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Sith-I-5  5704 posts
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Date Posted: 9/29/05 2:59am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Welcome along, Moff_Yitreas!

Okay, checked your locked thread, and you asked about potential plots?

I have done several crossovers, but since hardly any of my stuff is available on the JCC, I won't give titles, only the crossover elements and concept/reasoning.

SW/ ST: Voyager - prologue only. Blockade Runner pops into their universe to rescue the Voyager crew and diss their warp drive.

SW/ Angel - Angel crosses into NJO timeline to save Chewie.

SW/ Buffy - I team up nine-year old Chosen One (Anakin) with ten-year old Anointed One (Collin) to save the galaxy.

SW/ Robin of Sherwood - That 'crutch' idea I mentioned several posts up, where I got asked to help out with a genre I'm not familiar with.

Fraggin' hell, I've done a lot of these. Never listed them before.

SW/ Dracula - Wanted to see why the Dewback Patrol on Tatooine have such big guns. Four troopers help Maria Van Helsing in the 18th Century Transylvania.

SW/ Snowball-9 - My epic 80-pager, well my idea of an epic anyway, combining SW with a computer adventure game I spent 18 months playing.

Failed or guano ideas from my youth:

Fire Minion (D&D lava pool-dwelling creature I saw on a poster at a mate's house);
Lord of the Rings - aerial assault on Sauron's fortress. Probably a rescue; anything goes if someone needs saving.

QUERY. If you bring a concept into the Star Wars universe, but no characters, eg. running a CSI team on Coruscant; does that qualify as a crossover?

 

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lazykbys_left  1643 posts
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Date Posted: 9/29/05 5:14am Subject: RE:Crossover Index and Discussion [transplanting a "concept" isn't enough to make a Xover]
Sith-I-5: If you bring a concept into the Star Wars universe, but no characters, eg. running a CSI team on Coruscant; does that qualify as a crossover?

Unless the concept wouldn't usually exist in the GFFA, I would say no. In your example, a CSI team (this stands for Crime Scene Investigation, right?) on Coruscant would just be a Coruscanti forensics team.

But if a mathematician predicted the fall of the New Republic and was sent into exile on a way-out-beyond-the-boondocks Outer Rim world to start compiling an encyclopedia, then . . . maybe.

Of course, this is just my take on the subject.

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Drabbo_Fett  1764 posts
Registered: Feb '03
Date Posted: 9/29/05 5:30am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion - Date Edited: 9/29/05 5:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Drabbo_Fett
QUERY. If you bring a concept into the Star Wars universe, but no characters, eg. running a CSI team on Coruscant; does that qualify as a crossover?

A concept like that, no. CSI and its spinoffs are based on actual law enforcement entities, so that concept isn't at all unique to the fictional CSIverse. Most major cities have something of the kind, so it'd be perfectly logical that Coruscant would, too. Now if Leia were found and told she's the Vampire Slayer, the one girl in all the galaxy who can stand up to the forces of darkness, and Bail were revealed to be her Watcher, then you can make a claim. [If you change "vampire" to "Sith," though, it wouldn't be a crossover but a parody.]

The key is that what crosses over from a fictional reality must be something created for that reality. A fictional concept or location or species can, if it marks out the fictional reality as not fictional within the story. If it's an element that exists in the real world and the fictional reality, then there must be something within the story (not just an author's note) that shows that it's the fictional version appearing. For example, let's say you're writing a story about the Ghostbusters in the White House. At that point, you can't call it a crossover, since there's no indication that it's the Batlett White House (or the Allen, Mitchell, Shepherd, Whitmore, Luthor, Tresch, or Mansfield White House, to name a few) instead of the Reagan, Bush, Clinton, or Bush version.

EDIT: Ah, Lazybks got in ahead of me, but I'll leave all that up anyway. SI5, you can see the things I've crossed over with Star Wars above. I've also done a lot of non-SW fanfic and crossovers, but this isn't the place for all that.

 

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Moff_Yittreas  187 posts
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Date Posted: 9/29/05 1:48pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Hmm. I had an ST fic a while back. I could probably continue it, but that would be one hell of a bump. I was thinking along the lines of StarCraft and SW, or maybe Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars. Or, maybe what would happen if the Empire launched a ship towards our Galaxy, and it arrived around now.

Gah, too many ideas. Please help me pick one.

 

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Sith-I-5  5704 posts
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Date Posted: 9/30/05 2:57am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
if the Empire launched a ship towards our Galaxy, and it arrived around now.

Well, we'd be fragged. The Lando Calrissian trilogy had an Earth-type planet called Renatasia that got visited and completely fragged over by an ISD in such a one-sided manner that I see no creative drama to be had.

I'm not familiar with StarCraft, so cannot say anything about it.

The SW/Galactica one sounds the most likely one to go with, if you purely want to choose based on genre vs genre.

However, most of my crossovers were started because something was bothering me, and I wanted it resolved, eg. getting the USS Voyager crew home at bit faster than the 75 years they were mooting, rather than as a sort of interdimensional football match.

Also, if you are new to crossovers, choose something that can be resolved in a day or so. You bring a Star Destroyer to Earth, and you are talking bombardment, invasion, pacifying the native population, a whole can of worms.

What was the Star Wars/ Star Trek one?

Mm. Just had what you peeps refer to as a 'plot bunny'. Russian Roulette for Borg. A borg cube faced with six trans-warp conduits, five going to some safe region of space, perhaps in need of assimilation; and one going to the second Death Star.
You could go with that?

 

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Diamond_Revelation  919 posts
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Date Posted: 11/8/05 1:19am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
New story added!

 

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Sith-I-5  5704 posts
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Date Posted: 11/8/05 12:14pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Where?

 

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Diamond_Revelation  919 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 3:02am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
They are all under letters that I have gotten to already! I am trying to get round to the other letters but I have been really busy with uni work! Hopefully my weekends will be more my own now!

Anyway three more new stories added! Two under B by BrentusofGath and one under E by EmilieDarklighter .

 

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skywalker64089  798 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:41pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion - Date Edited: 11/13/05 4:42pm (1 edits total) Edited By: skywalker64089
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
Drabbo_Fett posted:
It's not impossible, but it's not as easy as other properties. Most shows, movies, books, and other media are set here on Earth close to the present day. To cross The West Wing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for example, all you have to do is have characters run into each other somewhere, and there are myriad reasons why they could be in the same place. No muss, little fuss. Some difficulty may arise with properties that are removed in time, but there are often ways around that. Star Wars, though, has no time or space overlap with other properties. It's a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away. And it doesn't have any ready-made ways around that like some other SF properties do. Now if you cross it over with one of those, like Trek or Doctor Who, you can use what that property provides. Otherwise, you have to introduce some outside catalyst. Not difficult, but it's an extra step.


Well, I always ignored the 'Long Time Ago' thing, but that's just me. wink SW also has hyperdrive, which basically rips holes into space/time. I can see a hyperdrive accident dropping, say, the Rock Dragon onto present day Earth, say around Tokyo? tongue


thinking That hasn't been done before at all, now has it? wink

And masterfully done, I might say.

I'm actually trying to cross high-tech futuristic earth (not ST) with NJO SW. I haven't gotten to the actual cross part of it yet, but I've already detected several things that I'm going to have to deal with. Not the least of which is that the universe I'm crossing with does NOT have the reactionless drive. It uses projected gravitonic plates sandwiching the ship causing forward motion. This should prove to be an interesting ride.

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20169 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 4:52pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
skywalker64089 posted:
RK_Striker_JK_5 posted:
Drabbo_Fett posted:
It's not impossible, but it's not as easy as other properties. Most shows, movies, books, and other media are set here on Earth close to the present day. To cross The West Wing with Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for example, all you have to do is have characters run into each other somewhere, and there are myriad reasons why they could be in the same place. No muss, little fuss. Some difficulty may arise with properties that are removed in time, but there are often ways around that. Star Wars, though, has no time or space overlap with other properties. It's a long time ago and in a galaxy far, far away. And it doesn't have any ready-made ways around that like some other SF properties do. Now if you cross it over with one of those, like Trek or Doctor Who, you can use what that property provides. Otherwise, you have to introduce some outside catalyst. Not difficult, but it's an extra step.


Well, I always ignored the 'Long Time Ago' thing, but that's just me. wink SW also has hyperdrive, which basically rips holes into space/time. I can see a hyperdrive accident dropping, say, the Rock Dragon onto present day Earth, say around Tokyo? tongue


thinking That hasn't been done before at all, now has it? wink

And masterfully done, I might say.

I'm actually trying to cross high-tech futuristic earth (not ST) with NJO SW. I haven't gotten to the actual cross part of it yet, but I've already detected several things that I'm going to have to deal with. Not the least of which is that the universe I'm crossing with does NOT have the reactionless drive. It uses projected gravitonic plates sandwiching the ship causing forward motion. This should prove to be an interesting ride.

S.


Heh. Thank you for that, dude. I tried to write it well.

And that sounds quite interesting, too. Good luck with that.

 

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_JM_  1806 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:33pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
projected gravitonic plates sandwiching the ship causing forward motion? Sounds like the Impeller drive used on ships in the Honor Harrington novels. Crossing SW and the Honorverse could be tricky as despite the quote they keep using on the back of the books of “SW as it might have been written by C.S. Forester” (which is wrong since C.S. Forester and David Weber write quite differently) they are so different. Good luck if that is what you are doing.

(And if that is not what you are doing then good luck anyway tongue )

Crossing something over with Star Wars can be tempting a lot of the time, sometimes just so you can drop a Star Destroyer on some annoying set of “bad guys” but sometimes because you have an idea about how Star Wars and the other thing can cast fresh light on each other. I think that unless it is a vignette or a drabble that you do need more of an idea than “wouldn’t it be nifty if…” (or the classic “Universe versus Universe Deathmatch!”) to keep the story going.

A good example is RK_Striker_JK_5’s Decepticus Rex which has the “cool” factor of having Transformers fighting the Yuuzhan Vong made cooler by trying to figure out how the Transformers look with their SW alternate forms and how they would transform. It has the “smash annoying bad guys” factor with the Transformers having little trouble reducing Yuuzhan Vong to component molecules. Finally it has the “cast fresh light” factor since the Jedi can feel that the Transformers truly are alive and so not only is this challenging the Jedi preconception that Robots are not alive and not part of the Force but would make them the ultimate blasphemous abomination to the Yuuzhan Vong.

Another idea, which in some ways is similar, would be to cross new-Battlestar Galactica with Star Wars. The new-Cylons would be in some ways the opposite of the Yuuzhan Vong as rather than wanting to destroy machines they might want to free them and let the droids achieve their potential. How effective the Cylons would be in subverting SW technology would be debatable, the fact SW ships are decentralised into droids rather than having centralised computers might be similar to how the Galactica has separate computers and deliberately low tech. On the other hand droids do all receive instructions from the main computer at regular intervals so the subversion could spread.

One way to create the “cast fresh light” factors might be to have this be Rebellion era and have the Empire have problems. Their droids undergo memory wipes at regular intervals and so do not develop significant personalities beyond their default programming. This could make them more vulnerable and so the Cylons might be able to subvert Imperial ships both because the droids have less resistance and because if they all have the same personality then learning how to subvert one would teach how to subvert all those of that type.

On the other hand the Rebels are less inclined towards memory wipes and although it is rare for droids to reach the level of eccentricity of Artoo and Threepio they would be closer to that than to the Imperial standard. Cylons try to subvert Artoo, he’d just make a very rude noise at them. happy

So you would have the “cool” factor of Star Destroyer versus Base Star and X-Wings in formation with Colonial Vipers, the “smash annoying bad guys” factor of when the Base Star runs into Home One and finds the subversion attempt unsuccessful, and a “cast fresh light” factor of whether the Cylons are alive and the morality of memory wiping droids. Could also be some nice debates as trainee-Jedi Skywalker tries to argue that the Cylons are alive (if they are) and the Colonials argue they aren’t, and so it is okay to torture them and throw them out airlocks…and the Imperials agree that torture and spacing non-humans is a perfectly laudable course of action. tongue

So to sum up, since I seem to have suffered from typing diarrhoea (a similar malady to verbal) with the SW-(new)BG idea, I think you need the “cast fresh light” factor as well as the “cool” factor for a good crossover. You also need to make the interaction believable as if personalities or the balance of strength is slanted towards the author’s preconceptions (usually towards SW) then fans of the universe being mutated would stop reading.

What do other people think? Opinions on what makes a good crossover and what makes a bad one?

 

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ShrunkenJedi  6421 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:05pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
I think you're right, thinking about how one fandom can shed light on another apart from the cool factor is really crucial... when I was doing my Bladerunner/SW crossover, I really wanted to explore clones/androids/etc and how they were perceived, so I turned Coruscant into a partly Bladerunnerish place and enmeshed Deckard up in SW politics...

 

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RK_Striker_JK_5  20169 posts
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 7:11pm Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Most crossovers have been somewhat 'played out', for lack of a better term. The really good ones I remember do have a 'neat!' factor going on for them.

And _JM_? Thanks for the kind words about Decepticus Rex.

 

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Diamond_Revelation  919 posts
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Date Posted: 11/24/05 5:13am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion - Date Edited: 11/24/05 5:14am (1 edits total) Edited By: Diamond_Revelation
Ok a new story added by VaderLVR64

I will only be adding stories that have been emailed to me until December 11th as I am really busy with work.

I will then spend some time getting all the archived stories I know about put up.

 

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SilSolo  8828 posts
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Date Posted: 12/21/05 9:15am Subject: RE: Crossover Index and Discussion
Upping with plot bunnies for adoption:

What if the Ranma gang got landed in YJK land and got the YJKs into their huge, complicated mess? What if the YJK's somehow end up in China, fall into the cursed waters of Jusenkyo, and begin to turn into animals?

And here's a Heralds of Valdemar/SW crossover bunny:

When Prince Kris and his twin sister, Princess Lyra were about twenty, Talia, the Queen's Own Herald, died, so Rolan had to choose another to replace her. He chose Kris, so Lyra became the heir. One day, when they try to Gate somewhere, the two accidentally exited in teh SW universe, preferably sometime after Legacy and end up realizing that the Force is what they call magic in their land. They traded knowledge with teh Jedi and in the meantime, the people of Valdemar, especially their older half-sister, Elspeth, got worried sick (and you really don't want to worry Elspeth) about the two because Queen Selenay was dying and they needed both teh Queen's Own Herald and the Heir. Kris, Lyra, and the Jedi ended up fighting Sith in the GFFA and then, somehow, they all went back to their homes to fend off some enemy there.

BTW, if you want to see Canon x-overs, check out the StarTrek section of teh local bookstores 'cuz they got a book about X-men teaming up with StarTrek people.

 

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