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Sith-I-5  5699 posts
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Date Posted: 9/24/05 7:34am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Hope you are better now?!

 

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20161 posts
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Date Posted: 9/24/05 1:10pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Sith-I-5 posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5, that was very good! You definitely have a feel for James T. Kirk. It felt like Classic Star Trek is your main fandom too.

Coincidentally, instead of going with the 'Calamari Evac' SW/ST excerpt, I had originally planned to make a point using the Sailor Senshu story (not read it) that I spotted on the Beyond the Saga board, and from looking at your sig, that is one of yours!



Thanks, and yeah, classic Trek is one of my favorite shows of all time.

And go right ahead and use an excerpt from 'Three New Sailor Senshi'. I consider it to be one of my best writings of all time.

 

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Diamond_Revelation  919 posts
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Date Posted: 9/25/05 2:37pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Thanks Sith-I-5 I am! Just busy with DRL now! I will try to keep index posts up and look in on discussion where I can though!

 

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Sith-I-5  5699 posts
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Date Posted: 9/26/05 4:41am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
My point with the Senshi story didn't actually involve reading it, but that a third use of the crossover is that of a crutch, where a big-time fan of one genre, eg. Sailor Senshi, has asked you to donate a story on that subject to a fiction collection, storyzine, whatever.

If you want to help, but haven't a clue what Sailor Senshi is, you can quickly Google it to get the gist - long-limbed girls in sailor gear, power gems, possibly the reincarnations of ancient goddesseses?

Now, although you don't really know what the frag is going on in this other universe apart from the basics, this is not necessarily an impediment to making a good story, for the characters you insert from Star Wars can be the equivalents of my less than stellar experiences playing pool, "sorry, don't mind us, we're just here to get our ball back" monkey .

Possible that this situation has not arisen for that many writers, but it did for me, when I was asked to contribute to a Robin of Sherwood zine.
Sorry, not my jurisdiction. Twenty-four hours later, I had a crossover knocked out.

 

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Drabbo_Fett  1764 posts
Registered: Feb '03
Date Posted: 9/26/05 5:59am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Are you talking about making a very short piece, like a crossover drabble, or about writing a longer story in which one of the properties has little more than a cameo appearance? First, in the latter case, if the characters appearing in passing are the ones who're the main subject of the zine, that may not be the wiser choice. If you were to pick up a Star Wars zine and found a Sapphire and Steel fic with just a bit of SW in it, you'd probably feel a bit cheated, especially if you have no idea who Sapphire and Steel were, wouldn't you?

Second, as I've said in the past, I don't tend to count passing references in longer fics as being enough to make it a crossover with that property. More often, it's like an in-joke, like the recurring window cameos from Batman or that scene in The 15 Years Later Affair in which George Lazenby appeared as J.B. Most people wouldn't say that his cameo turned the TV movie into a Bond film, and similarly, such small bits do not, to me, a crossover make. Otherwise, I'd really have to pad out my list of crossovers I've done.

 

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Sith-I-5  5699 posts
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Date Posted: 9/26/05 6:24am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Drabbo_Fett, the 'crossover' with Star Trek: Voyager that I quoted would come under what you are referring to, since you would qualify it as a cameo. I doubt if ST:V fans would feel cheated, since I would not promote it as being for them.

Rather than starting at the beginning of the current adventure, it - like a lot of James Bond films - starts off the back of a previous escapade which has nothing to do with the main story.

As for the 'crutch' idea in my last post, I think you are right.
I'm putting forward the concept as something that can be used if you have been asked to write something for a genre that you know nothing about.

 

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Diamond_Revelation  919 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 3:35am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Finally updated to R

 

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Sith-I-5  5699 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 8:35am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Que?

 

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Drabbo_Fett  1764 posts
Registered: Feb '03
Date Posted: 9/27/05 3:46pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
No, R. tongue The index above. One more letter, and your stories'll be added.

I'm not sure I'd include a crossover cameo in a PCS* or prologue (at least not without clear disclaimers), simply because it could give the impression that the other property's characters will play a major role. Later in the story, a cameo can look like a cameo, but at the start, given the piece-by-piece format used here, it'd appear to be a fuller crossover.

Also, given that Star Wars is harder to cross over than most properties, I've been experimenting with hybridized crossovers, either AUing other properties to fit within the GFFA or combining characters and situations.


[*pre-credit sequence, another term for a teaser]

 

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20161 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 7:42pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Ah, Drabbo, why is STar Wars harder to cross than most other properties? I've found it to be remarkably easy, myself.

 

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Drabbo_Fett  1764 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 9:09pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
It's not impossible, but it's not as easy as other properties. Most shows, movies, books, and other media are set here on Earth close to the present day. To cross The West Wing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for example, all you have to do is have characters run into each other somewhere, and there are myriad reasons why they could be in the same place. No muss, little fuss. Some difficulty may arise with properties that are removed in time, but there are often ways around that. Star Wars, though, has no time or space overlap with other properties. It's a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away. And it doesn't have any ready-made ways around that like some other SF properties do. Now if you cross it over with one of those, like Trek or Doctor Who, you can use what that property provides. Otherwise, you have to introduce some outside catalyst. Not difficult, but it's an extra step.

 

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20161 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 9:12pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Drabbo_Fett posted:
It's not impossible, but it's not as easy as other properties. Most shows, movies, books, and other media are set here on Earth close to the present day. To cross The West Wing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for example, all you have to do is have characters run into each other somewhere, and there are myriad reasons why they could be in the same place. No muss, little fuss. Some difficulty may arise with properties that are removed in time, but there are often ways around that. Star Wars, though, has no time or space overlap with other properties. It's a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away. And it doesn't have any ready-made ways around that like some other SF properties do. Now if you cross it over with one of those, like Trek or Doctor Who, you can use what that property provides. Otherwise, you have to introduce some outside catalyst. Not difficult, but it's an extra step.


Well, I always ignored the 'Long Time Ago' thing, but that's just me. wink SW also has hyperdrive, which basically rips holes into space/time. I can see a hyperdrive accident dropping, say, the Rock Dragon onto present day Earth, say around Tokyo? tongue

 

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CherryLightsaber  1310 posts
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Date Posted: 9/27/05 9:17pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
For my fanfic, I just ignored the "long time ago" part, so you're not alone, there, Striker.

The fandom I'm crossing over with SW occurs 4000 years into the future. I just put a hole caused by a solar-system sized alien in the division between galaxies and have some of the main characters sent to the SW galaxy to explore, all Lewis and Clark style.

 

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Sith-I-5  5699 posts
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Date Posted: 9/28/05 6:26am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
I'm not sure I'd include a crossover cameo in a PCS* or prologue (at least not without clear disclaimers), simply because it could give the impression that the other property's characters will play a major role.

Excellent point, Drabbo_Fett. Right under the story title, but above the crossover prologue, I did print this tongue-in-cheek warning:

This features a brief Star Trek/ Star Wars crossover. This is purely to demonstrate that the D-B agents shown herein are available for cross-reality rescue missions and children's parties. This is their story.

Good enough?

but at the start, given the piece-by-piece format used here, it'd appear to be a fuller crossover.


Well, I suppose that is a matter for stuff posted on the JCC, but since we have established that I'm new to this place, rest assured that that wasn't an issue at publication.

Otherwise, you have to introduce some outside catalyst.

Sometimes I make something up, like I had Palpatine attempt to conjure up a replacement for Darth Maul, and he ended up with The Anointed One, the nine-year-old vampire from Season Two of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Other times, if I decide to be brutally honest, or simply cannot be arsed thinking some SF mumbo-jumbo up, I'll tell the readership something like - "-got pulled through a dimensional portal by...alright, it was me." And then get on with the story.

 

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Moff_Yittreas  187 posts
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Date Posted: 9/28/05 12:09pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Yay! I'm listed! grin *feels happy now*

Hmm... I'm kicking around a few ideas for new crossovers. Any StarCraft fans here?

 

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