Lord_Riven posted: posted: No, I won't stop. I find it laughable at best that he's a Sith, and I also think he's the stupidest Sith in history, the only other one coming close Maul. And Maul at least had the cool double lightsaber thing going for him .
posted: No, I won't stop. I find it laughable at best that he's a Sith, and I also think he's the stupidest Sith in history, the only other one coming close Maul.
Ulicus posted: I don't understand why they suddenly made the switch between "Jedi Master = Wise", to "Jedi Master = A Certain Power Level".
Nobody145 posted:For instance, take the classic Thrawn Trilogy compared to the last few novels. The final battle of the first two novels were fleet battles that were solved just as much by Han and Lando as by Luke (actually, mainly the latter two moreso, though Luke has his own infantry battle). In Inferno and Fury, it comes down to a lightsaber duel with Caedus in both books. I know the series is called Legacy of the Force, but that shouldn't mean the rest of the galaxy is chopped liver next to the Jedi. Heck, look as Zayne and Gryph, or Cade and his bounty hunter friends. I like having Leia as a fully trained Jedi, but it also firmly puts her under the Jedi category, instead of being resourceful regular person (though with a few Force tricks) like Han has been all his life. Although its nice to see Luke still in the spotlight, but there comes a time to just stick to managing and Grandmastering. Too bad that point was probably a few years back.
rebel_cheese posted:In all honesty, I haven't noticed a Jacen power drain. But at the same time, remember that Jacen is almost solely using the dark side now. It would make sense that he would have been stronger in the DNT because he was using both light and dark side powers and abilities freely and immersing himself in both creeds in the name of the Potentium. But now, he is resorting to just one side of the Force to become a Sith, and as a result he is going to be weaker in the Force because he's caught off access to several parts of the Force.
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:He is Jacen In Name Only.
The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted:RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:He is Jacen In Name Only. But, uh...he's not. There's your problem. He's not "Jacen In Name" at all anymore. Your phrase is outmoded, I'm afraid.
Just a post to everybody, what do you think was the best Luke book up to date ? has the SOS have any impact on the current status of Luke ?
Rather, a crazed genius. Capable of absolute brilliance and asinine mistakes at the same time.
Before Jacen completely lost it in the last three books, he was showing more flashes of brilliance and capability. Now he is making the asinine mistakes that will probably lead to his downfall.
And I think Caedus' stupid mistakes are just part of the normal fall to darkness/evil. Anakin (Skywalker) was never the brightest bulb, and he got a rude awakening of all his flaws when Obi-wan defeated him in a lightsaber duel, so he spent most of his time as Vader as... extremely bitter and grumpy. Caedus is at the point Anakin was when he was boasting about bringing "peace and security to my new Empire", huge ego and not smart enough to recognize that. Of course, Jacen made the extremely foolish mistake of thinking there can be such a thing as a good Sith. Even Luke never quite hit that low when he apprenticed to Palpatine briefly, as the whole time Luke just meant to infiltrate the darkside, to kill Palpatine and his clones. Jacen willingly embraced the Sith philosophy, especially as he's still on his "there is no darkside" kick.
And I view the Jedi Master title to mean a Jedi Knight has reached a certain level of experience. Tionne's a Master, so is Cighal, but neither are powerhouses like Luke or Kyp, but both are just as important to the Order as Luke or Kyp, so they more than deserve the title of Jedi Master. Power and skill probably have to do with one becoming "worthy" enough of being called a Jedi Master, but healing and research are also good enough reasons. Luke had to declare himself a Jedi Master as... there weren't really any Jedi around, so Luke had to move up from Knight sooner or later. 4,000 years ago Ulic said there wasn't any definite boundary for when one moved up from Knight to Master, and I like that idea, that Master isn't a matter of clocking enough Jedi hours or successful missions or something, there's just a certain indefinable border that you'll know you've passed it when you've passed it.
That is just silly, a very big flaw in the LOTF series. I don't see why would some Council members think Jacen should be given the rank of a Master. Yes, he may be quite powerful, but strength and the ability to manipulate do not make him worthy of the title. Ever since the ESB, the picture of the Jedi Master is someone wise, not necessarily visibly powerful. Like Yoda.
A good point. Personally, I like the Jedi a lot, but these days everything seems to be centered around them while the rest of the galaxy falls into the background. The old days of SW books were full of adventures where the Jedi cooperated with other people (like Zayne & co, for example). In LOTF, they seem to be cut off, distant from everyone else. At what point did the Order grow so much to forget the others, I wonder? Since NJO... But even in the Dark Nest, there was this cooperation - Jae & Tarfang, Ghent, Jag, etc. In LOTF, some good non-Force-using characters are rarity, unfortunately. Furthermore, the Luke's role in the Jedi Order is presented in a confusing way, especially in the Inferno. They way the Jedi depend on him doesn't really seem natural. Yes, he is a great Master, a person who established the Order anew and was the only hope in the galaxy. But those times are gone. The Order grew and evolved. Being a great fan of Luke, I still see him as a leader and a great advisor, but there must be other people among the Jedi who can think with their own heads. I just think that Luke thought his Jedi better than just to sit lazily and do nothing while he mourns and Jacen gloats walking around like a peacock. Luke is allowed to mourn, imo. It looked a bit miserable in the book, but he has that right. He may be uber Jedi Master, the most powerful person in the galaxy, but he is still only a human. The other Jedi should have done something. Both to help him go through the difficult situation he was in, and to stop the Order being so defenseless. None dared to act as if they all need Luke's permission to move even a little finger. Luke did a better job than that by forming the New Jedi Order, I just think the authors failed to show it.
The Sith don't deny themselves any aspect of the Force. They have, in the words of Dooku "both eyes open", it's the Jedi who keep one eye closed - and quite right, too
I think the more recent books have been rather shallow in terms of character development. They try to tell stories that are grand in scope, but they overlook some necessary character and plot development. The story is there but it just doesn't seem to be sharp. Or we see leaps in progress that don't spring from development. I really hope they return to a narrower focus in the near future.
SithLordKobe posted:The_Four_Dot_Elipsis posted:RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:He is Jacen In Name Only. But, uh...he's not. There's your problem. He's not "Jacen In Name" at all anymore. Your phrase is outmoded, I'm afraid. "NEJINA"!!!! (Not Even Jacen In Name Anymore)
well since we haven't seen many authors post in the thread, all I recall was John Ostrander, and seeing the Big 3 a bit more involve in the plot.(not necessarily a good thing in the wrong hands) otherwise I say we had little impact if any.
But, uh...he's not. There's your problem. He's not "Jacen In Name" at all anymore. Your phrase is outmoded, I'm afraid.
Why? Because he calls himself Caedus? Nope. I don't see a difference between pre-Caedus JINO and post-Caedus JINO. I never did the whole 'Sith is a totally different person'. Vader is still Anakin, Tyrannus is still Dooku.
I think that's what JINO should be. I don't think Darth names really have that much significance other than to themselves and their underlings.
MasterSkywalker86 posted:I don't know that we could tell anyway. It would be hard to identify whether the thread was a factor in the authors' decisions. well since we haven't seen many authors post in the thread, all I recall was John Ostrander, and seeing the Big 3 a bit more involve in the plot.(not necessarily a good thing in the wrong hands) otherwise I say we had little impact if any.
