the Imperials and Sith in charge. Now, if the characters of Legacy eventually manage to achieve peace and build a flourishing Order, it won't be Luke's Legacy anymore, it will be the legacy of whoever accomplished the peace and the next Jedi Order. Luke and Company won't have anything to do with the success. It will be the Legacy characters who achieved it, not him. As for the linkage to Legacy, I'm not convinced that it requires war and more trauma for Luke and co - you can say that's what DR will do - but they're two very separate things. I didn't say it required war either, but we both know that if DR publishes more books, there will be more galactic conflicts. I REALLY wish someone else would have won the contract! And the galaxy IS already a wreck at the beginning of Legacy. Well, right now they DO have thousands of Sith to worry about, it's true! * That really is no excuse. I really wish that the Sith had never been brought back. Their presence just makes all of the struggles of the characters from ANH through LotF seem so worthless. It didn't matter that they suffered so much or tried so hard, those Sith were laughing away behind their backs in their hiding places, just biding their time... Even if the characters achieve peace after LotF, they have still ultimately lost, because those Legacy Sith are still waiting in the wings to cause havoc whenever they want to do so. * You do have to wonder why LFL let it get so bad in the first place? That IS an excellent question. I mean, aren't both companies working for LFL? You would think LFL would have gotten them together for the good of the company, fans, and the stories. So certain are you??? * Yeah, I'm just that good! LOL! it could do the series a lot of damage. The use of PT characters has already had a bad impact, it'd be wise for that to not be compounded. Unfortunately, I think John LIKES to use his PT characters. I'm still expecting Quinlan Vos or his descendant to show up eventually. * Ood would have been dead cool. Ood? I'm with Striker. I really hat that Whiphid too! * Really? Never noticed! I didn't think you did. That's why I keep bringing it up at every opportunity!!
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/1 2:30pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, Ood was the Jedi who became a tree on Ossus. Oh and I still reckon it'll be Luke's legacy that gets upheld, if he does but turn his errant successor around... -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/1 3:57pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben :Ood was the Jedi who became a tree on Ossus. Was he in DE II or III? Oh and I still reckon it'll be Luke's legacy that gets upheld, if he does but turn his errant successor around... It doesn't look like it's going to happen. I understand that Cade is still doing foolish things in the most recent issue preview. And Cade rarely listens to Luke anyway. Anyway, Luke's been on what? A grand total of maybe 5 pages, if that? If anyone DOES turn Cade around (and that's questionable), it will probably be KK or Quinlan Vos.
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 8/1 4:34pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145: And as for the Mara Force ghost thing... well, let's just say that while Force ghosting has never been all that clear a subject or technique in Star Wars, LotF's attempts at Force ghosts was ridiculous, but a lot things were stupid. Yeah, Mara's ghosting was the tip of the LOTF iceberg of stupidity that sank the SW ship. none of which really helps the plot any since at the end Caedus just announces he killed Mara on tape (though he didn't know he was being recorded, but still), Wow, I didn't know that. He... he couldn't detect any duplicity from the person recording? Man, JINO truly is pathetic. Though that might be a good thing, as otherwise, Mara might've told Luke to train Ben by sending him to the Mandalorians. A third of LotF was pretty much like that, so the less Luke written by that author, the less damage. And yeah, it just shows how bad LotF was that a sarcastic response nails it somewhat accurately. Thanks. I have a writer's touch, I guess. Yeah, the Gorkon books are pretty good. Its somewhat... refreshing not to have everything mired in Starfleet ethics. Yeah, it's cool sometimes to have the good guys be the aggressive ones. And to know that Klag and his crew are honorable, for the most part. I just wish I had more time to read Star Trek. And while DS9 quality hasn't dropped, having books come out more than once every few years (especially very short books that don't really push the plot forward that much) would be really helpful. Good point, yeah. I do wish they'd pick up the pace a bit. And heh, if the Yuuzhan Vong saw Unicron, that would throw them into a frenzy. Actually, they didn't have much reaction before he swallowed them whole. Though ooh, yeah, Alpha Trion as one of the first 13 Transformers would be awesome. Wouldn't mind seeing what an unholy Fallen would look like, before he was set on fire and all. Although come to think of it, I wonder if they would throw Vector Prime in. My fanon list of the Thirteen include: Alpha Trion Prima the Fallen Maccadam(SP) Vector Prime Liege Maximo Basically, the 'old guys'. Some with beards. There have been comics I think portraying Vector Prime as one of the first ancient Transformers, though not sure if those comics were ever finished. I don't think so, either. There's a lot of unfinished material for TF, it seems. IDW hasn't touched either of those Transformer gods yet, but an origin of the Transformers race should be very interesting. Well, IIRC, Primus has been used as a swear word in it... And I don't mind a Primus/Unicron origin, to be honest. Heck, Unicron's defeat could've happened a long time ago this time. War Within barely touched on some aspects of that (not to mention, it was nice to see the Autobots and Decepticons fighting against a common enemy), And the redesigns kicked butt. Although the thing I regretted most about DW imploding is that I sorta wish we could've had a Rodimus Prime appearance some day, especially with how Hot Rod and the Matrix storylines were sorta moving. That MTMTE bio was interesting. I just wish I had bought the MTMTE issues/TPBs when they were still in print. Might be able to find scans of them online. I've seen the old Marvel ones up here and there. I'm glad we didn't see Rodimus, actually. I loathed Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime. ChildOfWinds: True, but almost none of those people would still be alive, would they? The way things are going in Legacy, they'd remember the Clone Wars more... Hmm, sometimes when I tell that little tidbit of my life, I admit to expecting someone to make fun of me and mock me. Shrug Well, no one should. I'm glad you found something that helped you during the worst time of your life. Escaping to another galaxy where there was hope and there were endless possibilities makes sense to me. Thanks. And yeah, it helped a lot. I would agonize over what heppened in the last issue of the YJK, waiting for the next. Same with the X-wing novels too, actually. Ah, for those days... I guess I know the anonymity of the internet, and that people take advantage of it to be 'bolder' than usual. And you aid that Legacy already has a large cast. Why couldn't we have had Luke tradition Jedi, why couldn't we have had Ben or Allana or one of their children instead of KK or the tree Jedi? I'm with Striker. I really hat that Whiphid too! Thanks! Down with Crunchy, up with Lusa! Down with tree lady, up with Lowie! Luke and Company won't have anything to do with the success. It will be the Legacy characters who achieved it, not him. That... doesn't sound bad, Windy. It's their problem so they should fix it. Jedi Ben: * I always quite liked how Sisko went after Eddington too. I liked almost everything he did, even striking the deal with Garak in 'In the Pale Moonlight'. * It depends: Do you wish to be known as the individual who has deprived Captain Klag of his entertainment? ... Stop the presses! The Vong arrive and meet a combined Starfleet/NRDF/Klingon Defense Force fleet! "There I was, facing off against fifteen of the bio-tech warriors. Yes, they were fierce, but not as fierce as Klag, son of-" "Wasn't it ten last time?" Buy a Del Rey book? Me, the leader of the 'Boycot Del Rey' movement? * Even COW liked Death Star! Ah, but I'm not Windy. And the OT is less important to me than the YJK, remember. * That's why I like the Gorkon books - Klingons are off the leash! One of my favorite characters is Goran, because he's the biggest and the strongest. And seriously, if he was standing in front of you, wouldn't he automatically be your favorite too? I'm not convinced that it requires war and more trauma for Luke and co - you can say that's what DR will do - but they're two very separate things. That's been their go-to for almost nine years, Ben. It's precedent. I've seen some of the new SW action figures. A huge improvement over the older ones. Now all we need is some EU figures! -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/1 9:09pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Its arguable whether Caedus knew or didn't know he was being recorded, since in the next book, Invincible, Ben's friend is being trailed, and then he ends up captured. But even still, Caedus was either boasting, or gloating to a subordinate, then that subordinate sent that tape to Ben. Even if that was meant to reach Ben's ears, its still a really kind of pathetc way for them to "find out" that Caedus killed Mara. Though Revelation was a pretty bad book (I don't like that author, but I'm wary of complaining too much, even in a thread like this, given that its a somewhat touchy subject in Lit right now) overall anyway. And to CoW, Ood was in.. DE II, I believe. I'm pretty sure, since DE was a lot more focused on Luke vs. the Empire, instead of having side-trips to Ossus, and with DE II, the series quality started dropping. Ah, you don't like Hot Rod. Alright, never mind then, I know Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime isn't ususally the most... popular character with fans. And even though I still like the original G1 Hot Rod a lot, his IDW version is pretty good too. Still a bit wild, but a bit more mature than the normal version. I just like the idea of having two Primes at the same time, not to mention seeing the Matrix do something. And whoops, I meant to type "holy Fallen" as in before he went evil (if he was ever not evil, but at least not outwardly), since all of the original Transformers would probably count as sorta holy-ish in Transformers terms. And yeah, I loved the War Within redesigns, even if they had a bit of a hard time with continuity. I remember how the MTMTE bios said Triple-changers were a result of Shockwave's experiments, or something like that, but we already had Blitzwing as a triplechanger in the first War Within mini-series (not to mention explaining how there were any Autobot triplechangers since Shockwave's doesn't really like to share). If "The 13" turn out to be a Transformers origin-ish story, I just hope it doesn't tie too much into the current IDW-verse, since the IDW storylines are somewhat different from more traditional transformer stories. Different isn't necessarily bad, I just wish they would actually tie up storylines competently (too bad Revelations, arguably the most important -tion arc yet, ended up as Spotlights instead of as a proper series, after how much time Devestation wasted). I just really hope that if there are any Primes in there that they're better characters than most IDW Primes seem to be. We've seen three Primes in IDW comics (I think), and Optimus is still mostly the same (even if he and his Autobots are in last place, as usual), but Sentinel Prime (from that Megatron series) didn't really give a good impression, though I never finished that series, so no idea how that went, and then of course there's Nova Prime, who sounds like he was always evil, and it wasn't just the Dead Universe.... And I forgot, the second Beast Wars mini-series did involve Unicron at least, I think, but the Ascending turned out so badly, that doesn't really sound like they'll try anything like that again, unfortunately. Not that I ever cared much for IDW's Beast Wars miniseries in the first place. The covers look cool, but are ridiculously misleading (so many good pictures of th cartoon characters, but they never do anything!). Though on second thought, the worst thing the Ascending did is that it ended the Beast Wars mini-series so quickly when the first one seemed like it was setting the stage for a bunch more. And on the Flash's kids, I think pepole just don't like kid superheroes, especially when they were just literal babies a few years ago, and nowhere near enough time, even in the actual comic (though there was the time spent in another universe, and then there's the Speed Force messing with their metabolism too). I haven't followed Flash comics much, but if Rebirth does as much for it as Green Lantern: Rebirth did for the GL franchise, I'm ready to join. Perhaps what I'm most interested in is what'll happen to the Flash's Rogues when Rebirth arrives. I have no idea who Barry Allen fought, since he died before I was born, but Wally's Rogues are somewhat active, though it looks like they might be retiring soon too, after one last... job together. And yeah, it was cool when Sisko went after Eddington. I like sometimes dark actions, I just found it annoying how there was never much pay-off (sure, they both poisoned planets, but saying the colonists just switched planets is a bit too... easy for my taste). Sisko with Garak was great though. Not quite as good as Garak and Bashir, but still very good. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/2 12:20am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, Was he in DE II or III? * 2 Oh and I still reckon it'll be Luke's legacy that gets upheld, if he does but turn his errant successor around... It doesn't look like it's going to happen. I understand that Cade is still doing foolish things in the most recent issue preview. And Cade rarely listens to Luke anyway. * It's implied Luke is trying to prepare Cade to deal with the Muur Talisman, so there's more going on than you think. Anyway, Luke's been on what? A grand total of maybe 5 pages, if that? If anyone DOES turn Cade around (and that's questionable), it will probably be KK or Quinlan Vos. * ObiWan wasn't around for long in the OT but had a major impact on Luke, like getting him to go to Dagobah, so page time doesn't mean that much. Luke has got Cade to take responsibilty for Hosk and that in turn has set him on a collision course with Krayt, as Luke probably knew it would. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/2 12:38pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	RK_Striker_JK_Wow, I didn't know that. He... he couldn't detect any duplicity from the person recording? Man, JINO truly is pathetic. It was pretty ridiculous. Jacen just seemed so arrogant. I don't think he even knew he was being recorded. The way things are going in Legacy, they'd remember the Clone Wars more... LOL! How true!!!! There seems to be a massive brain wipe of everyone in Legacy, so nothing is remembered about the events of the films, the Bantam books, the NJO, DN, and LotF. Only the PT period is remembered and recent history in the galaxy. Down with Crunchy, up with Lusa! Down with tree lady, up with Lowie! There you go! And I'd like to see Ben in there somewhere too. Luke and Company won't have anything to do with the success. It will be the Legacy characters who achieved it, not him. That... doesn't sound bad, Windy. It's their problem so they should fix it. But that means that Luke leaves NO Legacy, as his was destroyed at the beginning of the Legacy comics. I'm not convinced that it requires war and more trauma for Luke and co - you can say that's what DR will do - but they're two very separate things. That's been their go-to for almost nine years, Ben. It's precedent. Exactly! Nobody145 : its still a really kind of pathetc way for them to "find out" that Caedus killed Mara. It certainly is! Though Revelation was a pretty bad book (I don't like that author, but I'm wary of complaining too much, even in a thread like this, given that its a somewhat touchy subject in Lit right now) overall anyway. I hated Revelation! It was a huge Mandofest and an anti-Jedi book. There is a thread in Lit now about whether the author's bias shows in the books. It CERTAINLY DOES! I'm surprised more people aren't saying so. There are too many Traviss supporters in that thread. And to CoW, Ood was in.. DE II, I believe. I'm pretty sure, since DE was a lot more focused on Luke vs. the Empire, instead of having side-trips to Ossus, and with DE II, the series quality started dropping. Okay. Well, a Jedi of Luke's time of any kind would be FAR better than a PT Jedi. Jedi Ben * It's implied Luke is trying to prepare Cade to deal with the Muur Talisman, so there's more going on than you think. Implied? * ObiWan wasn't around for long in the OT but had a major impact on Luke, He was around for most of ANH though. Luke has got Cade to take responsibilty for Hosk and that in turn has set him on a collision course with Krayt, as Luke probably knew it would. Do you think so? Or was it just that Cade's conscience finally started to bother him?
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/2 2:31pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	During Force ghost Luke's last visit to Cade, he warned Cade that terrible, dark events were coming and he had to be prepared. The problem was that Cade was too intent on his deathsticks to care, though he said he just wanted to forget everything for one night, but then Azlyn shows up and one thing leads to another and then Cade is proposing they go assassinate Krayt. After facing Krayt once, Cade doesn't want to be the center of attention yet again, though as Luke said so perfectly a while back, Cade's destiny will find him whether h wants it or not, just like Luke's destiny found him. And yeah, the Hosk thing was bothering Cade, though he pretends it doesn't. Cade did try to keep Hosk from being killed by Syn outright, but being turned over to the Sith was probably worse than dying, though at least Hosk had a nice exit. And while Luke's appearancs have been sparse in Legacy, that just makes each one even more impressive. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/4 5:34pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Hey guys, this summer is really going fast, where did July went off to ? I been putting some hours in my job to buy school books and get them cheap off ebay which I'm happy about. I just saw Dark Knight it was pretty good, as tense and emotional as No Country for Old Men. I just notice that there is another SW movie out, even though I know it's more of a pilot for the tv series then a actual full fledge series. is anyone going to see it ? personally I'm satisfied with the original clone wars shorts that I owned, I don't feel the need to go see this one in theaters. but I am looking forward to Unleashed arriving on most consoles in a month, looks like the game will be fun and have hopefully good replay value. currently I been playing Kingdom Hearts 1 and having a blast, I have yet to look into Black. I also completed Specter and it was pretty good, not action packed but had a decent plot going around with no SW cliches like another series of super weapons. hey guys since some of us been getting more jaded year by year, I would like to know what's your top 10 Luke or SW stories that stood the test of time, the ones you could always read about. please name your faves. 10. Dark Empire- one of the more controversial stories of the early EU and it shapes up to be the closet thing to a sequel trilogy. this story felt like a continuation of Return of the Jedi/Revenge of the Sith motif and now the upcoming Force Unleashed, with what if Luke had no choice but to go to the Dark side and even then the jedi master uses his new powers to his advantage and aid the New Republic. the story has it's problems, but it was a enjoyable story with nice ending proving love is the ultimate power. I just wish the art could live up to the story. 9. Specter of the Past- admitedly I was going to have TaB here but despite me just finishing the book 2 weeks ago I was impressed with the story being the starting point of ending the Galactic Civil War that started so long ago when we watched in A New Hope. I enjoy the story so far, as I pointed out yet I have yet to read Visions and I didn't enjoy the first reading hopefully I'm more mature for it. maybe it will move up on my list. 8. Courtship of Princess Leia- despite this title the wedding is only on the last page told from Luke's perspective, and yet this is a very good Luke story, for watching him in action(uses telekinesis to fly the falcon, revives himself using the force, and levitates himself, Isolder, and his ship safely down), dealing with relationships with a force witch, and grow as a jedi. Oddly enough Han felt a little odd in the story, without any of the charm and charmisa that the character usally displays. 7. Clone Wars (mini series from Cartoon Network)- Now I'll be one of the few to say yeah I liked the prequels....but to a degree, but one of best things I seen on tv was this mini series watching the jedi and clones kicking sum serious butt. The mini shows you exactly what a jedi General Kenobi can do, and the series was a good bridge to Revenge of the Sith. 6. Survivor's Quest- Now that Mara has been killed off by Del-Rey there are few good stories to read about Luke and Mara as a couple. but here's a book that Zahn crafts about the newly weds and the rediscovery of Outbound Flight. the book is a good standalone, while it does run a bit long without action it shapes up to be a detective story with jedi masters and some interesting manipulations of the Force(animating dead corspes to pretend they're alive is pretty cool) also we get to see a modded Destroyer droid fare with the ultimate jedi couple. 5. The Unifying Force- the climatic conclusion to one of the longest book series I ever seen and I'm glad they ended the book series with a good book. while NJO was a letdown as a series TUF was not and it actually wrapped up plot holes, inconsistencies, and made sense of them. plus bringing the last battle, and one of the most impressive displays of lightsaber combat ever by your favorite jedi master. 4. Legacy (comics)- here's a comic series that has revitalize my interest in modern Star Wars lore when Legacy of Force crushed it prior. we get to watch the desendents of the greatest heroes in SW fight a new organized Sith Order which has been planning this since Luke's Order had been fighting Vong. while Cade comes off as angsty emo you start to care about the character and witness the diamond in the rough. 3. The Thrawn Trilogy- one of the best stories in EU. and in a lot of ways started out the EU universe. here we get to witness each of the core characters grow while facing a charmasstic evil master tactician and a crazy jedi master clone and the introduction to Luke's future wife. 2. Knights of the Old Republic (game series)- while not a book series persay, but one of the best stories since Empire Strikes Back, you get a cool cast of characters, Force powers, your own ship, and some good rpg gameplay. It also has one of the coolest twists as well. 1. Shadows of the Empire- here's my #1 while it has been 10 years since the book has been released it still stands as one best SW books I ever read. here we get to learn about the period of time between ESB and ROTJ. we have Vader after his son while a new character Xizor wanting to kill his son to become the second most powerful man in the galaxy. also introduces my favorite scoundrel Dash Rendar. JB * I don't think it's going to be the big impact series it was sold to be. perhaps Invasion won't be deep as or long lasting as Civil War, but perhaps Invasion will shape out as a cool story none the less, even though I decided to give up on New Avengers. after watching Dark Knight I noticed both Watchmen and the Spirit trailers wut's your take on these former comics coming to the big screen ? * These days I don't really care much about the line, although I'll buy the next USM HC because it remains Bendis' best title. you kinda figure they would throw him into regular ol 616 continuity righta bout now ? I know we could use him as a regular writer. I think the Ultimate Universe should have stayed as minis in a Marvel Knights title. most of the revisions and interpertations of the modern characters have been already transferred to the 616 original counterpart. * Well, some FPS have you being quiet and stealthy, Black has you using a shotgun to blast down a locked door. If enemies are near a car, blow up the engine. It's a PS2 with a lot of destructable scenary, which is normally a next-gen feature. right, i actually haven't heard about destructible scenery since Red Faction 2. * I want Brubaker to hog writing Bucky, the one time he turned up elsewhere was Wolverine by Way and it was horrible. u know the Comedian has a sort of Winter Soldier look in the Watchmen movie, even with a domino mask. about the cameo in wolverine I heard they made him into something of a Frank Castle type. Child I tried some of the prequel stuff, but I really didn't like it. kinda funny how u mention me reading Outbound Flight then, you must have enjoyed it pretty well to make you go read a different era book. And that's a biG plus. I bet Anakin Skywalker wishes he knew how to do that! o by no means the book trilogy is not that good but it's a masterpiece compare to some of the newer books we been getting. Oh, yes. I agree that she was interested in the Farmboy whether she was willing to admit it or not, and she wanted to look her best for him. checkmate Well, I liked it expect for Mara's lecturing of Luke. how's the plot follow the Imperial deception of their imposter Thrawn and how's Luke in the story ? yeah another set of tragic events, now if this was a comic then the characters would come back. LOL! So true! over in the book universe everything is permanent unless it's vetoed by GL I know. It was disappointing. I was hoping that maybe we'd actually see Luke talking to her and her responding to him in Invincible, but we didn't get anything. where's the emotion to the series ? when do the good guys win ? it seems they have to cut it in order to get in some more Mando dialogue. ah, but I doubt Luke will be a main character in MF, but I could be wrong hey maybe as a secondary character, he did pilot the Falcon during SOTE. RK You work for Target? I work for Walmart. We must now duel to the death. Hope the job's going well for you. actually i would probably throw up a white flag, I'm not very loyal to the store. it's more of maybe a summer job it depends on how many hours they give me during the fall. Part of the 10-year anniversary for the boards. cheers then, I only been on for 3 yrs. plus Luke WALKS ON LAVA THANK YOU! I was wondering if either I read the wrong books, or my taste was that bad. well it's defintely not one of the better SW stories out there but compare to the trash they keep throwing at us it's the Lord of the Rings Trilogy compared to the new stuff. And in my fanon Tenel Ka and Jacen had twins and have been married for ten years. Oh, and Jaina's Rogue Lead. see I like the natural progression there for the core characters, but now half of them are dead or missing. "Luke, hello? Oh for kriff... Luke, I'm dating your father in the afterlife! Hello, farmboy?" Yeah that would wake up Luke in a microsecond. LOL. Same here, dude. RL and other stuff's been coming up badly. my whole summer has been nothing but living in a retail store. you're telling me, how's u ? I got a promotion at work, we just had inventory and my schedule's shifted around so I work in the morning. It's a lot better than before. congrats I hope it goes well. I've seen 'The Batman', and you're right. Nothing comnpared the TAS. That was one of the definitive Batmen. Kevin Conroy is the voice. I saw the first few seasons of that. I wonder if Niles ever married Daphne... want me to spoil u ? lol, sure. they do marry, but it takes a while they court for a couple of episodes and then eventually marry and have a child but that's in the tenth season. I have yet to see it. Cheap, unposable, fragile... Hey, Lucasarts! We'd like some qaulity for a change! you mean hasbro, the new ones at least have some poseability though I hate the scale. in the mid-90's, i was messed up. I was living with an emotionally, mental and attempted physcally abusive stepfather who made my mother cry every night. I had 1-3 friends at high school. but it lifted my spirits. It showed me that the good guys could win, the bad guys could lose. I'm sorry to hear that man, I had a lousy time during middle school and the earlier years of high school myself, but I'm glad that the series kept yur mind off things. That's one of the things I loved about Iron Man it kept my mind off this year's problems and my own stress of moving and getting a new job. I work at a Target myself. Ignites lightsaber How's it working out? I actually shop at Target on occasion. mind tricks this isn't the duel you're looking for....I like the job better than my previous one, but I'm looking for a better one out there hopefully someone will open the door for me. can't wait for your review. Not bad, although Cade and Talon= I did like her spech to Cade in front of that mural, though. The reveal of Krayt as Hett worked, too. And holy cow, freaky Moff lady is Cade's mother! I was legit shocked by that, too. i wish i didn't spoil myself with Calixe = Morgan. I enjoy Cade as character better now, he seems more bad arse than emo. plus Kol coming to Cade during the duel was climatic and not for money value either. here's another successful volume of my fave SW series. I also saw two complete episodes of the Spiderman series. Man, Black Cat... I am shocked they let her get away with some of that innuendo. Dang... And the symbiote, there. Hmm... lol o c'mon "You can webbed me up anytime Pete." is just playful flirtation I'm surprised that despite Pete being thedork he has 2 girls interested in him and one intrested in Spider-man. Plus MJ is there for a reason too. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/5 11:28am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	MS86, perhaps Invasion won't be deep as or long lasting as Civil War, but perhaps Invasion will shape out as a cool story none the less, even though I decided to give up on New Avengers. * The SI tie-ins have been quite good so far on both titles. after watching Dark Knight I noticed both Watchmen and the Spirit trailers wut's your take on these former comics coming to the big screen ? * I haven't read Eisner's original but Darwyn Cooke's recent version was very good, you should give it a try. As for Watchmen, it's a very clever but, for me, emotionally cold work. you kinda figure they would throw him into regular ol 616 continuity righta bout now ? I know we could use him as a regular writer. I think the Ultimate Universe should have stayed as minis in a Marvel Knights title. most of the revisions and interpertations of the modern characters have been already transferred to the 616 original counterpart. * I don't think so, quite a bit of what's been done in Ultimate couldn't have been done in normal continuity and given where that's gone recently - deal with the devil, anyone? right, i actually haven't heard about destructible scenery since Red Faction 2. * Black does that better. u know the Comedian has a sort of Winter Soldier look in the Watchmen movie, even with a domino mask. about the cameo in wolverine I heard they made him into something of a Frank Castle type. * Trust me, you do not want to read Daniel Way-written Wolverine! JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Charlemagne19 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 8/6 6:19am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I want everyone to know that both my manuscripts are completed for the two role-playing games I've done! I'm extraordinarily pleased with myself! Halt Evil Doer! (a super heroes game) and Winterweir (a Dark Fantasy Roleplaying game) They should probably both be available in September or October in physical form and will be available sooner in PDF. I hope you'll pick up copies. In the meantime, I've been diverging my reading tastes a bit to pick up the Gotrek and Felix Omnibuses of Warhammer. Given that I'm wary of Game Fiction, I will say that they're amongst the best fantasy I've read in a very long time. Not terribly complex stories but not since Fritz Leiber's famous duo have I found such an enjoyable pair. I recommend everyone here pick up a copy of this series. The premise: A Poet of the Empire and a Dwarf warrior pledged to seek repentance through honorable combat to the death bumble their way through the tragically doomed Sigmar Empire. The setting is dark and moody but beautifully realized. I'm also reading two Warcraft novels. So what have I missed in the meantime? -----signature----- Check out Halt Evil Doer!: The RPG setting for Super Heroes! Halt Evil Doer PDF: http://tinyurl.com/555axt
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