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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/31/05 8:56pm Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Show me the way to go home - Alcohol
	Upping this. Should we have a new topic or are we still on this one? -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/31/05 8:58pm Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Show me the way to go home - Alcohol
	How about till Friday... -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 5/31/05 9:00pm Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Show me the way to go home - Alcohol
	Sounds good. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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spiritgurl Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/4/05 9:48am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Show me the way to go home - Alcohol
	any new topics coming for this Breezy? sg -----signature----- My fics: http://zalibethe.com/kenobi/storylisting.htm (update 6/29) Master of Solo-Evenstar ~ August Epic of the Month - Spirit Warriors of Angharad by Ophelia http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/15836193/p1
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/6/05 6:27am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA - Date Edited: 7/6/05 7:23am (2 edits total) Edited By: DarthBreezy
	spiritgurl posted: any new topics coming for this Breezy? sg YES! Jadesolo thought up this title ( "Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA") on another site and as it's such a grand one, I couldn't just leave it there! So! As it is massive early and I have very little brain power, I'll let you guys get started! EDIT: In Case people don't read the first post: As was brought up in the 'gay fanfic' thread, there are a lot of authors who like to deal with things that run a bit deeper than what we are initially shown by GL and co. This thread is a place to discuss these more mature ISSUES. 1) This is NOT a place to disscuss the forum standards, including but not limited to: Limits of DEPICTION of such things as sexual content, violance levels or homosexuality at TF.N We all know what they are (if not, please reaquaint yourself with the FAQ.) 2) "It doesn't belong here at TF.N (or anywhere else)." The stories themselves might not be alowed here, but Mature disscussion of said same topics is fine. If you don't like/read it fine, but please respect those that do. Prolatising and flaming will get you banned here just as easily as any other thread. 3) No LINKING of off site material that exceeds the limits such as places that have Same sex fan fic, NC-17 or other content. This would be a violation of TF.N's TOS and is prohibited. People can PM you for relevant links. 4) If you are posting in this thread, I assume you are mature enough to post reasonable and well though out things as apposed to "I like stories that show everything giggle" (You get the idea.) If you dislike this topic of discussion, please hit the 'back' button now. Addendum July 6th, 2005: As we are talking about faith, it IS permissible to bring in thoughts on how your own faith colours your views, BUT this is NOT the place to "witness" "Sermonise" or try to convert other people in any way shape or form! RESPECT for other people's beliefs is the key and if you're caught, I'll have you edited faster than you can say Cthulhu for President. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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AnakinsHeir Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/6/05 6:34am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Since the GFFA is fraught with religious symbolism, this should be a good topic. -----signature----- Let Me Go http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/18359174/?2 Master to JediCallista_1_6_e54 A Mother's Wishes http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20272243/?0
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raisedbywolves Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 7/6/05 7:02am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Hey all, I'm awfully new here but here are some random thoughts anyway. 1. I'm really impressed by the tone of the discussion here. It gives a whole new meaning to the word "mature" - oh no, wait, this IS what mature used to mean before it became a nice word for obscene! Some of the stories that have been shared were heart-wrenching. Very brave 2. If you ask me, characters can surely be as pure as new snow. Even if they are played by Attractive Men With Accents... If all Jedi were constantly having affairs, at some point Yoda and the gang would've given up their prudish rules and started handing out the free contraceptives. In my own little GFFA, they take their vows awfully seriously. 3. Let's face it: All adolescents have a sexual awakening at one point or another. And for all bookwormish adolescents, that's just gonna have to involve finding a steamy scene in some book or story when they weren't looking for it. Put your love scenes up here, and you are automatically taking the risk that you're introducing a kid to this aspect of adult life. Period. 4. If you have qualms about that, here's one thing to consider... if the scene is loving, tender and consensual, you may be doing someone a favor with it. My first experience with sex scenes in books was while reading Clan of the Cave Bear, and YUCK . Lots of disturbing rape in that one people, not good for 13-year-old psyche!! I think it took me a month to stop looking at the opposite sex as a threat. The process of realizing that boys can be your friends involved reading some love scenes that were respectful to the woman involved and very positive. 5. Oh, so that's why there are no gay characters. I was really starting to wonder. I know this isn't the place to discuss the rules, but that's very, very sad. For one thing, that could be steering gay kids to some stories they really don't want to be reading. Sigh. Anyway, moving on to the actual topic!! It's real good. All that thinking points at rest of post really wore my brain out though, so I'll watch and jump in later. -----signature----- What She Saw: http://boards.theforce.net/Before_the_Saga/b10475/21886008/?0 Proud (if erstwhile) padawan to Master Darth Pixel. It's not Darth Real Life, actually - I prefer to think of it as my very demanding Jedi Master.
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/6/05 7:21am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	raisedbywolves posted: Hey all, I'm awfully new here but here are some random thoughts anyway. Welcome! RBW posted: 1. I'm really impressed by the tone of the discussion here. It gives a whole new meaning to the word "mature" - oh no, wait, this IS what mature used to mean before it became a nice word for obscene! Some of the stories that have been shared were heart-wrenching. Very brave Oh yes! Very much so! RBW posted: 2. If you ask me, characters can surely be as pure as new snow. Even if they are played by Attractive Men With Accents... If all Jedi were constantly having affairs, at some point Yoda and the gang would've given up their prudish rules and started handing out the free contraceptives. In my own little GFFA, they take their vows awfully seriously. BUT, there can be passion! Take the Jedi for example, they are living breathing beings, not atomatons... Heck, even R2 has feelings... RBW posted: 3. Let's face it: All adolescents have a sexual awakening at one point or another. And for all bookwormish adolescents, that's just gonna have to involve finding a steamy scene in some book or story when they weren't looking for it. Put your love scenes up here, and you are automatically taking the risk that you're introducing a kid to this aspect of adult life. Period. That's what PM chapters are for... by request and often as not, very well written. The best one's I've seen focus on the feelings of the participants and while giving a rough "blow by blow", they still aren't biology lessons. RBW posted: 4. If you have qualms about that, here's one thing to consider... if the scene is loving, tender and consensual, you may be doing someone a favor with it. My first experience with sex scenes in books was while reading Clan of the Cave Bear, and YUCK . Lots of disturbing rape in that one people, not good for 13-year-old psyche!! I think it took me a month to stop looking at the opposite sex as a threat. The process of realizing that boys can be your friends involved reading some love scenes that were respectful to the woman involved and very positive. GAHHHHHHHHH Yes I read COTCB... (though Valley of Horses was far worse). Again there are quuite a few authors who write wonderful "Jedi Nookie", you just have to know who to aske and where to look... RBW posted: 5. Oh, so that's why there are no gay characters. I was really starting to wonder. I know this isn't the place to discuss the rules, but that's very, very sad. For one thing, that could be steering gay kids to some stories they really don't want to be reading. Sigh. Actually, that's a bit of a misnomer... Gay Characters ARE allowed, as long as they adheare to the FAQ allusions and innuendo are permissible, so long as they remain ambiguous and are in reference to original characters. Basicly, Gay OC's, handeled with care are OK... I HATE self promotion, but you can find an example in my fic Knights and Eros Bound. Schurke, Kam and Gris are all of the 'other persuasion', but as it's not the focal part of the story (though very much central to the characters) and follows the outlines, it goes to show it can be done. RBW posted: Anyway, moving on to the actual topic!! It's real good. All that thinking points at rest of post really wore my brain out though, so I'll watch and jump in later. Oh I hope so!! Trust me, your brain will get a work out. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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GunraysLawyer Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/6/05 7:35am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Oh good, an unexpected topic..... I've spent a good deal of time writing in an AU (the "Ivoverse") with a culture that has a radically different view of the Force than the Jedi. In fact, at best they view the Jedi as misguided; at worst as dangerous nihilistic fanatics. Their view of the Force is theological in nature. In short, it is their view that the various powers displayed by Force users are the individual tapping into the residual powers of the act of the universe's creation and lent to the user by the Gods, of which there are about a dozen major and several hundred minor/demi-gods. The culture uses the phrase 'God-touched' to refer to people who are Force users, and calls the Force, 'The Harmonies' or more formally, 'The Harmonies of Universe.' The point of one of their most profound disagreements with the Jedi is their view that there is no light side/dark side distinction. Instead, the harmonies just are, and the moral status of the user determines the morality of their use. In other words, the Force/Harmonies are morally neutral, it's how one uses them. Of course, this leads to a fairly detailed code of Morality and ethics. After all, in this view, force-choking someone in battle is fair game, but doing it because someone failed to move quickly enough, is not. So, why do this? Well, because the vaguely Eastern Philosophy of the Jedi (leaving aside it's absolutist Manichean elements, for the moment), simply sat wrong with me. In fact, it seemed to be the easily preventable reason for many things going wrong in the GFFA. So, I explored a little using a more Western Background of Norse and Celtic Myth and vaguely Counter-Reformation Roman Catholicism. Feel free to comment.... -----signature----- “Fairy tales don't teach children that monsters exist. Children already know that monsters exist. Fairy tales teach children that monsters can be killed.” G.K. Chesterton To absent friends.... "...But Drummer Hoff fired it off."
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Shaindl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/6/05 7:50am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	I'll comment. That's fascinating, Gunray. What a great alternative take on the Jedi and the Force. So, if I'm reading correctly, in your universe a person's use of the Force is determined in essence by whether they are 'good' or 'bad'. (Whatever those might mean for the individual - ooh, let's bring in some cultural relativity just for the hell of it! ) The Force is a tool. The means, rather than the end. Very, very cool. -----signature----- Halfway Moment - Qui, Obi, Anakin AU - http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/20110461/?0 - UPDATED JULY 3!
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/6/05 7:55am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	That's definitely an interesting take on the Force. It kinda makes sense in the grand scheme of things, in fact. For Alderaan, I created a heritage that was pretty much a mix of the religious ideals of the Puritans and the history of the Jews, but it has pretty much fizzled in the face of modern influence. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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GunraysLawyer Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 7/6/05 8:19am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Since people seem interested, I give you an excerpt from "Soul of Love and Bravery," my just completed novel on the Saga Board. It is a discussion between one, Gersalis Ardedes, an Exarch(think Roman Catholic Cardinal) of the Kalinadian Church and his equivalent amongst the Jedi, Master Yoda. ------------------------------ “But Master Jedi, surely you can see how your viewpoint might be labeled as extremist?” Gersalis Exarch Ardedes asked of the short, green Jedi in an increasingly exasperated tone. The green Jedi harrumphed and said, “Extremism, the way of the light side of the Force, is not.” “It is Master Jedi, it is. First, you confuse the moral impulses of the God-touched with the nature of the Harmonies themselves. The Harmonies set in motion at the creation of the Universe, harnessed and shared by the Gods, are morally neutral. There is no inherent darkness or light to them. The Harmonies simply exist. Then, you compound your initial mistake by fostering a way of life devoid of attachments, passions, of involvement, of meaning, of anything that keeps one grounded in the prosaic and real.” “Such attachments to the dark side lead. They lead by way of the fear of loss and the shadow of greed.” Gersalis paused. He took a deep breath, and wondered vaguely how this conversation had become what was generally regarded as the quintessential Jedi-Kalinadian argument about the nature of things. It had started out as a discussion of their mutual unease around the Chancellor. Another thought struck him, Why does every Jedi that I meet on Coruscant seem so afraid… As the silence stretched, Gersalis decided that courtesy and discretion were the better part of valor. So, he simply said, “Well, as I am certain that I will never convince you Master Jedi, I can only wish that the hands of the Gods may guide your steps.” The small Jedi Master responded, “May the Force be with you, Exarch.” -----signature----- “Fairy tales don't teach children that monsters exist. Children already know that monsters exist. Fairy tales teach children that monsters can be killed.” G.K. Chesterton To absent friends.... "...But Drummer Hoff fired it off."
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JadeSolo Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/6/05 9:34am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Oh, Breezy. Now I'm never going to leave this thread. Why does every Jedi that I meet on Coruscant seem so afraid… Thank you for using that line, Gunray! I started thinking that the reason the Jedi spoke about the dark side the way they did, tiptoed cautiously around the subject of the dark side, and made up rules to prevent people from touching the dark side, was more out of fear than anything else. There's that old saying that you fear what you don't know, and how many Jedi truly knew the dark side? Mace, maybe Yoda, maybe Obi-Wan, Anakin...but that's four people out of about 10,000 in an Order. In the NJO books, Vergere tells Jacen that there's no light side and there's no dark side. I think. It's been a while since I read them. Anyway, I was reading an interview with Matthew Stover, and he said he views morality as being dependant on society. Laws, concepts of good and evil, all of it depends on society. Which to me makes sense. Perhaps part of the reason for the Jedi's downfall is that they structured their laws and ideas of morality around their own Jedi culture, but as the galaxy changed, they were too afraid to adapt. And adapting isn't a bad thing necessarily. solojones made a point in the Obi-Wan thread that while Obi-Wan was out on Tatooine, his basic Jedi principles remained the same - fight evil, be a guardian of peace and justice - but the actual rules that the Jedi were supposed to follow, he wouldn't be passing on to Luke the same ones that he himself grew up with, because Luke is living in a different galaxy. I'll hopefully have more to say once the coffee kicks in. -----signature----- "If you expect a kick in the balls and you get a slap in the face, it's a victory." "May God bless you and keep you always...I mean that in a civic deist way." -Prof. Siegel "No guaranteed money, but all guaranteed fun!"
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/6/05 9:35am Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA
	Very interesting. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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Healer_Leona Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 7/6/05 1:42pm Subject: RE: * WARNING * Mature themes within -- Religious & Philosophical Influences on the GFFA - Date Edited: 7/6/05 1:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Healer_Leona
	I must admit, I come here far too seldom and don't believe I've ever posted. My fears have been totally squashed by the extreme maturity I see in this thread. Thank you for restoring my faith that has been sorely tested as of late. -----signature----- Break away from everybody Break away from everthing If you can't stand the way this place is Take yourself to higher places
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