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The Enigmatic and Mysterious Count Dooku - Challenges posted 11/06/07 - any takers?
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hyperspace_police
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11/20/06 2:44pm
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RE: The Enigmatic and Mysterious Count Dooku a.k.a. Darth Tyranus Deliberation Thread
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So, Kynstar is corrupting people to the Dooku cause.
So....Here's my new Dooku question for discussion.
If Anaking hadn't cut off his head when Palpy said "Do it..." Would Dooku have realized that he had made a mistake becoming Palpy's apprentice and gone back to the light side with Kenobi and Skywalker and helped defeat Palpaitne?
Let the discussions begin...
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kecen
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11/21/06 3:38pm
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RE: The Enigmatic and Mysterious Count Dooku a.k.a. Darth Tyranus Deliberation Thread
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Most probably, betrayal is a hard thing to accept. But I think Dooku would still dislike certain aspects of the Republic.
...as for Dooku's relationships with other characters, my thought line keeps coming back to Grievous 
I mean, that scene in Obsession where Dooku finds Grievous all beaten up.
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ardavenport
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11/21/06 3:43pm
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No.
I don't think that Dooku would have gone back to the light side if Anakin hadn't killed him. I don't think a Sith apprentice goes back to the light side just because things don't work out with the master. (It's so odd to think of Dooku as just an apprentice, but he had to be.)
If Dooku had gotten away somehow, I don't think he would have lost the hate and anger that fuels the dark side, which I think is necessary for going over to the light side. Dooku would have just felt really betrayed by Palpatine and he would have started out trying to undermine him as soon as possible. Even without his hands, Dooku wouldn't give up on revenge. To go to the light side, Dooku would have to see the value in not taking revenge.
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Kynstar
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6/8/07 1:22pm
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Stupid me for not knowing how to unlock a locked thread 
Thanks so much MamaVader for cluing me in on how! 
And because of my lack of 'vision' (well intelligence on this matter) Mr. Christopher Lee's Lifeday has come and gone. Back on May 25 (yes believe it or not I was gonna do the ole happy lifeday bit...but the thread was locked and juz didn't think to ask a mod or anybody else for help...was sorta at C4 hehehe) Mr. Lee celebrated his 85th b'day if I'm not mistaken.
So here's a belated Lifeday wish! I so hope he was able to spend it with his family and had fun!!
   Thanks so much for all your acting portrayals and allowing some time for the land of Star Wars! I truly hope the future b'days will be enjoyable as the past ones have!  
And of course forgive a lady for a passion for one of the characters 
I've also enjoyed many of the other movies he's starred in and have copies of them as well (as if I wouldn't? 
Once again, a happy belated b'day to Christopher Lee who played the mysterious ex-Jedi Count Dooku of Serenno and leader of the Separatists also Sith Apprentice in Ep II and III.
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6/8/07 2:58pm
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Firstly, I also have to wish Mr Christopher Lee a belated Happy Life Day too! Because he's just awesome in general~
And secondly, I must say yay that this thread is back! I saw it but it wasn't active (in the slightest. XD) so I couldn't join in, though I wanted to. So hurray it's back!
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6/9/07 2:21pm
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I was watching Christopher Lee last night in some of his old movies.
What an illustrious career he has had, and he made the role of Dooku something special.
Sometimes I just wish he could/would have seen through Palpatine and just walked away.
Would he have rethought things? I don't know. Surely Anakin must have seen through a few of Palpatine's lies to him, but still he kept going.
Evil is a tough path, because once you are on it, backing up and restarting, and remaking damaged relatioships is so hard. It took Anakin a precious gift of his son to even be able to try it.
I wonder if Dooku would have something that important to him to make him rethink.
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6/10/07 8:25am
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I think just the fact of what Palpatine did would be enough to make him realize he'd taken the wrong path. (Unless he really is Stover's crazy Dooku). The Dook was a highly principled Jedi for more years than Palpy was even alive. How can you just forget all that? Especially when the path you've taken to try to rectify things has turned out to be spectacularly the wrong answer?
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6/10/07 9:23am
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You silly woman...
I told you to pm somebody... thats Kynstar for you... never wanting to pester people...
Oh well.
Happy Belated Life Day oh ye portrayer of the Enigmatic and Mysterious Count Dooku (aka Darth Tyranus...)
We should have gone to opening ceremonies and had cake...
You live and learn. Nice to see this thread dug up from the vast reaches of the Nether-board.
So, Kyn... You could start up a new line of Dooku goodness and discussion...???
How old was Dooku in RotS when he was cut off from his future life days??
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6/10/07 10:17am
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I always assume that Dooku was in his 80's, more or less the same age as Lee. Qui-Gon's age is also used to date Dooku since he's supposed to have been Dooku's first padawan.
I think that Dooku was lured away from the light side with the promise of an 'ordered' Sith rule. The Old Republic certainly had gotten corrupt and Palpatine really knew how to get at people.
If Qui-Gon had survived I wonder if he would have been able to redeem Dooku? But the Jedi did not think in terms of redemption for Sith. It took someone completely out-of-the-box like Luke to come up with that.
One of my favorite Christopher Lee bits is in the LOTR DVD extras, when he recites the inscription on the Ring of Power. In Elvish. What a guy. If he'd only been younger, he might have been a terrific Gandalf, but the technology wouldn't have allowed them to do those movies any sooner.
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In refrence to Hyperspace's question; No. Dooku would always have his own greedy agenda to fulfill and was already to far gone down the path of the Dark Side to sudenly "see the light." Besides, I think it's cooler that way. He would seem to wus out if he just decided to turn good.
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It's very funny ... people react to this issue as if some lightswitch goes on or off and -- *blink* -- the person is either good or bad.
In actuality, it's a very long, hard process. Deciding one has made mistakes and being able to admit that to oneself is just a first step. I see any truly redeemed Sith on a long, steep learning curve after that.
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Kynstar
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6/11/07 6:46am
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Welcome new faces! (well names  ) Do join in or bring up any ideas/questions!
(Yeah I didn’t wanna pester folks on CIV days  I know crazy of me to not have!)
I agree with LLL it is a long, slow process either way. Unless you juz go off the deep end for revenge and give your heart truly to the Dark side. Though it would take time to learn everything Sithly so to speak (as Vader learns over a 20 yr timeframe I’m sure). Sith Masters don’t teach everything to their students, cuz then they (the students) would take out the Masters. (except for Dooku though…I took that message that he told Asajj in Dark Rendezvous to heart. He stated he was too old to become the ‘Master’ and I think he might’ve been actually telling her the truth when she was harassing him about trying to make her his apprentice so they could off Sidious - but Dooku was correct though, once her revenge trip was done what was gonna be left for her to ‘hate/rage’ on?)
As for anybody who might've stood a chance to bring the Count back (for those who thought the possibility might've been there) Qui would have tried, I do believe. Though Dooku might not have turned back, I see Qui like Luke in this matter of attempting to bring back the guy from the Dark. And with Yoda's help it might have been possible, but the only aspect that would stand in the way of Dooku turning back would be the corruption of the Republic. It was still there. I think that would have stopped him from turning back if there was an attempt like in Dark Rendezvous. In my humble opinion, Yoda almost had him. But Palpy knew what buttons to push by sending Obi and Ani to 'help' Yoda. Yeah, help Yoda indeed! Hmf!
But if Yoda had brought Dooku back... the reason why the Count left in the first place (besides Qui's death - even Yoda believed that had a play...I think that was mentioned in Labyrinth of Evil) was the corruption of the Senate/Republic. The man was tired of fighting for a corrupted nation (so to speak). He figured if he couldn't do it as a Jedi perhaps he could on the outside the Order (he had money galore; which Palps also utilized thru Dooku). Shoot Dooku prob (even w/o Palp's thoughts/orders) would have founded/raised an army of his own in attempt to 'bring' order to the chaos of the Republic. To 'rebuild' it as it should have been like in the olden days. It juz so happened that Palps was in charge and Dooku prob thought he could skirt both the Light and Dark (like Vergere stated to Jacen Solo in the NJO books) and utilized both sides to bring order. Unfortunately Dooku had always 'lusted' for more power, always strived to be the best so his 'thoughts/wants' on skirting both ways couldn't work for him. He did not have the right mindset and eventually succumbed to the darkness. Well that's always been my humble opinion and it appears that thru differ novels it is coming out as such. Sad story indeed. (which is also why I think he never went fully Sith cuz he still had that slight notion in his mind (henceforth never the eyes bit with Dooku - then again it could have been juz Mr. Lee not wanting to wear the contacts but than again...who truly knows, eh? In my humble opinion I think he never fully truly gave in all the way, juz about and if he'd stayed alive longer he might've fully succumbed, but we'll never know now, eh?)
As for the age bit, yep he was around the same age as the actor for Ep III And I so agree! He rocked in his younger days and even in his days of now (specially in LotR movies! I so also enjoyed the extas! Thanks so much Mr. Jackson for allowing all that extra stuff to be done and added into the films/dvds!
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Wow 85 and look at him still making movies. Happy belated birthday Count Dooku!!
I have to agree that Qui-Gon wouldhave tried to bring him back.
I always wondered how much Dooku thought he might be able to wrestle power from Sidious and try things in a slightly different, less harsh way to 'save' the galaxy?
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My bad, LLL. I honestly did not stop to give it any serious thought, in terms of the human psychology behind a hypothetical question posed about an already fictional charcter. I guess I was just thinking in more broad sweeping achetypal themes of good vs evil, and how I see Dooku fitting into the Achetypal formula.
If I sound like a smart ass, I apologize. (Insomnia is my excuse). The simple fact is that I have never thrown myself all together into the extended universe ("What did he say?!?") I've read a few of the EU books, and have liked them, but when I think of "what if" questions like the one posed by Hyperspace, I tend to think of them in terms of a 2 hour movie, and how they would be resolved within those confines.
I did enjoy the idea put out there by Kynstar of Qui Gon and/or Yoda taking it on themselves to bring Dooku back. I think you should run with that, Kynstar.
Long story short, I need to get back into reading the EU books.
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