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Bri_Windstar
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Doesn't it mention in one of the EU books that Owen takes them down either shortly before or after Luke's arrival? I want to say it's mentioned in Tatooine Ghost when Leia is talking to Beru's sister. Dama? I think that's her name.
The TG reference is something that I freely admit I could be pulling out of thin air.  But I think that's right. 
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Jedi-2B
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Bri_Windstar posted:
Doesn't it mention in one of the EU books that Owen takes them down either shortly before or after Luke's arrival? I want to say it's mentioned in Tatooine Ghost when Leia is talking to Beru's sister. Dama? I think that's her name.
The TG reference is something that I freely admit I could be pulling out of thin air. But I think that's right.
Geez, young whippersnappers have good memories.
I scanned back thru TG, and you're right. Here's the passage:
(Leia is talking to Dama about Shmi)
"They buried her, then Anakin left."
"On the moisture farm?" Leia asked. "Is that where she's buried?"
Dama nodded. "Out beyond the western edge of the sand berm. Cliegg's buried there, too. They used to stand there together and watch the twins set."
"I didn't see any headstones."
Dama shook her head. "After Luke arrived, I noticed their headstones were missing. All Beru would say about it is that Owen didn't see a need for anyone to know where Shmi was buried."
So now I'm guessing this was something Denning put in to retcon the absence of gravemarkers in A New Hope.
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Bri_Windstar
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It's a well honed skill.  
Just a small post of interest since I know the EU countdowns going on in Lit and EUC have been mentioned around here a few times, but the Top 100 EU moments posted its count for #19-11 and Luke pretty much owned that part, taking five of those nine spots. Very cool. 
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Jedi-2B
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Just checked out the countdown, and #30 was my favorite. Especially the illustration. 
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Jedi-2B
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Jade_Pilot posted:
HAPPY VALENTINE'S DAY
Great picture!
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kataja
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Hello everybody! May I join you? I've been following this topic for quite a while, but never had the courage to post myself... I'm glad here's activity again!
Jedi-2B posted:
Just checked out the countdown, and #30 was my favorite. Especially the illustration.
I have to agree with you and find myself wondering why I love it so much!
Many people complain that "Luke always saves the day" and "Luke is so all-powerfull" but I just can't agree with them! I think Luke has had very few absolutely good moments in canon. He usually saves the day yes, but there are always "buts".
In ROTJ he stupidly throws his lightsaber away and almost gets fried by Palps, in TaB he scares the Ssi-Ruuk away yes, but fails to save Dew Sibwarra and is so devastated by it that he loses his love-interest in the proces. Well, not that I mind he loses her but still...
In the otherwise wonderful TTT it is Mara who kills BOTH the bad clone AND C'baoth and in Dark Empire Luke really screws up. An in DA II he again fails to protect the woman he loves.
I could go on, I mean, we all know BFC and NJO...
The strange thing is that somehow I just love Luke even more for all these failures! They make him so much more intersting, and the fact that he always gets up and goes on again, is what I admire most in him.
But all these failures also make me so happy that he for once, really and unquestionably is allowed to kick ass!!!
Anyone has thoughts on this?
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Jade_eyes
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Kataja--I think part of that is that Luke's not setting out be the GRAND AND MUNIFICENT SAVIOR OF ALL! He's in a sitch where the unexpected happens or someone needs to do something, so... I like him better too for not being infallible--but always being compassionate and generous of spirit. Oh, SQUEE! Warm/fuzzy reflections. 
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Jedi-2B
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Welcome to the thread, kataja. And I agree with you and Jade_eyes. Luke's humanity, flaws and all, is what makes him endearing.
I was just watching Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and the scene where Hermione & Ron are bragging on all of Harry's accomplishments reminded me of this. Harry keeps objecting, saying he was just lucky sometimes, and usually had help. Luke is a lot like this, modest to a fault. Brave because the situation requires him to be. Honest because he wouldn't know how to be dishonest. Realizes that he's not always the best person for the job, and willing to accept the help of others. No aspirations to be the hero, but he becomes one. Kinda like the Leia quote in the ANH novelization: "They were in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes."
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dancing_star
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Hey everyone! 
I too have been closely following this thread. I love my Lukie.
I just wanted to pop in and say I totally agree with Kataja and Jade_eyes and Jedi-2B.
Luke's humanity, flaws and all, is what makes him endearing.
Luke is a lot like this, modest to a fault. Brave because the situation requires him to be. Honest because he wouldn't know how to be dishonest. Realizes that he's not always the best person for the job, and willing to accept the help of others. No aspirations to be the hero, but he becomes one. Kinda like the Leia quote in the ANH novelization: "They were in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes."
That's Luke to a "T"! That was so well said, I'm not even going to try and say it better myself. I'll just leave it at that.
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ancslove
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I would say don't disregard Luke's time with the Rebel Alliance. A lot of profic writers seem to forget that he had a life, and a career before he became a Jedi. Luke's first full formal training was military, and that would still influence him in certain situations. He formed and commanded an elite squadron before he was 22. He knows how to lead and how to train others (KJA, I'm looking at you). Of course he's greatly influenced by Obi-Wan and Yoda, but he also learned a hell of a lot from Han and Wedge. He was a Rogue and a Rebel, used to acting outside of mission parameters when the case demanded. He's a con artist (I mean that in a good way!) who begged, nagged, and finally bribed Han into rescuing Leia in ANH, and a gambler who risked everything on the bet that there was some good in Darth Vader. Luke DID NOT blindly follow Obi-Wan and Yoda's every decree! And when he didn't like one option, he found another. This is the guy who bluffed the Imperial garrison on Bakura into unconditional surrender, who saved his would-be assassin's life, and later taught her how to improve her lightsaber technique. He doesn't necessarily follow the rules (of the military, the old Jedi, or of plain common sense!).
Having said all that, I'm not sure I like Luke leading the Jedi Order in NJO and beyond. Before anyone kills me, let me explain. I think Luke works best when he's able to bend the rules a little, and he can't do that if he's the one essentially making the rules. It's the same reason that I wouldn't want to see him (or Han, or Wedge) as the overall leader of the NR military. Basically, if Anakin hadn't fallen, and the old Order hadn't been destroyed, I don't think Luke would have been Yoda's successor. Kam Solusar is better suited for that role. Luke's more like Mace Windu. Once the Order is up and running, I wish Luke could have stepped back, ceded political control to Kam, and served as a Council member. I think Luke is a little like Kyp Durron (Han sees the similarities too), only far more selfless. However, Kyp has trouble seeing people as actual people. Luke doesn't. Having Kam in Luke's current position, and Luke in Kyp's might have made the Order a little stronger during the Yuuzhan Vong war. I think another problem he has is that by the beginning of Vector Prime, Luke is the only one of his circle still in an official position of power. Leia, Mon Mothma, Rieekan, Dodonna, Cracken, Ackbar, Bel Iblis, Gavrisom, Wedge, Tycho have all resigned. He's never really worked with any of the new guard, and certainly never before he became a Jedi Master. Fey'lya is the only one he knows, and they hate each other.
Sorry for the ramblings, I'd love for someone to argue with me (or, Force forbid, even agree with me!).
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Jedi-2B
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I do agree about Luke's military training influencing alot of what he does. I think he still feels most comfortable in the pilot's seat of an X-wing, rather than coordinating overall battle strategy.
And, I can see where you're coming from about him leading the Jedi now. It seems like he feels tied down, that he doesn't have a choice. He's the one who resurrected the Jedi order, so everyone expects him to lead it for the rest of his life, and he feels obligated to comply. I think they even touched on that somewhat in one of the recent books. After Mara's death, the Council was foundering because Luke was still too grief-stricken to take charge. After this current ridiculous war is over, I'm half expecting Luke to finally say enough is enough, and hand over leadership to someone else (if the Powers-that-be don't go nuts and kill him off).
I always saw similarities between Luke and Qui-Gon Jinn, especially in Luke's younger (pre-Grand Master) days. I can see Luke gambling his own and someone else's rescue on a boy he just met winning a race, if he has a gut feeling about the boy.
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Um, I want to point out that Luke's first formal training was AGRICULTURAL. Sure it was moisture farming, and he doesn't plan on using it, but he was almost 20 in ANH, an adult. And he knows plenty about maintaining machinery and droids.
I don't know enough about NJO to say much about it. But I really don't see Luke as 'management'. At most, he would be advisory but I don't know who would be running things. Yes, I think in later years, Luke would be more like Qui-Gon, but little more cautious like Obi-Wan. I suppose Luke might lean toward the Living Force.
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ancslove posted:
He's a con artist (I mean that in a good way!) who begged, nagged, and finally bribed Han into rescuing Leia in ANH, and a gambler who risked everything on the bet that there was some good in Darth Vader. Luke DID NOT blindly follow Obi-Wan and Yoda's every decree! And when he didn't like one option, he found another. This is the guy who bluffed the Imperial garrison on Bakura into unconditional surrender, who saved his would-be assassin's life, and later taught her how to improve her lightsaber technique. He doesn't necessarily follow the rules (of the military, the old Jedi, or of plain common sense!).
So true, so true! He improvises! And I agree that profic writers for some reason forget the "young Luke"!
But I don't agree that Kam would lead the Jedi order better. The problem is that there is only Luke, so he's stucked in a role that's not really him.
I haven't read Sacrifice yet, only scimmed it but I remember there to be a statement where Luke actually thinks about himself being a farmboy and a family man at heart, not a leader of orders.
I'd say leader of squardons yes, leader of orders, no... But the profic writers have wiped out any other possibility, I think...
ardavenport posted:
Um, I want to point out that Luke's first formal training was AGRICULTURAL.
True too. And like his father, I can see him relax and just being himself when working with his hands...
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I agree that "young Luke" is a facet we don't really see in the profic. People seem to forget ESB!Luke was cocky, sure of himself, convinced he was always right, funny and daring. I know he's grown and matured, but he's still that brash fighter-jock as much as he is that farmboy from Tatooine (which gets brought up much more often).
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