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I-poodoo
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MS86 posted
apologies, I meant which book do you feel is what a SW book should be ? and the reason why...etc.
Let's see off the top of my head.
I, Jedi by Stackpole, ROTS by Stover, The first four of the X-wing books by Stackpole, The Wraith books by Aalston, SOA by Aalston, TTT by Zahn, SotE by Perry, EOV duology by Keyes, Darktide duology by Stackpole, and TUF by Luceno.
On the reverse I'd say what shouldn't be an example of what a SW book should be is Traitor by Stover. Not that it was a horrible peice of writing. In fact it was really very good-the best of the NJO IMO, but it just didn't feel like it fit to me. It was probably Vergere and her potentium moral gray area stuff in it that caused it to feel so unSW to me.
The EU is a pretty wide gauntlet in terms of styles. I'd say SW books can involve anything or be in almost any setting or theme whether it reflects the movies closely or loosely, but to feel like it's SW is something elusive and hard to define. However, a rule of thumb I'd say for me is to not contradict George even enigmatically (Which was what Vergere was designed to do in Traitor)-It's his sandbox so don't knock over any of his sandcastles.
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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I'd keep the YJK-natch. A lot of us agree it was one of Luke's best showings. I, obviously, am one of them.  Also, the TTT and the JAT. And the X-wing novels. Also, Crystal Star. It has Lusa, and therefore has been redeemed by her awesomeness. Because Lusa rocks. 
COPL and the Thrawn Duology too, although I'd rewrite the latter so it's Luke and Tionne getting married. *Runs and hides*
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I-poodoo
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COPL and the Thrawn Duology too, although I'd rewrite the latter so it's Luke and Tionne getting married. *Runs and hides*
I believe Kam Solusar would object to that.
Kam: "Oh Luke, I know you're my grandmaster, and brought me back from the darkside serving the cloned Emperor, and you're a friend, and all that, but you can't marry my wife. 
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RK_Striker_JK_5
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I-poodoo posted:
I believe Kam Solusar would object to that.
Kam: "Oh Luke, I know you're my grandmaster, and brought me back from the darkside serving the cloned Emperor, and you're a friend, and all that, but you can't marry my wife.
I read the YJk before even knowing the Thrawn Trilogy existed or finishing the OT. And there were some major Luke/Tionne vibes/scenes/actions in it. They'd make a good pair.
And where precisely did Tionne and Kam hook up? Was there backstory one for that?
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Lord_Riven
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I'd keep:
1. Truce at Bakura - it is redeemed by the Leia/Vader thing alone. I wished they had developed it more
2. X-Wing series
3. The Thrawn Trilogy
4. I, Jedi
5. Hand of Thrawn
6. The first six YJK
7. Courtship of Princess Leia - cos Luke is really uber cool in that one.
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Luke_SW
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it's called the EXPANDED Universe for a reason, beacuse you're EXPANDING upon an established world of core characters, strengthening it not weakening it, building upon it, not the other way around
If you don't have a strong base, the whole thing just falls apart
For me personally I'm a fan of the Star Wars trilogy first and foremost, so I like to branch out and open my mind to new storylines and characters and developments and all that, but I still need some kind of anchor to keep the feel of Star Wars in tact, and for me, Luke Skywalker (among other things) is that anchor
I think to exclude him or to reduce him as much as they have and to have a callous attitude about representing him (and other core characters) is disrespectful to these timeless characters, to the Star Wars saga as a whole, and to the fans who have kept the franchise alive and kicking and growing well beyond 1983.
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MasterSkywalker86
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I see the general consenus is The Thrawn Trilogy, the X-wing Novels, SOTE, I Jedi, YJK series and the X-wings books. I must say that even though Bantam has some really abstract ideas, they at least give us some classic reads.
only ROTS and TUF seem to be the only good reads from Del=Rey. I liked Survivor's Quest as well.
MS
Hey MS I been meaning to ask you what's with all the icon changes ? You were Obi wan the other day and now u have a Kyp icon.
I am too, though I'm hoping he doesn't have Luke do anything like torture during the course of the battle.
if Stover sticks with a true characterization to the character then I can't see him having Luke condone torture unlike some authors.....
Luke's in it some(a good part takes place simultaneously with the JAT) and I thought it was interesting seeing Luke through Corran's eyes.
I wouldn't mind a series of I Jedi series, with all jedi POVs. I think if I get a chance I might buy Shadows of the Past, and Visions of the Future. they seem SW quality to me. I only finish 1/4 of the book.
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Let's see off the top of my head.
I, Jedi by Stackpole, ROTS by Stover, The first four of the X-wing books by Stackpole, The Wraith books by Aalston, SOA by Aalston, TTT by Zahn, SotE by Perry, EOV duology by Keyes, Darktide duology by Stackpole, and TUF by Luceno.
what's SOA ? the Dark Tide books and TUF seem to be the only books to redeem the NJO.
On the reverse I'd say what shouldn't be an example of what a SW book should be is Traitor by Stover. Not that it was a horrible peice of writing. In fact it was really very good-the best of the NJO IMO, but it just didn't feel like it fit to me. It was probably Vergere and her potentium moral gray area stuff in it that caused it to feel so unSW to me.
Traitor was one of those books that sum up the NJO as a whole, errie and gray. The torture scenes weren't for me either.
The EU is a pretty wide gauntlet in terms of styles. I'd say SW books can involve anything or be in almost any setting or theme whether it reflects the movies closely or loosely, but to feel like it's SW is something elusive and hard to define. However, a rule of thumb I'd say for me is to not contradict George even enigmatically (Which was what Vergere was designed to do in Traitor)-It's his sandbox so don't knock over any of his sandcastles.
right, once u start messing with the core concepts, you start losing the feel of SW.
RkStriker
I'd keep the YJK-natch. A lot of us agree it was one of Luke's best showings. I, obviously, am one of them. Also, the TTT and the JAT. And the X-wing novels. Also, Crystal Star. It has Lusa, and therefore has been redeemed by her awesomeness. Because Lusa rocks.
hmmmm....YJK never heard of it jk
COPL and the Thrawn Duology too, although I'd rewrite the latter so it's Luke and Tionne getting married. *Runs and hides
I'm surprise Tionne didn't have a thing for Luke during JAT.
Lord Riven
I'd keep:
1. Truce at Bakura - it is redeemed by the Leia/Vader thing alone. I wished they had developed it more
2. X-Wing series
3. The Thrawn Trilogy
4. I, Jedi
5. Hand of Thrawn
6. The first six YJK
7. Courtship of Princess Leia - cos Luke is really uber cool in that one.
all good books, I want to finish the Thrawn Duology. the first time I read VOTF I didn't enjoy it, but I admit I was much younger and I have a more open mind now.
LukeSW
it's called the EXPANDED Universe for a reason, beacuse you're EXPANDING upon an established world of core characters, strengthening it not weakening it, building upon it, not the other way around
If you don't have a strong base, the whole thing just falls apart
welcome to SOS LukeSW,  I agree with your statement about EU but sadly the EU now adays is collapsing rather than expanding. We lost 3 big characters, Luke seems to regress and relearn all the things in Bantam. all the new stuff seem to be the prequel era and in between. It's not a good time for Luke fans. 
For me personally I'm a fan of the Star Wars trilogy first and foremost, so I like to branch out and open my mind to new storylines and characters and developments and all that, but I still need some kind of anchor to keep the feel of Star Wars in tact, and for me, Luke Skywalker (among other things) is that anchor
right, after all what's SW without the OT ?
I think to exclude him or to reduce him as much as they have and to have a callous attitude about representing him (and other core characters) is disrespectful to these timeless characters, to the Star Wars saga as a whole, and to the fans who have kept the franchise alive and kicking and growing well beyond 1983.
right now with the lack of OT good stories, it seems like comics are the only things that seem to keep the Big 3 alive. I have yet to read Rebellion yet to see if they give a good Luke portrayal.
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There is nothing that can redeem Crystal Star. NOTHING.
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MasterSkywalker86
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hahhah, RK will beg to differ
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Hey MS I been meaning to ask you what's with all the icon changes ? You were Obi wan the other day and now u have a Kyp icon.
I switch a lot because I keep wanting a better one. I think it's partially because there's a perfect one that I've submitted, but it has yet to be uploaded or voted on.
if Stover sticks with a true characterization to the character then I can't see him having Luke condone torture unlike some authors.....
Agreed.
I wouldn't mind a series of I Jedi series, with all jedi POVs. I think if I get a chance I might buy Shadows of the Past, and Visions of the Future. they seem SW quality to me. I only finish 1/4 of the book.
I've never tried them, but I may read them eventually. I still think Del Rey should hire Stackpole to do "I, Jedi Master" set in the NJO or LotF era.
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MS86 posted
what's SOA?
Starfighters of Adumar-by far the funniest of Aalston's X-wing work.
the Dark Tide books and TUF seem to be the only books to redeem the NJO.
Now hold on there. Sure TUF and Darktide are great but the Edge of Victory duology, Balance Point, Rebel Dream duology, and Star by Star are also really good too.
right, once u start messing with the core concepts, you start losing the feel of SW.
words right out of my mouth.
I wouldn't mind a series of I Jedi series with all jedi POVs.
That would be a great idea. Sorta balance the recent crop of Sith books (Darth Bane I and II, Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, even the aborted Darth Plageius novel) with first person stories of the Jedi. I would love to see one of Luke, or even Leia, or Jaina, Obi-wan, Qui-gon, Heck even a sequel with Corran.
I'm putting that in my wishlist for seeing more of from the EU.
Wishlist
1. Count Dooku book-dealing with Sidious' recruiting him to the Sith ranks and beginning the plot for the Clone army and revealing the mystery behind Sifo Dyas' death. I've really been surprised Del Rey hasn't done anything over this yet.
2. Assajj Ventress comic or book dealing with her life after escaping into hyperspace in "Obsession".
3. a novel about the Seperatist heroes promised us in the opening crawl of ROTS.
4. I, Jedi series.
5. Novel about Order 66 and the end of the clone wars...focused on the seperatists as well as the Jedi.
 4 out of 5 of my wishlist deals with the CW. Probably because compared to the OT the PT has alot more unexplored territory remaining for the EU.
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Luke_SW
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thanx for the welcome 'MasterSkywalker86'
I haven't posted on any of TFN forums for quite a while, and I think this is my first visit to the EU forums, guess I figured that the movies were all finished and there wasn't much more disecting and over-analyzing of the films left to be done lol
and for better or for worse the EU is still a way for us Star Wars crack babies to get our fix
anyways, just wanted to say it feels good to be back among fellow fans, and glad to see all of us out there who still keep Luke in our hearts and imaginations
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MasterSkywalker86
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I've never tried them, but I may read them eventually. I still think Del Rey should hire Stackpole to do "I, Jedi Master" set in the NJO or LotF era.
That would be a great idea for a new series.
I switch a lot because I keep wanting a better one. I think it's partially because there's a perfect one that I've submitted, but it has yet to be uploaded or voted on.
which one did u submit ?
IP
Starfighters of Adumar-by far the funniest of Aalston's X-wing work.
o why's that ?
That would be a great idea. Sorta balance the recent crop of Sith books (Darth Bane I and II, Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, even the aborted Darth Plageius novel) with first person stories of the Jedi. I would love to see one of Luke, or even Leia, or Jaina, Obi-wan, Qui-gon, Heck even a sequel with Corran.
yeah it could take place with each jedi of any era, I agree the sith books seem to be cropping up.
1. Count Dooku book-dealing with Sidious' recruiting him to the Sith ranks and beginning the plot for the Clone army and revealing the mystery behind Sifo Dyas' death. I've really been surprised Del Rey hasn't done anything over this yet.
2. Assajj Ventress comic or book dealing with her life after escaping into hyperspace in "Obsession".
3. a novel about the Seperatist heroes promised us in the opening crawl of ROTS.
4. I, Jedi series.
5. Novel about Order 66 and the end of the clone wars...focused on the seperatists as well as the Jedi.
4 out of 5 of my wishlist deals with the CW. Probably because compared to the OT the PT has alot more unexplored territory remaining for the EU.
im surprise they haven't explain what happen with Dyas and Dooku's DS training. a I Jedi series would be great.
LukeSW
thanx for the welcome 'MasterSkywalker86'
no problem.
I haven't posted on any of TFN forums for quite a while, and I think this is my first visit to the EU forums, guess I figured that the movies were all finished and there wasn't much more disecting and over-analyzing of the films left to be done lol
and for better or for worse the EU is still a way for us Star Wars crack babies to get our fix
yeah I love watching the films, but I can only watch them so much.
anyways, just wanted to say it feels good to be back among fellow fans, and glad to see all of us out there who still keep Luke in our hearts and imaginations
that's great to hear, especially with the books we're dealing with now adays. we have some dark times ahead of us.
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That would be a great idea for a new series.
It would. I think it would be interesting to have a single event and 6 book series set around it with each book being from a different perspective. If I had to choose I'd have:
1. Corran
2. Kyp
3. Jaina
4. Han
5. Leia
6. Luke
which one did u submit ?
 I like it because it's clearly a Jedi but not a well-known one. I also really liked Jon Antilles in the issue of Republic he appeared in.
There's also a Luke I hope gets uploaded. 
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^^ not bad, is the Luke icon from the Force guide ?
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