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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/5 12:26pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	also forgot to mention about the new contract with DR....what do you think about these new story ideas ? -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 10/5 1:46pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Occasionally, the boards won't let me make long posts. Every time I try, the post I type usually just ends in a error page or something. Still not sure if its my firewall or the boards, but its very annoying, and I have no idea when it'll resolve itself. And considering how long our posts usually are in this thread, its very annoying. And not too enthused about the new novel contract, though glad they're at least answering what happened to Zekk pretty quickly after Invincible's non-ending. By the way, anyone else watching the new Clone Wars TV series? At least if you're in the US (sorry JB). Its surprisingly very good for what it is. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 10/5 7:57pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Hi, Folks! I'll post when I have more time. Just wanted to comment here: Nobody145 Occasionally, the boards won't let me make long posts. Every time I try, the post I type usually just ends in a error page or something. Still not sure if its my firewall or the boards, but its very annoying, and I have no idea when it'll resolve itself. N, I think it's a time thing. If you write a really long post, it takes too long, so you get an error message. That's happened to me a few times. I've found though, that if you just push Post Reply a second time, it works just fine.
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 10/5 8:28pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I hate DRL. Hates it hates it HATES IT!!!!! Nobody145: Hm, it would be interesting to see debates about how artificial life is treated in Star Wars, but not sure the droids would protest that much. I would. I legit see droids as a slave caste in the GFFA. Two of my favorite TNG episodes are 'Measure of a Man' and 'The Offspring'. Now imagine how Optimus slaggin' Prime himself would be if he saw their treatment. Droids in Star Wars are much more bound by their programming than Transformers are bound by any programming instincts. I mean, sure, Threepio complains, but its not like he can actually harm anyone ever, right? Yeah, but doesn't mean he's not alive. He's not violent like HK-47 is all. Autobots would probably just negotiate. Decepticons would just try to take over, as normal. Though seeing the Nemesis take on a Star Destroyer might be an interesting match. But not sure if Transformers ever had that much of a fleet in any continuity. Well, they could always build a fleet. In the G1 series premiere, the Decepticons build a star cruiser with only Earth materials and do a danged good job with it. Now imagine GFFA tech instead... If we're talking something bigger, like Devestator trying to take apart a Star Destroyer, that might be interesting, though if the Star Destroyer blew up, that probably wouldn't be pleasant for Devestator. Worse for the star destroyer, though. TIE fighters would probably be on par with the Seekers in maneuverability in space, maybe? Skylynx was what, about shuttle size? Well, maybe a city block-size at most. Trypticon taking on AT-ATs might be interesting, but overall, I don't think Transformers ever had that many numbers to take on dozens of capital ships or ground troops. Most G1 incarnations have the Transformers on the tail end of a civil war lasting millions of years, devastating Cybertron and leaving them in the proverbial dark ages. A proper Cybertronian empire or federation... I don't see the GFFA having much of a chance. Nyna Calixte is a very... interesting character, to say the least. She does seem to love Cade, and probably loved Kol, considering how when she left, she couldn't bear to say good-bye to Cade, or else she couldn't leave. It would've been better if she DIDN'T leave. She had a responsibility to Cade and Kol! And she has a point, that as an Imperial spy, its not like Morrigan Corde would've really fit in with the Jedi, and that the rest of the Jedi might not have liked having her as the mother of the next Skywalker heir. She made her bad, so she should've lied in it. Not fair to Cade at all. While she did help arrange the Sith-Imperial alliance, the Ossus Massacre happened before she knew about it, according to one flashback issue in Legacy, the Ossus Massacre happened without Roan Fel's approval, against his official orders actually, so Calixte only found out about it too late, I think. Okay, that's something. Yeah, I remember those scenes. And I actually like the Predator designs, then again I like almost all Legacy-era designs... oh well, to each their own taste. I also like most Legacy designs, but the Predators just look too fragile to me. She does still seem to love Cade at least, as at the end of Claws of the Dragon, she whispered "run" to the hologram of her and her husband and son. That freaked me the HELL out! ANd shocked me, too. First time in a long time I didn't seek out spoilers on something. The Legacy comics certainly have a lot of nice, very interesting plotlines, and originally, I loved how it was exploring a brand new era of Star Wars, but by now Zayne's taken up most of my interest, comic-wise, since Zayne is such an awesome character. Not to mention that Cade simply isn't that likabe. I do think Cade has a point when he complains about what's the point of being a Jedi (if he's read up on what happened during the GA-Confederation War, that could leave anyone wary about serving the galaxy) and his life post-Ossus has certainly jaded him. Zayne on the other hand is just lovable and aweome in most ways. Zayne's from KOTOR, right? You would recommend that series to me? On the subject of the upcoming Millenium Falcon book... well, yeah, JB summed up the initial problems with it pretty well. Ahough there is some hope because Luceno is writing it, but honestly, its set in the post-LotF status quo, so its hard to tell how much even Luceno could salvage from that horrible situation. Zahn and KJA themselves couldn't do anything to salvage that boondoggle! Yeah, the saddest thing about the end of the last Batman/Zatanna possible romance is that Batman essentially said he's too messed up a person to actually have a romance. Man... I'm glad I don't follow DC comics much anymore and have stuck to the Timmverse DCAU. MasterSkywalker86: Aahhhh these colors, odd choice for the fall. but i guess it goes with the theme. How's all ? School just started and I had a rather amusing week. it seems my posting style falls under the categorey of "posts for a while, vanishes, and reappears". LOL, that's mine too. I just which the EU POST ROTJ would have been made to series rather than the clone wars series....really haven't we said enough with the first clone war series ? Same here. I was sick of the Clone Wars halfway between AOTC and ROTS! ChildOfWinds: I'm not very popular on the boards, Striker, but I don't let others keep me from speaking out when I have something to say. You shouldn't either. Well, with the YJK review thread... I'll be popping up a lot more. It takes time to develop characters and for people to "accept" them and feel comfortable with them...to CARE enough about them to want to read about them, especially new characters who are created in established franchise universes. The YJK had 14 books, and by the end, I fully accepted them as the new heroes for the new generation. Now... nope. Throwing out some name and going, "He/she's the next hero because we say so!" does not a new hero make. It does, doesn't it. I actually liked the character of Morrigan Corde until I found out she was Calixte. Now I don't look at her in the same way and I no longer respect her or care about her. She caused the galaxy to be in the mess that it's in. She conspired with SITH. Everyone should know that you can't trust Sith! She's responsible for the GA's defeat, and for the purge of the Jedi. She's responsible for Kol's death and for the fact that Cade is the way he is. Yeah. She's dropped a bit on my list, too. After how long, you'd think people would finally go Sith=bad. But nooooo.... Makes more sense than anything else. Shrug A rather pathetic and badly-named series, there. Par for the course, sadly. Sadly, yes. They've all been badly named, IMHO. Right. And he was only selfishly trying to save his daughter. He didn't care about all of the other Hapans who died because of the nanovirus. He didn't sacrifice his life for Allana's, and he didn't show any regret for anything he had done. Can't add anything there. You're right. He even snapped Isolder's neck and incinerated the body... Joser_Kyind: Hey, everyone. I wish the mods would have let the SOS thread stay in the lit forum, but at least it still lives on in some form. I still haven't been able to bring myself to finish Invincible, especially after suffering through Revelation. Oh, that book was so bad, KT's "unique" POV was shared by 90% of the characters. Perhaps what bothered me the most about that one was that everyone and their sister knew all sorts of details about Mandalorian culture and language, to the point that such references were even crowbarred into Luke Skywalker's dialogue, but for some reason nobody had ever heard of the Sith before Hey, dude. Good to see you again. LOL, I never even read any LOTF novels. Yeah, the Mando-fanboying was beyond contrived. -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 10/6 2:48pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 10/6 3:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi Ben
	Ah, some activity! Fi-i-inally! Striker, You need to read Star Trek: Destiny: Book One: Gods of Night. I've now finished and it's absolutely great, plus part 2 is end of Oct, part 3 end of Nov. This is coming out fast and hitting hard. MS86, yup...what are your expectations with SW books now adays. I haven't heard your opinion ever since I convince u to read DNT(forgive me)and attain the rank of jedi knight. how about the Legacy series ? * You mean LOTF? Read Betrayal and bailed, suspected the plot would be as transparent as it appears to have been. see this is where DE 2 and EE could have been salvaged from the horrendous damage they did to the original DE. I would love to see Luke force throwing ancient sith pillars and statues at dead sith spirits. * I tend to see the damage flowing from the truncated EE: Cut from 6 issues to 2! hopefully Fraction can undo the damage that Millar done to Peter and Stark's friendship. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the dvd now. IMO it was the movie of the summer of course most ppl will tell you it's Dark Knight. * You know Iron Man for me retained its crown by the slimmest of margins, yes? o would I, I hope it's not your typical villian cliche...this series has been going places and I'm happy with how Brubaker has handle things. he has shaken the total status quo of Cap and expand the story with new possiblities. I think this is what you meant when Alan Moore wrote Watchmen. * In a way that could apply, I'd say we could be looking at a definitive run here which is near to what Watchmen did. * I'm certain he has something planned in that respect we'll never see coming. so the ads have been bothing you ? exactly what ads do they give out ? I agree that DH has produce some good SW material, my favorites have been Legacy and SW Tales. * It's the size of the comics in physical terms that finally did it, I'm good at skipping and ignoring ads but when the TPB of 5 issues is half the size of the issues in relative terms and space is limited, you can see the appeal. * You should start reading KOTOR too, in some areas and ways it's even better than Legacy. as for DR I dunno...there's no thinking process or they like to make too much bang for their buck. I mean 19 books of YVWar AND 9 books where they kill off Jacen and his character ? * I have started viewing DR's far post-ROTJ work as being split into NJO and DN-LOTF rather than NJO-DN-LOTF as I find it hard to link the two sets. c'mon give the guys a break from war o less books dealing with it, they're almost following a trait from Bantam but instead of having superweapons threaten the galaxy we now have continous wars springing up like brushfires. * The strange thing is that Bantam didn't have that many superweapons, there was about 4 and that was it: Sun Crusher, Eye of Palpatine, Darksaber, Centrepoint. also what o you think of Nat Skywalker ? * I like Nat, I like that he doesn't hold back from laying into Cade when Cade starts talking crap. * The other stunning effect is the compression, it's amazing how much space the issues were taking up. Have also hit DC with a similarly stunning reduction. Future months will see Marvel, IDW and Vertigo plus independents being upgraded. you must have a least 3 bookcases littered with single issues. * I've these Really Useful 9L boxes that are perfect for stacking and sliding under the bed and have: 14 Marvel 16 DC 4 Star Wars 2 Wildstorm 6 Vertigo * They are quite small boxes, nowhere near the size of long boxes or anything but works well. The long-term plan is to sling a load of bookcases into the spare bedroom and transfer the trades into them plus the SF /fantasy books. I will probably need 3 full-size Billy bookcases 80cm from Ikea! JB p.s. On long posts, there does seem to be a time-out / offline effect, I find hitting back and reposting works. EDIT: Upcoming books? I like the sound of the KOTOR one that'll be featuring Nomi, anything by Reaves gets bought, the one that features Great Hyperspace War intrigues and there's the Bane book that should tie that series up nicely but that's about it for me. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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RK_Striker_JK_5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 10/6 6:25pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Jedi_Ben: You need to read Star Trek: Destiny: Book One: Gods of Night. I've now finished and it's absolutely great, plus part 2 is end of Oct, part 3 end of Nov. This is coming out fast and hitting hard. LOL, I will! I need to get through some semi-lean times. I gotta get my car inspected and registered. I turn 30 on the 17th of this month. Oh, what do you think would happen if the G1 Transformers woke up in the GFFA? -----signature----- E-married to the wonderful DarthIshtar. Now also her Padawan. Member of the Y.J.K. Revolution Staring into the Darkness http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/27537567/p1/?23
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 10/7 12:26pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Ah, car costs - OK, yep they will blitz your bank account RK. As to Transformers, I don't think they'd be very happy, do you? -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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ChildOfWinds Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 10/8 9:14pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Sheesh! I see I'm really way behind here! It's pretty late, so I'll probably only be able to respond to a post or two tonight. MasterSkywalker86 :the continuity doesn't bother me as much as them adding more Clone Wars stories. I know... The Clone Wars are being WAY overdone, and I'm simply NOT interested in that timeframe. * There's no need for DR to do a 9-book series all in HC, but if people show an inclination to buy this stuff, why not? sigh .. what happen to quality ? And I also want to know why Del Rey always feels that they have to do a huge multi-book series in the post RotJ timeframe? What's wrong with all single books, duologies, or trilogies as Bantam did? And the fact that they're making them all hardcovers is ridiculous. They certainly are greedy for money, aren't they? Do you realize how EXPENSIVE this FotJ series is going to be for people who BUY the books? Yikes! school has been busy and productive for me, I'm learning programming, design, intro to UNIX, and algreba. I got a full plate for this semester. Well, that will keep you busy and out of trouble! Good Luck! I'm kinda happy that Luke is considering Mara's advice, though I dont agree with her asessment of Palp reborn... The thing is, Luke sort of made the decision to use the Force less already in SotP before he had that amazing vision of many different things. I hope both are good, especially the Luke book...maybe we can get a series..... Oh, yes! A LUKE series would be wonderful! the characters are surprisingly likeable but like the prequels you know how things are going to play out. Yes, you already know how things are basically going to turn out in the galaxy. there's a reason I call myself MASTERskywalker86. LOL! hey Joser it's been a while. Joser seems to be using those Fallanassi tricks too! Nobody145 The way I see in, post-war, Calixte was planning to have Veed depose Fel, she controls Veed (although he doesn't mind too much, since he has some autonomy), That is possible. and then she'd play the Jedi vs. the Sith, Which is a very dangerous game to play! and maybe try to have her husband and son captured at one point, Wouldn't it be rather hard to capture Jedi? What I mean is that if the Jedi hadn't been removed from the galactic playing field so quickly because Veed sent troops to help the Sith wipe out the Ossus Academy, With the Jedi gone though due to Veed's incompetentence, she then has to warn Fel to escape, so that Fel on the run will keep the Sith from having absolute control over the Empire. Yeah, she should have watched Veed more carefully! Now, Morrigan Corde might still be officially married to Kol Skywalker, but the number of people in that galaxy who know Morrigan Corde and Calixte are one in the same could probably be counted on one hand. The number of people who know Morrigan Corde is Cade's mother? I doubt its even in the double digits. This is probably true. Yage is probably going to go ballistic when he finds out, not to mention Cade... And yes, I agree that KotoR is the comic to watch right now. More soon... I hope!
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 10/9 1:20am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0 - Date Edited: 10/9 1:22am (1 edits total) Edited By: Nobody145
	Argh, I give up on trying to make a long post!! I don't know if my post is too long, or if its just this particular forum (I've made sorta long posts in other forum, and they worked out fine). I just hope a medium-size post makes it through this time, since I'm only going to bother answering the last few posts/posters. JB- I've read the first book of Star Trek Destiny, and... well, I guess I'm just not a fan of the Star Trek books much anymore. What with the impending "Oh, Columbia-Captain babe, save us from the Borg!" plot and the soap opera family issues (I like that they work with canon, even if only to retcon it, like saying Troi giving birth to Ian did screw up her system, contrary to the episode itself) and the general overuse of the Borg threat. The Borg was TNG's most formidable enemy (which was another reason why First Contact was so awesome), but... well, my favorite recent Star Trek book was Q&A, mainly for the lack of Borg. It was a well-written book though (far better than Before Dishonor), and I especially look forward to the Klingon actually taking on the Borg, though I jsut hope it doesn't end badly and cause Martok to lose power or something like that). And Transformers Revelation finally concluded today and... well, all I can say is that IDW must be idiots to drag things out with AHM when this should've at least gotten 6 issues intead of being crammed into four Spotlights (which meant they had to spend at least some time on the actual Spotlight character instead of resolving plot better). Oh, and double Green Lantern stuff today, not much happened yet, but mainly sets the stage for what should be a very exciting month for Green Lantern next month. Hope to hear your thoughts when you get the comics. RK_Striker I highly recommend the KotOR comics, its my favorite corner of the EU right now, with Luke's era constantly getting worse and Legacy's Cade still not being that likable. I don't like the KotoR games with how "all-powerful" their Revan and Jedi Mary Sue, er, Jedi Exile characters are supposed to be, but Zayne more than makes up for it. Not to mention The Gryph (yes, I capitlized the T, that Snivvian is that fun)! CoW (and sorta) RK_Striker- Yeah, Calixte is playing a very dangerous game. Then again, when are Imperial politics not dangerous? In general- Is anybody watching the new Clone Wars cartoon? Wrecks havoc with continuity, and the prequel era is one long slow spiral into the Empire, and of villains repeatedly escaping and killing redshirts, but the episodic cartoon approach does allow for some very nice moments, like Yoda kicking droid butt! And on the new novels, I'm hoping Luke can pick up more new Force abilities, so that Jaccn won't be the only Jedi to get Aing-Tii stuff, and if he's busy with that, I still prefer Luke not being physically present to solve the crisis of the year rather than be "tainted" and just encourage Jaina to solve the problem with a lightsaber. And Ben and Luke bonding should be good, in theory, though it would've been much nicer a few years earlier, but that's an old complaint already. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 10/9 2:50pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody, JB- I've read the first book of Star Trek Destiny, and... well, I guess I'm just not a fan of the Star Trek books much anymore. * It does depend on what you're looking for... What with the impending "Oh, Columbia-Captain babe, save us from the Borg!" plot and the soap opera family issues (I like that they work with canon, even if only to retcon it, like saying Troi giving birth to Ian did screw up her system, contrary to the episode itself) and the general overuse of the Borg threat. * I've blocked this for RK's benefit. I don't see the Hernandez / Columbia plotline to necessarily be one of salvation, it may be the Caeliar help them understand how the Borg are accessing the Alpha Quadrant but that doesn't mean the problem's solved. The best the Federation can hope for is to cut off the Borg access, they can't defeat them. But there's that dark galaxy the Caeliar contacted, which I suspect Titan is heading towards. Plus I suspect the Caeliar may have created the Borg by displacing civilisations to the Delta Quadrant. The Borg was TNG's most formidable enemy (which was another reason why First Contact was so awesome), but... well, my favorite recent Star Trek book was Q&A, mainly for the lack of Borg. * Here I do agree the Borg have been over-used in the Next Gen relaunch, but I find their use in Destiny much better than in Resistance / Before Dishonour. Recall Scorpion? That episode of Voyager did wonders for the series, not least due to two stand-out sequences: The 2 cubes being destroyed at the start and the Borg fleet. Once that ep is seen the perception of the Borg changes totally and the question arises: How would the Federation handle a true Borg invasion? Destiny is the answer to that some 10 years later. It was a well-written book though (far better than Before Dishonor), and I especially look forward to the Klingon actually taking on the Borg, though I jsut hope it doesn't end badly and cause Martok to lose power or something like that). * Agreed on Martok, but I can well see the Klingons kicking arse. I did love that scene with the High Council too. And Transformers Revelation finally concluded today and... well, all I can say is that IDW must be idiots to drag things out with AHM when this should've at least gotten 6 issues intead of being crammed into four Spotlights (which meant they had to spend at least some time on the actual Spotlight character instead of resolving plot better). * Ah, I was afraid of that, I'll be getting a copy Saturday but I'm inclining to the view IDW need a message sent by me dropping their titles and buying in TPB form only. Oh, and double Green Lantern stuff today, not much happened yet, but mainly sets the stage for what should be a very exciting month for Green Lantern next month. Hope to hear your thoughts when you get the comics. * I've been looking forwrd to the GL double this week too, again more once I've read ' em. JB -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 10/9 8:08pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	I can't remember where I read it, it just made it seem ilke Hernadez was going to be a central character, something about her possibly picking up a few new superpowers from her alien hosts and she has to learn how to use those powers to save the Federation, or something like that. Maybe it was in a Star Trek magazine. Its just that after so many recent Borg invasions, I guess the Enterprise crew doesn't really have any more tricks up it sleeve (they've tried sending "pretend" Locutus in, they tried Borg insecticide, their more recent multi-vector attack plan was ruined by a particular moronic Starfleet officer, etc.). And while it is nice to finally see the Borg send an all-out invasion... its always been a foregone conclusion that in a conventional battle, the Federation is doomed if the Borg invaded in force. Sovereign-class ships like the Enterprise just can't do much anymore (they always seem to be outclassed, actually, by the Scimitar, the Son'a, and whoever else happens to be the villain of the week). Yeah, I hope to see Klingons (to be more specific, the IKS Gorkon too of course) taking on the Borg, I just hope it wont' end up like Fondor, to use a Star Wars analogy. And while I skimmed the book, I thought the Titan had found the new home of the Caeliar at the end, not that dark galaxy that the Caeliar had contacted (which was far, far more distant)? And the Caeliar were relatively nice and very pacifistic (to an extent), just too bad the MACOs took advantage of it. I wonder if their attempted inssurection messed up that Caeliar's attempt, or else if the Caeliar just found something very, very dangerous. I'm leaning towards it being the latter, since even for a race as advanced as the Caeliar, there's always someone higher up on the food chain, although the Caeliar did seem very advanced for a corporeal race. Wonder if the Manraloths from that Buried Age book ever had any contact with them, and just how catastrophic that time-space experiment of theirs ended up being (since the summaries for the next book sound like something went very, very wrong). Yeah, Scorpion was a exciting episode, since for once, we saw the Borg weren't invincible. Though I always thought the reason the Borg never attacked the Federation in force was that it was still somewhat busy subjugating the Delta Quadrant? There did seem to be many advanced species in the Delta Quadrant (Voyager encountered quite a few), who could probably put up a fight against even the Borg. And just maybe, in the grand scheme of things, on a galactic scale, the Federation simply wasn't that important, not more important enough other than to send a cube every few years. I still love how during the original Best of Both Worlds episodes, at one point Guinan and Picard were discussing what if this was the end of human civilization and Guinan reminded Picard of how... humans were just one species among many. Of course, that was before the time travel and possible paradox time loop. Though Scorpion also ended introducing Seven of Nine and that was the worst thing to ever happen to Star Trek, in my opinion. I'm kind of sad that most of the relaunch books haven't used Species 8472 again either, I lIked them in that follow-up infiltration episode (not counting the alternate universe anthology). And the conclusion to Transformers Revelations wasn't that bad actually. It was actually very good, considering the circumstances. I just mean that so far, from what I've heard, they've wasted three issues of AHM with "Decepticons SMASH!" and they couldn't even spare a spot in their schedule to give Revelations a proper six-issue series, instead of them concluding something that's been in the works since Escalation and various Spotlights with a proper -tion series, they instead squeezed in all the answers into Spotlights, which mean at least a quarter of the issue was spent on the Spotlighted character instead of writing a grand epic finale. Oh well, at least they actually finished a plotline, unlike the last comic company to try their hand at Transformers. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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MasterSkywalker86 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/10 2:34pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	too many new kids now on the lit boards...which is good but I feel more at home here. so anyone have some suggestions on what to follow for Luke stories now adays ? anything post ROTJ with a jedi master Luke after the Bantam years would be golden right about now....in fact i might be as desperate to read Invincible of course after I finish my copy of VOTF. but it would be nice if there were comics focusing on Luke and co post NJO or prior. Nobody Occasionally, the boards won't let me make long posts. Every time I try, the post I type usually just ends in a error page or something. Still not sure if its my firewall or the boards, but its very annoying, and I have no idea when it'll resolve itself. I had that problem too but like others have said it's due to the time limit, but if you just hit the post reply button again, it should work. And considering how long our posts usually are in this thread, its very annoying. And not too enthused about the new novel contract, though glad they're at least answering what happened to Zekk pretty quickly after Invincible's non-ending. wut do you mean ? exactly how's MF suppose to end things ? By the way, anyone else watching the new Clone Wars TV series? At least if you're in the US (sorry JB). Its surprisingly very good for what it is. nah it seem rather kid orientated and it still doesn't feature what I want in a series. I mean would it be so hard to ask have a Luke in a tv series ? RK Aahhhh these colors, odd choice for the fall. but i guess it goes with the theme. How's all ? School just started and I had a rather amusing week. it seems my posting style falls under the categorey of "posts for a while, vanishes, and reappears". LOL, that's mine too. I rather enjoy the the pink girl in the bikini....gotta thank Marvel for zeltrons. Same here. I was sick of the Clone Wars halfway between AOTC and ROTS! I'm just sick of getting wontan multimedia projects set in that time period while the classic/post ROTJ era is kicked to the curb. ...sigh.. JB * You mean LOTF? Read Betrayal and bailed, suspected the plot would be as transparent as it appears to have been. yup, just as how DNT foreshadowed another skywalker falling to the DS, it seems rather redundant after the prequels arrived. still what do you read for jedi master Luke kicks ? * I tend to see the damage flowing from the truncated EE: Cut from 6 issues to 2! I think DE 2 was rather a waste, look at what Luke demonstrated by the end of DE 1, yet he doesn't do anything as astounding as his first appearance, not to mention the story doesn't much but tellyou Palp is alive and there's another superweapon around..GASPS!!! yet we do get the first appearance of force pushes in DE I was hoping for more of Luke's telekinetic abilities as the trilogy further along....all i got was terrible art. * You know Iron Man for me retained its crown by the slimmest of margins, yes? really ? I thought you were one of the masses who loved TDK. how did Iron Man beat TDK for you ? for me it was because I had such a good time with the movie that it kept my mind off other things, that and Downey's performance as Stark was just great to see. * In a way that could apply, I'd say we could be looking at a definitive run here which is near to what Watchmen did. yeah, I only hope the new Iron Man series accomplishes what Brubaker did to the Cap series. I'm a little confused though by previous reply on the Invicible Iron Man series, what do you think of the first 6 issues ? how's Tony portrayed ? is the series similiar to the feel of the Order or Brubaker's Cap series ? does it capture the feel of the movie ? i'm thinking to forsake Spiderman and start becoming a Shellhead fan. * I'm certain he has something planned in that respect we'll never see coming. what do you think of Batroc ? aside from the villians in the 7 volumes I'm not familiar with the other lesser thugs from his rogue gallery same goes for Iron Man. * It's the size of the comics in physical terms that finally did it, I'm good at skipping and ignoring ads but when the TPB of 5 issues is half the size of the issues in relative terms and space is limited, you can see the appeal. I could only imagine, and like I always say I like to have the full story in one package. * You should start reading KOTOR too, in some areas and ways it's even better than Legacy. you know I might take you up on that, I'm happy to hear they've included a lot of the KOTOR game characters and added a bit more background on them. I had no idea Malak was originally named Alek Squint. * I have started viewing DR's far post-ROTJ work as being split into NJO and DN-LOTF rather than NJO-DN-LOTF as I find it hard to link the two sets. true, but to be honest in the end it's all crap * The strange thing is that Bantam didn't have that many superweapons, there was about 4 and that was it: Sun Crusher, Eye of Palpatine, Darksaber, Centrepoint. I think 3 is already overkill unless it was over in realtime about 3-5 years apart, what we could of use were some tacticians like Thrawn or ideas like VOTF, or some more active dark jedi. it's such a shame not to have Luke battling some more dark jedi, also I would have enjoy more tales from Hoth, Korriban, Byss, Naboo(to see if Luke and Leia would meet the other side of the family)Tatoonie, Kassysk, Dantoonie, the list continues. * I like Nat, I like that he doesn't hold back from laying into Cade when Cade starts talking crap. what's his reasoning for leaving the jedi ? * The other stunning effect is the compression, it's amazing how much space the issues were taking up. Have also hit DC with a similarly stunning reduction. Future months will see Marvel, IDW and Vertigo plus independents being upgraded. I could only imagine... * They are quite small boxes, nowhere near the size of long boxes or anything but works well. The long-term plan is to sling a load of bookcases into the spare bedroom and transfer the trades into them plus the SF /fantasy books. I will probably need 3 full-size Billy bookcases 80cm from Ikea! it's like you have a database of comics. EDIT: Upcoming books? I like the sound of the KOTOR one that'll be featuring Nomi, anything by Reaves gets bought, the one that features Great Hyperspace War intrigues and there's the Bane book that should tie that series up nicely but that's about it for me. that would be cool, as that era has much potential, as well as Legacy, heck I think the LOTF era could be saved if somehow someone comes up with a good idea. ChildofWinds Sheesh! I see I'm really way behind here! It's pretty late, so I'll probably only be able to respond to a post or two tonight. tsk, tsk, been caught by the winds have you now ? I know... The Clone Wars are being WAY overdone, and I'm simply NOT interested in that timeframe. I don't think the majority of sw fans are. i mean why don't they have release some multimedia project in the future period, but I'm starting to be convinced that the future of Star Wars is best off with the comics. * There's no need for DR to do a 9-book series all in HC, but if people show an inclination to buy this stuff, why not? sigh .. what happen to quality ? I dunno why there's a tendency for some long winded stories. And I also want to know why Del Rey always feels that they have to do a huge multi-book series in the post RotJ timeframe? What's wrong with all single books, duologies, or trilogies as Bantam did? And the fact that they're making them all hardcovers is ridiculous. They certainly are greedy for money, aren't they? Do you realize how EXPENSIVE this FotJ series is going to be for people who BUY the books? Yikes! it all about the green, sigh it would be great if they listen to older fans for some complaints. I am curious at seeing Luke and son going on a journey though. Well, that will keep you busy and out of trouble! Good Luck! true, but I like trouble...sometimes. The thing is, Luke sort of made the decision to use the Force less already in SotP before he had that amazing vision of many different things. true, but Mara doesn't know that. plus it's more of a full flesh opinion, and honestly I don't think Luke's students would have any audacity at all to tell Luke what works and what doesn't in the jedi academy. Oh, yes! A LUKE series would be wonderful! yes I could use that most defintly. Yes, you already know how things are basically going to turn out in the galaxy. but it wasn't a bad story, plus it was a ok game. there's a reason I call myself MASTERskywalker86. LOL! we meet at last Child, at first I was learner now I am the MASTER. Joser seems to be using those Fallanassi tricks too! it happens to us college kids. -----signature----- " The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."-Darth Vader "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."- George Lucas
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 10/10 3:33pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody, I can't remember where I read it, it just made it seem ilke Hernadez was going to be a central character, something about her possibly picking up a few new superpowers from her alien hosts and she has to learn how to use those powers to save the Federation, or something like that. Maybe it was in a Star Trek magazine. * Well, personally I hope it doesn't happen. Its just that after so many recent Borg invasions, I guess the Enterprise crew doesn't really have any more tricks up it sleeve (they've tried sending "pretend" Locutus in, they tried Borg insecticide, their more recent multi-vector attack plan was ruined by a particular moronic Starfleet officer, etc.). And while it is nice to finally see the Borg send an all-out invasion... its always been a foregone conclusion that in a conventional battle, the Federation is doomed if the Borg invaded in force. * True but I do like the execution and that the Enterprise has been fitted with transphasic torpedoes! Sovereign-class ships like the Enterprise just can't do much anymore (they always seem to be outclassed, actually, by the Scimitar, the Son'a, and whoever else happens to be the villain of the week). Yeah, I hope to see Klingons (to be more specific, the IKS Gorkon too of course) taking on the Borg, I just hope it wont' end up like Fondor, to use a Star Wars analogy. * Wasn't there a battle of Fondor in NJO or are you referring to LOTF one? As to Gorkon, I don't think you could keep Klag away! And while I skimmed the book, I thought the Titan had found the new home of the Caeliar at the end, not that dark galaxy that the Caeliar had contacted (which was far, far more distant)? * I may have mixed up the plot points, switching the two around. It may be what was distant 200 years before isn't so far away though. And the Caeliar were relatively nice and very pacifistic (to an extent), just too bad the MACOs took advantage of it. I wonder if their attempted inssurection messed up that Caeliar's attempt, or else if the Caeliar just found something very, very dangerous. * I'd agree they opened a Pandora's box. And the conclusion to Transformers Revelations wasn't that bad actually. It was actually very good, considering the circumstances. I just mean that so far, from what I've heard, they've wasted three issues of AHM with "Decepticons SMASH!" and they couldn't even spare a spot in their schedule to give Revelations a proper six-issue series, * You are aware there were 2 further series in the works - Revelation & Expansion? W've effectively got 9 of those 12 issues with the 4 spotlights and the Maximum Dinobots 5-parter. instead of them concluding something that's been in the works since Escalation and various Spotlights with a proper -tion series, they instead squeezed in all the answers into Spotlights, which mean at least a quarter of the issue was spent on the Spotlighted character instead of writing a grand epic finale. Oh well, at least they actually finished a plotline, unlike the last comic company to try their hand at Transformers. * Also, what I liked was that the Spotlights were used to set up these little plots that then turned up ina main series, it just wove together neatly. I know the plots are being resolved, but doing it seperately feels like dumbing down. MS86, yup, just as how DNT foreshadowed another skywalker falling to the DS, it seems rather redundant after the prequels arrived. still what do you read for jedi master Luke kicks ? * Sad to say, I've abandoned the post-ROTJ era but I am enjoying Rebellion, too bad it's presently on hiatus. I think DE 2 was rather a waste, look at what Luke demonstrated by the end of DE 1, yet he doesn't do anything as astounding as his first appearance, not to mention the story doesn't much but tellyou Palp is alive and there's another superweapon around..GASPS!!! yet we do get the first appearance of force pushes in DE I was hoping for more of Luke's telekinetic abilities as the trilogy further along....all i got was terrible art. * Ah, ah - I happen to love the art of DE! DE2 gave us Ossus, Master Ood - who was featured in TOTJ and worked well enough. really ? I thought you were one of the masses who loved TDK. how did Iron Man beat TDK for you ? for me it was because I had such a good time with the movie that it kept my mind off other things, that and Downey's performance as Stark was just great to see. * Eh? However did you get that? For me it was that sense of fun that just kept Iron Man ahead, TDK was ahead in technical terms but was a much colder story. yeah, I only hope the new Iron Man series accomplishes what Brubaker did to the Cap series. I'm a little confused though by previous reply on the Invicible Iron Man series, what do you think of the first 6 issues ? how's Tony portrayed ? is the series similiar to the feel of the Order or Brubaker's Cap series ? does it capture the feel of the movie ? i'm thinking to forsake Spiderman and start becoming a Shellhead fan. * Fraction nails Stark very well, he makes him likeable! This is a major achievement given how Marvel have developed Stark into a controlling arse over the last few years. I'd say it is quite similar to Brubaker - but you should get the Kanufs run too. I haven't yet got #6. I do really like Fraction's work and the upcoming year-long story that starts in #8 will probably be good but, given my unease over Marvel's likely future direction, I'll pursue it in TPB form. what do you think of Batroc ? aside from the villians in the 7 volumes I'm not familiar with the other lesser thugs from his rogue gallery same goes for Iron Man. * Like you, I've never really read much of the character. you know I might take you up on that, I'm happy to hear they've included a lot of the KOTOR game characters and added a bit more background on them. I had no idea Malak was originally named Alek Squint. * I wouldn't necessarily draw any premature conclusions! Not playing the games, I get to enjoy a great story on its own. I think 3 is already overkill unless it was over in realtime about 3-5 years apart, * Sun Crusher was +7 ROTJ, Eye of Palpatine +8, Darksaber +9, Centrepoint turns up +14. But anone came out of nowhere - Sun Crusher was the Death Star sequel and had been worked on for 10 years, The Eye was an old Jedi-killing weapon that had been sabotaged decades earlier and Darksaber was a super-slimmed down superlaser built on the cheap. Centrepoint was ancient tech. what's his reasoning for leaving the jedi ? * He concluded he wasn't cut out for it, that Kol was more suited to it. it's like you have a database of comics. * That's not far from the truth really! that would be cool, as that era has much potential, as well as Legacy, heck I think the LOTF era could be saved if somehow someone comes up with a good idea. * I don't know, Caedus is an awfully big stumbling block! * Changing tack - got Lego Batman on the Wii and it's great! Also have watched previews of Fallout 3 which looks to be amazing, even better than Oblivion. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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Nobody145 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 10/10 11:54pm Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	MS86- I hope its not a spoiler by now, but by referencing Zekk, I meant that there's supposed to be a post-LotF Zekk novel coming out too, called Blood Oath. So the mere fact that they're actually having a Zekk novel means that we find out what happened to him at the end of LotF, since otherwise, all we know is that he ends up drifting... somewhere after everything is over. And unfortunately, having Luke in a TV series sounds like a very hard thing to do, since apparently all Lucasfilm is interested in is Clone Wars stuff and even more Clone Wars stuff since there's still that live-action tv series too, I think. I'm sick of the era honestly, but meh, I'll watch a Star Wars kids cartoons rather than reread the recent novels. I also think its been mentioned somewhere that Lucas considers RotJ the end of the story (media-wise), so he probably won't make anything else set after that, when Luke has finally become a Jedi Knight, so its all prequel stuff mainly. Which leads to so many ridiculous retcons.... Though a lof of the EU reflects that trend too unfortunately. For instance, the only comic series we had Luke appearing in on a regular basis in recent memory was Empire/Rebellion, and at that point, Luke knows how to use a lightsaber to deflect blaster shots and... that's it. We haven't ever had a post-RotJ comic series with Luke ever (I think), and the first year or so after Yavin is ridiculously packed full of events and adventures (all the old Marvel stuff, as well as the newer stuff they're still cramming in there). JB- Yeah, I'm hoping that Star Trek Destiny won't happen like that. But guess we'll see. It was nice to see the Enterprise with transphasic torpedoes, though sad that Starfleet doesn't bother giving the rest of the fleet those things, but I thought the Starfleet admiralty had a point for once in that the Borg will eventually adapt to the torpedoes too, so best to be careful with them, and if the Borg intercepted the design specs, that would be even worse. And my reference to Fondor was referring to the NJO battle, the one that was set up almost perfectly to be a desperately needed New Republic victory, but due to Jacen's whining, it turned into a disaster and loss for just about all the good guys (another reason I'm glad he's dead). I'm just hoping that Martok won't lead a fleet into disaster and just end up making the greedy/conservative Klingons even more powerful. And how could any Starfleet ship ever encounter the dark galaxy the Caeliars contacted?! They were calling a galaxy at least... several billion light-years away, I think, near the literal edge of the universe. Finding the Caeliar in another arm of the Milky Way galaxy isn't too farfetched, considering the Titan is pretty far from regular space, so far away that they'd never get back to Federation space in time in to help out, but another galaxy is still way too farfetched. And oh yeah, forgot about the cancelled Expansion serions. Would've continued the -ion naming series at least, I just thought the Dead Universe plotline deserved a -ion series to itself, or at least be the main focus of an -ion series, instead of being set in four Spotlights. While the Dead Universe was only a minor thing in Devestation, it was a somewhat big part of Devestation, and with how Optimus actually left the earth to deal with it, it seemed like a nice way to lead into the next -ion series. Heck, Stormbringing also sorta led to some of Revelations' plotlines. Sure, we get Dinobots, but that sounds like it'll mainly be Machination, maybe marginally Decepticon related. And even the Decepticon threat will probably be part of the AHM plotline (in flashbacks), so I still wonder how much the Dead Universe storyline was shortchanged for other storylines. Oh well, hopefully the Dinobots plotline will turn out better. -----signature----- Don't mind me, I'm nobody important.
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Jedi Ben Registered: Jul '99	Date Posted: 10/11 10:46am Subject: RE: SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 3.0
	Nobody, Yeah, I'm hoping that Star Trek Destiny won't happen like that. But guess we'll see. It was nice to see the Enterprise with transphasic torpedoes, though sad that Starfleet doesn't bother giving the rest of the fleet those things, but I thought the Starfleet admiralty had a point for once in that the Borg will eventually adapt to the torpedoes too, so best to be careful with them, and if the Borg intercepted the design specs, that would be even worse. * Yeah, Nechayev's response to Picard about having to see the war was a good one too. And my reference to Fondor was referring to the NJO battle, the one that was set up almost perfectly to be a desperately needed New Republic victory, but due to Jacen's whining, it turned into a disaster and loss for just about all the good guys (another reason I'm glad he's dead). * I truly hated that book for that, as for Jacen - he did do the right thing in BP in removing himself from the war, it only took 250,000 dead for him to learn it! I'm just hoping that Martok won't lead a fleet into disaster and just end up making the greedy/conservative Klingons even more powerful. * I don't see Martok as fighting a losing battle, even if the Borg win a battle, I'd place odds on Martok being able to spin it as a glorious defeat which the Borg will rue! And how could any Starfleet ship ever encounter the dark galaxy the Caeliars contacted?! They were calling a galaxy at least... several billion light-years away, I think, near the literal edge of the universe. * True, it's quite a span but we do have the Borg travelling incrdible distances very quickly in this book so....I don't know, I just wonder why have it happen without some form of follow-up? Finding the Caeliar in another arm of the Milky Way galaxy isn't too farfetched, considering the Titan is pretty far from regular space, so far away that they'd never get back to Federation space in time in to help out, but another galaxy is still way too farfetched. * I tend to agree, but do wonder too about the mystery element. * Gotta go, comics requiring attention. -----signature----- "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail - should we fall - we will know that we have lived." Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
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