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Jade_Pilot
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2/20 6:49pm
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So right, JadeLotus! I love fics about Luke in Rogue squadron. I wish we had more of them.
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Jedi-2B
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JadeLotus posted:
I agree that "young Luke" is a facet we don't really see in the profic. People seem to forget ESB!Luke was cocky, sure of himself, convinced he was always right, funny and daring. I know he's grown and matured, but he's still that brash fighter-jock as much as he is that farmboy from Tatooine (which gets brought up much more often).
That was one of the aspects that I liked about "Shadows of the Empire." It was funny watching cocky, head-strong Luke butt heads with cocky, head-strong Dash. And we did get glimpses of young Luke in Allegience, too.
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kataja
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I love Shadows of the Empire too! It was so funny! Allegiance was also a really good book, though I think Zahn always puts a little damper on Luke. He is always focusing more on the Farmboy than the figter-jock... 
Isn't it strange, though, how Luke can be this #cocky, sure of himself, convinced he was always right, funny and daring# guy and still be the one who was teased by his friends on Tatooine and didn't fit in?
Of course it shows just how headstrong Luke really is, but it's still something I' d like to read much more about. And write too  .
Hi uncle and aunt must have backed him up much more when he was small than we can see in the film! 
I read the comic books "The wrong side of the war", and especially "My brother, my enemy". They spin the plot around Tank's character - awesome story! It throws an interting light on Luke, who is still very unaware of his greater responsability there. (It's a few months after Yavin) He's more or less just a kid who got lucky, eager to please and even a bit drunk on his succes. But reality's eating into him all the time.
Another thing; I've been thinking a lot over how cocky Luke would be with girls. In many fics he's portrayed as very shy, but after all he has the guts to go for a princess! It doesn't seem shy to me...
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dianethx
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I disliked Shadows of the Empire because I thought Luke was acting too cocky. He'd just found out his father was Darth Vader. I don't think he'd be so cheerful. He should have been more concerned about his own motivations and how he acted around his friends. It didn't strike me as true.
As for Luke being cocky with the girls, I don't buy that either. He acted rather shy with Camie in the radio series and his love for the princess was a worshipping from afar kind of romance. The way he looked when Leia kissed him on Yavin in ANH showed the shy side. He was more brash in TESB but only because she kissed him first!
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leiamoody
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dianethx posted:
As for Luke being cocky with the girls, I don't buy that either. He acted rather shy with Camie in the radio series and his love for the princess was a worshipping from afar kind of romance. The way he looked when Leia kissed him on Yavin in ANH showed the shy side. He was more brash in TESB but only because she kissed him first!
Agreed. Going off to save a princess is a sign of the chivalrous knight. That doesn't necessarily mean said knight was going to pursue any romantic claims on the princess. It's obvious from his reaction after the kiss that little or nothing ever transpired in that department during the course of three years.
Plus, how long did it take for him to propose to Mara Jade?
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dianethx
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leiamoody posted:
Plus, how long did it take for him to propose to Mara Jade?
Too long! 
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Knight_Aragorn
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Personally - and I may be in the minority here - I'm inclined to think that while Luke may not be Han Solo when it comes to women, I don't think that he would be exactly shy and retiring either. He's never lacked in confidence, and he's not reticent about things he believes in strongly. Just my opinion, but I struggle to buy Luke being blushing and awkward with women, especially when it's post-RotJ Luke.
As for the relationships with Leia and Mara... I kind of read those more as there being other elements getting in the way than uncertainty on Luke's part. Han, for instance, the whole "I always knew" sister issue, and Mara's overwhelming desire to kill him with they first met, not to mention her lingering issues with powerful Force users.
Not wanting to throw the thread off topic here, but had to throw my two cents' worth in. 
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kataja
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Uh oh, maybe I'm rambling out of topic too, but I can't help replying again, since I think it's such an interesting matter. (Just tell me to hush, someone...)
I haven't heard the radio series, unfortunately, but I remember Camie from the book and cut-away scenes, and remember her as being pretty nasty to Luke. I can't really imagine Luke approaching her, even if he perhaps would have liked to. She's the type to laugh up a guy's face...
As for Leia, I agree Luke never gets beyond worshipping (and lucky for them...). Also in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, he decides to protect her, from himself also. But Luke and Han still has a race going on about her love and that's pretty cocky in my eyes. I really believe Luke puts Leia on a pedestal where she stays untill somewhere after he realizes he's lost the race and besides is his sister...
But if that's shyness... well, I don't know? I guess I have Mark Hamill so much in my head when thinking of Luke and MH to me doesn't seem shy one bit. Or, well, he might look shy, but he doesn't seem shy. If you understand what I mean...?
On the other hand the Rebellion would be full of women, more approachable than Leia. Sure many of them must have been interested in Luke. At least the comic books (of which I've read only a few) are full of potential love-interests.
*I'm inclined to think that while Luke may not be Han Solo when it comes to women, I don't think that he would be exactly shy and retiring either *
I have to agree with K_A here. He might be a bit blushing, perhaps, but not awkward.
Besides, feeling awkward has never stopped Luke, has it?
But I might imagine that just the fact that he admired Leia might get in his way. Like: "what if Leia sees me flirting with another woman..." LOL! On the other hand he's a very young , outgoing man. And it's war too... I don't know...
Finally, when it comes to Mara, I don't think it was shyness either. There were simply so many things in their way: first her hatred for him, then she'd need time to build herself up, then Luke falls to the Dark side, then there's Callista, Mara's supposed reationship with Lando, you name it.
But I certainly agree it took too long! LOL!
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I never meant to imply Luke would have been shy or retiring with women. Not forthright, yes, but not fumbling, bumbling, perpetual stereotypical schoolboy either.
To be honest, I rather agreed with Mark Hamill's assessment that Luke would probably become like Ben in his later years, and live some kind of hermit lifestyle. I'm not satisfied with the profic solution (Mara fans, this is a personal opinion, not an attack on any of you).
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kataja posted:
I haven't read Sacrifice yet, only scimmed it but I remember there to be a statement where Luke actually thinks about himself being a farmboy and a family man at heart, not a leader of orders.
I know I'm coming up with this late, but this weekend I'm forcing myself to go back and finally read the Mando sections of 'Sacrifice,' so I won't be too lost when 'Revelation' comes out, and I happened upon the section that kataja was thinking of. It seemed to fit perfectly our discussion of whether Luke is the right person to still be leading the Jedi Order. At the risk of boring everyone, here's the scene:
(Lumiya has just left evidence at the Skywalker apartment proving that she can get to Ben anytime she wants. Luke is on his way to show it to Mara).
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Luke broke the traffic regulations a dozen times. He skipped out of the regulated skylanes -- always busy on Coruscant -- and got a discordant blast of horns from vessels whose noses he nearly clipped. In the way of automatic actions, his mind slipped into deep contemplation as he took the familiar route to Starfighter Command.
I know what my problem is.
He thought back forty years, when he'd been ready to rush to the aid of a total stranger on the basis of a message in an intercepted hologram. The plea for rescue hadn't even been aimed at him, but he'd responded to it anyway, without thinking, without questioning, because it had felt like something he had to do.
And now I act sensibly and soberly, because I'm leader of the Jedi Council, and I'm not nineteen anymore.
But it wasn't his nature. It wasn't what he did best. Just because he had whatever gifts the Force had given him more generously than other Jedi, it didn't mean he cut out for ... management. Yes, management: that was it. He thought of the nagging frustration he always felt when he sent other Jedi on missions, and how he thought that was just reluctance to admit it was the turn of the young Jedi to take on the physical derring-do while he made wise judgments in the Chamber.
Sitting on my backside.
What he did best was right wrongs, and if he couldn't put this right for his only child, then what was he?
I forgot who I am.
He was an uncomplicated man who cared enough about his friends and family to die for them, if that was what it took to save them. He was, as Mara told him at least once a day, a farmboy.
He was Luke Skywalker. And if he could take on the Empire without a second thought, he could certainly finish off one of the last pitiful remnants of its rule - Lumiya.
*Sacrifice, page 174*
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And, of course, skimming back thru this book reminded me of how, if not for the terrible ending, I could've admired Karen Traviss's writing.
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kataja
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I do think Traviss is a good writer. (And I think so though I still get sad when I think of Sacrifice.)
I guess the main reason I like her is that she (along with the other LoTF authors) really give us some introspection of the characters.
And though the writers might not get everything "right" in a book (that is how I'd like them to be, LOL), I've got this feeling they still TRY to focus on getting the characters right!
Like this "how Luke is managing as a father" issue - we might think LoTF shows some horrible examples, but at least it is an ISSUE in all of the books! And it is still to be seen how it will turn out...
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Jade_Pilot
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I agree about the introspection, Kataja, Karen does do that a lot. I just get tired of her Mando focus in LOTF. And I won't even go into what I think of Sacrifice.
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I'm a little late on noticing but I have to say, Jade_Pilot, your Valentine's day pic of Luke and Mara is wonderful!  
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Awwwwwww...thankee! I'm having fun with my new software! 
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