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Jesina_Dreis Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 10:24am Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	Awww, that's too bad. Maybe you'll have time for the next one... -----signature----- Stay safe, Ev Big sister to valin_halcyon Rest in Peace, Jeremy http://www.heatherjanes.com http://z9.invisionfree.com/downtime
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Enelya_Sol Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 11:21am Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!! - Date Edited: 2/24/05 11:22am (1 edits total) Edited By: Enelya_Sol
	Just popping in here quickly before I finally go do all the homework I need to do to say I wrote a fic for the challenge! I think it's my first time killing a character off purposely. It was strange. And I did try to go for a more serious Wes, but the fic itself wound up being pretty odd. And I did try writing other pilots...I still think Wes just seems to be the easiest for me (well, humorous Wes) but that could be cause I've had the most practice with him. So yeah... Can't Look Dignfied Back to your regularly scheduled discussion now. -----signature----- She found herself smiling. There was nothing wrong with a man who cared about animals, nothing at all, even if he wiped out cities.
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CommanderConrad Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 2/24/05 11:21am Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	Yes, he does take a lot of responsibility on himself in the NJO. But I wouldn't say that's owing to a desire to be a hero. I would say that that's his nature. You're right, there. As the NJO goes on, he does take more supporting roles rather than the front-line action. Luke takes a lot of responsibility on himself I'd say Luke had a lot of responsibility thrust upon him, right from birth. For years, he was the only Jedi in the galaxy, so I think his problem is that he couldn't delgate that responsibility. as do Wedge and Tycho and a number of others. But I don't think they see themselves as doing something special. They just see it as their job, whereas Corran seems to pat himself on the back a little more than the rest of them (to me, anyways.) Corran is one of those who can't sit idly by while the universe goes on without him. He needs to be involved, he needs to be doing something. Very true. As for Ithor, I don't think that was about being a hero. That was, to a degree at least, about revenge. He admits as much after the fight, and beats himself up over it. True enough. Jedi Corran is a bad example, definately less proud. -----signature----- I dispense from this side judgments inexorable, without the least remorse.
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RogueMara Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/24/05 11:56am Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	Boss lady wants to know when she's getting the fic to look over :P I read it over this morning and it sounded too forced, so I'm going to try to fix it first I suppose that's the downside to writing things at midnight, lol -----signature----- Witch hunting is never in season.
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Jesina_Dreis Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 12:11pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!! - Date Edited: 2/24/05 12:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jesina_Dreis
	I'll add it in a little while, Enelya. Conrad - Corran's character matures significantly. In the x-wing books he's still a cocky kid, age and experience notwithstanding. I think he becomes more comfortable with himself. His father's death did something to him ... something more than just making him angry at the galaxy. He's got a massive guilt complex, and he's got to make up for that. He always struck me as blaming himself for his father's death, and that kind of thing can have a huge impact on him. He's compensating, and he, too (like Wes) strikes me as being a bit insecure ... but more insecure with himself than anything else. He needs to prove himself to himself. If that makes any sense. shouts LUNEY!!! Come here and explain Corran in a way that's actually understandable!!!!!!! Mara, sadly, that's when I do most of my writing -----signature----- Stay safe, Ev Big sister to valin_halcyon Rest in Peace, Jeremy http://www.heatherjanes.com http://z9.invisionfree.com/downtime
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CommanderConrad Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 2/24/05 12:14pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	No, that was completely understandable. But why exactly do you think Wes is insecure? -----signature----- I dispense from this side judgments inexorable, without the least remorse.
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Jesina_Dreis Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 12:31pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	Hahahaha ... what have I started? Insecure may not be the best word ... but here goes. I think Wes needs to feel needed. I'm not sure, honestly, where I'm getting that from, but if you think about it, you can kinda see it. I don't buy him as the "have to be the center of attention" type that he tends to come across as in the books. He's kind of appointed himself morale officer. He lightens things up, keeps everyone from completely going bonkers. If you think about him, think about what he's good at (and this is a running theme in my stories) ... what he excels at is killing. He's a starfighter pilot, a crack shot ... he's good at dealing death. And that can't sit well with him. If I was him, I'd feel like I had no purpose outside of a war situation ... I don't think Wes likes the person he's become because of the war, the person he's had to be ... I'm going to quit while there's still some semblance of logic here ... gotta finish my "False Truths" post, and then I'll be back. scampers off to be evil -----signature----- Stay safe, Ev Big sister to valin_halcyon Rest in Peace, Jeremy http://www.heatherjanes.com http://z9.invisionfree.com/downtime
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Enelya_Sol Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 12:46pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	I don't know if I ever pictured Wes as insecure. I always figured him for more of an attention hog. His jokes and pranks get him the attentio he wants, and we all get a good laugh out of it in the process. But you do bring up a good point about him only being good at killing, Jes. I think that's a situation that most pilots have to deal with, not just Wes. It's interesting to see how each approach the subject through their own personalities. So in that way, could his jokes and pranks also be some sort of buffer for all the death he has to face in his job? -----signature----- She found herself smiling. There was nothing wrong with a man who cared about animals, nothing at all, even if he wiped out cities.
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Jesina_Dreis Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 12:47pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	See, I don't think he's an attention hog at all ... that's the fundamental difference between me and the rest of the galaxy on the Wes issue -----signature----- Stay safe, Ev Big sister to valin_halcyon Rest in Peace, Jeremy http://www.heatherjanes.com http://z9.invisionfree.com/downtime
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RogueMara Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:01pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	I have to agree that Wes has taken on the role of morale officer. It does seem that he feels it's his responsibility to cheer everyone up. I kind of see Wes as the "likes to take care of everyone, but keeps his own problems to himself" type. I don't really think he's the type to admit how he actually feels, so he makes jokes to cheer everyone (including himself) up - it's easier than actually dealing with things. Does that make sense or am I cracked? lol -----signature----- Witch hunting is never in season.
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Rowan_Jade Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:06pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	I'm gonna agree with you Jes, not just because we normally do but because I don't see Wes as an attention hog. He's been thrown into a situation where he's really good at what he does but he doesn't necessarily want to do it. I'm basing this explanation on what I see from cannon, since there is no real recorded cannon history for Wes. He comes from a farming background but he grew up excelling at hitting targets, no matter what they were. So before the Empire could grab him and exploit him he joined the Rebellion where he could do something he was good at at the same time he was fighting for something he believed in. So in the Rebellion he got TONS of practice doing what he's really good at, killing people. He got better and better at it, and at some point he realized that what he could do was not an excepted "profession" in the "real world", so he deals with it in the way he can, humor. Put yourself in that position for just a second. If you are REALLY good at one thing, killing people, you can either, become a paid mercenary, stay in the armed forces for your whole life, or totally freak. He chose not to freak, and not to be "bad/evil". He vents his frustrations and hostilities through his humor. It's kind of an insane reaction to keep himself sane. Did anyone ever watch The A-Team? (Yes, I'm dating myself again). The character Murdoch was the same as Wes. He was for all intents and purposes loonier than a psych ward on the full moon, but when you put him in his element he was absolutely brilliant. So he kept this persona of being a total psycho but he was a genius when he wanted to be. Ya gotta think that Allston and Stackpole were huge fans of the A-Team. Think about it... the crazy guy who's actually a genius =Murdoch/Wes The handsome one who is great at makeup and disguises = Face/Face (see??? even the same name!) The brilliant tactician, war hero who cares for the downtrodden victim = Hannibal/Wedge The big guy that blows stuff up and looks mean (sometimes) = B.A. /Kell Okay, that's my two (and a half) cents worth. Go do something creative now! And just try to tell me I watch too much TV! -----signature----- "If you have legs and are flamable, you are not blocking the fire exit" -Mitch Hedberg I am Evil, I am Old, I am YodaRo! Fear my snarkiness! "You're insane you know." -everyone around me Evil Old Wisdom Giver to the Maniac Mountain Clan
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RogueMara Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:10pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!! - Date Edited: 2/24/05 1:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RogueMara
	The character Murdoch was the same as Wes. snicker I never really thought about that, but now that you mention it...MURDOCK IS WES! LOL! snicker LOL! Edit: You've just dated us both, Ro Is it bad that I have every A-team episode on tape? lol -----signature----- Witch hunting is never in season.
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Enelya_Sol Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:14pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!! - Date Edited: 2/24/05 1:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Enelya_Sol
	I definately think I get what you're saying, Rogue Mara, and I think I agree. The jokes and pranks are a defense mechanism that he uses to keep himself, as Rowan put it, sane in his job. Which would make a lot of sense. To bring up another TV show, whenever I watch MAS*H reruns, Hawkeye really often reminds me of Wes. While Hawkeye's job as a doctor saving lives in the Korean War is really different from Wes' job as a fighter pilot, they both seem to use humor and pranks and such as a way to keep themselves grounded in all the death they're having to deal with. It keeps them level headed and allows them to continue doing their job well. Y'know, I don't think I ever thought of Wes as this complex a character before. Definately an interesting discussion. -----signature----- She found herself smiling. There was nothing wrong with a man who cared about animals, nothing at all, even if he wiped out cities.
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talkingbanana Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:17pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	claims the "how the Wraiths feel about being chosen" plot bunny Jes, I thought I told you something about how this coming week is hell week and that's why I can't do the challenge, because I'll be lucky to get six hours a day to myself just to SLEEP. And yet, there you go, giving me a new pet plot bunny to take care of. I think Ro hit it right on with the Wraiths. She said exactly what I was going to say about them being teams and . . . well, everything. I don't think the Wraith Squadron books were designed to be character-driven; the overall situation tends to be more important than the character development, the overall team's exploits the focus rather than the individuals. That being said, I see what you're saying about it being hard to grasp them out of the specific context they're each famous for - but then again, that specific context is where they can and should be found most of the time. The struggle Lara/Kirney has about her identity is SO central to her personality that you can't write her POV without dealing with that, because she spends every second of every day beating herself up over who she is. She will always be the formal Imp Intel agent struggling to make amends with the fact that she'll never be forgiven for her actions, most specifically the destruction of Talon Squadron - as she can and probably would be charged with treason, convicted, and executed for that one. Might be going off on a limb with this one, but here's an opinion: they're wraiths. They're screw-ups and they know it - because of that, it takes them a long time to be very open with each other (whether they're ever very open with anyone is debatable). Phanan and Falynn were screw-ups because they could never get past the fact that they were and move on, like the surviving Wraiths did. That's why they died. For everyone besides Face and Kell, who, as the stars of the WS books got the most development, you have to look below the surface to get at their personalities. It's really much the same idea as what Jes does with the Rogues: she sees beyond how they're usually portrayed and digs down a level. To see the Wraith personalities, she oughta do the same thing. I've always seen Tyria as the most sensitive of the bunch, almost a mother-figure by the end of Solo Command, and her tiny bit of Force sensitivity ties into that. By the way, I love how she's like a failed wanna-be Jedi, as opposed to Corran who's the former Corsec guy, ace pilot with an ego that could crew the Death Star - oh, and by the way, a Jedi! She couldn't quite make it on her own in the fighter corps, but somehow stumbled around until she found her place. Her history is something that can be touched on so much; unfortunately, it's not much in the books. Runt's entire personality is tied up in the fact that he has so many different personalities. Makes him near impossible to write the POV for - THAT would be an interesting pilot fic challenge. Also, there's no precendent for Piggy - don't know how to approach either of them. Elassar is the kid brother/mascot of the squad "family." Wedge measured their morale by how much they badgered him; his obsession with luck is a starting point with that. He's almost like an echo of Wes: convinced the ladies are madly in love with him, incredibly immature, egotistical - and incredibly insecure, perhaps, which is why all of the above comes out. His major purpose in the books is not to be his own character, but to help further define Face and Kell and to show them transition to command. It's the same thing as with Lujayne in the Rogues: her primary - arguably, only - purpose was to further shape Corran and set the stage for Inryi's arrival. Shalla - she's a mystery. Nobody knows much about her past, except that she had an unusual childhood centered around the fact that her father was an Old Republic Intel fugitive who taught his daughters everything he knew. She provides stability to the squad, in that she takes much of what happens to them in stride (maybe because that life is all she's ever known) and she remembers the lessons she's learned from her father and from experience. She's responsible and level-headed - one thing never played up is how she felt after the Saffalore assault in Solo Command, when she risked everyone's lives to kill Netbers and keep the Wraith/Hawkbat secret safe. With that, she almost belongs more with the Rogues - maybe she should switch with Inyri, haha. They've always seemed more real to me than the Rogues, for the same reasons as have been discussed before: they're anti-heroes, bumbling through life the same way I would and bantering because that's the only way to avoid the pain of what they've been through and what they have to do. The comparison was made in the books that the Rogues are the bright, shiny lightsaber of the NR military while the Wraiths would be the vibroblade used in the dark alley. Granted, if you take the Wraiths too far out of their usual context, it becomes nearly impossible to define their personalities - because their context has defined who they are. ANYTHING taken out of context usually turns out badly. Hope I made some sense. -----signature----- How? Myn/Lara one-shot, Betrayal, slight AU http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/28175766/p1/?0 Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness. - Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
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Rowan_Jade Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 2/24/05 1:52pm Subject: RE: The New DownTime - Pilot Fic Index and Discussion Thread - First Challenge Up!!
	Yup, Nanner, that was perfect! You did make a HUGE amount of sense about all of them. And Enyela, yes, Wes and Hawkeye are VERY much alike. Good analogy, shoulda thought of it myself. Mara, no, you are not dating yourself! I'm the old one, not you.... go play with your toothbrush! Silly girl! So out of all of that I smell like 13 different plot bunnies for future challenges.... anyone else get that bad feeling??? -----signature----- "If you have legs and are flamable, you are not blocking the fire exit" -Mitch Hedberg I am Evil, I am Old, I am YodaRo! Fear my snarkiness! "You're insane you know." -everyone around me Evil Old Wisdom Giver to the Maniac Mountain Clan
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