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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/5/04 9:33pm Subject: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Discussion & Story Index -- Looking for a new challenge/discussion topic! - Date Edited: 12/11/07 12:03pm (23 edits total) Edited By: DantanaSkywalker
	This thread is for anyone who wants to write Kyp Durron but isn't sure how, or anyone who wants to improve their writing of him. If you have questions about Kyp, you can ask them here and we'll see if we can get you the answers. We also encourage discussion on his characterisation, fanfic vs. profic. (And let's keep this nice, folks; no flaming someone else for their view on Kyp.) This thread is also for stories focusing on Kyp (that aren't K/J, there's an index for that). Kyp/other stories are welcome here. A little information . . . Full Name: Kyp Durron Height: 1.78 m (5 feet, 10 in) Weight: not known, probably around 150-160 lbs., though he's of slender/lean build Hair: black, curly, with a few silver hairs (according to New Jedi Order & Jedi Academy Trilogy); dark brown (according to New Essential Guide To Characters) Eyes: green (according to New Jedi Order); dark, unspecified colour (according to Jedi Academy Trilogy); brown (according to NEGTC) Homeworld: Deyer colony, Anoat system Next of kin: mother, name unknown (deceased); father, name unknown (deceased); brother, Zeth Durron (deceased) Jedi Rank: Jedi Master Lightsaber colour: purple (white-violet according to various sources, may possibly have belonged to deceased Jedi student Gantoris); magenta (according to Jedi Academy: Leviathan) Apprentices: Miko Reglia, Jedi Knight (deceased; died in "Vector Prime"); Jaina Solo, Jedi Knight (her status as Kyp's apprentice varies from book to book) Abbreviations needed in this thread: JAT Jedi Academy Trilogy NJO New Jedi Order NEGTC New Essential Guide To Characters YJK Young Jedi Knights TNR Tales From The New Republic Challenges: Challenge #2 Challenge 2 located here ---------- Challenge #1 We know very little about Kyp's life before Kessel. We know he was born on Deyer, that his parents were married, and he had a brother, Zeth, who was 6 years older. A small bit was given about fishing colonies, floating raft cities. Kyp was 8 when his family was taken to Kessel, and his parents died when he was 9. Challenge: Write a vignette or short story (no max or min length) on Kyp at 8 or younger and the Durrons' home life. Post links in this thread. Time Limit: no time limit Entries: Storm Coming by DantanaSkywalker To have your story listed here, PM me or post a link & title in the thread here. Story Index Total: 19 DantanaSkywalker All Paths Drowned Deep In Shadow Brothers Male Bonding Kyp [poem] Catharsis Of Sufferance [WIP] Storm Coming Hero Inara To Walk Alone NenYim Turn Of Stars [WIP] Obi_Wans_love_child Easier To Run Smuggler_Shidakis Prayer A Week From Tomorrow [WIP] thesporkbewithyou My Ride's Here In Which the Solos Plot, Jaina and Kyp Argue, and Kyp gets a Surprise Trickster_Jaina_Fel Always: In the Morning [WIP] Helpless I'll Come For Thee By Moonlight Addicted Out of Bounds Zonoma Worth Saving [WIP] Important Links Schism: The Kyp Durron Fanlisting Dana -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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Suzuki_Akira Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/5/04 9:41pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Well I recently wrote a fic in which a new attack by the Dark Side on children basically cause Kyp to become destroyed by his own guilt. This, coupled with an 'I am your father' type revelation send him close to the Dark Side, and finally completely into it when his anger causes the death of one of the children. Now, I wrote this as causing him to commit suicide...but how do you think the real Kyp would have handled it? -----signature----- God is great, the Lord of all. "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." Those who dare oppose us will stand knee deep in the blood of their children. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158008483
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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/5/04 9:53pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	He'd feel guilt for it, a lot of guilt, but he wouldn't kill himself. He'd go off and do something to make up for the lost life (i.e., if someone other than himself were responsible, he'd probably hunt that person down and either kill them or bring them to justice; then he'd probably spend the next few years looking after children and making sure that none of the ones he came across got hurt). If he were directly responsible, however, he'd ask someone to decide his punishment, most likely Luke, or the parents of the child. Dana -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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Suzuki_Akira Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/5/04 10:31pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Good to know for my next series. Thanks. -----signature----- God is great, the Lord of all. "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." Those who dare oppose us will stand knee deep in the blood of their children. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158008483
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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/7/04 7:03pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Decided to ressurect a "On Writing Kyp Durron" thing I wrote a while back. Q. Do you have any tips that might help for someone who's never really written Kyp? He's a character I tend to shy away from... Any hints or manerisms I should be aware of that might be essential to not bombing him completely? Okay. Well. This could take a while. 1. First of all, Kyp Durron isn't the uber-Jedi fighting machine some people think he is. He's a powerful Jedi, and he's a bit brash, but he's not almighty. [Ed: Just pretty darn close. ] He's human, and that makes him vulnerable 2. Personality: Kyp is a hard one to pin down. Most consistently, I'd say that he's pretty confident. Not necessarily arrogant, but he knows his own mind. Except when it comes to Jaina. Jaina flusters him. He knows who he is, and what he wants. Mostly. He's proud, and strong, but feels remorse for what he did at Carida. At the same time, he learned a lot from it, and openly says that. He is the first to admit he was wrong, but still thinks that action is the best course, rather than sitting and twiddling thumbs. He's impulsive. He is an eloquent speaker, and has a sarcastic sense of humour. It's a very dry wit at times. He's mellowed a bit in recent years, partially from watching someone very close to him skirt the Dark Side. He doesn't like feeling helpless. He's very independent and the take-charge type, but he's not adverse to being a follower, if he he believes someone knows what they're doing, or if he feels he can help in some way. He sees himself as above a lot of the Jedi, but a lot of this attitude is based on fact. He's powerful, talented, and charismatic. He thinks Corran Horn is full of himself. They've never gotten along. If you have Corran in your story, Kyp and Corran will clash. They don't get along. Corran hates his guts and would kill him if he could. Corran has even said this. Kyp admired Anakin Solo. He liked Anakin. He doesn't like Jacen, though he's getting better about that. Now that Jacen has come back from his months with the Vong, he and Kyp get along a lot better. Kyp DOES admire Luke, but wishes Luke would take more initiative. Kyp's impatient, and sitting around just isn't his thing. He DOES NOT hate Jag. Jag annoys him, but he doesn't hate him. He has a grudging admiration for the younger man's piloting skills, though, like a lot of K/Jers, thinks he's too stiff, formal, and lacking in personality. [Ed: He's also jealous 'cause Jag's macking with his girl. ] When he forms friendships, he sticks with them. He's incredibly fond of Han, who is a surrogate father/brother figure for him. He's not as close with Leia, evidently not for lack of trying on his part. Leia is apparently difficult to get close to, and she has a tendency to carry grudges. Kyp likes leadership, and it suits him. He's got the personality for it. He's a natural red-yellow-blue personality, which is why he's so complex. Red personalities tend to be stubborn, charismatic, sometimes manipulative, sometimes arrogant. He takes the initiative, and others look up to him. Yellow, on the other hand, is a bit flighty, less responsible, very friendly, also charismatic, fun-loving, impulsive. Blue is what causes Kyp to stick with things. Blue is the loyalist, responsible personality, with concern and caring. He's gained this in his personality over the years. It's what keeps him by Jaina's side, looking out for her. Jaina is the one thing that confuses Kyp. He admires her for her skills, likes her, and also finds himself attracted to her. He thinks he can't be attracted to her, because she's his friend, and the daughter & niece of some of the greatest people in his life. He knows what to do in every situation except ones where he has to deal with Jaina, or his feelings for Jaina. He loves her, but he's in denial. She's caused him pain by not taking him seriously. Under the arrogant facade, he just wants to do good, and he wants Jaina to see him as a man, and not her "uncle". He has, however, made some progress in this area. [Ed: Yay!] As recently as "The Unifying Force", Jaina has admitted that she has thought about Kyp in a romantic capacity, but decided that she can't be with him because it would be "crazy" to fall for her "mentor". Obviously, this is a head decision, not a heart decision. At this point, Jaina is his best friend. Regardless of his feelings for her, they have a close partnership. They rely on each other. While she may seek Jag Fel for romantic aspects, Kyp is everything else to her. He acts as confidante, protector, and partner in crime. 3. Mannerisms. As for things he actually DOES a lot . . . He gets angry. He smirks. He makes big gestures with his hands. He tends to play with his hair. He frowns a lot when he's thinking, if it's something serious. He turns red when embarrassed, which is usually only when someone mentions Carida, or when Jaina's involved. He gets flustered and stutters if caught off-guard. 4. The best sources for Kyp personality traits are the Jedi Academy Trilogy, Darksaber, the "Leviathan" trade paperback, the short story in the Tales From The New Republic anthology, "Simple Tricks", Young Jedi Knights: Return To Ord Mantell, and from the New Jedi Order series: Vector Prime, Edge of Victory II: Rebirth, Dark Journey, and Rebel Dream. In conclusion. . . Usually, if you've got Kyp in your story, he'll write himself. He just becomes his own person when I'm writing him, and I don't have to do much thinking about what he's going to do, or if this is something he's going to say. He just does it. Most writers I've talked to, after giving them this rundown, find that he takes over. -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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kayladie97 Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 6/7/04 10:48pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Hi, Dana! I have to admit that I lurk in most of your stories. I'm first and foremost a L/M fan, but I've been getting obsessed with K/J lately. I would love to try and write a K/J story, but I'm not sure I could do it justice. Also, the plot bunnies are apparently hiding from me, as I can't really think of a good story idea! I notice you didn't mention Kyp's relationship with Mara. I, for one, think Mara would have forgiven Kyp for stealing her ship a long time ago, but she would probably not come right out and tell him so. I see Kyp and Mara as being a lot alike in many ways...both tough and independent, with a good dose of confidence thrown in there. What's your opinion on this? -----signature----- My new philosophy of life (borrowed from Elvis Presley) "The sun's down and the moon is pretty. It's time to ramble."
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Abby Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 6/7/04 11:18pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation - Date Edited: 6/7/04 11:19pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Abby
	Kayladie97 - you'll never know unless you try! I say, go for it! If you're having trouble, there are pleanty of people to ask. I've never written fan fic before a month or so ago when I started writing A Twist of Fate, and wasn't sure how well I would do with Kyp/Jaina/Jag, but I think it's going pretty well so far. I see you have other stories on the boards, so you're familiar with writing fan fiction, and that's a start. So, I reiterate - go for it! (If you can find a plot bunny) Count me in as a reader when and if you post it ~Abby~ -----signature----- A Twist of Fate ~ http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/15764413/?34 Desires of a Sleepless Mind ~ http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/21003119/?7 Best Intentions ~ http://boards.theforce.net/Beyond_the_Saga/b10477/17067351/?0
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JadeSolo Title: NSF managing NSWFF Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 6/27/04 11:17am Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	I didn't think much of Kyp at first, mostly because I didn't like the KJA books. But then, without that trilogy, there would be no Kyp, and there would be no Jedi Academy for Mike Stackpole to make fun of with I, Jedi. Anyway, I thought Kyp was really arrogant when I first started reading the NJO books, but the more I read, the more I respected and then liked how he thought. It annoyed me to NO END that Luke was just sitting around doing nothing, which I don't think is very Luke-like (of cuorse, I was going by his character in ESB, so there you go). Kyp's determination to fight was, I thought, very true to him. Kyp reminds me of Anakin Skywalker, in fact. Anakin does what he does because he thinks he's doing the right thing and is helping people, and Kyp's kind of the same way, e.g. the Sernpidal incident. They are both powerful, both hold themselves above other Jedi, even their own masters at times, but are also humble enough to recognize their masters' wisdom. And of course, both have a thing for women they're not supposed to be attracted to. And when they don't get their way, they get mad and try to make things work for them. Boy, this is new territory for me. Usually I'm a PT/OT/X-wing kind of reader. But Kyp is fun, too. -----signature----- "If you expect a kick in the balls and you get a slap in the face, it's a victory." "May God bless you and keep you always...I mean that in a civic deist way." -Prof. Siegel "No guaranteed money, but all guaranteed fun!"
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Suzuki_Akira Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/27/04 1:23pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	What I don't understand is how we got the whole Kyp liking Jaina thing. Maybe its Dark Journey-I haven't read the whole book. But it seemed to me like it was only one way attraction(from Jaina to Kyp) and only in the Edge of Victory series. I could be wrong... -----signature----- God is great, the Lord of all. "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." Those who dare oppose us will stand knee deep in the blood of their children. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158008483
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djcati Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/27/04 2:15pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Ah... someone needs to re-read the Enemy Lines duo... It's all very soap opera. XD -----signature----- http://admiraljello.livejournal.com/4778.html ----- "I have an A-wing on my laptop!" Yub yub, Commander!
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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/27/04 7:00pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation - Date Edited: 12/10/04 9:51am (1 edits total) Edited By: DantanaSkywalker
	What I don't understand is how we got the whole Kyp liking Jaina thing. Maybe its Dark Journey-I haven't read the whole book. But it seemed to me like it was only one way attraction(from Jaina to Kyp) and only in the Edge of Victory series. I could be wrong... 1. In "Dark Journey", Kyp is eyeing Jaina in the red dress. His expression "dispelled any fatherly comparisons". 2. In "Rebel Dream", he mentally denies being in love with her, except his actions and his entire argument against being in love with her are in direct constrast with his "I'm not in love with her" statement. Also, Jaina repeatedly makes references to Kyp's "advances" 3. In "Rebel Stand", Jaina brings up his feelings for her at their picnic. 4. In "Ylesia", Jaina tells Jacen that Kyp's been feeling "sentimental" towards her. There are more examples, but I can't recall them off the top of my head at the moment. Primary books for K/J stuff are (these aren't all that's in the books, just what I can recall at the moment): Edge of Victory II: Rebirth - K/J flirting, Jaina having "funny feelings" Dark Journey - ]bit of flirting, bit of 'shippy "You're saving me" exchanges; also Kyp's reaction to The Red Dress Rebel Dream - mentions of Kyp's advances, Kyp's denial that he's in love with her Rebel Stand - picnic scene Destiny's Way - bit of flirting Ylesia - Jaina telling Jacen Kyp's feeling "sentimental"; Kyp gets flustered when Jaina tells him to not be concerned The Unifying Force - Jaina discusses with Jacen possible feelings for Kyp; Jag thinks Jaina's trying to dump him for Kyp There's more, but those are the main ones. I'm sort of writing an essay/thesis on K/J. I'll be posting it on KAJSU when I'm done. Dana -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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JadeSolo Title: NSF managing NSWFF Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 6/27/04 7:12pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Jag thinks Jaina's trying to dump him for Kyp I haven't read TUF yet, but that one bit is pushing me toward the bookstore. -----signature----- "If you expect a kick in the balls and you get a slap in the face, it's a victory." "May God bless you and keep you always...I mean that in a civic deist way." -Prof. Siegel "No guaranteed money, but all guaranteed fun!"
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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/27/04 7:16pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	I haven't read TUF yet, but that one bit is pushing me toward the bookstore. I'm completely not kidding! She tries to break up with him, and he thinks it's because of Kyp. I can only say that I wish! Personally, I think it was one of the best in the NJO. It's one of my favourites, behind "Dark Journey" and "Rebirth", which are tied. Dana -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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Suzuki_Akira Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 6/27/04 7:59pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Wow, not only did you pick up on all of the hints, but you have them mentally oranized. Impressive...I didn't even notice half of those...I'll have to start re reading some of those books. -----signature----- God is great, the Lord of all. "I find your lack of faith disturbing..." Those who dare oppose us will stand knee deep in the blood of their children. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=158008483
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SaberBlade Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 6/28/04 6:37pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	You're writing something for KAJSU? I wanna read it! You better let me know when it's done; I am now offically hooked on that. -Saber -----signature----- My fics are in my bio. And now they're even unlocked! The new fic series: Debates - http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=17715156&start=17719595 I'm amused. I'm constantly amused.
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DantanaSkywalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 6/28/04 6:40pm Subject: RE: Rogue Jedi: Kyp Durron Characterisation
	Yeah, it's been in the notes stage for ages. I need to go through it all again and work on it some more. Dana -----signature----- http://www.kypandjaina.net "I always liked Kyp Durron better, anyway." -- Han Solo ". . . What the hell is an 'Aluminum Falcon'?" "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
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