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ardavenport
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I must admit that I was a bit annoyed that there wasn't more about Qui-Gon, so I put the extra Dooku material aside. And a page popped out of the copy I got the first day I got it. Very annoying.
There is a bit more Dooku material and it's not bad. I like the first person accounts of various persons in the book. I don't know enough about the EU to tell how much is original and how much is cited from other EU books, but the first person accounts look original. I think Dooku got more attention because he did become a Sith and that bad guy history is more intriguing.
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ardavenport
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It just occurred to me that with this new Clone Wars cartoon, we're going to get more Dooku. At least he's in the trailer. It probably won't be a lot of Dooku, but some.
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*shudders*
After the mess Stover made of him, I tremble to think what else they might come up with.
I hope these writers have all read DR!
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ardavenport
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Aaaaaaah, I haven't read DR, so I'm not up on that EU characterization. So, the Clone Wars movie might not be much of a well of Dooku. Chances are he won't be in it a lot anyway, but who knows? He was fine in the Cartoon Network Clones Wars, though he was just doing Sith stuff in that.
Out of curiosity, what are the good Dooku books or comics outside of the movies?
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Forgive my being distracted by your phrasing, but I'm now sort of enchanted by the idea of Dooku books or comics inside the movies, or at least inside the universe. 
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous by Sean Stewart is excellent, though I feel I should point out that in some respects LLL and I interpret it very differently. I'll also note that I think he does his best work in the book with Dooku, Yoda, many of his own assorted OCs, and Whie (who is a very small bit part in RotS). Qui-Gon is very good, but for possibly obvious reasons he doesn't show up much. Palpatine is very... Palpatiney. (I measure this in part by the overwhelming urge to strangle him whenever he opens his mouth, but it's not the only criterion.) Obi-Wan and Anakin are pretty good, but they're not quite as well done as the more central characters. I'm not crazy about the depiction of Padmé, as I get the impression that Stewart felt obligated to include her but couldn't think of a way to work her into the plot. On the other hand, Yoda kindasorta plays her role in one spot, in my opinion, but I'll let that lie for now. Anyway, the Dooku in that book is fantastic; interesting, sometimes sympathetic, but at appropriate points we are also reminded that he's a Sith and he is really freaking scary.
I have not actually gotten hold of these myself, but I gather that Jango Fett: Open Seasons and Jedi: Dooku (which actually takes place while he's a Sith) are also quite good. Sabarte could give more information.
Labyrinth of Evil has some good pieces, but I think I wandered off and didn't finish it; should probably go back and do that when I'm in a more attentive mood. One interesting point is that at least some people can make a decent case that Dooku is undergoing a progressive mental breakdown, moving from the period of Y:DR through LoE to RotS.
A lot of the Dooku material in Jedi vs. Sith is really neat; some of it is drawn from other sources, yes, but the author there does some really neat work in general with voice and POV, and there's original stuff in there too.
You might enjoy Legacy of the Jedi as well, since you like Watson. Personally, I like a lot of the concepts, but her writing style strikes me as distinctly condescending, as if she isn't used to writing for kids without talking down to them. I also don't think the summary she has Yoda give of the first section (when Dooku's thirteen) really makes a lot of sense; certainly it's reasonable to address what Dooku did wrong in the situation, but pride tends to be a level or two back
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Persephone_Kore
Your post made me run out and buy Dark Rendezvous - well it is coming book rate anyway. I will let you know what I think.
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Persephone_Kore posted:
Forgive my being distracted by your phrasing, but I'm now sort of enchanted by the idea of Dooku books or comics inside the movies, or at least inside the universe.
Hmmmmmm, I wasn't really thinking of it that way, but sounds nice.
Thanks for the reviews! I've read Legacy of the Jedi. I liked it but I thought that Dooku was depicted as being too ambitious, too conveniently easy to go to the dark side, though other characteristics were OK. I'll have to look up some of the others.
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We're going to get at least another Anakin/Dooku duel in the new Clone Wars movie, and since it's a series, I suspect he'll show up quite a bit. He made a couple of major appearances in the shorts series, and this one will have much longer episodes and the heroes can't very well fight Sids at this stage. The character design for him baffles, though, and still no word on the voice actor.
I, uh, like Labyrinth of Evil, but it may be a bit dense for some people's taste. It's aimed toward the continuity-obsessive, but has interesting Dooku bits. Most Dooku snippets in the EU are unfortunately pretty short. I don't think he ever gets a main story entirely to himself, and strong secondary is about the best he can get.
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Jedi: Dooku???
*blinks*
What's that?
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A double issue that was part of the Republic comic series. It lets Dooku be a little bit more of an alpha villain than he usually is. Mostly about Quinlan Vos, though.
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ardavenport
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Hmmmmm, someone posted a clip of The Clone Wars cartoon on youtube from SW Weekends (Disney might have already found it and killed it by now) and it was all battles and droids and Anakin and his new sidekick. I hope that there will be some decent Dooku in it. But I suppose for now they'll be selling the action.
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I have a question that has to do with a crossover fic I'm writing featuring Dooku when he first finds out Qui-gon was killed. Does anyone know where he was when it happened (I don't have the novelization of TPM), and just how dark is he at this time. I know from what I read on Wookieepedia that he'd been considering that one could delve into the dark side without being corrupted by it, and that he was disillusioned even before this with the Jedi Council and the jedi's role in the Republic.
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ardavenport
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I don't know where Dooku was when he found out that Qui-Gon was killed. I don't think it would be in the TPM novelization since the character was not introduced until AOTC.
The Order for the Clones with Kamino was placed by Sypho Dias (sp?) presumably Dooku, since Tyranus (who was Dooku) recruited Fett, who had to be there at the very beginning since all the Clones are copies of him.
I've read online that some EU sources say that Dooku left the Order because Qui-Gon was killed, but I never use that in any of my fics. I think that Dooku must have been dipping into the dark side for awhile before then. Maybe Qui-Gon's death was the excuse he used for leaving the Order, but I think he already had plans for it.
Interesting point: Obi-Wan was knighted and was going to take Anakin as his padawan immediately after Qui-Gon died. This implies to me that Obi-Wan was hanging around the Temple a bit, at least initially after Qui-Gon's death. But Dooku didn't meet Obi-Wan until AOTC. That implies to me that Dooku was typically absent from the Temple even when he was a Jedi and that his break with the Jedi was done long distance.
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Actually, Dooku wasn't Sipho-Dyas.
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Aaaaaaah, I haven't seen that part the back story before. From just watching AOTC it isn't clear if it was Sifo-Dyas who commissioned the Clone Army or if it was Dooku impersonating him to cover his tracks.
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