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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 9/7 1:43am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I didn't even know we had a Pokemon banner... oh well, at least this one is a little easier on the eyes and doesn't make me want to scratch out my eyes to stop the pink-ness. And I guess the Cade banner is a little better than yesterday's banner, but not by much. The less reminders of who Cade has kissed, the better. CoW- I find the Skywalker incest tradition funny actually. And I was rereading NJO books since reading LotF books was too depressing. And at least with the Vong War, the Vong were actually sorta evil, and weren't just manipulated. A good deal of Clone Wars literature is of high quality, but I always cringe at how many of those stories seem like they end in victories, but we as readers know that it only just furthers Palpatine's plans. In those kind of situations, the best case scenario is that Sidious just dismisses any losses/gains as trivial, which... still isn't that happy. JB- Yeah, the Final Crisis Red Lanterns thing should be fun to read too, even if the evil corps looks like they're shaping up to be really evil and disturbing, but it'll be a good story probably. And of course, I'm curious to see whether they'll actually execute Sinestro. Maybe I'll get around to reading all those Reaves story sometimes. I just wish I had more freetime, but oh well, that's college. And yeah, the Defiant was awesome. And by Shadow Dreadnoughts, you mean the normal Shadow spidery things, right? Yeah, those were creepy. Though what they did to Anna Sheridan struck me as more creepy. Although when they stuck that tech on Earthforce ships, I thought that was a very creepy moment too, the combination of two things. Although as the Call to Arms movie noted, White Stars are great, but they're not really meant as battleships, they seem more like destroyers or cruisers, assuming I'm using naval terminology correctly. I liked how the Excalibur was an attempt at building a bigger hybrid technologies ship... too bad they've never finished that plot thread. I don't even think there's been any books that have concluded that search for a cure. And with the B5 franchise mostly dead, who knows if it'll ever have a proper ending. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/7 2:40am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, It does sound like it has all the right elements. * If you keep focusing on the kids element you may as well say adults shouldn't read Harry Potter either! Get the first one, it'll cost you as much as a SW book and probably be far more fun to read! I think he does Vader really well and really correctly. I saw a mention of Reaves being ill in a Corusant Nights thread. I hope it's nothing too serious. * It affected the second book with a few errors getting through that there has been much discussion over and then ended by Reaves' intervention. There aren't too many mysteries period in the EU. I liked the mysteries that Luke and Mara tried to solve in SQ. * There was that one, true. A Jack of all trades and Master of most! * And he has lasers in his hands! Yes, I agree. That's ridiculous. If that were possible, why didn't Vader just Force blast all of those X-wings attacking the Death Star. It's just too unbelievable and undesireable. If Force sensitives are that powerful, they would be invincible. * And killed at birth quite probably. Does sound like a possibility. * Well, the starting point is a story called Green Lantern: Rebirth. Nobody, Yeah, the Final Crisis Red Lanterns thing should be fun to read too, even if the evil corps looks like they're shaping up to be really evil and disturbing, but it'll be a good story probably. And of course, I'm curious to see whether they'll actually execute Sinestro. * I doubt Sinestro will actually be executed, unless he is to later become a Black Lantern. And yeah, the Defiant was awesome. And by Shadow Dreadnoughts, you mean the normal Shadow spidery things, right? Yeah, those were creepy. * Yup, the ones that use humans as their processors. Though what they did to Anna Sheridan struck me as more creepy. * Yeah and I really loved Sheridan's response to that: He nukes Z'Ha'Dum! Although when they stuck that tech on Earthforce ships, I thought that was a very creepy moment too, the combination of two things. * They did just look utterly wrong, didn't they? I did like the response though, the White Stars pounded the hell out of them. Although as the Call to Arms movie noted, White Stars are great, but they're not really meant as battleships, they seem more like destroyers or cruisers, assuming I'm using naval terminology correctly. I liked how the Excalibur was an attempt at building a bigger hybrid technologies ship... too bad they've never finished that plot thread. I don't even think there's been any books that have concluded that search for a cure. And with the B5 franchise mostly dead, who knows if it'll ever have a proper ending. * Probably never. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 9/7 1:00pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145 The less reminders of who Cade has kissed, the better. Now that's an excellent point! And I was rereading NJO books since reading LotF books was too depressing. LOL! Now THAT'S a really funny comment! I know that I found the NJO books to be extremely depressing and unsatisfying. Now though, one can almost look back on that period nostalgically! And at least with the Vong War, the Vong were actually sorta evil, and weren't just manipulated. Yes, and at least the good guys didn't have to battle their own family members. As I've said since Betrayal, the Skywalkers and Solos have been through so much tragedy, sadness, and so many struggles, but at least they had one another for support and comfort. LotF changed all of that in a very bad way. A good deal of Clone Wars literature is of high quality, but I always cringe at how many of those stories seem like they end in victories, I understand what you're saying. I never did like the CLone wars period, not even in the films. But I also don't like to go backwards to "fill in the blanks", because the reader/audience basically knows what's going to happen in the future, and that colors the way they perceive the books/films. I think that's one of the main reasons I didn't like the prequel films. It's also a reason why I'm afraid I might not enjoy Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor as much as I would if it took place after LotF. Because I already know Luke's future and how despite all that he has done, he still ends up with a very unhappy future. Jedi Ben * If you keep focusing on the kids element you may as well say adults shouldn't read Harry Potter either! Get the first one, it'll cost you as much as a SW book and probably be far more fun to read! I'll think about it. Who's the author so I know how to find it? And who is the author of Bones again? * It affected the second book with a few errors getting through that there has been much discussion over and then ended by Reaves' intervention. So Reaves is okay now? * And he has lasers in his hands! Yeah, he provides excellent defense! * And killed at birth quite probably. Probably, yes. There are a couple of things in the CN books that I have questions about. The first is, wasn't it thought that the Sith didn't exist for a long, long time? That's why the Republic was so successful for so long, and why the Jedi thought they didn't need to fear the sith, isn't it? Yet Typho, (in the section I'm currently reading) decided that Padme (and Anakin) must have been killed by a Sith on Mustafar. So he certainly seems to think that they exist, and even that maybe there are many of them. Am I wrong about that? The second question is: has it now been confirmed that Padme was killed through Force choking? That's certainly what made sense to me and that's the way I think of it, but I thought George Lucas' reason for Padme's death was "a broken heart". So has this been retconned? Does everyone now believe what I believe? As far as I'm concerned, I've always felt that Anakin Skywalker did indeed kill Padme with his Force choke. I mean, she was alive and well until he choked her...and then she died. For me, there was never any question. I guess I'm just surprised that this is the way it now seems to be viewed in-universe as well. Unless, of course, something is said later in the book to oppose that view. * Well, the starting point is a story called Green Lantern: Rebirth. I'll look into it.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/7 2:55pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, I'll think about it. Who's the author so I know how to find it? And who is the author of Bones again? * You're after Bone: Vol 1: Out From Boneville by Jeff Smith. So Reaves is okay now? * Not sure, hopefully he's getting better. Yet Typho, (in the section I'm currently reading) decided that Padme (and Anakin) must have been killed by a Sith on Mustafar. So he certainly seems to think that they exist, and even that maybe there are many of them. Am I wrong about that? * My pet theory is that Sidious makes Vader a very publicly known Sith, so any assassinations will go to him and leave himself unscathed. The second question is: has it now been confirmed that Padme was killed through Force choking? That's certainly what made sense to me and that's the way I think of it, but I thought George Lucas' reason for Padme's death was "a broken heart". So has this been retconned? * There's a major debate on that involving a levels of canon idiocy that I cannot stomach, others are welcome to debate it, I'm too old for that crap now. I'll look into it. * I just checked and there's a very well-written intro page that covers the cast of characters, it summarises who they are, what they did and where they are now. Should you end up enjoying Rebirth there are a number of stories that follow it and I can advise on the order to read them in. Green Lantern Rebirth is the start of a story that will conclude next year, but like B5, it works by each story concluding and the next one building on it. It is one of the best examples of pure superheroics going. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 9/7 7:50pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	ChildOfWinds: * What stands out about the run is the coldness of the stories, even though we support Castle, he is cold character. His world is a permanently grey and dismal one. In doing this Ennis carefully strips away the glamour of the vigilante hero and instead presents a very sharp reality. It's excellent work but not for everyone. This doesn't sound like something I'd be interested in. I've read more than enough cold characters with grey and dismal worlds lately! I've never been a fan of the Punisher either, Windy. Way too psychotic/homicidal. Hi, Striker! You've been missed in SOS Lit too! Sorry, Windy. I don't feel too welcome there anymore. Yeah. Leia and Han spent the majority of their live fighting against tyranny like Fel's Empire. To have their daughter join in the formation of it... haven't they suffered enough? They've already suffered FAR MORE than enough! And a good majority of it... is author fiat and makes little/no sense, IU or OOU. And Crystal Star didn't kill any major characters; nor did it change the surviving characters' lives forever... Invincible did that in a most disturbing and sad way. If Crystal Star was written under Del rey, Anakin and Luke would've been Waru chow, along with Lusa! That's what I* want to know. I also want to know why they thought this was a good idea or would be well received. Why do they keep on killing off characters and wrecking others???* Beyond our feelings, it's bad business sense. Who are they gonna write about? With no credbility, the heroes can't be taken seriously by the readers. Will it have a happy ending? I still want to read ALL of it! I just hate reading stories from the computer so I keep postponing it. I've enjoyed everything I've read so far. Is Rebel Cheese still writing? I've missed seeing his posts in the two SOS threads too lol, I'm writing it. Of course it'll have a happy ending. Rebel Cheese is... part-time, now. His interest in SW has waned a bit, kinda like me. And he liked the NJO too. Has a bad feeling No, they certainly haven't. AND, they haven't even created all that many new characters. Alema, Danni, a bunch from the LOTF... I think only Jag's made out good. At the expense of Zekk, of course. I hate that she abandoned Cade. I also hate the fact that since she's Calixte, she's responsible for the death of Kol and all the other Jedi. After all, she's the one who conspired with the Sith. Of course, the fact that Calixte and Morrigan are one and the same also means that Gunner is Cade's half sister...or maybe full sister? Is it possible that she was pregnant when she left Kol and hooked up with the Imperial guy? Ugh, that's right! And she's so cold, she probably doesn't care about Kol. Who's Gunner? I wonder if Luke will EVER find out about Nelani? Nelani should've showed up. "Hey, psycho boy ganked me on that asteroid! Hello? Yeah, JINO." All excellent questions, but I'm sure we'll never get a decent answer. We never got a sensible answer about why the series was called Legacy of the Force either. Rostoni made some really strange comment about not being able to comment because it involved a lot of people and she wasn't going to talk out of turn at the water cooler or something like that. And this was after the series was already over! She's one of the top LF people. If anyone could talk about it, it's her. A sad excuse there. Because they made it very ambiguous about whether Jacen redeemed himself in the last second of his life by trying to warn Tenel Ka about a toxin or something that affected only Hapans. I think the author may have said something about wanting people to make up their own minds or something like that. Oh, how freakin' stupid is that. Nobody145: First of all... my eeeeyyyeeesss!!! Why do they buuuuurrrnnnnrn?!? LOL. I don't mind the pink too much. My favorite anime's Sailor Moon, after all. Yeah, its a tired old subject, but it is sad how there really is no next generation left. It's not tired, IMHO. It's relevant to SW's future, there. This isn't Transformers where you can do a simple reboot for the next toy line. SW has one continuity. There's Ben and... well, out of the YJKs, only Jaina, and maybe Raynar (as at least he's still alive), and Tenel Ka though she is tied up indefinitely with ruling Hapes, and Tahiri's probably going to end up like Raynar (maybe mentioned a few times in the next series, but mailny sidelined). In some ways, Anakin, Lusa and Lyric were the lucky ones. That's another reason I like Legacy, evne if the GA has fallen, at least there's a next generation, even if Cade isn't really likable, and the Fels are Imperials. Not entirely sure why I remain a Cade/Sia shipper though... oh well, I like the idea of the princess and the rogue, and then there's the Skywalker incest tradition to continue of course (though Gunner could probably fulfill that role too, since the Fel's ancestry is still a bit murky, though very probably tied to the Skywalkers). It's weird I like it, too. It's Legacy... but I'm reading it. Shrugs I like Cade. I like his crew. I'll try to get around to PMing you later with TFU spoilers, or maybe I won't. Just suffice to say... you know how Kyle Katarn, Revan and the Jedi Exile, as the main characters of video games, end up as the most powerful, strongest, how they beat up everybody? And its all canonical? The Secret Apprentice is sorta like that, and unlike with Revan or the Exile, it happens shortly before the OT. If you don't know much about TFU, I won't bother spoiling you, ignorance is bliss. ... Headdesk Revan, Kyle and the Exile have reasons and excuses for being as powerful as they are. Right before the kriffin' OT???? Yeah, ignorance is bliss there. Jedi Ben: * Marvel have recently started something similar too. Although the books I'm citing are Brit-created! Still a cool idea, though. Oh, a question, if I may. Say the Transformers woke up in the GFFA. New Republic era where the NJO didn't happen. How do you think they'd react to the treatment droids get? It's a plot bunny I've gotten recently. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 9/9 12:57am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 9/9 12:58am (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	CoW When I refer to NJO books, I was actually referring to the last few ones, specifically the Last Prophecy and TUF, and TUF at least is mostly acknowledged as a pretty good book, I think. Mainly I reread them as my memory of how the Vong War ended were a bit fuzzy, but also to read some Star Wars books with hope in them. Yes, I know that doesn't apply to most of the NJO series, but TUF at least was pretty hopeful, all things considering. Things were still on edge for most of TUF, but there was an actual chance things could turn out alright without too much sacrifice of everybody's ethics and too many lives. Besides, as we all know, if we thought the early NJO was hopeless, well, LotF easily topped all those moments I felt. So yes, I feel calling NJO books not too depressing (compared to LotF at least) is a somewhat accurate, if very sad, statement. I'm still looking forward to Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, even if for some reason the title reminds me a bit too much of Harry Potter. Oh well, it does sound like one of the old Han Solo and Lando Calrissian Adventures which should be a good thing. True, its not set after LotF, so we know Luke's future, but not sure how happy one can write Luke after LotF. Even if Luke moves on with his life, there's always the specter of Mara's death. So at least in Mindor, that'll be before all that. I liked Allegiance well enough as a nice Original Trilogy story. Mindor is set one of the brightest time periods, the (short-lived) New Republic era. On the Typho thinking Anakin and Padme were killed by a Sith- haven't read those books yet, sorry, but while it was thought the Sith were gone, Darth Maul and Darth Tyrannus had just popped up somewhat recently and somewhat publically. Maul did show up in person on Naboo personally, so maybe he found out from those reports. And there's still debate over how Padme died? I thought it was mostly clear in the movie that Vader didn't actually fatally wound her with the Force-choke, but it seemed more like she had just lost the will to live. Though who knows what they'll retcon these days. JB Yeah, Sheridan nuking Z'ha'dum was an awesome moment. Even if some books since then have tried to retcon that moment a little bit. Did you read the Technomage trilogy? I only glanced through it, but I already disliked how it didn't seem to mesh with the TV show exactly. Though what I'm most tired of with tie-in media (for B5, Star Wars, and even some anime), is how in the show/movie, it looks like they did something, then it turns out there was this other character off-screen that actually allowed the main character to succeed. Star Wars EU has unfortunately been a bit... heavy with those kind of instances. And B5 White Stars are awesome, but sometimes I wonder if they're not a bit overpowered for their size. Oh well, they're not that heavily armored, so they're sorta like a very fast flying medium-strength cannon. Several of them could combined could almost hold off a Shadow vessel. And while the White Stars destroyed those Earthforce hybrid destroyers, they took heavy losses I think. Oh well, at least if Ivanova had to leave (though I think I read somewhere that it was due more to her agent rather than the actress herself that the character left the show), she left with a bang. RK_Striker Its really sad when death is a better end for some characters rather than how some other next generation characters have ended, isn't it? At least Anakin, and Chewie for that matter, died heroically. When was that too much to ask for in a fictional story, I wonder... And oh, you like Sailor Moon, so the pink hearts won't burn your eyes too much though. How about the Pokemon anime theme? Transformers related- Sorry to jump into the Transformers discussion, I can't really resist. Anyway, not quite sure how GFFA tech would compare to Transformer tech. While Transformers can achieve escape velocity and have faster than light travel, not sure if they could take on 1.6km ships that easily. Though there was this silly New Avengers/Transformer crossover a while ago, but at the time, the New Avengers didn't really have many hard-hitters of the Marvel Universe (Spiderman vs. a Transformer?... yeah, that's not going to end well). Though while Transformers could probably hurt Star Destroyers badly, having a few ships crash on top of them would probably hurt. Transformers vs. Jedi, that might be interesting to watch, if it were done Clone Wars (the old cartoon series) style. Imagine Luke deflecting a blast from Megatron, that would be worth watching (I'd be betting on Luke). -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/9 2:38pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Yeah, Sheridan nuking Z'ha'dum was an awesome moment. Even if some books since then have tried to retcon that moment a little bit. Did you read the Technomage trilogy? I only glanced through it, but I already disliked how it didn't seem to mesh with the TV show exactly. * Yeah, didn't care much for it on similar grounds. And B5 White Stars are awesome, but sometimes I wonder if they're not a bit overpowered for their size. Oh well, they're not that heavily armored, so they're sorta like a very fast flying medium-strength cannon. * A Vorlon cannon, don't forget! Several of them could combined could almost hold off a Shadow vessel. And while the White Stars destroyed those Earthforce hybrid destroyers, they took heavy losses I think. * Remember that those destroyers were not just armoured with Shadowtech, they had the weaponry as well. Oh well, at least if Ivanova had to leave (though I think I read somewhere that it was due more to her agent rather than the actress herself that the character left the show), she left with a bang. * Yep, I thought Ivanova made a very good fleet commander, the sequence between her and James before that battle is very well done. Both have been in the other's position, she knows he's been a Captain longer and respects that while he recognises she is command. * Moving on to comics: Marvel have finally found a way to near-kill my fast-waning enthusiasm with: DARK REIGN! Yes, following the impact of Secret Invasion, not only will there be War Of Kings but also Dark Reign which will see....wait for it....A new Avengers title called....Dark Avengers! As a comic fan I have a high tolerance for tacky, cheesy and crappily melodramatic titles but Dark Avengers is the kind of title that I, and no doubt numerous others, will be ripping the proverbial out of for ages! At this point I just find Marvel to be a continual helterskelter of sound and fury that amounts to little. My primary concern is how this will affect the core 5-6 Marvel titles I'm buying - I know Captain Britain is fine, but I wonder about Cap and Thor. The best news was Millar on Ultimate Avengers, that'll be fun. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 9/10 9:28pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi Ben I know how to find it? And who is the author of Bones again? Thanks, JB. * My pet theory is that Sidious makes Vader a very publicly known Sith, so any assassinations will go to him and leave himself unscathed. I just didn't realize that it was "public knowledge" that the Sith were back. * There's a major debate on that involving a levels of canon idiocy that I cannot stomach, others are welcome to debate it, I'm too old for that crap now. LOL ! You're SUCH an OLD geezer! I still say that it makes more sense that Anakin killed her with his Force choke than that she was physically okay but lost the will to live as those "quack" doctors said. What new mother, with twin infants who need her would lose the will to live in the first place??? I finished the second CN book. I was surprised by the killer. Once again, we got the happy surprise that Laranth had survived at the end. This series reminds me of Bantam days where the endings were happy, satisfying ones. I'm really looking forward to the last book of this trilogy. Does anyone know if more books with these characters are planned for the future? RK_Striker_JK_5 : Hi, Striker! You've been missed in SOS Lit too! Sorry, Windy. I don't feel too welcome there anymore. STRIKER!!! You're ALWAYS welcome in SOS! If Crystal Star was written under Del rey, Anakin and Luke would've been Waru chow, along with Lusa! You're probably right! Beyond our feelings, it's bad business sense. Who are they gonna write about? With no credbility, the heroes can't be taken seriously by the readers. And there are fewer and fewer characters all the time. lol, I'm writing it. Of course it'll have a happy ending. Great! Rebel Cheese is... part-time, now. His interest in SW has waned a bit, kinda like me. And he liked the NJO too. Has a bad feeling I can't say that I blame him. He was one of those who was very optimistic for a very long time. But when things are constantly depressing and sad and hopeless in a universe one once loved, it's hard to stay enthusiastic. If even RC is losing interest, LFL and Del Rey may be in big trouble. I think only Jag's made out good. At the expense of Zekk, of course. And I don't think that Captain Cardboard is all that interesting of a character. And she's so cold, she probably doesn't care about Kol. When she looked in that holo in the necklace as Morrigan, it seemed that she did care about Kol. But she certainly didn't seem to care much in her other personna. And since she's the one who brought the Sith in, she's responsible for Kol's death and the deaths of all the other Jedi. Who's Gunner? Gunner is the daughter of Callixte and her Imperial ex-husband who is Gunner's superior officer. Gunner is the leader of Skull Squadron. Since she's Callixte's daughter and Cade is Morrigan's son, and since Callixte IS Morrigan, Gunner and Cade are brother and sister. (half brother and sister anyway) She's one of the top LF people. If anyone could talk about it, it's her. A sad excuse there. Yes, extremely lame. It's my theory that they named it that when they planned to have Ben be the major hero. Then after the series had started, when they compressed the timeframe and Ben was too young to be the hero, they were already committed to the Legacy of the Force title, so it was too late to change it. Because they made it very ambiguous about whether Jacen redeemed himself in the last second of his life by trying to warn Tenel Ka about a toxin or something that affected only Hapans. I think the author may have said something about wanting people to make up their own minds or something like that. Oh, how freakin' stupid is that. Yeah, as I said, what is this a "Pick your own ending" book? When I read a series, I'd kind of like to know for sure what the ending was supposed to be. I don't want to guess or to decide for myself what the author had in mind. It's not tired, IMHO. It's relevant to SW's future, there. This isn't Transformers where you can do a simple reboot for the next toy line. SW has one continuity. And maybe a reboot is in order for SW too. Oh, a question, if I may. Say the Transformers woke up in the GFFA. New Republic era where the NJO didn't happen. How do you think they'd react to the treatment droids get? It's a plot bunny I've gotten recently. Sorry, Striker. I don't know the Transformers, so I'm afraid I can't help you. Nobody145 When I refer to NJO books, I was actually referring to the last few ones, specifically the Last Prophecy and TUF, and TUF at least is mostly acknowledged as a pretty good book, I think. Oh, okay. I did like TUF. I think it was a good ending to an otherwise pretty terrible series. but also to read some Star Wars books with hope in them. YEs, at least TUF was hopeful. The future looked much brighter. Who knew how bad things were going to get in DN and LotF. if we thought the early NJO was hopeless, well, LotF easily topped all those moments I felt. Yes, I can agree with that, unfortunately. I'm still looking forward to Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, I am too, with some reservations. I'm hoping Stover won't make it too dark and overly graphic in violence. I'm also afraid that knowing what happens in the future may "color" my reading of it. I don't really like "prequels" that much usually, because I already know what's going to happen in the characters' futures. The title doesn't bother me though. but not sure how happy one can write Luke after LotF. Even if Luke moves on with his life, there's always the specter of Mara's death. You're right. I'm afraid Luke will always be pretty melancholy in all future books. Maul did show up in person on Naboo personally, so maybe he found out from those reports. That's a good point. And there's still debate over how Padme died? I thought it was mostly clear in the movie that Vader didn't actually fatally wound her with the Force-choke, but it seemed more like she had just lost the will to live. Though who knows what they'll retcon these days. I actually would welcome a retcon there as I never "bought" that explanation. Why would she lose the will to live when she had just given birth to two beautiful babies who had no one else but her? Yeah, Sheridan nuking Z'ha'dum was an awesome moment. Even if some books since then have tried to retcon that moment a little bit. They've "retconned" that??? HOw? WHY? . Oh well, at least if Ivanova had to leave (though I think I read somewhere that it was due more to her agent rather than the actress herself that the character left the show), she left with a bang. I really liked her and I was really upset that she didn't continue. I was also not happy that Marcus was killed off. They should have been allowed to have a future together.
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 9/11 1:16am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	JB Yeah, I know White Stars were partially Vorlon technology, but I was never sure their weapons were definitely Vorlon tech or not too. Minbari ships are pretty advanced too. The Excalibur's main guns were very powerful, but took lots and lots of power, whereas White Stars weaqpons were pretty easy for them to handle by that point. And were the Earthforce Shadow hybrids using Shadow weapons too? I thought they just had the standard cannons mounted on the hull. I can't remember exactly, I don't think they did the "big laser sweeping around and cutting ships apart" that Shadow ships were known to do. Not to mention that they were still using the same old Starfuries. I've got to dig that episode out later. And oh dear, here comes the next Marvel event. I don't expect it to be that good of another event, not after how the last... three, four events have gone. Oh well, what do you expect from Marvel? And damn, another Avenger series?! Oh, who could be writing it, hm.... yeah, like that's going to be hard to guess, considering who's written just about every single piece of Avengers stuff for the last four, five years. Well, except for Avengers Initiative, which is probably why the Initiative is one of the better books Marvel is publishing. Oh, by the way, the next Secret Invasion came out again and... well, I didn't buy it of course, since I'm not wasting my money on it, but sounds like more waste of time, though the last few pages I heard/seen have been almost decent. But a review I read compared it to House of M, with how issues #2-5 were mainly a waste of time and paper, and I'm mostly expecting the last two issues to be the same. I don't care much for the Ultimate universe, so not too excited about that news, sorry. Though on the DC side, the next Final Crisis issue has unfortunately been delayed even more, only a week or two, but still. Oh well, at least the art will be good. Or rather, it had better be really good. By the way, are you reading Green Lantern Corps? Far bigger cast than GL, but its a pretty good book too. And the finale to Secret Origins should be pretty good, although I wonder how much more of the Hal Jordan and Sinestro history they'll retcon/adjust. I know Sinestro is on death row on Oa at the moment, but I'm half expecting him to have an escape plan, or whether he'll die thinking he's changed the Corps for the better (with the new rules, and with how the Guardians really are predictable), something will barge in (and with the Red Lanterns and Secret Origins, it looks like something will interupt his execution) or whether the Guardians will not kill him, as they might need him for the upcoming War of Light and the Blackest Night. The Blackest Night teaser did mention fear and willpower having to join forces, I think? CoW To answer CoW's question about the B5 retcon... well, there was a Technomage trilogy of books a while ago, and during those books, I think it was Galen (that Technomage who later shows up in the short-lived Crusade) happened to be interfacing with Z'ha'dum's defense system when Sheridan was there, and that if Galen hadn't been there to override the defense system, the White Star wouldn't have made it to the surface, or something like that. Whicih... really kills how cool Sheridan's strike initially was. In Star Wars terms, its like... well, let's say if there was this piece of EU stuff that said that during Luke's attack run on the Death Star, there was something else that might've stopped Luke, say a secret defense system, something aside from Vader who was sorta taken out by Han (or rather Vader's wingman panicked), and that if this other character hadn't happened to be there at the right time to interfere with this secret defense system, then Luke wouldn't have succeeded (taking the Force out of the equation for a moment, as I'm comparing this to B5). That would've lessened how it happened in the movie, right? The recent Death Star book sorta did that too, with how it assigned names to way too many extras who just appeared in a few shots in the movie. Not to mention that in the book, when Anna Sheridan was taken out of the Shadow ship, she was essentially... mindless, all she wanted was to be put back into the ship, and there was nothing left of the original Anna. She had to be coached how to act like her original self by Morden of all people?! And I'm mostly sure this contradicts how it happened in the TV series, since if Sheridan could've simply asked her "oh, what did we do at a certain time on a certain planet", the whole "lure Sheridan to Z'ha'dum plan" would've fallen apart. Its not like Morden could've told Anna about all of her old memories. Wait... not sure if in the book she had her old memories or not, I kinda gave up on that book pretty quickly. But still, its kind of annoying to read that, since in the TV series she seemed somewhat... autonomous, if completely loyal to the Shadows, but in the book, she's just pretending to be like that so that her masters will reward her by putting her back in a Shadow vessel or something like that. And I'm mostly sure that Vader being a Sith was publically known. Vader definitely wasn't a Jedi, so the red lightsaber would definitely indicate Sith, or something like that to most people. I can't think of any instances off-hand where people referred to Vader as a Sith, sorry, but I think there's a quote on Wikipedia where some Imp officer complains that the Emperor never should've trusted a Sith Lord (in relation to how Vader killed Palpatine), which is pretty funny if you think about it. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/11 2:53pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	COW, I just didn't realize that it was "public knowledge" that the Sith were back. * My take on it is two-fold: 1) No Jedi, thus no need to hide it. 2) It doesn't matter if people know what a Sith is or don't it sounds scary so cue Sidious: This is my second-in-command, Darth Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith. * That people will assume Vader is THE Sith is a bonus for Sid. LOL ! You're SUCH an OLD geezer! * You asked for this for...Aren't you older? I finished the second CN book. I was surprised by the killer. Once again, we got the happy surprise that Laranth had survived at the end. This series reminds me of Bantam days where the endings were happy, satisfying ones. I'm really looking forward to the last book of this trilogy. Does anyone know if more books with these characters are planned for the future? * Don't know, guess it'll depend on both how Reaves concludes the arc and how good the sale have been. Who'd have thought you'd like a couple of Dark Times books so much? Nobody, Yeah, I know White Stars were partially Vorlon technology, but I was never sure their weapons were definitely Vorlon tech or not too. Minbari ships are pretty advanced too. * Yep, but not enough to destroy a Shadow Dreadnought, which a White Star can do at full power with just about every other system shuit down. The Excalibur's main guns were very powerful, but took lots and lots of power, whereas White Stars weaqpons were pretty easy for them to handle by that point. * That's more reflective of Earth-Minbari technology not being up to powering Vorlon -style weaponry though, or so I'd reckon. And were the Earthforce Shadow hybrids using Shadow weapons too? I thought they just had the standard cannons mounted on the hull. I can't remember exactly, I don't think they did the "big laser sweeping around and cutting ships apart" that Shadow ships were known to do. * They had weaponry very similar to that used by the Drakh, which shouldn't be a surprise as they were linked to Clark's regime. Not to mention that they were still using the same old Starfuries. I've got to dig that episode out later. * It's still a great piece of work over a decade later. And oh dear, here comes the next Marvel event. I don't expect it to be that good of another event, not after how the last... three, four events have gone. Oh well, what do you expect from Marvel? * This time Marvel really needed to bring their arc to a conclusion, DC has I think, got a far better idea of which way the wind's blowing on this issue. And damn, another Avenger series?! Oh, who could be writing it, hm.... yeah, like that's going to be hard to guess, considering who's written just about every single piece of Avengers stuff for the last four, five years. * Yep. The strange thing is I still find Bendis on Powers and USM to be great, it seems that on Avengers that he's just ill-suited to it. Well, except for Avengers Initiative, which is probably why the Initiative is one of the better books Marvel is publishing. * I didn't care for it, probably because I found it to be just plain nasty - which I put up with in NA as I thought it was actually leading somewhere! Though on the DC side, the next Final Crisis issue has unfortunately been delayed even more, only a week or two, but still. Oh well, at least the art will be good. Or rather, it had better be really good. * Jones and Pacheco WILL look good. By the way, are you reading Green Lantern Corps? * Of course! Far bigger cast than GL, but its a pretty good book too. * The Battle of Mogo in Sinestro Corps was a brilliant sequence, the GL Corpse was a good earlier arc too. And the finale to Secret Origins should be pretty good, although I wonder how much more of the Hal Jordan and Sinestro history they'll retcon/adjust. I know Sinestro is on death row on Oa at the moment, but I'm half expecting him to have an escape plan, or whether he'll die thinking he's changed the Corps for the better (with the new rules, and with how the Guardians really are predictable), something will barge in (and with the Red Lanterns and Secret Origins, it looks like something will interupt his execution) or whether the Guardians will not kill him, as they might need him for the upcoming War of Light and the Blackest Night. The Blackest Night teaser did mention fear and willpower having to join forces, I think? * Yep, I'd suspect the story is continued in the Final Crisis special then back to GL / GLC. The way DC are doing this super story with just two titles is exemplary practice. Although it looks likely that the Superman books are getting a major boost soon too. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 9/11 4:29pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody145: Even if some books since then have tried to retcon that moment a little bit. Wait, how was it retconned? Its really sad when death is a better end for some characters rather than how some other next generation characters have ended, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And it's not even 'good' deaths like Obi-Wan or Yoda. It's 'Thank God, my character won't be assassinated anymore!" And oh, you like Sailor Moon, so the pink hearts won't burn your eyes too much though. How about the Pokemon anime theme? Dude, I'm fifnishing up a Sailor Moon/YJK crossoveer on the beyond boards. That was nothing! Pokemna, not too much. Never got into it, so meh. Sorry to jump into the Transformers discussion, I can't really resist. Actually, it was for anyone who wanted to. Anyway, not quite sure how GFFA tech would compare to Transformer tech. I really think there's some Transformers who could solo Blizzard Force from ESB, lemme put it to you that way. Megatron's cannon seems to be the equivelant of a turbolaser cannon! While Transformers can achieve escape velocity and have faster than light travel, not sure if they could take on 1.6km ships that easily.[/i\] Yeah. Individual transformers. Let's see what happens when their capital ships come into play... [i]Transformers vs. Jedi, that might be interesting to watch, if it were done Clone Wars (the old cartoon series) style. Imagine Luke deflecting a blast from Megatron, that would be worth watching (I'd be betting on Luke). lol, in the crossover I wrote, I posited midi-chlorians as actually being energon, created by Primus. And I'm not just talking about fighting. What would Prime do if he saw how Han treated Threepio? WHat would their reactions be to restraining bolts or memory wipes? To answer CoW's question about the B5 retcon... well, there was a Technomage trilogy of books a while ago, and during those books, I think it was Galen (that Technomage who later shows up in the short-lived Crusade) happened to be interfacing with Z'ha'dum's defense system when Sheridan was there, and that if Galen hadn't been there to override the defense system, the White Star wouldn't have made it to the surface, or something like that. Whicih... really kills how cool Sheridan's strike initially was. Yeah. That... really sucks. I haven't seen B5 in years, but come on! ChildOfWinds: I still say that it makes more sense that Anakin killed her with his Force choke than that she was physically okay but lost the will to live as those "quack" doctors said. What new mother, with twin infants who need her would lose the will to live in the first place??? Well... it is the prequels. Especially ROTS, where everyone lost something. Anakin lost his common sense. Why not Padme her spine? STRIKER!!! You're ALWAYS welcome in SOS! Thanks. Although I'm talking about the boards in general... And there are fewer and fewer characters all the time. And in as big a franchise as SW, that's not smart. Some people say, "Well, they can always create more character!" Thing is, those new characters have little credibility, whereas older, more established characters have that weight. I can't say that I blame him. He was one of those who was very optimistic for a very long time. But when things are constantly depressing and sad and hopeless in a universe one once loved, it's hard to stay enthusiastic. If even RC is losing interest, LFL and Del Rey may be in big trouble. I think so, too. I wanna gloat... but the EU still means too much to me. And I don't think that Captain Cardboard is all that interesting of a character. No, he wasn't. At least Zekk could exist independently of Jaina... in the YJK. Grumblegrumble... Cardboard? Nope. When she looked in that holo in the necklace as Morrigan, it seemed that she did care about Kol. But she certainly didn't seem to care much in her other personna. And since she's the one who brought the Sith in, she's responsible for Kol's death and the deaths of all the other Jedi. Sounds like she's got multip0le personality disorder, there. Gunner is the daughter of Callixte and her Imperial ex-husband who is Gunner's superior officer. Gunner is the leader of Skull Squadron. Since she's Callixte's daughter and Cade is Morrigan's son, and since Callixte IS Morrigan, Gunner and Cade are brother and sister. (half brother and sister anyway) Oh, I remember her. Thanks, Windy. She was flying those God-awful TIE variants, IIRC. Yes, extremely lame. It's my theory that they named it that when they planned to have Ben be the major hero. Then after the series had started, when they compressed the timeframe and Ben was too young to be the hero, they were already committed to the Legacy of the Force title, so it was too late to change it. Makes more sense than anything else. Shrug A rather pathetic and badly-named series, there. Par for the course, sadly. Yeah, as I said, what is this a "Pick your own ending" book? When I read a series, I'd kind of like to know for sure what the ending was supposed to be. I don't want to guess or to decide for myself what the author had in mind. In some stories, vagueness is acceptable. This is not one of them. And one little thought does not a murderer redeem. Sorry, Striker. I don't know the Transformers, so I'm afraid I can't help you. lol, it's okay, Windy. Transformers are... an acquired taste. You're right. I'm afraid Luke will always be pretty melancholy in all future books. Yeah, dead wife killed by nephew. Headdesk Gee, let's rub salt in his wound next! -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 9/12 12:43am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 9/12 12:45am (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	JB Marvel actually has an arc? Its always felt like one big smashfest after another. Civil War ended with the wrong side winning, the Hulk smash things event ended... well, also as a pretty bad story, and didn't even serve to unite the heroes against the Hulk, since they all fell, and after that, it was back to registered vs. non-registered. Then the Skrulls make it sounds like they've been planning this for a while, ruining a lot of character moments from Spider-woman and Pym (sorta like with Harry Potter, but done far more incompetently), and they launch their invasion after Thor returns? Oh sure, great planning there. The last SI issue is more of the same rubbish, as we see just how bright the "normal" people in the MU are (if you read the issue, or see scans, you'll probably understand the reference). And now they're already talking about another event? This is ridiculous. At least DC hasn't done anything like announce a new Crisis. Sinestro Corps War was at least presented as part of a trilogy, and its all part of a big overarching Green Lantern epic, not just one event after another. I just read the recent GLC issue, and its pretty good. Lays some more groundwork for the future, but its just a great cast of characters. RK_Striker Hm, it would be interesting to see debates about how artificial life is treated in Star Wars, but not sure the droids would protest that much. Droids in Star Wars are much more bound by their programming than Transformers are bound by any programming instincts. I mean, sure, Threepio complains, but its not like he can actually harm anyone ever, right? I remember reading a protocol droid description long ago, probably either in the old or New Essential Guide to Droids, that explains that protocol droids know they are helpless, so they do their best to avoid being destroyed by trying to ingratiate themselves with everyone they meet... and all of their efforst fail miserably. Autobots would probably just negotiate. Decepticons would just try to take over, as normal. Though seeing the Nemesis take on a Star Destroyer might be an interesting match. But not sure if Transformers ever had that much of a fleet in any continuity. Well, in Armada, they had lots of ships, but they just seemed like normal destroyers or cruisers in a sci-fi story, not too big, not too small, with a decent amount of guns. If we're talking something bigger, like Devestator trying to take apart a Star Destroyer, that might be interesting, though if the Star Destroyer blew up, that probably wouldn't be pleasant for Devestator. TIE fighters would probably be on par with the Seekers in maneuverability in space, maybe? Skylynx was what, about shuttle size? Well, maybe a city block-size at most. Trypticon taking on AT-ATs might be interesting, but overall, I don't think Transformers ever had that many numbers to take on dozens of capital ships or ground troops. Nyna Calixte is a very... interesting character, to say the least. She does seem to love Cade, and probably loved Kol, considering how when she left, she couldn't bear to say good-bye to Cade, or else she couldn't leave. And she has a point, that as an Imperial spy, its not like Morrigan Corde would've really fit in with the Jedi, and that the rest of the Jedi might not have liked having her as the mother of the next Skywalker heir. And Morrigan did go to great lengths to get Cade out of the Sith Temple, though that also fits her agenda of undermining the Sith. While she did help arrange the Sith-Imperial alliance, the Ossus Massacre happened before she knew about it, according to one flashback issue in Legacy, the Ossus Massacre happened without Roan Fel's approval, against his official orders actually, so Calixte only found out about it too late, I think. This is just speculation, back from just after the Calixte reveal, where people noted that she seemed upset about the Ossus Massacre, though of course, at the time, it seemed more like she was mad that Veed had gone behind her back, and that the Sith were acting too much on their own. Some people (not me) went back through just about every Calixte or Morrigan scene for new nuances. So, its arguable whether she was upset that her former husband had been killed on Ossus, her son might've been killed, and/or whether she might've tried to prevent the Massacre, for family reasons, or for political reasons (having a galaxy with Sith but no Jedi is usually pretty bad for everyone). She hasn't shown much concern for Cade as Calixte, but of course, she wouldn't, as an Imperial Moff. Veed's all for killing Skywalker to disrupt the Sith's plans, but Calixte argued against it. What her ultimate goal is at the moment is anyone's guess. At the moment, it seems like she does want Veed as galactic Emperor, with her controlling him to some extent, but aside from that... well, if Cade ever tracks her down, that'll be a very interesting issue. And I actually like the Predator designs, then again I like almost all Legacy-era designs... oh well, to each their own taste. And its not so much multiple-personality disorder or anything like that (I think), its more that she's literally playing many roles, so she rarely reveals any of her true feelings or motives. She does still seem to love Cade at least, as at the end of Claws of the Dragon, she whispered "run" to the hologram of her and her husband and son. Its just another intriguing aspect of the Legacy comics. The Legacy comics certainly have a lot of nice, very interesting plotlines, and originally, I loved how it was exploring a brand new era of Star Wars, but by now Zayne's taken up most of my interest, comic-wise, since Zayne is such an awesome character. Not to mention that Cade simply isn't that likabe. I do think Cade has a point when he complains about what's the point of being a Jedi (if he's read up on what happened during the GA-Confederation War, that could leave anyone wary about serving the galaxy) and his life post-Ossus has certainly jaded him. Zayne on the other hand is just lovable and aweome in most ways. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/12 1:05am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Marvel actually has an arc? Its always felt like one big smashfest after another. * It was a story/rumour I came across a couple of years ago, people figured, not unreasonably, that SI is the final 5th event, but it now looks to be boigus ith an arc with no end in sight. Civil War ended with the wrong side winning, the Hulk smash things event ended... well, also as a pretty bad story, and didn't even serve to unite the heroes against the Hulk, since they all fell, and after that, it was back to registered vs. non-registered. * Which has never been tapped to its full advantage, Ellis satirised the hell out of it in Thunderbolts and the Knaufs did a great Iron Man story that shows Stark how wrong his call was but beyond it? It's like the idea is a dirty secret. Then the Skrulls make it sounds like they've been planning this for a while, ruining a lot of character moments from Spider-woman and Pym (sorta like with Harry Potter, but done far more incompetently), and they launch their invasion after Thor returns? Oh sure, great planning there. The last SI issue is more of the same rubbish, as we see just how bright the "normal" people in the MU are (if you read the issue, or see scans, you'll probably understand the reference). * I'll probably be dropping the title but, due to it being a pull item, I'll buy the issue and then drop the titles. (Point of honour you see?) And now they're already talking about another event? This is ridiculous. * Events! There's Dark Reign and War of KIngs, oh and there's mention of what has to be a follow-up to Messiah Complex called Messiah War and....You get the picture, I'm hitting the point where I just don't care anymore. At least DC hasn't done anything like announce a new Crisis. * Ohhh, they do that after doing a series called Final Crisis and the venom that would cascade down would be torrential. Sinestro Corps War was at least presented as part of a trilogy, and its all part of a big overarching Green Lantern epic, not just one event after another. * With major gaps to explore the impacts of one major piece while laying the foundations for the next one. I just read the recent GLC issue, and its pretty good. Lays some more groundwork for the future, but its just a great cast of characters. * Doesn't surprise me, the GL books are amongst DC's best and most consistent. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 9/12 3:17pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 9/12 3:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MasterSkywalker86
	Aahhhh these colors, odd choice for the fall. but i guess it goes with the theme. How's all ? School just started and I had a rather amusing week. it seems my posting style falls under the categorey of "posts for a while, vanishes, and reappears". I see JB and RK have been sticking with the theme of comics, which hopefully will attain more recognition since nerd culture has become a part of pulp culture. Hey chap u ever pick the collector's edition of the Dollars Trilogy ? there are sum interesting features and the picture quality is enhanced. as u know I am a trade comic reader and volume 2 of Death of Cap comes out next week alongside and yes I am doing the unthinkable by buying Brand New Day in October, lets just say I don't like the Ultimate Universe other than the modern look so i won't go for bendis spidey. any speculations on the Wolverine movie ? or say the new events after SI ? I saw a teaser image of Steve Rogers holding a fallen Iron Man. has anyone played Force Unleashed yet ? I know the story and the game seems to recieve average and good ratings which is a disappointment(like we need another one ?) especially with all the hype it got. hopefully it will be fun for my last gen ps2. at least I picked KOTOR 2 for the pc (which im shocked that my puny graphics card can handle it), honestly Child would luv the KOTOR games, u dont need to be a gamer it's very user friendly, it has a great indepth story almost as good as the OT, and the game isn't power hungry in terms of requirements. anyway I'm in the middle of VOTF and so far I haven't wanted to rip the book in half which is a very good sign. Luke and Mara teaming up on a new planet to investigate a secret fortress, Wedge and Corran to stop the Bothan shields from being sabotaged, Han and Lando to try to find the Caamsi files, and Karrde and Shada visiting Carjas. the duology has been solid so far, my only gripes are the action is slow at least so far, Luke holding back his use of the Force(see TUF and POST TUF), and characters over analysing situations. I just which the EU POST ROTJ would have been made to series rather than the clone wars series....really haven't we said enough with the first clone war series ? is it true volume 4 of Legacy is in December ? how bout Falcon and Mindor ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 9/12 4:12pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	* Hey, MS86, been a while! I see JB and RK have been sticking with the theme of comics, which hopefully will attain more recognition since nerd culture has become a part of pulp culture. Hey chap u ever pick the collector's edition of the Dollars Trilogy ? there are sum interesting features and the picture quality is enhanced. * Bought Dollars and GBU a few years back. as u know I am a trade comic reader and volume 2 of Death of Cap comes out next week alongside and yes I am doing the unthinkable by buying Brand New Day in October, lets just say I don't like the Ultimate Universe other than the modern look so i won't go for bendis spidey. * Pity, it's easily one of his best and most consistent pieces of work. I'm presently converting my collections to trade. Decided to bite the bullet, but also due to the amount of ads, it's far more economical noit to mention a better read. Although I am approaching burn out with Marvel. any speculations on the Wolverine movie ? or say the new events after SI ? I saw a teaser image of Steve Rogers holding a fallen Iron Man. * That's likely a What-If cover. has anyone played Force Unleashed yet ? I know the story and the game seems to recieve average and good ratings which is a disappointment(like we need another one ?) especially with all the hype it got. hopefully it will be fun for my last gen ps2. at least I picked KOTOR 2 for the pc (which im shocked that my puny graphics card can handle it), honestly Child would luv the KOTOR games, u dont need to be a gamer it's very user friendly, it has a great indepth story almost as good as the OT, and the game isn't power hungry in terms of requirements. * Downloaded the demo to PS3 and found it disappointing. You're supposed to be using a lightsaber, but enemies don't get cut to pieces and are even allowed to block. It's a LIGHTSABER! Don't get me started on QTE sequences to finish the bosses, what was an innovation 4 years back is now a plague on games. I am looking forward to Fallout 3 though. is it true volume 4 of Legacy is in December ? how bout Falcon and Mindor ? * Sounds about right in regard to Legacy, with Vol 5 Feb '09. Falcon should be out i October but I don't care about thatt, while Mindor I think is Dec. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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