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LordNyax113
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Jedi_Liz posted:
ardavenport posted:
Aaaaah, I see that 'Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor' by Matthew Stover is listed for an October 21, 2008 release on amazon. But it's hardcover. Grumble. I usually wait for the paperback to come out.
you can often find the book up to 40% (hardcover) on a site like overstock.com Maybe you could buy it from there?
I'd actually try Half.com by eBay. Great place for gently used books at good prices.
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ardavenport
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So, i'm wondering.....how much was Luke told about his parents and Shmi by Owen and Beru?
Obviously Anakin being a Jedi was one thing that was covered over, but Luke still seems to have known his name. Luke probably got everything about Shmi; he probably even saw holos of her since she was married to Owen's father for years. And it probably wasn't a secret in the area that Clieg Lars bought her out of slavery.
I would think that Beru at least told Luke as much as she could his parents if he asked, Maybe:
Anakin Skywalker - Shmi Skywalker's son, left slavery to become a navigator on a spice freighter, physical description. Met him only once when Shmi died.
Padme - rich woman from Coruscant with her own ship. Nice, pretty, died in childbirth after Anakin died.
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Jedi_Liz
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I think I read somewhere that Shmi had an unmarked grave so Luke wouldn't ask who Shmi was. I wonder when Cliegg died, though. My guess is that the death of Shmi hit him hard and he died before Luke arrived.
As for telling him about Padme, I'm not sure. He was more interested in knowing about his father, from what A New Hope tells us. He only was curious about his mother after he learned Leia was his sister.
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ardavenport
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I would find that terribly sad if Luke were not told about his grandmother. I suppose for the EU, Luke wasn't told about Shmi because so much of the EU was written before the prequels, so no one knew about her for the stories. So, she gets written out to make the EU fit with the prequels. Very confusing. I think that's why I don't do much with the EU.
For practical reasons, I find it hard to believe that Luke wasn't told anything about Shmi:
- The community had to know about Shmi since a party of 30 went out to rescue her from the sandpeople. And only 4 came back. People around Archorhead would remember Shmi.
- Did Shmi never talk about her son who went to become a Jedi? She at least told the Lars's since Owen knew about Anakin. He even seemed curious about what his step-brother was like when he met him. And Anakin brought Shmi's body back. People in the area would have been told about that I think since so many had died trying to save her.
- The graves were obviously moved. But having gravestones like that in the middle of a sandstorm probably wouldn't be a good idea. perhaps it's standard on Tatooine to take down memorials like that after some time had passed.
I assume that Luke would have to have been told about Shmi since people obviously knew about her already. Surely he was told how he was related to Owen and Beru. Or sure he would have asked when he was old enough. They just would have covered up anything about Anakin being a Jedi. Shmi might not have said anything about that to anyone else but the Lars family. And I doubt the moisture farmer community was very friendly to the Empire.
I think Luke was probably interested in both his parents, but Obi-Wan gave him his father's lightsaber, so that's who Luke asked about. But I doubt the Lars's were told anything about Padme, other than her first name and what she said to them. So, they probably did not have much info to pass onto Luke anyway.
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ardavenport posted:
I think Luke was probably interested in both his parents, but Obi-Wan gave him his father's lightsaber, so that's who Luke asked about.
I totally agree!  If Obi Wan had offered him something of his mother's I'll bet he would've asked the same question about her.
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Jedi_Liz
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I know "Tatooine Ghost" had Leia learn some things about her father before he succumbed to the dark side. Perhaps Leia shared that video journal with Luke and he learned about Shmi that way.
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kataja
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Neither Beru nor Owen could know that Padme was Luke's mother. They might have guessed, but they would not know. And in DNT Luke doesn't know who the woman is that appears on R2's holorecordings, so either B & O didn't know either or then they didn't tell him anything about her.
If they never had anything to tell Luke, he might expect no one knew about his mother and therefor never ask.
On the other hand it's very clear that Owen has a problem with his stepbrother. As Luke would discover this, it might have increased his need to find out more about his father. Especially as his problems with his uncle would grow all the time as Luke would grow more and more to be himself. He would desperately need another identification to be able to distance himself from Owen. Luke probably never had those problems with Beru and hence he would not need his mother as badly.
As for Shmi - I'm not sure the community would talk that much about her. Many "old fashioned" communities (and families) do not tell stories, especially those that are connected with pain of some kind - and the way Shmi diappeared and people were lost in trying to rescue her, the pain would have been great indeed. Bear in mind that Luke is very young when he leaves Tatooine; and those who knew the story of his grandmother would not approach a child to tell a painful story, probably not approach a hotheaded youngster either. They would wait untill he'd be older and settled and then, maybe, reveal what they knew....
I wouldn't be surprised if Silence was a pretty common disease amongs the farmers on Tatooine...
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kataja
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I managed to finish my answer the Free Time Challenge.
Here's the link:
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bumping it to the top
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kataja posted:
Neither Beru nor Owen could know that Padme was Luke's mother. They might have guessed, but they would not know. And in DNT Luke doesn't know who the woman is that appears on R2's holorecordings, so either B & O didn't know either or then they didn't tell him anything about her.
Sorry, I haven't read DNT, so I'm not using it in my speculations. The things that Owen and Beru would know:
- Anakin is a Jedi and Padme was with him when he rescued Shrmi.
- From his expression, it looks like Anakin had hard feelings toward the Lars's about his mother.
- Owen looked like he was ready to accept Anakin when they first met, but I don't think he would be kind about being.
- Ben 'Obi-Wan' Kenobi was a Jedi Knight.
Owen might have been closed-mouthed about what happened, but I think Beru would have told him what she knew about meeting Anakin.
A lot depends on what Obi-Wan told Owen and Beru when he brought Luke to them. He told them that Luke was Anakin's son and so Shmi's grandson. Otherwise, I don't why they would have taken him. They would have asked who the mother was and since the only woman they saw Anakin with was Padme they likely asked if it was her. I assume that Obi-Wan told them, yes. But probably no more since it was safest not to know. I think they would have accepted that.
I really, really have a hard time believing that a community would not talk about 30 people getting killed by Sand people. As soon as some kids don't take their parents' warnings about them seriously, the story would come out as an example of what once happened. They all probably left out the part about a Jedi bringing Shmi back after the Empire was up and running. And so, Luke wouldn't know that, because talking about Jedi was bad news in general. But I can't see any reason why he wouldn't know what happened to his grandmother.
Luke said he hated the Empire in ANH in a way that implied that everyone hated the Empire. That was likely the general sentiment in the community. If anyone suspected that the crazy old man in the hills was a Jedi, they wouldn't say anything about it. And if anyone knew that Shmi's son was a Jedi, they wouldn't say anything about it either.
I agree that Luke likely wanted a different father-figure than Owen. But while there was friction between them, there wasn't any animosity. He had a few scraps of information about his father and when he found out he was a Jedi, he wanted to know more. He would have had even less info about his mother (and Beru looked a kinder mother-figure for him), but by ROTJ, he was just as eager to know more about her. That makes me wonder what Yoda told him about Padme??? Yeah, Yoda was holding back the little detail about Anakin being Darth Vader, but I don't see any reason for him not to say anything.
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Yoda also held back the fact that he had a twin sister, but I think mostly because Luke was very vulnerable to force probes (mind reading?) at that point. Vader was still able to probe his mind in their final duel, though.
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Yeah, Vader extracted the information about Leia pretty quick. Regrettably, there was plenty of reason to not tell Luke some things. Though it seems like at the last minute Yoda decided to tell Luke, so that left Obi-Wan to tell him the rest. I suppose at that point, it was more harm to not tell him the rest of what they knew than to hold back. Both Yoda and Obi-Wan had joined the Force.
Yoda must have taught Luke the basics about controlling his thoughts, but obviously he wasn't that good at it yet.
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I was just poking around on amazon and saw that 'Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor' is supposed to be release on Dec 28, 2008. So, it will be out this year. Just.
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