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MasterSkywalker86
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well RL has been hectic, my new job at Target calls me when they need me(for the most part) and it kinda changes my daily routine quite a bit. During my absence I been able to check out some books and bought some too. JB I believe you were right when you said I would be missing out if I didn't stick with the run and you couldn't be more right. I took a peek at Sinestro Corps and just looking at the dialogue and panels convinced me to stay. I suppose since No Fear I wasn't certain if I was making the right choice with liking the character, the concept, and the plot, ever since LOTF I been very cynical. well it look like Johns is redefining GL like Brubaker is with Cap. Now I got to go recollect some GL trades.
I also got to look at pages of Death of a Dream part 2, Ultimates 2, Spider-man Reign(pretty much DKR for Spidey or Millar's Ol man Logan), and bought Visions of the Future and Legacy Volume 3. I only read the first 16 pages but they have finally convinced me that Cade is no longer a angsty punk, but a bad arse with issues, the personalty of Luke and Han(finally)...the dialogue is asmusing and the first pages still continue with the tone of the last volume. It amazes me that I was going to drop this series after the "ok" beginning in Broken, but Delrey books make you lose your mind sometimes, hence why my library only now consists of 4 SW books(3 are Bantam) and 3 SW graphic novels, and I originally had at least 20.
plus did I mention I have a ps2 now ? yes I finally once again owned a game console and Force Unleashed is shaping up nicely for the last gen system. plus I have yet to play Kingdom Hearts I & II. Anyone have any suggestions other than GTA ?
also am I the only who's seeing stars or did I had too much Corellian ale ? 
JB
and Loeb's Hulk
* You have to be selective, y'know?
actually it was a counterpoint to the good things that have came from the aftermath of WWH, I even hear Skaar ain't doing so hot. Pak though has to be the best thing for the hulk since Peter David.
* Doubtful, Bendis made some comments that the next, post-SI arc would be darker. I don't expect the whole registration angle to vanish.
kinda seems irrevelant with the current situation right now, I would be more concerned if you were human or not.
* I have a feeling there won't be as big an impact as people expect somehow. I don't think the teams will actually change as a result.
u think James or Thor won't join up in any of the new lineups ? especially with NA losing Spider-Woman, Strange, and Cap ?
* Hmm, which arc is that? I know of Avengers Under Siege by Roger Stern and that is well worth tracking down.
I was thinking of Busiek's style in Avengers, which remind me of the feeling for the Justice League cartoon.
no the Man with No Name comic, does it catch the Segio Leone style ?
* Ah, I see. Got the second issue and it's extremely good, a great example of writing being well matched to art. It's also now an ongoing.
really ? how many issues are they planning ?
these zealot like jedi masters as the bad guy with their own vision of the DS. I might have to take a look.
* This initial arc is now coming to a conclusion too.
as far as my knowledge of SW KOTOR(the games) were the first to involved the idea of overzealous jedi, showing that jedi aren't as infallible and pure as it would seem. and not all jedi are alike.
* I've been hearing similar of a villain alliance and happening next year. Of the two companies, I'd see DC as having a chance to turn things around and steal readers from Marvel due to them burning people out with too many events. Long term DC have more limited-scale character arcs planned now.
here's the problem most of the DC material isn't as acessible to readers as say Marvel. look at Final Crisis for instance compared to SI, SI the reader gets the idea of the plot and what's going on, Final Crisis has a couple of readers puzzled at what's going on. but as long as Johns continues his magic in GL and Action Comics I'm convinced he can turn things around.
Yep, my usual partners are absent.
you try moving boxes for 8 hrs, chores, errands, and reading books and u be tired too.
Well, October solicits for Dark Horse...
give me volume 4 of Legacy, I want to read about this Nat Skywalker...almost sounds like Matt Skywalker...Matt is my name...just saying it's not too far fetch they'll name a character like that 
In Legacy, Cade has teamed up with Celeste Morne to assassinate Krayt while in KOTOR the Covenant is riven as the real leader behind it is revealed - looks likely Zayne's framing will be dealt with in this arc.
explain to me Vector and this Raghoul infestation please.
Suspended animation. Can give you more details if you wish.
how many times can she be suspended ? it's almost reminds me of poor Ripley or Encino Man.
* A 4,000 year old Jedi who is fighting Sith possession courtesy of the Muur Talisman. BUt the Jedi viewpoint isn't necessarily wrong here for consider:
what's the talisman ?
* The Jedi have limited resources and are unable to defeat the Sith in open war. Cade proposes assassinating Krayt on the basis it will trigger a Sith Civil War, the point the Jedi are asking is: What if it doesn't? If the Sith show themselves to be utterly differnt to their predecessors, then the work to kill Krayt will be wasted.
and the plot thickens, i dunno i have a feeling that these sith aren't the loyal type as they pretend to be.
Child
Stars! Where is everyone? It surely is quiet in here.
work, errands, exercise, hobbies, repeat.
Welcome back, MS!
thanks, i miss it here.
I'm glad that you changed your mind about the Zahn books. Especially after reading Del Rey's drivel, the Zahn novels are great reads. Did you ever read Outbound Flight, MS? If not, you should. All of the questions that were raised in Survivor's Quest are answered in Outbound Flight. It's really rather fun to read the book knowing that Luke and Mara will be aboard the ship later.
I try to stay away from Old Rpublic material on the basis that I want to read about Luke and his descendants, rather than hear how great Anakin is suppose to be. but maybe with the less good material out there now I might take a look. It has probably been said in our thread predcessors for the umpteenth time but it's a shame there are NO good current Luke stories right now. I really wish Ostrander and Ors do a Big 3 series.
Again, after the NJO, DN, and LotF, even KJA's books begin to look like great literature. Plus, Dart loves the sort of messianic Luke in the Jedi Academy trilogy.
hey I have to side with RK here KJA material is very underrated. it might not be a zahn masterpiece but it's a good piece of EU that's essential in SW lore.
plus Luke WALKS ON LAVA.
I think she wanted to look her best under the circumstances when Luke arrived, and she wanted to get rid of the dirt, grime, and smell of the time she had spent in the cave before he arrived.
um that provides more evidence to my point, why would she care what he thinks ? unless she's concerned with his opinion of her, which means she has feelings for him....i rest my case. anyway what should I expect of Visions ? it has been 3 years since i read it you know 
I read some of the Legacy issues, but I stopped in the middle of what would be VOlume 3, I think because of an incident which was the last straw for me. I won't mention it so I don't spoil it in case you don't know about this particular thing. So, I've read part of volume 3
I hopefully will get back to you on this comment.
Definitely NOT. Why would I want to see Han and Leia's last son killed by his sister? And Jaina was willing to kill him without waiting for him to defend himself. SHe put her lightsaber into his stomach before he even knew she was there. And there was almost NO dialogue between them. Jaina never even spoke to her brother, let alone tried to redeem him. Her only words were something like, "Die already!"
yeah another set of tragic events, now if this was a comic then the characters would come back. but sadly none in LOTF, only IRREVELANT characters do.
And Jaina shouldn't have faced Jacen. She wasn't even a major player until two books ago. It should have been Luke or Ben who confronted Jacen and tried to redeem him before killing him, I think.
it should have been Luke, but Inferno already placed Luke as the master of that duel, Luke didn't get cut, yeah he got his leg dislocated but who ended up looking like deep fried Vader there ?
I guess that's one way of looking at it. But I hated having Saba, who loves to hunt, which means she loves to KILL, declare that Luke was "tainted". Sheesh! Who is she to judge. Plus, Luke killed Lumiya three months before. Why didn't she say something sooner?
there is no logic there is only mundane stories, there is no focus on main characters just side/pet characters, there is no plot only the remains of a used plot, through the Force my mind is open and I'm at peace, through DelRey I become a raving pessimist on the verge of the Dark side.
a little reworking of the jedi/sith code if written about DR's "fantastic" job.
Besides, at the end of Revelation, Luke saw Mara as a Force ghost. I would think that would make him happy and secure in the knowledge that she was okay and that they would be together again one day. I can't imagine him killing Jacen for revenge after that.
you know what ever happen with that scene ? I mean Mara could have shared some revelations, wisdom, caring words, and her love. all we hear is that Luke sees Mara. way to be a tease.
i hear Jacen is lost in DS craziness, which is one of the reasons.
He doesn't even seem as crazy in Invincible as he was in earlier books, I didn't think.
maybe he appeared sane through his POV, but I always get somewhere lost while figuring out the reason for him becoming a sith in the first place.
No, I mean Luceno. Stover hasn't even written Luke in anything else before. Didn't you hear? there is going to be a book called Millennium Falcon by Luceno. It's supposed to take place two years after Invincible, and it will change places with Stover's book, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor. MF will now come out in October, and Stover's book will come out in late December, right after Christmas.
ah, but I doubt Luke will be a main character in MF, but I could be wrong. At least with Stover he has been good and respectful with the characters in ROTS and bringing some much needed POVs that the movie lacked.
RK Stryker
LOL. Same here, dude. RL and other stuff's been coming up badly.
you're telling me, how's u ?
That would bo good to see. The DCAU was one of the pinnacles of fiction, and it'd be nice if this series could reach for that.
it still is, the new Batman series doesn't even hold up to par, also it would have been nice of Bale in Batman Begins and TDK to do more of Kevin Conroy then a 3 pack a day smoker Batman.
that's ok, what did you think of the ET element there ?
I didn't mind it, and since it took place in the 50's, it sorta made sense there to 'move on', so to speak. Besides, once you do the Holy Grail, what would be left, the Lance of Longius(sp)?
I suppose,it would have been better if they went with mystical rather than sci-fi. have u seen Iron Man and Hulk ?
"I don't like sand..." *Sends Flint Marko over to 'play' with Anakin*
lol that would be rather amusing.
I supposedly hear Diamond select is doing some SW figures in a bunch of scales and jedi Luke is suppose to be one of the figures.
I'd buy those!
who wouldn't, they did a great job with marvel select.
I was always a Frasier man myself.
I saw the first few seasons of that. I wonder if Niles ever married Daphne...
want me to spoil u ?
I want a more mature tone like Nolan's Batman.
That... might work. I could see them doing that, or something like that.
i hear Aaron Eckhart(Dent in TDK) might do GL, that could work for the character.
or a decent 6" scale u know ?
Yeah! It's so pathetic, how tiny and unposeable most of them are.
plastic breakable mush they are.
how does a lead refridge become the ultimate fallout shelter ?
It wasn't the fridge. It was the Fedora, the real freakin' sweet hat
or Williams memorable score
Again, after the NJO, DN, and LotF, even KJA's books begin to look like great literature. Plus, Dart loves the sort of messianic Luke in the Jedi Academy trilogy.
... Am I the only person who liked the JAT for what it was, and not in comparison to the Trilogy of Suck?
*raises hand* 
agree. Why should there be Old Jedi Order Jedi but no Jedi from Luke's era?
I've heard the theory of 'pet characters' used, but thats OOU, not IU. And it's a poor excuse nonetheless.
where's Lowie ? and what happen to Ben Skywalker ? or 3po ? or Lando's child ? Corran's kids ? the Antilles ?
Thanks! I am! I just had a nice visit with my brother's family. They came from Maryland for a few days.
Nice. Family visiting is always cool.
that's good man, I been seeing my brother's family more since I moved.
What three letters?
The YJK. I read those before the Thrawn Trilogy... before finishing the OT. Without those, I wouldn't be on these boards... or possibly alive.
why u say that ?
Real Life's been busy, sorry. Igot a promotion at work and inventory's coming up-that's where we get everything ready so a company called RGis can come in and count every piece of merchandice in the store.
congrats dude!
I work at a Walmart, so... yeah.
I work at a Target myself.
I also bought Legacy 3. Looks interesting from the scan-through.
can't wait for your review.
Still waiting for good SW figures, too. And EU figures as well.
yeah no more 3 inch pieces of slag, I want Marvel Legends quality figures.
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Jedi Ben
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MS86,
During my absence I been able to check out some books and bought some too. JB I believe you were right when you said I would be missing out if I didn't stick with the run and you couldn't be more right. I took a peek at Sinestro Corps and just looking at the dialogue and panels convinced me to stay. I suppose since No Fear I wasn't certain if I was making the right choice with liking the character, the concept, and the plot, ever since LOTF I been very cynical. well it look like Johns is redefining GL like Brubaker is with Cap. Now I got to go recollect some GL trades.
* Well, I did admit I was telling you to read it knowing where it led to! By the way, you're aware Sinestro Corps is Act 2 of a trilogy, aren't you?
plus did I mention I have a ps2 now ? yes I finally once again owned a game console and Force Unleashed is shaping up nicely for the last gen system. plus I have yet to play Kingdom Hearts I & II. Anyone have any suggestions other than GTA ?
* Get these:
Black - mental FPS from the makers of Burnout
Beyond Good & Evil - an overlooked, unique game
Dragon Quest: Journey Of The Cursed King - old-school RPG with great style
Devil May Cry 3 - Excellent actioner, much better than the first two and more forgiving
Burnout 3 - The best version on PS2, don't bother with the others
Final Fantasy X - Classic
Final Fantasy XII - Some loathe it, I love it - truly inspired evolution
Viewtiful Joe - Hard but rewarding
SSX 3 - Damn fine snowboarder
also am I the only who's seeing stars or did I had too much Corellian ale ?
* New feature, but feel free to keep drinking!
u think James or Thor won't join up in any of the new lineups ? especially with NA losing Spider-Woman, Strange, and Cap ?
* On this I'm still sceptical.
really ? how many issues are they planning ?
* Well it was 6, but now it's indefinite. Oh yeah, Zorro from Dynamite is great too, first arc is 8 issues.
here's the problem most of the DC material isn't as acessible to readers as say Marvel. look at Final Crisis for instance compared to SI, SI the reader gets the idea of the plot and what's going on, Final Crisis has a couple of readers puzzled at what's going on. but as long as Johns continues his magic in GL and Action Comics I'm convinced he can turn things around.
* Final Crisis is a mystery though, thus you get answers later. I'm not really convinced by the argument that DC stuff is that hard to get your head around - it's just less grounded than Marvel, so is also more wondrous.
explain to me Vector and this Raghoul infestation please.
* The plague is controlled by the Muur Talisman, a Sith creation.
how many times can she be suspended ? it's almost reminds me of poor Ripley or Encino Man.
* It was only used to jump from KOTOR to Dark Times, the jump from that to Rebellion is normal time, how she gets to Legacy we don't know.
what's the talisman ?
* A nasty piece of work.
JB
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* Well, I did admit I was telling you to read it knowing where it led to! By the way, you're aware Sinestro Corps is Act 2 of a trilogy, aren't you?
well how would you rate No Fear, Revenge of the Green Lanterns and Rebirth, and Hal Jordan Wanted as standalones ? I understand Blackest Night is the third act of the crossover, but does that mean Johns will leave the series after the crossover ?
after 4 issues of SI how do you feel the series is going ?
and the new Ultimate Origins ?
Black - mental FPS from the makers of Burnout
mental how so ?
Dragon Quest: Journey Of The Cursed King - old-school RPG with great style
isn't the creator of dragon ball z the head of this series ?
Burnout 3 - The best version on PS2, don't bother with the others
here's a game i been missing out
Viewtiful Joe - Hard but rewarding
i had a fun yet diffcult time to beat the first boss originally on gamecube.
also am I the only who's seeing stars or did I had too much Corellian ale ?
* New feature, but feel free to keep drinking!
cheers to that, just make sure i'm not piloting for the yt 2400 under the influence, crashing into hangers is very embarassing that has to be my favorite ship in the whole SW universe, a sleek version of the falcon.
u think James or Thor won't join up in any of the new lineups ? especially with NA losing Spider-Woman, Strange, and Cap ?
* On this I'm still sceptical.
i could see Thor being busy being Lord of Rainbow land OK, but somehow i feel James will somehow fit in, reluctantly so.
* Well it was 6, but now it's indefinite. Oh yeah, Zorro from Dynamite is great too, first arc is 8 issues.
wow it became that popular, Go Blondie.
* Final Crisis is a mystery though, thus you get answers later. I'm not really convinced by the argument that DC stuff is that hard to get your head around - it's just less grounded than Marvel, so is also more wondrous.
at least with crossovers i would say, and johns has been making the DC universe beginner friendly. Morrison not so much. I finally come to believe that both these two companies are equal in their different ways.
* The plague is controlled by the Muur Talisman, a Sith creation.
ah, why not used the rakghoul serum.....o wait that was made in KOTOR game which happens after KOTOR comics.
* It was only used to jump from KOTOR to Dark Times, the jump from that to Rebellion is normal time, how she gets to Legacy we don't know. * A nasty piece of work.
does she duel Luke and how does he fare ? also what are u and Child on about ?
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So far, I like Final Crisis far better than Secret Invasion though. The only huge problem with Final Crisis is that the actual FC series doesn't really fit into continuity with many other DC series that were supposed to lead up to FC, but considering how bad many of them were (Countdown, Death of the New Gods, etc.), that might be a good thing. In Secret Invasion, maybe... a few hours have passed, and aside from the Skrulls invading, there is still next to no progress. Sure, Fury showed up... then left after rescuing the Young Avengers for some reason. Most of the Avengers are still in the Savage Land, Tony Stark's temporarily is not having a meltdown, Reed's trapped, and there's still no clues to where all the replaced people have gone. And oh, lightning! Wait, did they already have a big event issue end with Thor showing up?  Oh well, let's all hope its not another clone. Though not sure if the copies have all the poewrs, considering that pathetic Phoenix.
Though I highly recommend Final Crisis Requiem. As a last goodbye to an old character, its a very good issue. Though I'm hoping that that character actually stays dead, but who knows.
And they might throw Thor or the new Captain America onto any of the teams at any random time. Look at the... odd team line-up for the Secret Avengers after Civil War finished crashing and burning? Sure, both have their own series going (and both series are pretty good, though Captain America is of course better, if it is somewhat... slow, to put it charitably), but that's never stopped Wolverine from being everywhere.
Yeah, Final Fantasy X is a classic. I don't really care so much for FF12, every time I start playing it, I losg interest very, very quickly (why are the main characters so boring?!), but that's just me. As JB said, there's a love-it and a hate-it crowd. Although I'm still kind of pissed about FF13, come to think of it too. Damn Square-Enix, now it'll be even longer till the next FF comes out in English.
Though speaking of comics, and things happening, has anybody read IDW's Transformers Revelation Part 2? Its really kind of sad that more happens in this one issue than in half of Devestation. Oh well, at this rate, Revelation might actually answer most of the important questions it seems. Though some characters look like they'll have a bad end. At least I know I'll be buying the rest of the Revelation issues.
And not sure if the Rakghoul serum is about, but its probably long gone by Dark Times, and the stasis thingy was mainly used to get Celeste across that 4,000 year gap between KotOR and the rest of the comic series. From then on, I guess just chalk it up to the Muur Talisman keeping her young, and its only a century, so its not that big of a stretch. Anyway, using a serum on an army of Rakghouls might be hard, especially since any non Force-sensitive human is almost instantly turned into a Rakghoul if they're nearby the Talisman.
Celeste hasn't meant Luke yet (that's in the upcoming Rebellion issue), but she did duel Vader, but was losing, until Vader saw that the Talisman wasn't worth the effort of fighting for it (not to mention having to fight off a small army of armed Rakghouls) so he left, stranding her on a planet. I like the way Vector's going, but might just be me too.
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MS86,
well how would you rate No Fear, Revenge of the Green Lanterns and Rebirth, and Hal Jordan Wanted as standalones ? I understand Blackest Night is the third act of the crossover, but does that mean Johns will leave the series after the crossover ?
* Assuming Rebirth is the GLC book, it's great. No Fear is a good start but it pales to the story it sets the scene for - Revenge of the Green Lanterns, from there on the story builds to Sinestro Corps. No idea if Johns will leave after Blackest Night but I wouldn't be surprised if he had ideas beyond it.
after 4 issues of SI how do you feel the series is going ?
* I don't think it's going to be the big impact series it was sold to be.
and the new Ultimate Origins ?
* These days I don't really care much about the line, although I'll buy the next USM HC because it remains Bendis' best title.
Black - mental FPS from the makers of Burnout
mental how so ?
* Well, some FPS have you being quiet and stealthy, Black has you using a shotgun to blast down a locked door. If enemies are near a car, blow up the engine. It's a PS2 with a lot of destructable scenary, which is normally a next-gen feature.
Dragon Quest: Journey Of The Cursed King - old-school RPG with great style
isn't the creator of dragon ball z the head of this series ?
* The art style is indeed and it's great.
i could see Thor being busy being Lord of Rainbow land OK, but somehow i feel James will somehow fit in, reluctantly so.
* I want Brubaker to hog writing Bucky, the one time he turned up elsewhere was Wolverine by Way and it was horrible.
at least with crossovers i would say, and johns has been making the DC universe beginner friendly. Morrison not so much. I finally come to believe that both these two companies are equal in their different ways.
* I think DC are much better at showing the impact of an event whereas Marvel simply plough into the next one. As for Johns, the best intro to the intricacy of the DCU via good stories is JSA with Goyer, Johns goes solo from 50 onwards.
does she duel Luke and how does he fare ? also what are u and Child on about ?
* We'll see in Rebellion 15-16. As for the other matter, I take strong exception to COW asserting Legacy means Luke did nothing!
Nobody,
So far, I like Final Crisis far better than Secret Invasion though. The only huge problem with Final Crisis is that the actual FC series doesn't really fit into continuity with many other DC series that were supposed to lead up to FC, but considering how bad many of them were (Countdown, Death of the New Gods, etc.), that might be a good thing.
* Oh, it is! Forget all of what led to FC, that wasn't in Morrison's plan anyway!
In Secret Invasion, maybe... a few hours have passed, and aside from the Skrulls invading, there is still next to no progress. Sure, Fury showed up... then left after rescuing the Young Avengers for some reason. Most of the Avengers are still in the Savage Land, Tony Stark's temporarily is not having a meltdown, Reed's trapped, and there's still no clues to where all the replaced people have gone. And oh, lightning! Wait, did they already have a big event issue end with Thor showing up? Oh well, let's all hope its not another clone. Though not sure if the copies have all the poewrs, considering that pathetic Phoenix.
* I'm finding it to be so-so really, the best stories are in other books like Captain Britain and Incredible Herc.
Though I highly recommend Final Crisis Requiem. As a last goodbye to an old character, its a very good issue. Though I'm hoping that that character actually stays dead, but who knows.
* I thought that was quite an effective piece of work too.
Yeah, Final Fantasy X is a classic. I don't really care so much for FF12, every time I start playing it, I losg interest very, very quickly (why are the main characters so boring?!), but that's just me. As JB said, there's a love-it and a hate-it crowd.
* What I like about FFXII is you are not limited in the old way of character skill sets so if I want to create a bunch of bastard hard magic wielding sword-swinging kickarses - I can!
Although I'm still kind of pissed about FF13, come to think of it too. Damn Square-Enix, now it'll be even longer till the next FF comes out in English.
* You mean it no longer being PS3 exclusive? I tend to see that as akin to Resi 4, sure you can play it on PS2 but the best version is Cube/Wii, it'll be the same for FFXIII.
Though speaking of comics, and things happening, has anybody read IDW's Transformers Revelation Part 2? Its really kind of sad that more happens in this one issue than in half of Devestation. Oh well, at this rate, Revelation might actually answer most of the important questions it seems. Though some characters look like they'll have a bad end. At least I know I'll be buying the rest of the Revelation issues.
* Sounds encouraging, I'll be getting a copy Saturday.
JB
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* Cade may end up redeeming himself.
Even if he does, (which I'm no longer sure will happen, at least to my satisfaction) we still don't get the large and flourishing Jedi Order.:(
By the way, you ought to give it a try - Reaves' style embodies the SW you like and you've already read him due to Death Star.
I actually did buy that book, but I haven't read it yet. I'm still rereading the third book in the Black Fleet Crisis.
* Delusions of grandeur....
LOL!
* Until LOTF came along it looked like they might.
Actually, until VP came along it looked like they would. 
* Emphasis being on the modern, but I'd say you're being impatient as I'm certain Ostrander's Legacy run will end happily.
For me though, that's too late. Luke already lost his legacy and most of his Jedi Order is dead. Luke, Han, and Leia and their children and grandchildren didn't get their happy ending. I'm not sure that Cade deserves a happy ending, but the Big Three did.
MasterSkywalker86
Welcome back, MS!
I try to stay away from Old Rpublic material
I tried some of the prequel stuff, but I really didn't like it.
It has probably been said in our thread predcessors for the umpteenth time but it's a shame there are NO good current Luke stories right now.
I know, and we have to wait even longer for Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor.
they I have to side with RK here KJA material is very underrated. it might not be a zahn masterpiece but it's a good piece of EU that's essential in SW lore. plus Luke WALKS ON LAVA.
And that's a biG plus. I bet Anakin Skywalker wishes he knew how to do that!
um that provides more evidence to my point, why would she care what he thinks ? unless she's concerned with his opinion of her, which means she has feelings for him....i rest my case.
Oh, yes. I agree that she was interested in the Farmboy whether she was willing to admit it or not, and she wanted to look her best for him.
anyway what should I expect of Visions ? it has been 3 years since i read it you know
Well, I liked it expect for Mara's lecturing of Luke.
yeah another set of tragic events, now if this was a comic then the characters would come back.
LOL! So true!
it should have been Luke, but Inferno already placed Luke as the master of that duel, Luke didn't get cut, yeah he got his leg dislocated but who ended up looking like deep fried Vader there ?
That's a good point!
you know what ever happen with that scene ? I mean Mara could have shared some revelations, wisdom, caring words, and her love. all we hear is that Luke sees Mara. way to be a tease.
I know. It was disappointing. I was hoping that maybe we'd actually see Luke talking to her and her responding to him in Invincible, but we didn't get anything.
ah, but I doubt Luke will be a main character in MF, but I could be wrong
I'm hoping there will be a Luke plot as well as a Han and Leia plot, and that they will all meet up later in the book.
does she duel Luke and how does he fare ?
I don't think that part has come out yet.
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* We'll see in Rebellion 15-16. As for the other matter, I take strong exception to COW asserting Legacy means Luke did nothing!
Don't you have to admit that it diminishes Luke and what he does though, JB?
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Even if he does, (which I'm no longer sure will happen, at least to my satisfaction) we still don't get the large and flourishing Jedi Order.:(
Maybe there shouldn't be that many Jedi until the galaxy has grown up a bit.
I actually did buy that book, but I haven't read it yet. I'm still rereading the third book in the Black Fleet Crisis.
* That's quite a good one, save for Leia's story.
Actually, until VP came along it looked like they would.
* Remember that TUF tied things up very well in a hopeful fashion. The idea that DN-LOTF was planned way ahead is sharply contradicted by TUF's ending.
For me though, that's too late. Luke already lost his legacy and most of his Jedi Order is dead. Luke, Han, and Leia and their children and grandchildren didn't get their happy ending. I'm not sure that Cade deserves a happy ending, but the Big Three did.
* As someone who doesn't care for the kids though, I'm not sure it that big a problem. Jaina, Jacen, Ben - they all come across as brats.
Don't you have to admit that it diminishes Luke and what he does though, JB?
* No, because Luke's legacy is inviolate and it wasn't the Jedi or the extermination of the Sith or galactic peace - which one man can't do by himself anyway - it's people. Luke fought the Empire to allow people to live and be free, he enabled people to do that in their trillions - should a great many of them, decades later decide to throw that gift away it reflects upon them and not on Luke.
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Maybe there shouldn't be that many Jedi until the galaxy has grown up a bit.
I think you're grasping at straws for a response here, JB!
* That's quite a good one, save for Leia's story.
I don't think Leia is written all that well during the first two books of the trilogy, but I think she is much better in the third one. And Leia's section is the most exciting one. More happens there than in the Luke or Lando parts. But I'm enjoying all three.
I remember not liking it much when I first read it, but I'm enjoying it this time. Maybe after all the junk we've gotten in the NJO, DN, and LotF, I can appreciate this very complex and interesting story more. One certainly gets the idea that it's a very big galaxy in reading the BFC. Not so much in LotF, DN, or even the NJO.
* Remember that TUF tied things up very well in a hopeful fashion. The idea that DN-LOTF was planned way ahead is sharply contradicted by TUF's ending.
I agree.
* As someone who doesn't care for the kids though, I'm not sure it that big a problem. Jaina, Jacen, Ben - they all come across as brats.
But Luke, Han, and Leia DO deserve a happy ending. I don't think Cade does. He's really unlikeable.
* No, because Luke's legacy is inviolate and it wasn't the Jedi or the extermination of the Sith or galactic peace - which one man can't do by himself anyway - it's people.
I still think that the Jedi should have been Luke's legacy. I hate that the very premise and existence of Legacy takes that away from him.
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I don't think Leia is written all that well during the first two books of the trilogy, but I think she is much better in the third one. And Leia's section is the most exciting one. More happens there than in the Luke or Lando parts. But I'm enjoying all three.
* Leia's section pretty much read to me that she was getting herself out of a hole of her own creation by doing the usual dubious crap she's permitted to do.
I remember not liking it much when I first read it, but I'm enjoying it this time. Maybe after all the junk we've gotten in the NJO, DN, and LotF, I can appreciate this very complex and interesting story more. One certainly gets the idea that it's a very big galaxy in reading the BFC. Not so much in LotF, DN, or even the NJO.
* Yeah, in NJO it's possible to mine whole swathes of the galaxy!
But Luke, Han, and Leia DO deserve a happy ending. I don't think Cade does. He's really unlikeable.
* Cade does have his plus points, I particularly like what he did to Rav - and no, he didn't kill him. Here's the thing: Every series that jumps forward in time, unlike SW, ties off the era it was in for the characers of the time. Thus Riftwar: We see Arutha die in the 1st book of Serpentwar, as an old man fulfilling his duty as the Prince of Krondor, it doesn't take anything away from him because the point is clear: The Riftwar and the Dark Elves Rebellion were arutha's battles, he fought and won them and then ruled in exemplary fashion for many years. The Serpentwar will be fought by others, who we are introduced to and they give way to others, who fight the Darkwar. Only SW refuses to make an absolute jump.
I still think that the Jedi should have been Luke's legacy. I hate that the very premise and existence of Legacy takes that away from him.
* I'd say it's somewhat obvious that Ostrander's arc will see the Jedi prevail against their enemies, both Sith and Empire, what's less obvious is how it'll happen. In any case, the Jedi will remain and probably become more successful by the end. John O has pulled off some very clever sleight of hand in the past and I'm convinced that is in play in Legacy. Of course, if this does indeed happen then what we end up with is a Jedi Order that is proven to be best by following Luke's, rather than others, example, such as the old order. So that legacy actually becomes resurgent.
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* Leia's section pretty much read to me that she was getting herself out of a hole of her own creation by doing the usual dubious crap she's permitted to do.
Partially, but Nil Spaar didn't help much either.
Here's the thing: Every series that jumps forward in time, unlike SW, ties off the era it was in for the characers of the time.
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, Dark Horse didn't give Del Rey enough of a gap between the two eras to complete the story of Luke, Leia, and Han before jumping ahead with new characters and a new story. If they would have either waited until the story of the Big Three was finished OR moved forward 500 years, or even 200 years, it would have been so much better. Then the two eras wouldn't be in danger of limiting one another and ruining the life's work of Luke, Leia, and Han.
* I'd say it's somewhat obvious that Ostrander's arc will see the Jedi prevail against their enemies, both Sith and Empire, what's less obvious is how it'll happen. In any case, the Jedi will remain and probably become more successful by the end.
As I said though, JB, it will be too late. The Jedi who will do the prevailing won't be Luke's Jedi or even of Luke's tradition. They will be the Jedi Order of K'Kruhk and that other Old Republic Jedi.
Of course, if this does indeed happen then what we end up with is a Jedi Order that is proven to be best by following Luke's, rather than others, example, such as the old order. So that legacy actually becomes resurgent.
Not so, JB! We already know that the Jedi are now led by Jedi of the Old Order, NOT Jedi of Luke's Order, Luke's tradition. If KK and that other Old Republic Jedi weren't around and weren't leading the Jedi, THEN we could say that Luke was responsible, but now, we can't.
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COW,
Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, Dark Horse didn't give Del Rey enough of a gap between the two eras to complete the story of Luke, Leia, and Han before jumping ahead with new characters and a new story.
* Were we talking any other publisher than DR I might agree with you, but I don't think any gap would have worked.
If they would have either waited until the story of the Big Three was finished OR moved forward 500 years, or even 200 years, it would have been so much better. Then the two eras wouldn't be in danger of limiting one another and ruining the life's work of Luke, Leia, and Han.
* Dr is just too fond of time jumps.
As I said though, JB, it will be too late. The Jedi who will do the prevailing won't be Luke's Jedi or even of Luke's tradition. They will be the Jedi Order of K'Kruhk and that other Old Republic Jedi.
* Not necessarily, as I said, I'm convinced John O is playing SW fans like a fiddle and we fall for it!
Of course, if this does indeed happen then what we end up with is a Jedi Order that is proven to be best by following Luke's, rather than others, example, such as the old order. So that legacy actually becomes resurgent.
* Not if those leaders fail to the point where another, more recent Jedi tradition is looked to...As I say, I'm fairly certain John's playing us and having a lot of fun in the process, but I've read his work before thus I discern his handiwork and refuse to play along!
Not so, JB! We already know that the Jedi are now led by Jedi of the Old Order, NOT Jedi of Luke's Order, Luke's tradition. If KK and that other Old Republic Jedi weren't around and weren't leading the Jedi, THEN we could say that Luke was responsible, but now, we can't.
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[]I've read DS9: Fearful Symmetry, but honestly... I just don't give a dman about the DS9 relaunch storyline anymore. When was the last book in the stupid series?! [/i]
Quality trumps quality. The relaunch has been pretty good so far, and FS kicked butt.
(though I thought Before Dishonor was stupid, despite the writer usually writing good stuff)
Not as bad as Q&A, though. Yeesh...
When Unity came, I thought they had a nice momentum going, but that's pretty much all gone by now. I've really got to get around to reading that Terek Nor trilogy though, maybe something more self-contained will restore some of my interest in Star Trek books.
The Terek Nor trilogy was awesome. And that's one of the strengths of the ST books. A lot of them-most of them-are self-contained. There's nice nods to other series, but by and large, you don't have to read the IKS Gorkon books to know what's going on with the SCE series.
Unfortunately, I've mostly given up on IDW Transformers too. There are still occasional good issues, but I'm kind of annoyed that they now have that Decepticon series, with still not many or any answers about the Dead Universe or most things related to it.
TF takes time, but usually, the payoff's good. I'm just doing the trades anyway.
I don't mind Denning writing Luke that much, at least Denning's Luke is a really impressive Grandmaster. And during SbS, they had some nice Luke and Mara moments. Of course, we can't even have that anymore, what with Mara gone and all.
Ah, how lovely fanon is. What death? She's still alive to me!
And while a past Cybertronian Golden Age pops up in many Transformers continuities, here, the official history is that Megatron wrecked that, but after that Megatron Origins thing, not to mention the Dead Universe villain being Nemesis Prime, the Autobots don't seem as good anymore.
They did that in Dreamwave, too. Except it was an assassination against him. Heck, the G1 Great War could be seen in a tragic light as it was either taint by Unicron or they just couldn't overcome their programming.
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* Given that there was a change of author for Fearful Symmetry I would say the relaunch hit major trouble, as instead of being able to plan out future books, the editors had to sort out the mess created by the first author not doing the job. In contrast TNG is at the start of its relaunch, the works would have been lined up and everyone turned their work in on time.
Oh, no wonder! I finished Fearful. How did you like it?
* No, they shortened it to 4 issues and did via Spotlights. I'm a bit irritated by this, as it seems there's been some office politics at IDW, on the plus side there'll be a 5-issue Maximum Dinobots by Furman and Roche.
Let's just hope this one actually gets finished. *GLares at DW*
* That's pretty much always been a theme of Furman's though: the humans always attack the Autobots, it's why I'm inclined to give All Hail Megatron a try despite reservations - just to watch humanity get its arse kicked for forever attacking the good guys.
Yeah, look at the Unicron saga in the old Marvel series, or the number of times the Autobots and Decepticons teamed up in G1. Heck, when I did my SW/TF crossover, I had them team up against the Vong.
As Yoda once said, "Now things are worse." The OT characters left no lasting legacy. It's almost like they never existed. Their efforts were for nothing.
* Most of the time you're intelligent enough not to come out with rubbish like this, you know?
I agree with Windy on this, actually. it was like the Bantam Era was a short breather before the Sith reared up again and unleashed hell upon the galaxy.
* As someone who doesn't care for the kids though, I'm not sure it that big a problem. Jaina, Jacen, Ben - they all come across as brats.
Ever read the YJK, Ben? Jacen and Jaina lost maturity as they got older.
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Which is truly sad since Luke had spent his lifetime building up the Order only to have it decimated in a day. As I said in the Lit SOS thread, the Order always seems to be in rebuilding mode. They can never do what Jedi are supposed to do because they always have to keep starting over it seems.
And I like the Jedi going off on adventures, helping people out. it's neat!
Denning didn't get a lot of stuff about SW. RE: Star By Str, the DNT, Tatooine Ghost...
SO true!
I didn't like any SW book he's written, I'll confess.
It is certainly way above anything Del Rey has put out. It wasn't one of my favorite stories, probably because Luke spent most of one book in a coma, but it wasn't one of my least favorites either.
Ah. Well, I didn't mind Luke being in a coma. And I felt it took one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and Kyp Durron to take him down, and even then, they didn't take him out. 
The YJK. I read those before the Thrawn Trilogy... before finishing the OT. Without those, I wouldn't be on these boards... or possibly alive.
I'm glad that you are!
Thanks. I was... really messed up in the mid-90's. The YJK provided me with a light in the darkness. A small one... but it drove away the shadows.
CONGRATULATIONS! , Striker!!!! That's WONDERFUL news!!!
Thank you. Now... let's all hope I don't go crazy, okay?
And that's a biG plus. I bet Anakin Skywalker wishes he knew how to do that!
Ooh, Windy! Nice one, there! 
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well RL has been hectic, my new job at Target calls me when they need me(for the most part) and it kinda changes my daily routine quite a bit.
You work for Target? I work for Walmart. We must now duel to the death. Hope the job's going well for you.
also am I the only who's seeing stars or did I had too much Corellian ale ?
Part of the 10-year anniversary for the boards.
hey I have to side with RK here KJA material is very underrated. it might not be a zahn masterpiece but it's a good piece of EU that's essential in SW lore.
plus Luke WALKS ON LAVA
THANK YOU! I was wondering if either I read the wrong books, or my taste was that bad.
yeah another set of tragic events, now if this was a comic then the characters would come back. but sadly none in LOTF, only IRREVELANT characters do.
And in my fanon Tenel Ka and Jacen had twins and have been married for ten years. Oh, and Jaina's Rogue Lead.
you know what ever happen with that scene ? I mean Mara could have shared some revelations, wisdom, caring words, and her love. all we hear is that Luke sees Mara. way to be a tease.
"Luke, Jacen killed me!"
"Duh..."
"Luke?"
"Duh..."
"Luke, hello? Oh for kriff... Luke, I'm dating your father in the afterlife! Hello, farmboy?"
LOL. Same here, dude. RL and other stuff's been coming up badly.
you're telling me, how's u ?
I got a promotion at work, we just had inventory and my schedule's shifted around so I work in the morning. It's a lot better than before.
it still is, the new Batman series doesn't even hold up to par, also it would have been nice of Bale in Batman Begins and TDK to do more of Kevin Conroy then a 3 pack a day smoker Batman.
I've seen 'The Batman', and you're right. Nothing comnpared the TAS. That was one of the definitive Batmen.
I suppose,it would have been better if they went with mystical rather than sci-fi. have u seen Iron Man and Hulk ?
Waiting for DVD for those. No real time, sadly.
I supposedly hear Diamond select is doing some SW figures in a bunch of scales and jedi Luke is suppose to be one of the figures.
I'd buy those!
who wouldn't, they did a great job with marvel select.
I've seen pics of those, so yeah. They'd rock.
I was always a Frasier man myself.
I saw the first few seasons of that. I wonder if Niles ever married Daphne...
want me to spoil u ?
lol, sure.
or a decent 6" scale u know ?
Yeah! It's so pathetic, how tiny and unposeable most of them are.
plastic breakable mush they are.
Cheap, unposable, fragile...  Hey, Lucasarts! We'd like some qaulity for a change!
... Am I the only person who liked the JAT for what it was, and not in comparison to the Trilogy of Suck?
*raises hand*
Thanks. Seriously, leagues above anything post-YJK.
where's Lowie ? and what happen to Ben Skywalker ? or 3po ? or Lando's child ? Corran's kids ? the Antilles ?
Or Allana? Or for the heck of it, Lusa?
What three letters?
The YJK. I read those before the Thrawn Trilogy... before finishing the OT. Without those, I wouldn't be on these boards... or possibly alive.
why u say that ?
*Sigh*
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in the mid-90's, i was messed up. I was living with an emotionally, mental and attempted physcally abusive stepfather who made my mother cry every night. We were semi-homeless for most of my sixth grade school year. I had 1-3 friends at high school. I was... depressed, contemplating suicide. In 100% seriousness, nmind you.
1995, I go to the local Waldenbooks and pick upo the first book I see-Heirs to the Force. My reaction... "Star Wars? Didn't that have something to do wit that guy with asthma?"
I was hooked.
I'm not gonna say it was the BIG reason I didn't kill myself, but it lifted my spirits. It showed me that the good guys could win, the bad guys could lose. I smiled when I read it. I laughed at Jacen's jokes. Hell, I wanted to be Jacen. We both have brown hair and eyes and similar features. Why not? Even similar ages! And he had the hottest girl at school crushing on him! To me, he was the man, the coolest!
Some people wonder why I am so vehemently opposed to the direction Del rey's taken with the EU. Well... considering what thr YJK did for me, it would be dishonorable for me not to try and help it out as much as I can.
I work at a Walmart, so... yeah.
I work at a Target myself.
*Ignites lightsaber* How's it working out? I actually shop at Target on occasion.
can't wait for your review.
Not bad, although Cade and Talon=  I did like her spech to Cade in front of that mural, though. The reveal of Krayt as Hett worked, too. And holy cow, freaky Moff lady is Cade's mother!  I was legit shocked by that, too.
I also saw two complete episodes of the Spiderman series. Man, Black Cat... I am shocked they let her get away with some of that innuendo. Dang... And the symbiote, there. Hmm...
Anyone else ever see Avatar: The Last Airbender? It's a show on Nickelodeon. Animated... but one of the best shows I've ever seen. Live-action or animated, seriously.
Wnat character development? Zuko 101 for the win. Heck, all of them. They just had their series finale last week and... wow.
If anyone's seen it, speak up. If you haven't, I will buy ou the boxed sets and mail them to you.
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Jedi Ben :* Were we talking any other publisher than DR I might agree with you, but I don't think any gap would have worked.
Well, you ARE probably right about DR, but you've got to admit that Legacy WAS placed too close to LotF anyway. That was NOT a good decision by DH. They are limited in their story-telling and in the characters they can use because of it, and so is DR.
* Dr is just too fond of time jumps.
It's not just DR's fault though, JB. There will only be two years between LotF and MF, but that still means they're moving ever closer.
As I said though, JB, it will be too late. The Jedi who will do the prevailing won't be Luke's Jedi or even of Luke's tradition. They will be the Jedi Order of K'Kruhk and that other Old Republic Jedi.
* Not necessarily, as I said, I'm convinced John O is playing SW fans like a fiddle and we fall for it!
So what do you think he's going to do so that the PT Jedi aren't the ones who will prevail?
* Not if those leaders fail to the point where another, more recent Jedi tradition is looked to...As I say, I'm fairly certain John's playing us and having a lot of fun in the process, but I've read his work before thus I discern his handiwork and refuse to play along!
I've read his stuff too, you know! But I fear that John likes his own PR characters too much and that's why he's making them important again in Legacy. I really don't think he's planning on having Jedi of Luke's tradition prevail. I think he'd rather have his own characters be triumphant.
We already know that the Jedi are now led by Jedi of the Old Order, NOT Jedi of Luke's Order, Luke's tradition. If KK and that other Old Republic Jedi weren't around and weren't leading the Jedi, THEN we could say that Luke was responsible, but now, we can't.
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I agree with Windy on this, actually. it was like the Bantam Era was a short breather before the Sith reared up again and unleashed hell upon the galaxy.
Thanks, Striker!
And I like the Jedi going off on adventures, helping people out. it's neat!
So do I! Why can't we have some good, old-fashioned, swashbuckling adventure stories rather than Galaxy-threatening conflicts or tons of Sith coming out of the framework????
I'm not a Denning fan either, Striker. About the only thing I really like that he wrote was when he had Luke pinning Jacen to his seat with the Force and having that seat go down, down, down, until Jacen was actually on the floor like a little kid!
Ah. Well, I didn't mind Luke being in a coma.
Well, *I* did!
And I felt it took one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time and Kyp Durron to take him down, and even then, they didn't take him out.
I suppose there was that...
I was... really messed up in the mid-90's. The YJK provided me with a light in the darkness. A small one... but it drove away the shadows.
I'm glad. It's terrible what has been done to most of those characters from the YJK books. I wonder what KJA and his wife think about all of the death and darkness that has befallen those characters?
Now... let's all hope I don't go crazy, okay?
I'm sure you'll be GREAT!
you know what ever happen with that scene ? I mean Mara could have shared some revelations, wisdom, caring words, and her love. all we hear is that Luke sees Mara. way to be a tease.
"Luke, Jacen killed me!"
"Duh..."
LOL! That's pretty much how dense Luke has been in this series!
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RK,
* Been a while!
Quality trumps quality. The relaunch has been pretty good so far, and FS kicked butt.
* FS was a good read but I really want to know when the threads are getting picked up.
The Terek Nor trilogy was awesome.
* It was indeed excellent, Dukat was the total bastard we know him to be but throughout maintains his wonderfully deluded benevolent self-image.
And that's one of the strengths of the ST books. A lot of them-most of them-are self-contained. There's nice nods to other series, but by and large, you don't have to read the IKS Gorkon books to know what's going on with the SCE series.
* But frankly anyone who doesn't read Gorkon/Klingon Empire is missing a great set of stories!
Oh, no wonder! I finished Fearful. How did you like it?
* Very good, Dukat becomes worse than we thought, but the DSN relaunch is in need of some attention to remind pople it exists.
Let's just hope this one actually gets finished. *GLares at DW*
* Seen the news from San Diego on this front? Actually sounds very good.
I agree with Windy on this, actually. it was like the Bantam Era was a short breather before the Sith reared up again and unleashed hell upon the galaxy.
* A breather of 100 years? Come on, I know why people go down this chain of thought but it really is one devoid of merit.
COW,
Well, you ARE probably right about DR, but you've got to admit that Legacy WAS placed too close to LotF anyway. That was NOT a good decision by DH. They are limited in their story-telling and in the characters they can use because of it, and so is DR.
* It's at least 80 years, I don't buy that it is that much of a limit - if it really is then DR are simply creatively bankrupt.
It's not just DR's fault though, JB. There will only be two years between LotF and MF, but that still means they're moving ever closer.
* Eh? MF is by DR and features their usual evasion of consequence by jumping forward past all that mesy sort of stuff.
So what do you think he's going to do so that the PT Jedi aren't the ones who will prevail?
* Their outlook will be shown to fail, they will likely die in battle and it'll be Luke's tradition that is looked to.
I've read his stuff too, you know! But I fear that John likes his own PR characters too much and that's why he's making them important again in Legacy. I really don't think he's planning on having Jedi of Luke's tradition prevail. I think he'd rather have his own characters be triumphant.
* No, think you're reading a bit too much into it, if that was the case why even have a Skywalker present?
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should we fall - we will know that we have lived."
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ChildOfWinds
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Apr '01
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Date Posted:
7/26 8:39am
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RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
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Jedi Ben :
* It's at least 80 years, I don't buy that it is that much of a limit - if it really is then DR are simply creatively bankrupt.
Actually, I think 80 years would constrict any publisher. Del Rey already know that they have to make the Empire more and more powerful. They know that there are massive numbers of Sith around. They know that any plans they have for a stable and prosperous GA are doomed to failure. They know the Jedi are going to have to splinter fairly soon. They already had to make Jag an important person in the Empire and we already know he'll become the next emperor and Jaina, the Empress. Without Legacy, that wasn't a necessity. Jaina could have become the commander of the Alliance Forces or head of the Jedi after Luke. Now we know that won't happen. And that's just one example of how Legacy has constricted the novels. It will get worse and worse as the timelines get closer together too. We already know that Dark Horse can't use a lot of characters or even the offspring of those characters because they are "respecting Del Rey". If Dark Horse had moved forward a couple of hundred years, neither publishing company would have been restricted in what they wrote and Legacy really could have been an "All New Star Wars".
* Their outlook will be shown to fail, they will likely die in battle and it'll be Luke's tradition that is looked to.
I would like that to be true, but I remain skeptical. As I've said, I think that like other authors (Traviss with Boba and Mandos, Denning with Saba, Zahn with Thrawn) enjoy using their own characters and giving them fairly large roles, I fear that John is doing the same with his prequel characters, putting them farther in the spotlight than they should be.
* No, think you're reading a bit too much into it, if that was the case why even have a Skywalker present?
To hook the reading SW audience, of course. Why do you think Luke was put on the cover of one of the early issues?
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