Author Topic: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
DathomiranAuthor  854 posts
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Date Posted: 2/26/05 8:32am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
The Nightsisters would probably like the female ruling government, at least. I guess I could see some Nightsisters despising Hapes, but others looking at it as an opportunity, perhaps.

But Nightsisters and Hapans are both power-hungry (a generalization).

It would be rather interesting to read about what they think.

As for Tenel Ka protecting Dathomir from Hapes's influence, well, I don't really know how she would do it, but I have no doubt that she'd find a way.

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C3P0_R2D2  453 posts
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Date Posted: 2/27/05 5:37am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Ish kinda late, but what the heck is a fringer?


And I'd say Tenel Ka wouldn't bring Dathomir(sp?) into Hapes. She'd rule it seperately, if at all. But I'd say that at the first chance she got, she'd give the Crown of Hapes to a daughter/sister/randompasserby, and go back to Dathomir(sp?).

 

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CarrKicksDoor  604 posts
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Date Posted: 2/27/05 8:55am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Fringer: Someone who lives either in the outer rim or at the fringe of a system.

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I don't know that TK would immediately pass off the throne--she's already had that chance and declined.

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DathomiranAuthor  854 posts
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Date Posted: 2/27/05 9:48am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Randompasserby? Don't you think that's a little . . . unsafe?

Tenel Ka may not like politics, but I think she's more cautious than that. lol. grin

Eventually, I could see her willingly passing the crown down to a daughter, though.

 

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C3P0_R2D2  453 posts
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Date Posted: 2/27/05 4:33pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Yeah, but she doesn't like ruling Hapes.

And thanks... I'm never gonna use that info., but whatever. I get curious sometimes.

Did she have a chance to pass it on in NJO? 'Cuz I never read the whole series and never will.

 

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CarrKicksDoor  604 posts
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Date Posted: 2/27/05 5:15pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
She's had more than one opportunity to hand over power...once to Jaina Solo, and she's several cousins that could take power, but she didn't just inherit the throne--she *chose* to do so to defend Hapes.

 

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20142 posts
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Date Posted: 2/28/05 9:06am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Sorry about taking so long with this. Here's some more infro on both Hapes and Dathomir. Source is, as usual, Cracken's Threat Dossier.

Much like Coruscant, Hapes is a planet that never sleeps. As the bureaucratic center for the entire Hapan Cluster, all Hapan member worlds have an embassy here. By law, all major financial and business transactions conducted within the domain of the Hapes Consortium must be performed on Hapes proper. Most major corporations have a branch office on Hapes...

The Hapes Transit Authority handles more than 2,000 starships a day...

Hapes is dominated by lush forests and majestic mountain ranges. The cities are stately and its factories impeccably clean-as mandated by Hapan Consortium law.

Outside the cities, much of Hapes wildlife remains undisturbed. Hunting is strictly regulated, as is the planet's thriving fishing industry. In the center of Hapes' largest city-"Ta'a Chume'Dan or "Queen Mother's Residence-lies a large, mountain-like structure. It is on this platform that the space vessel Star Home (NRI Security File: 94213.9421:991) rests while Ta'a Chume holds court.


Hapes

Type: Terrestrial
Temperature: Temperate
Atmosphere: Type 1
Hydrosphere: Moderate
Gravity: Standard
Terrain: Mountain
Length of Day: 22 standard hours
Length of Year: 240 local days
Sapient species: (N) Humans: Hapans
Starport: Imperial Class
Population: 4 million*
Planet Function: Government, homeworld
Government: Monarchy (Hapan Royal Family)
Tech Level: Space
Major Exports: None
Major Imports: Luxury Goods

*Pretty sure that's not accurate, but included for the sake of...completeness? Probably meant to be 4 billion or something like that.

I will type up Dathomir's stuff tonight, mostly because I have to go and get ready for work now.

 

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Date Posted: 2/28/05 12:18pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Just a random question that's distantly related to TK: What are the clans on Dathomir besides White River, Singing Mountain, and Nightsister?

 

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Date Posted: 2/28/05 7:05pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
I'm not real sure about that. I figure you could make up anything that really sounded good if you wanted to. Too bad the Unofficial Encyclopedia is offline, they might have known.

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20142 posts
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Date Posted: 2/28/05 8:12pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread - Date Edited: 2/28/05 8:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RK_Striker_JK_5
I've never heard of any other clan names. You could just make them up pretty easily. Just make it 'woodsy'.

And lo and behold, I can do Dathomir's info now!


Again, Cracken's Threat Dossier.

Dathomir is a relatively small planet capable of supporting human life. There are three moderately large continents, ranging in terrain from jungles to deserts to snow-capped mountains. Its gravity is just slightly less than Coruscant standard and considered rather pleasant by most offworlders.

From the willowy-thin trees that tower as high as eighty meters from the ground, to the giant wuffa worms (NRI Security File: 777655:09:87.1) who burrow beneath the surface, life on Dathomir is in abundance...

In addition, the planet has numerous other forms of wildlife: drebbin, ssurrians, burra fish...

Human offworlders may experience a burning sensation in their sinuses, a sympton of the planet's high level of (for lack of a better term) "life force".

As luck would have it, a remarkable find was made on Koratas, Dathomir's fourth moon. Digging through the thick, red-tinted soil, Imperial scientists stumbled across several rich veins of neutronium*, lommite and zersium. These minerals are the primary components in the alloy known as durasteel, the most common warship-grade armor used in Imperial ship construction.


Dathomir

Type: Terrestrial
Temperature: Temperate
Atmosphere: Type One
Hydrosphere: Moderate
Gravity: Slightly less than standard
Terrain: Desert, forest, jungle, mountain
Length of day: 24 standard hours
Length of year: 491 local days
Sapient Species: Humans, Rancor Mutants
Starport: Limited services (Imperial Prison)
Government: Tribal (New Republic allied)
Tech Level: Stone, Space (Imperial Prison)
Major Exports: None
Major Imports: None

*I'd take the neutronium one with a grain of salt. The writer of this doesn't know just how dense neutronium really is, or the fact that it's ejected from stars...or something like that.

 

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Date Posted: 2/28/05 8:22pm Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
one teaspoon of neutronium would be about 10 billion tons on earth. Its safe to say that there probably isn't any on dathomir.

 

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Amidala_Skywalker  5958 posts
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Date Posted: 3/1/05 6:43am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Quote from this website:

Extraordinarily sophisticated technology is one thing . . . far be it from me to dispute Clarke. However, Warsies are claiming that you can kick the dirt on a moon and stub your toe on neutronium. They are claiming that somehow, magically, neutronium has escaped from a neutron star and decided to bury itself just under the surface of a moon.

At no point is this moon referred to as being ultradense, ultramagnetic, ultragravitational, et cetera. It's just a moon, and once you kick some dirt away, you don't find an iron shell of a neutron star, nosirree bob, you kick straight to neutronium, conveniently disguised as a vein of some heavy metallic element.

Further, when the hell did compressed neutrons become a metallic element? You can look all day on the periodic table and not find a metallic element called neutronium, or sharing any of the characteristics of neutronium, for the simple reason that every metallic (or even non-metallic) element, by default, has protons and electrons, whereas real neutronium doesn't!


I got curious wink .

It makes me think that SW EU fact book authors get their facts out of thin air. That population of four million must be a typo. It wouldn’t be much of a capital planet with four million.

Thanks for typing that up, Striker! happy I’ll include it in the first mass update later today.

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20142 posts
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Date Posted: 3/1/05 6:52am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
Oh, god! I've got that site bookmarked! Yeah, there's no way neutronium is found on that moon.

 

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Date Posted: 3/1/05 7:21am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread - Date Edited: 3/1/05 7:26am (1 edits total) Edited By: Thrawn McEwok
Ahh, continuity snaffles and improbabilities. Tastes like bread and butter pudding to this little Ewok...

Well, here's the way I'd fix it... wink

There's no reason why Hapes should have a large surface-side population - the Consortium is primarily an interstellar monarchy sustained by a powerful military, after all - in CoPL the individual worlds seem quite autonomous and distinctive... think of it as a sort of Star Wars Versailles/Escorial... and note that even the palace in the major city is a copy (and a mobile one, to boot!) of the original Disney Castle, the Fountain Palace, which sits out on its own in the country, and seems to be entirely a court/command centre...

If you feel that a royal park with a few small cities and a population of four million is a bit "lightweight" for a capital world, though, then do what I do when thinking of important SW star-systems - imagine a built-up system, with shipyards, military fortresses, mining stations, hydroponic facilities, terraformed/habitable gas-giant moons, and deep-space habitats, with a vast population up in the billions...

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As to neutronium, there's a discussion of the real-world physiscs here; and here Mike Wong gives his usual savaging to a pro-Trek reading of the pseudoscience (I think it may be the same one linked-to above)... if nothing else, this is a good example of the sort of 'evidence' involved, and the use and abuse that goes on when dealing with it...

However, if I can draw your eyes away from the bear-pit for a moment...

I rather like the suggestion that the metals on Dathomir's moon come from an old ship or space station (perhaps so old that they've been buried geologically)...

But, that's not even necessary, IMHO...

Now, I'm no scientist (most scientists would probably laugh at most or all of what follows), but from what I understand, real-world "neutronium" is a very dense phase of matter, transformed from iron by the effects of special relativity; that's what it means, anyway - but physisists don't like the term...

Thankfully, though, Star Wars isn't bound by real-world physics. We have deflector shields, energy-swords, repulsorlifts and grav-well generators, faster-than-light travel, subspace communications, and the Force - most or all of which are essential for any self-respecting Space Opera...

On at least one occasion, the science governing at least some of these phenomena is said to be called hyperphysics... and I rather like that term...

So I'm going to suggest that SW 'neutronium' isn't actually real-world 'neutronium', any more than SW 'lasers' are real-world lasers... but it is a phased state of iron.

In other worlds, the "neutronium" at Dathomir is good old iron ore (the moon's surface is iron-oxide red, after all tongue ), but it's "phased" in some way that our science can't understand, but which gives it, at least when alloyed into durasteel (iron => steel, remember?), important "hyperphysical" properties, properties which help it to deflect or absorb "hyperphysical" weapons like turbolasers and proton torpedoes...

Everyone happy with that? If not, feel free to disagree... grin

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Date Posted: 3/1/05 7:25am Subject: RE: Crystal Reef Palace Auditorium (CRPA) - Jacen/Tenel Ka Index & Resource Thread
So, it's called neutronium, but has absolutely no relation to real world neutronium...

My head hurts. I think I'll go shovel the half-foot of snow we got last night...

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