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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/6 10:24am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 8/6 10:56am (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	other than some comic talk it has been rather quiet over here. you think after san diego con people would have a lot to discuss about with new comics, movies, and animation about to come. * The SI tie-ins have been quite good so far on both titles. that's the more depressing part about it, I'm leaving when the material starts getting good. but after the split up of Iron Man and no Cap on the team there seems to be a lost in magic for the overall series. * I haven't read Eisner's original but Darwyn Cooke's recent version was very good, you should give it a try. As for Watchmen, it's a very clever but, for me, emotionally cold work. perhaps I hear the overall story is tragic yet a must read for comic readers, but then again Dark Knight had that tragedy element there and it's good but it's not my type of movie. Iron Man would have to be that movie this year it was fun, brought a great story and had the definte Tony Stark. * I don't think so, quite a bit of what's been done in Ultimate couldn't have been done in normal continuity and given where that's gone recently - deal with the devil, anyone? true they're more angsty, less friendly and appeal to beginners in comics, but half of the Ultimate universe has been the retelling of the 616 universe. most of th writers have brought a good modernization to the character with Captain America,Iron Man, Thor, Iron Fist etc... at current times it just seems the universe has no difference until this Ultimates Orgin revealed mutants were made rather than been borned. * Black does that better. nice.... * Trust me, you do not want to read Daniel Way-written Wolverine! well i would trust fraction, JMS, and Bendis if he treats him right but yes Brubaker made this character realy work. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/6 1:14pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I'm all for talking, I just people to talk with! MS86, that's the more depressing part about it, I'm leaving when the material starts getting good. but after the split up of Iron Man and no Cap on the team there seems to be a lost in magic for the overall series. * My view of Marvel is quite reduced from what it was a year ago, their marketing is as good as ever but just feels hollow to me, although I'm very interested in the upcoming War of Kings event. perhaps I hear the overall story is tragic yet a must read for comic readers, * In a way Watchmen has become more significant both for what it did and the medium failed to follow up on, Moore is on record as saying that he felt the industry missed the point of Watchmen only taking up the dark and griity element. but then again Dark Knight had that tragedy element there and it's good but it's not my type of movie. Iron Man would have to be that movie this year it was fun, brought a great story and had the definte Tony Stark. * Iron Man just retains its crown but I do like Dark Knight a great deal. true they're more angsty, less friendly and appeal to beginners in comics, but half of the Ultimate universe has been the retelling of the 616 universe. * But that was pretty much the point from the start. most of th writers have brought a good modernization to the character with Captain America,Iron Man, Thor, Iron Fist etc... at current times it just seems the universe has no difference until this Ultimates Orgin revealed mutants were made rather than been borned. * Well, it's no coincidence that the writers steering Marvel are the same guys behind the Ultimate line for the most part, which is why the differences have become reduced between the two sets of continuity. well i would trust fraction, JMS, and Bendis if he treats him right but yes Brubaker made this character realy work. * You've read Thor 3, haven't you? The one where Iron Man has his arse handed him by a very pissed off Thor? Well Fraction does a great follow-up on that in Invincible Iron Man, there's no fight or anything but Thor's disdain is expertly conveyed. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/7 4:53am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 8/7 4:55am (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	I'm still here, there's just not that much to talk about. Final Crisis is still moving along steadily, nothing big has happened in Secret Invasion since it started (its not like the SHIELD Helicarrier doesn't crash on a regular basis anyway), and there won't be any new Star Wars comics for at least another week, unfortunately. Not to mention the bad news about new books just won't stop coming it seems (I'm not a big fan of Essential Guides, but the next one is probably going to reach new lows). Although on the upside, the new KotOR Campaign guide should be out in a few weeks. By the way, has anyone else read the latest TNG book, Greater than the Sum (or something like that)? While I'm glad to have a new TNG book every few months, I just wish they were better quality. And argh, enough with the Borg already. The author's fine, and I liked it much more than Before Dishonor (with its silly mutiny, not that it mattered, as half the Enterprise's bridge crew from that book is already gone by the next book... again). Oh well, at least DS9 will be sorta involved in the next trilogy of books coming out, but I don't have high expectations, unfortunately. DS9's progress is slower than a snail, and TNG's quality leaves something to be desired... oh well, at least its not quite as bad as some of the recent Star Wars news. They're leading up to some big Ultimate universe event right now, aren't they? Although I don't really follow any Ultimate series, but sometimes its a welcome distraction from the dismal 616 universe. By the way, I heard a Merlin showed up in the latest Captain Britain. Is it the same Merlin from that X-men Die by the Sword thing that just summarily ended New Excalibur and Exiles V.1? Just curious, as I heard something about a leftover plot thread from that miniseries being mentioned in the new series. And while some of the SI Avenger tie-ins were ok, I've heard, the quality has drastically dropped recently, I think, since we're going into major recap/retcon mode. We don't need the fake Hank Pym's life story in that much detail, thank you, not that there were ever any clues really when the stories actually came out. And that last NA was kind of... pointless, I guess? Though the way things are shaping up, the Savage Land and some C-list supervillain the Hood will save the day or something... oh well, can't be worse than the wrong side winning the civil war (and I sincerely hope I don't turn out to be wrong about that). And yeah, the Clone Wars tv series (the Cartoon Network one) was very good. Though I'm a Samurai Jack fan, so that's another reason I liked it. And of course, the Legacy comics are some of the best parts of the EU right now, though I'm still interested in Cade's story mainly because he's such a different Skywalker than any before him. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/7 3:10pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobidy, I'm still here, there's just not that much to talk about. Final Crisis is still moving along steadily, nothing big has happened in Secret Invasion since it started (its not like the SHIELD Helicarrier doesn't crash on a regular basis anyway), * Will be commenting at the weekend, maybe we should start throwing in recommendations? They're leading up to some big Ultimate universe event right now, aren't they? Although I don't really follow any Ultimate series, but sometimes its a welcome distraction from the dismal 616 universe. * Don't get too enthusiastic, it's being written by Loeb. By the way, I heard a Merlin showed up in the latest Captain Britain. Is it the same Merlin from that X-men Die by the Sword thing that just summarily ended New Excalibur and Exiles V.1? Just curious, as I heard something about a leftover plot thread from that miniseries being mentioned in the new series. * Don't know, but if you've been reading Captain Britain and liking it - get a copy of Fantastic Four True Story - it's a wondrous piece of work. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 8/8 5:01pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145: Its arguable whether Caedus knew or didn't know he was being recorded, since in the next book, Invincible, Ben's friend is being trailed, and then he ends up captured. But even still, Caedus was either boasting, or gloating to a subordinate, then that subordinate sent that tape to Ben. Even if that was meant to reach Ben's ears, its still a really kind of pathetc way for them to "find out" that Caedus killed Mara. Did I happen to mention how much I loathe everything past the YJK? Is it sad that Jacen was at his smartest at age sixteen?!? Though Revelation was a pretty bad book (I don't like that author, but I'm wary of complaining too much, even in a thread like this, given that its a somewhat touchy subject in Lit right now) overall anyway. That's me and Troy Denning, basically. I haven't liked anything SW he's ever written. Ever. Ah, you don't like Hot Rod. Alright, never mind then, I know Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime isn't ususally the most... popular character with fans. lol, sorry. I just don't like Optimus being replaced by that punk. He didn't even prove himself in the movie too well, IMHO. Have Bluestreak get the Matrix; at least he was an Ark crewmember! And even though I still like the original G1 Hot Rod a lot, his IDW version is pretty good too. I actually like the IDW one better, lol. Still a bit wild, but a bit more mature than the normal version. Yeah, that's actually why. See his rescue of Dealer in his spotlight? And whoops, I meant to type "holy Fallen" as in before he went evil (if he was ever not evil, but at least not outwardly), since all of the original Transformers would probably count as sorta holy-ish in Transformers terms. I love that the TFs have a religion, actually. I don't even know why. It's so neat. And yeah, I loved the War Within redesigns, even if they had a bit of a hard time with continuity. I remember how the MTMTE bios said Triple-changers were a result of Shockwave's experiments, or something like that, but we already had Blitzwing as a triplechanger in the first War Within mini-series (not to mention explaining how there were any Autobot triplechangers since Shockwave's doesn't really like to share). They managed to retain the essence of who they were, and their alt modes. Oh, I forgot about that, yeah. Sigh Well, better than Del rey's mistakes! If "The 13" turn out to be a Transformers origin-ish story, I just hope it doesn't tie too much into the current IDW-verse, since the IDW storylines are somewhat different from more traditional transformer stories. Less room for Primus and Unicron, basically? I just really hope that if there are any Primes in there that they're better characters than most IDW Primes seem to be. We've seen three Primes in IDW comics (I think), and Optimus is still mostly the same (even if he and his Autobots are in last place, as usual), but Sentinel Prime (from that Megatron series) didn't really give a good impression, though I never finished that series, so no idea how that went, and then of course there's Nova Prime, who sounds like he was always evil, and it wasn't just the Dead Universe.... Isn't Optimus supposed to be the most noble and best M<atrix Bearer of them all, though? Hence Optimus prime=best first? Although yeah, it's disheartening to see what a glithing diode Sentinel was. And if you're familir with the TF Animated series, Sentinel Prime... is a jerk there, too. And I forgot, the second Beast Wars mini-series did involve Unicron at least, I think, but the Ascending turned out so badly, that doesn't really sound like they'll try anything like that again, unfortunately. Never read it. If I may ask, what happened? ChildOfWinds: It was pretty ridiculous. Jacen just seemed so arrogant. I don't think he even knew he was being recorded. I think most Jedi... or observant people... could tell that, through signs and clues from the recorder. LOL! How true!!!! There seems to be a massive brain wipe of everyone in Legacy, so nothing is remembered about the events of the films, the Bantam books, the NJO, DN, and LotF. Only the PT period is remembered and recent history in the galaxy. Heh, reminds me of this anime series called 'Big O'. They had a memory wipe, too. "Something happened... but what?" COme on, it's ridiculous! The Jedi Purge was less successful than this! There you go! And I'd like to see Ben in there somewhere too. With his wife... whoever she is. Jysella? Sure, Jysella! Or Sannah. But that means that Luke leaves NO Legacy, as his was destroyed at the beginning of the Legacy comics. I'm sorry, but I'm confused here... I'm talking about Krayt and his Sith. Wolf, Cade and their brethren should be the ones to deal with Krayt directly. That's been their go-to for almost nine years, Ben. It's precedent. Exactly! To quote Montgomery Scott... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me once, shame on me!" I hated Revelation! It was a huge Mandofest and an anti-Jedi book. There is a thread in Lit now about whether the author's bias shows in the books. It CERTAINLY DOES! I'm surprised more people aren't saying so. There are too many Traviss supporters in that thread. From everything I've heard, yeah. Very biased, in and out of the book. Too much author intent leaking through. Jaina's spoiled, and she agrees with them? Read the YJK and then tell me she's spoiled. He was around for most of ANH though. He had only maybe three or four days with Luke, but he made it count. MasterSkywalker86: Hey guys, this summer is really going fast, where did July went off to ? Doesnt feel like July, at least here in NH. Too rainy. I just notice that there is another SW movie out, even though I know it's more of a pilot for the tv series then a actual full fledge series. is anyone going to see it ? No need. Honestly, I'm sick of the CW stuff. hey guys since some of us been getting more jaded year by year, I would like to know what's your top 10 Luke or SW stories that stood the test of time, the ones you could always read about. please name your faves. Not top ten, but... 1. The YJK: Tops, natch. A good SW and Luke story. 14 novels, divided into 3 arcs. Everyone here knows what it means to me, so I don't think I have to repeat myself. 2. The Thrawn Trilogy: Without it, no YJK. It was nice seeing intelligent villians. And Mara... yeah. She's a good match with Luke. Also, Noghri rock. 3. the JAT: It really formed the basis for the EU. The Academy, the kids, I liked the 'Originals', as I've dubbed them. Tionne... 4. The OT: Not the first, not the favorite... but damn. For another time, perhaps... actually i would probably throw up a white flag, I'm not very loyal to the store. it's more of maybe a summer job it depends on how many hours they give me during the fall. Ah, okay. That's cool. Walmart's my career right now. cheers then, I only been on for 3 yrs. Only five for me. well it's defintely not one of the better SW stories out there but compare to the trash they keep throwing at us it's the Lord of the Rings Trilogy compared to the new stuff. It's not the best, no, but it's rereadbale and enjoyable. That's what matters to me. see I like the natural progression there for the core characters, but now half of them are dead or missing. Thanks. Jaina's Rogue Lead. Lusa is a full-fledged Healer. Raynar's head of the Bornaryn Trade Fleet. Zekk's... something with Jaina. Anakin and Tahiri... still friends. Maybe not married, though. "Luke, hello? Oh for kriff... Luke, I'm dating your father in the afterlife! Hello, farmboy?" Yeah that would wake up Luke in a microsecond. Bantam Luke, yes. Del Rey Luke... I got a promotion at work, we just had inventory and my schedule's shifted around so I work in the morning. It's a lot better than before. congrats I hope it goes well. Thanks. It's still going good. I'm setting up a new inventory system now. I've seen 'The Batman', and you're right. Nothing comnpared the TAS. That was one of the definitive Batmen. Kevin Conroy is the voice. Ah, I didn't know that. Cool. they do marry, but it takes a while they court for a couple of episodes and then eventually marry and have a child but that's in the tenth season. I have yet to see it. And true love wins... Thanks. I'm glad they got together. you mean hasbro, the new ones at least have some poseability though I hate the scale. A little bit bigger would be nice. And yeah, poseability's better. I'm sorry to hear that man, I had a lousy time during middle school and the earlier years of high school myself, but I'm glad that the series kept yur mind off things. That's one of the things I loved about Iron Man it kept my mind off this year's problems and my own stress of moving and getting a new job. Without it, I wouldn't be on these boards... or possibly alive. Maybe on the second part, but a difinite on the first. Good for Iron Man. Tony, you did good with one thing, at least. i wish i didn't spoil myself with Calixe = Morgan. I enjoy Cade as character better now, he seems more bad arse than emo. plus Kol coming to Cade during the duel was climatic and not for money value either. here's another successful volume of my fave SW series. Yeah, him reaching out and getting the lightsaber was great. Then gutting Talon. lol o c'mon "You can webbed me up anytime Pete." is just playful flirtation I'm surprised that despite Pete being thedork he has 2 girls interested in him and one intrested in Spider-man. Plus MJ is there for a reason too. That's flirtation like I dislike the NJO. So far beyond! Charlemagne19: I want everyone to know that both my manuscripts are completed for the two role-playing games I've done! I'm extraordinarily pleased with myself! Halt Evil Doer! (a super heroes game) and Winterweir (a Dark Fantasy Roleplaying game) They should probably both be available in September or October in physical form and will be available sooner in PDF. I shall buy and read! -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/10 11:32am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 :During Force ghost Luke's last visit to Cade, he warned Cade that terrible, dark events were coming and he had to be prepared. The problem was that Cade was too intent on his deathsticks to care, Still with the deathsticks, huh? Was Luke warning about that Sith amulet and the rakghouls maybe? I finally did read up to issue 31 in KotoR, so I know about that now. but then Azlyn shows up and one thing leads to another and then Cade is proposing they go assassinate Krayt. I wonder why he decided to do that out of the blue? And while Luke's appearancs have been sparse in Legacy, that just makes each one even more impressive. Not when he's ignored, N! MasterSkywalker86 :I been putting some hours in my job to buy school books and get them cheap off ebay which I'm happy about. That's good! I just saw Dark Knight it was pretty good, as tense and emotional as No Country for Old Men. I didn't like it. Too violent and I didn't like the depressing ending where the hero is looked upon by everyone as a villain. And his girlfriend's dead; his Batman information destroyed; his operative left him. Nope! Not my kind of movie. I'm satisfied with the original clone wars shorts that I owned, I don't feel the need to go see this one in theaters. I'm not a big fan of the Clone Wars or that era, so I'm not planning to go to see it. I also completed Specter and it was pretty good, not action packed but had a decent plot It's basically the set-up book for VotF. Thanks for posting your favorite Luke book list in Lit. My list for all books is pretty much the same, but I would add the Black Fleet Crisis to the list and the X-wing books. The X-wing books didn't use Luke, so I didn't add them to the favorite Luke books, obviously, and I didn't really like Luke in the BFC, but those books were well-done and very creative. kinda funny how u mention me reading Outbound Flight then, you must have enjoyed it pretty well to make you go read a different era book. Outbound Flight was the prequel to Survivor's Quest. I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it as much by itself, but paired with SQ, it was great! I enjoyed going back in time to see the same things that Luke and Mara saw but in a different time, and I liked having the full mysteries from SQ that they couldn't figure out, resolved. Plus, it was interesting that there actually were a few survivors after all that time. how's the plot follow the Imperial deception of their imposter Thrawn and how's Luke in the story ? I thought Luke was resourceful in VotF, and the Imperial plot continues. There are some surprises. where's the emotion to the series ? when do the good guys win ? it seems they have to cut it in order to get in some more Mando dialogue. It's true, MS, there ISN'T much emotion in LotF, and the good guys seem to endure more than win. Yes, at the end, like magic, the war is over, but it ended up being more confusing than statisfying. (How did they end it so quickly? Why did they give in? WHY DID THEY MAKE DAALA CoS??? What were the reactions of the main characters to Jacen's death?) Those kinds of questions. plus Luke WALKS ON LAVA THANK YOU! I was wondering if either I read the wrong books, or my taste was that bad. Luke walking on lava was cool. I think the bad taste that I have in my mouth about the JAT is knowing that Luke spends most of his time in a coma and everything goes on fine without him. see I like the natural progression there for the core characters, but now half of them are dead or missing. That's Del Rey for you! They certainly know how to ruin SW! I enjoy Cade as character better now, he seems more bad arse than emo. I think he's still VERY emo!!!!! Charlemagne19 :I want everyone to know that both my manuscripts are completed for the two role-playing games I've done! I'm extraordinarily pleased with myself! Halt Evil Doer! (a super heroes game) and Winterweir (a Dark Fantasy Roleplaying game) They should probably both be available in September or October in physical form and will be available sooner in PDF. Congratulations, C!!! Good luck with them! RK_Striker_JK_5 :I think most Jedi... or observant people... could tell that, through signs and clues from the recorder. You would think so, wouldn't you??? COme on, it's ridiculous! The Jedi Purge was less successful than this! It IS ridiculous! I hope John Ostrander has gotten the message and won't be including any more PT Jedi. That just keeps diminishing Luke with every single PT Jedi that shows up. There you go! And I'd like to see Ben in there somewhere too. With his wife... whoever she is. Exactly! I'm sorry, but I'm confused here... I'm talking about Krayt and his Sith. Wolf, Cade and their brethren should be the ones to deal with Krayt directly. I guess we just got all mixed up here. Of course Wolf, Cade and the others should take care of Krayt and his Sith. But having the Jedi led by PT Jedi and a PT Jedi Council, and trained by PT Jedi means that there's no longer Luke's tradition of Jedi. And since most of his Jedi were killed at the beginning of Legacy, that means there's not Legacy left for Luke. I believe that's what I was basically trying to say. From everything I've heard, yeah. Very biased, in and out of the book. Too much author intent leaking through. Jaina's spoiled, and she agrees with them? Read the YJK and then tell me she's spoiled. Read the NJO and some of the gritty things she had to do there and tell me that she needed to be trained by Mandalorians! 4. The OT: Not the first, not the favorite... but damn. For another time, perhaps... Please do go on! The OT is my favorite! Yeah that would wake up Luke in a microsecond. Bantam Luke, yes. Del Rey Luke... Good point, sadly. Thanks. It's still going good. I'm setting up a new inventory system now. Glad to hear that things are going well, Striker!
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/10 1:36pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, I didn't like it. Too violent and I didn't like the depressing ending where the hero is looked upon by everyone as a villain. And his girlfriend's dead; his Batman information destroyed; his operative left him. Nope! Not my kind of movie. * The downer ending is part of why the Dark Knight just lost out to Iron Man - think you'd like that actually. * Rachel being dead wasn't a problem because she was annoyingly idealistic and whiny, what was someone like doing in Gotham anyway? It ain't for such people. * I'd disagree that Lucius has left Bruce, for when he input his name at the end the computer device that tracked mobiles self-destructed. In other words, Batman agreed with Lucius about the potential for misuse, it was literally a one-time use only. * Now a change of tack: I know you're a classics fan, so how's this for an idea - a darkness is spreading through the world of fiction and the Fantastic four have to stop by travelling into stories! The first issue sees people becoming melancholy in regard to stories and this evil entity is behind it, so the four traverse fiction to fight it. * What makes it work so well is stuff like this: The Dashwood sisters from Sense & Sensibility are confronted with a demon horde, the four swoop in to save them and we have this exchange: Thing: It is a truth universally acknowledged that it's clobberin' time! Sue: Ben! That's from Pride & Prejudice! * A brilliant gag and far from the only one. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/11 12:31am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	On the Cade thing, the group there had just seen the news about the Mon Calamri being slaughtered, not to mention Cade's identity now being very widespread knowledge, and its likely that Krayt's slaughtering the Mon Cal partially due to his rage at losing Cade as well. Cade says the deathstick thing is just to forget all his worries, just for one night, but this is Cade, so its probably not going to end well. Bantha and Cade talk about Cade hiding, and that if Cade really wanted to hide so that no one would ever find him, he would change everything, his name (not just losing the Skywalker part), lose his known associates, his unique ship, probably change his appearance, everything, but of course, Cade's not willing to do that, so instead, Cade decides to kill Krayt before Krayt gets him, partially urged on by hearing the news about the Mon Cal massacre, and Bantha mentions a place where Cade might be able to get more help for his "Krayt kill squad", but of course, CoW, you know how that went by now. I actually loved the Dark Knight, not even the ending irked me too much. Batman is a vigilante, so his friendly relationship with the police couldn't last forever, and as Batman said, he's the hero Gotham needs, not the one it deserves. And frankly, I'm glad they got rid of Rachel, though it was a sad death, she was annoying. Not to mention don't much care for their choice of actress, the first movie's actress was much prettier. Oh well, she died halfway through so it didn't matter. On Caedus' "confession"... well, yeah, the implication was that Caedus didn't know he was being recorded, but then again, in that book, most Force-associated characters are weak morons at best, and the only way any Force user does something is by attaching themselves to the Mandalorians' glorious rise to power! Fortunately, Denning fixes most of those problems in the next book. Oh yeah, RK_Striker, while browsing Amazon the other day, I noticed that it looks like they're reprinting the MTMTE bios in a little while. Think I should order them while they're in print? Even the more recent IDW reprints of DW stuff already seems to be out of print in many places, but since the DW continuity is dead, I'm debating whether to spend the money or not. And yeah, if "The 13" Transformers series is a Transformers origin story, I don't think the curent IDW comics continuity has much room left for Primus or Unicron, what with the Dead Universe already looking to be the most mystical element. The rest, Headmasters, Ore-13, and all those many, many loose strings (Dinobots, Shockwave, Soundwave, just to mention a few) are all mostly mundane. Unless that Magnificence turns out to be really fancy somehow, but considering it'll probably be dealt with soon, probably not mystical. And yeah, Optimus is still the best Prime yet, probably, though I was kind of worried when he just let those Machination agents' cars just crash into his feet, but otherwise, he's still benevolent. Although I still don't like his condemnation of Omega Supreme, especially since, of course, Omega Supreme turned out to be right. Its just that we've had three Primes show up in the IDW continuity so far, Nova/Nemisis, Sentinel and the current Optimus (though they never said exactly how Primes were decided, its not like a Matrix is involved or anything), and two of them are... less than admirable, to say the least. Though there still seems to be a slight link, with how Optimus instinctively sensed Nemesis when he was drifting between life and death. Heck, Rodimus Prime would probably be better than either of those two earlier Primes. He may whine, but at least he was never evil. And yeah, I've seen Animated Sentinel Prime, but the term Prime there has a different rank than in most Transformers continuity, so I don't mind him as a jerk. At least Ultra Magnus means well, though I question the competence of any system that rewards someone like Sentinel and has Optimus as a pariah. The storyline of the Beast Wars Ascending thing is... complicated and convoluted, to say the least. Essentially it came down to... Magmatron was stuck outside of space-time after that botched transwarp teleporter thing at the end of Gathering, but being outside of normal space-time, he sees how the future will go. On Cyberton, someone schemes to use Unicron's energy to become all-powerful, not knowing that using Unicron's energy will just make him into the new vessel for Unicron. Magmatron manages to get word to Ravage, who then calls for a truce in their chronal-displaced round of the Beast Wars, and then they're all attacked by some Unicron lackeys. Snarl (that warthog) goes down, dies I think, Cybertron is going crazy as people get infected by the Unicron energy and go crazy, some of the Beast Wars crew manage to get back to Cybertron, they manage to send the villain to outside time-space for a bit where Magmatron shows him his future as destroyer of Cybertron, he blows himself up instead, and that's it. The IDW Beast Wars are over with, as soon as they get a ship back to earth to pick up all those other Transformers, and Cybertron is somewhat wrecked, but its not like anybody else is going to invade. And this is right before Beast Machines beings. Oh yeah, several Japanese Beast Wars cartoon characters show up too. That's basically the plot in a nutshell and closes out that era of the Beast Wars, without us ever really seeing any of the Beast Wars the first Gathering promised, so it was a pretty lame ending. Should be an interesting week for comics at least. Last week had Final Crisis, with more happening in that one issue than in the last three issues of SI so far, but I don't expect much from SI either this week, not with that... strange cover. I don't see the Skrull guessing games ending any time soon, unfortunately. Batman RIP and the Superman Brainiac arc should be good though. As well as Booster Gold, hopefuly, even with the new writers. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/11 7:48am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben : * I'd disagree that Lucius has left Bruce, for when he input his name at the end the computer device that tracked mobiles self-destructed. In other words, Batman agreed with Lucius about the potential for misuse, it was literally a one-time use only. Yes, I know, but didn't we see Lucius walking away? * Now a change of tack: I know you're a classics fan, so how's this for an idea - a darkness is spreading through the world of fiction and the Fantastic four have to stop by travelling into stories! The first issue sees people becoming melancholy in regard to stories and this evil entity is behind it, so the four traverse fiction to fight it. LOL! They should stop in at Del Rey and put themselves into Fate of the Jedi! Nobody145 : Cade says the deathstick thing is just to forget all his worries, just for one night, but this is Cade, so its probably not going to end well. Probably not. Bantha and Cade talk about Cade hiding, and that if Cade really wanted to hide so that no one would ever find him, he would change everything, his name And maybe subconsciously Cade doesn't really want to never be found? On Caedus' "confession"... well, yeah, the implication was that Caedus didn't know he was being recorded, but then again, in that book, most Force-associated characters are weak morons at best, Isn't that the truth!!! Why is it that the authors seem to feel compelled to make Luke and the Jedi look like idiots??? The Jedi are what make the SW universe unique and they should be respected as such in universe and out of universe. They shouldn't keep being torn down. They're SUPPOSED to be the HEROES, not the villains or the inepts! And I'm really tired of Jedi gone-bad stories. Let the Jedi be the solution to the problems, not the problems themselves! Otherwise, what was the point of restoring the Jedi in the first place??? and the only way any Force user does something is by attaching themselves to the Mandalorians' glorious rise to power! That is so ridiculous!!! But that is just what we got in LotF.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/11 2:42pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I read Lucius walking away from the machine as it exploded as being 1) a safety measure - you don't stand near an exploding machine and 2) That it explodes revives Lucius' trust in Bruce. Had he kept it operational with the Joker away then Lucius would have walked. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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DeJade_Vu Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 8/12 10:35am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	The downer ending is part of why the Dark Knight just lost out to Iron Man - think you'd like that actually. I don't think the ending of The Dark Knight pause to bow head in respectful awe was really that much of a downer. I thought it was very inspirational that a hero would be so self-sacrificing as to allow himself to be blamed for the wrongs committed by another man, so that the people could still have hope. Self-sacrifice isn't a popular virtue in today's "Do It If It Makes You Feel Good!" Hollywood. It was brilliantly refreshing. -----signature----- I'm a PBS mind in an MTV world. ~Eschew Obfuscation~ Pope Benedict XVI Owns You I want it--I want my phonecall. --the Joker Mara Jade Forever
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/12 12:13pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	If I thought Dent was worthy of such an act DV, I'd agree with you but I don't think he was. He wasn't the white knight, he wasn't as good a man as he claimed to be. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 8/12 4:25pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Ah, but that's the thing. Batman didn't take the blame to protect Harvey Dent, he willingly took the blame for the murders to protect Harvey Dent's white knight image. Batman is the dark knight of Gotham, and if he's viewed as a murderer, so be it. But Batman can't go on forever, and just scaring folks, and hunting down the criminals doesn't fix the city itself, the city that produces criminals. In the comics, its different of course, but in this movie continuity, Batman is trying to fix the city itself, so that it won't produce more criminals or allow situations like the one that killed Bruce Wayne's parents. As Gordon said, they gambled on Dent to be the white knight to change Gotham, but the Joker tore Harvey down. This isn't just about Harvey Dent, Batman and the Joker are in a war for Gotham's soul, and when the people on those boats didn't kill each other, it showed that the people were closer to the Batman than to the Joker. However, Harvey Dent is a big part of that image too, so to keep the Joker from winning, Batman takes the blame. Gordon didn't want to blame it on Batman, but Batman is willing to let the police chase him, not that they'll ever catch him, even if the police were going all-out, so it preserves everything they've built up to this point. If it came out that Dent had gone insane, well, there goes all of the progress they had made. But instead, as far as the public knows, Dent dies a martyr in the war to save Gotham from itself. Batman is now known as a murderer, but Batman is the Dark Knight anyway, so that doesn't matter. The Batman wasn't meant to change Gotham and inspire it (at least in this movie), Batman is supposed to be the protector, the vigilante, the one who goes after the criminals, with Gordon as the official cop, and Dent as the possible, legal replacement for Batman. Dent fell apart, but Batman and Gordon remain, and are still carrying on the fight. Its a tragic ending (though it was a very poigant moment when Gordon had to smash the Bat-signal), especially with the girlfriend dead (annoying though she was), but that just spurs Batman on in his crusade, and the war goes on. Its not a happy ending, but its such a good story, I don't care. I can understand JB's point of view, but I like the tragedy of it. Especially as its partially intended, its not like RotS where the good guys lost and the best they can do is prepare to fight back in a few decades, Batman did it to keep the Joker from winning, and for now, Batman is winning, but the war goes on. Although still not sure if Lucius is still helping Batman or not, since Batman did kind of take Lucius' idea and turn it into a huge invasion of privacy, though Batman did promise to only use this kind of thing once for this kind of extreme situation, so I hope Lucius is still supporting Batman, he was great in the movie. And yeah, logically, for Cade to hide, changing his name from Cade would probably be a good start, maybe change his hair color too would be good, and everything else that's easily identifiable about him (especially all those tatoos), but as you said, CoW, Cade's probably partially conflicted. Mostly, he doesn't want to be involved in yet another round of the Jedi vs. Sith ongoing conflict, but as Luke so perfectly said, Cade's destiny will find him, just as Luke's destiny found him. Though there are moments that show that Cade still wants his teacher and father's approval. Cade's usually too big of a jerk to admit it, but on Ossus, he did seem sad when Wolf was sorta scolding him (after Cade's inital burst of anger). By the way, its probably kinda odd to mention this on a Star Wars board, but anyone heard the recent news about Star Trek Online, the new Star Trek MMO? And hopefully, the new company will actually finish it rather than collapse like the last one. Probably won't be out till next year or 2010, though. The first trailer for it is out though, and it looks excellent and supposedly, its all in-game footage too. I don't usually go for MMOs, due to the monthly fee (hard to get parents to pay for that kind of stuff), but I'm excited for this one. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 8/13 3:10pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I think, in the end, whilst I can appreciate what Nobody's arguing with the excellent analysis above and even agree with it, on an emotional level I dislike it. It was for this reason that Iron Man retained its crown by a very slight margin - I came out the cinema feeling happy, less so after Batman, despite its technical brilliance. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 8/14 2:23pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben I read Lucius walking away from the machine as it exploded as being 1) a safety measure - you don't stand near an exploding machine and 2) That it explodes revives Lucius' trust in Bruce. Lucius walked away rather slowly, I thought. And you could be right, I guess, but I would have liked a brief scene with Lucius and Bruce at the end, or a comment from Lucius after the thing exploded, maybe something like, "I never should have doubted you, Bruce," or something like that. He just could have spoken out-loud to himself. DeJade_Vu I thought it was very inspirational that a hero would be so self-sacrificing as to allow himself to be blamed for the wrongs committed by another man, so that the people could still have hope. I don't know, DJV. It still left me with a bitter taste in my mouth. It reminded me very much of the kinds of endings we get from Del Rey, particularly with LotF, where most of the characters survive, but that's about it. They've still lost so much, including family members and friends, and no one seems to give them much credit. For example, already the new CoS has hinted that she wants the Jedi to be a thing of the past, instead of being grateful to them for helping to end the fighting and negotiating a settlement. It's not a satisfying ending. The same is true of Batman. I don't like that now he's going to be on the run and is looked upon by everyone as the Enemy. I guess I'm just sick of stories in which either heroes go bad or are thought of as bad or undesireable. Jedi Ben If I thought Dent was worthy of such an act DV, I'd agree with you but I don't think he was. He wasn't the white knight, he wasn't as good a man as he claimed to be. I know. It's all just a big lie. Nobody145, nice analysis, but I feel like Ben. I just didn't like the ending. It was very unsatisfying. Plus, I really thought the movie was very violent. Cade's probably partially conflicted. Yes, that's what I think. Star Trek Online, the new Star Trek MMO? Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but what's a MMO?
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