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ardavenport
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Glad your little one doing so well and that you enjoyed the round-robin, Kyn. It was fun to write. 
Aaaaaah, I have speculated about non-Sith Dooku and especially redeemed Dooku, but it all has to wait while I move to another apartment. Ugh, tomorrow I have to move the desk that the computer is on, so it can be taken away. I'll be opting for a smaller desk and another bookcase.
But for the challenge.... no Ani? No kill? What about killing Ani?
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Persephone_Kore
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11/14/07 5:59pm
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Seems to me killing Anakin off would actually give him more of a role in the story than he'd otherwise need.... At the very least it would put him rather heavily on Obi-Wan's mind (unless you killed him off too), and having Dooku interact with Obi-Wan would be a shame to pass up. It'd probably have a strong effect on the galactic press, too, and while I'd be tempted not to get too far into the public relations and political aspects of Dooku's return myself, I think it would be out of character for Dooku not to be concerned about them.
I've written Dooku redeemed and Dooku unfallen, and I'll probably write and post more of both, but I doubt any of it will quite fit the challenge stipulations.
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hyperspace_police
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OK. An UPDATE of sorts:
With the holiday season behind us... On to the Dooku challenge... (Bumping in case anybody forgot about it)
The Internet police have once again struck Kynstar's place of employment and her hubbie still hasn't gotten her an internet
connection at their new place...Which is really cool, by the way... I need to post a pic... Anyway, so she hasn't got access.
And I apologize to everyone contributing to the Round Robin...In my Padawan stupidity (it's why I've got Kynstar for a Master anyways...) I thought the round robin bit was what was getting posted on her "Kynstar's in the hospital thread" So, I was calling her up and reading her the well wishes... Oops. And dang it....that was a great story. But, at least now I know what a Round Robin is....
Anyway... I thought I'd pop in and ask another question as it pertains to a joint story that Kyn and I are fixing to begin...
We're going to rewrite the end of Episode II but in this version, Obi decides to hear Dooku out and together they are going
to defeat Palpy (or something like that)
Do you guys think that Dooku was sincere in seeking out Obi-Wan's help? Was he having a change of heart about the whole Sith thing? Did he want to change? Or do you think he just wanted Obi-Wan out of the way?
I'm not going to give away the direction we're going to go with this one... But, just wanted a bit of fandom insight.
Thanks
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LLL
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*falls over laughing*
No big deal.
You know, I've never been able to figure out that Dooku convo. It really isn't obvious WHAT he was doing. But then, if you believe Dark_Rendezvous ... but then, DR wasn't even conceived of when GL wrote the script, and he doesn't care about the EU anyway.
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ardavenport
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hyperspace_police posted:
We're going to rewrite the end of Episode II but in this version, Obi decides to hear Dooku out and together they are going
to defeat Palpy (or something like that)
Do you guys think that Dooku was sincere in seeking out Obi-Wan's help? Was he having a change of heart about the whole Sith thing? Did he want to change? Or do you think he just wanted Obi-Wan out of the way?
Noooooooooooo! Nononononononononono, Obi-Wan, don't listen! He's a SITH!
OK, maybe I'm over-reacting, but I really think that Dooku had committed himself to the Sith in ATOC and he's not the kind of guy to switch in the middle.
Did Dooku want Obi-Wan to work with him? Yes. But I'm sure he would want Obi-Wan to explore that 'larger view' that Palpatine talked about. I think that Dooku would have recruited Obi-Wan (and Anakin) to overthrow Palpatine. Sith Do that. IMO, Dooku wanted to re-make the Republic into something more honorable and the Jedi Order, too. And he had decided that it could be done aggressively and ruthlessly.
I don't think that Dooku had a clue about Order 66. I don't think he would have signed up with Palpatine if he'd known about that. He wanted the Jedi Order for himself. Perhaps he would have put himself in charge as a Grand Master of sorts? Possibly.
Dooku was smart and skilled, but Palpatine was better and Dooku never knew how out-matched he was with Darth Sidious.
Oh, and the round-robin was lots of fun.
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Persephone_Kore
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Personally, I think Dooku's purpose was to be disbelieved. He told Obi-Wan an important piece of truth--that there was a Sith in control of the Senate--couched in a context of distrust. This probably served to help protect Palpatine.
However, it's useful to have more than one acceptable outcome, and I don't think Dooku would have had any objections to successfully recruiting Obi-Wan. I don't think the possibility of ambivalence on Dooku's part should be dismissed too easily, but I don't think he had actual plans to revert at that point, either.
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Or maybe Dooku can be redeemed by Jocasta Nu. She is an admirer of him as seen in AOTC and I am writing her like that: admiring Dooku and disliking Jinn and Kenobi and my healers.
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That's an interesting choice. It's entirely possible Jocasta didn't like Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan (she didn't seem to mind talking to Obi-Wan, though, even if she was a bit overconfident in the Archive itself), but as Dooku seems to have placed some value on both, I would imagine that as a possible source of arguments.
I suppose they would have had more opportunity to talk about it back when Dooku was a Jedi, but I suppose for her to be involved in his redemption they'd have to encounter one another when he was a Sith. Heh. It would be amusing if his road back started with defending Jinn and Kenobi from another Jedi's objections... on the other hand, I'm not sure how plausible it would be, considering part of his disillusionment and resentment was supposed to be based on thinking the Council had done poorly by Qui-Gon in the first place.
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That'd be a tough stretch, having Jo Nu help redeem the Dook somehow. He's in such good shape in AOTC and she's such an antique.
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Persephone_Kore
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LLL posted:
That'd be a tough stretch, having Jo Nu help redeem the Dook somehow. He's in such good shape in AOTC and she's such an antique.
*blink* I don't quite follow your evaluation.
They are supposed to be contemporaries, I believe, though it does seem Dooku spent much more of his career on the physical side of things. Jocasta apparently did a stint in the Exploration Corps shortly after she was Knighted, but seems to have spent most of the rest of her time at the Temple.
(On the other hand, she is a Jedi. I wouldn't count her out as fossilized too quickly.)
I suppose if you take that as indication of their differing priorities, even as Jedi, it could indicate that any friendship had loosened its connections, that they'd grown apart. Of course, Dooku turning to the Sith is kind of the ultimate sign of that anyway, and we were talking about getting past that. 
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ardavenport
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I sort of feel like Dooku has so little about his said in the movies that it's easy to consider alternate paths for him.
I like the idea of Qui-Gon redeeming Dooku, if he were to survive the first movie. And Anakin could take out Palpatine. To me, Jocasta Nu is as possible as Yoda would be at bringing Dooku from the dark side. There really isn't much information about their relationships one way or another. So, there is lots of room for speculation.
But I notice that Dooku did not try to convert Yoda to the dark side. I guess that would be an impossibility. And I like to think that Obi-Wan would be just as impossible recruit for Dooku as well. In the ROTS novelization, Dooku really did want to turn Obi-Wan to the dark side and he considered Anakin to not be worth bothering with.
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I guess what I'm thinking is, if a lot of swashbuckling were involved, I don't see Jo Nu as looking very well up to it. She just looks so old and frail compared to the way Dooku handled a swordfight with Yoda in AOTC. If a plot could deal credibly with that, it might work.
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I'd say neither Yoda nor for that matter Dooku precisely looks like he's going to be all that athletic before the fights start. *grin* Yoda especially. At least Jocasta's not tapping around the Archive on a cane. (In all fairness, however, nobody's telling Anakin that if he'd practice more, he'd be as good a swordsman as Master Nu.)
But I don't think it would necessarily come down to swordplay in the same ways. If it did... well, if it did in the way of Dark Rendezvous, where they fought only after words went to pieces, then I suppose Jocasta would lose--barring excellent use of surrounding and circumstance, perhaps. I might have to write her as a duelist sometime now, just for the heck of it, but there's no indication that she's the expert Dooku is supposed to be. But one side of Dooku's expertise, compatible with the movies and, I believe, claimed more explicitly in both novelizations and other areas of the EU, is that he is both able and willing to play games, to extend a duel unnecessarily and then prove that he could finish it quickly.
If he's at all willing to talk and listen to her, even if he has no intention of being persuaded of anything, then either they won't fight, or the fight can plausibly go on as long as the conversation requires. Especially if she's not pushing to finish it either.
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I think that if Obi-Wan hadn't overhead Dooku plotting with the Separatists, Dooku would have been in a much much better spot to turn him.
On another note, I just picked up the New Essential Guide to the Force, and it has a really surprising amount of Dooku stuff, much of it new and good. More on Dooku than on Qui-Gon, even.
We've got a lecture on telekinesis by Dooku in which he tells a story from his childhood about Yoda, indications Dooku was a highly regarded lightsaber instructor in the Temple, Dooku mentioning his parents were proud he'd been conscripted into the order, Dooku's public announcement on leaving the Order, an excerpt from a Dooku protest to the Council, an explicit Sidious opinion of Dooku in retrospect..."old scoundrel", and a record by Tyranus of some of his motivations for becoming a Sith, including a retelling of Mace and Yoda's reaction to his leaving the Order and a mention that he refused a seat on the Jedi Council.
I'm favorably impressed. There's also a great deal of other stuff.
Also, it has a picture of Dooku juggling chairs.
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sabarte posted:
I think that if Obi-Wan hadn't overhead Dooku plotting with the Separatists, Dooku would have been in a much much better spot to turn him.
This is also a fair point.
And the chair-juggling picture is all kinds of fun. I like to picture him telling the accompanying story while juggling the chairs, but I'm not sure the depicted expressions of the onlookers quite suit that interpretation....
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