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JediMindTrick000 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 4/11/06 1:35pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Index and Discussion Thread Starter Topic Up Now
	Wow, this thread has gotten a pretty good turnout, and I am quite thankful for that. Welcome, HardwareStoreJedi, I'm glad you've joined us! I do love your idea, and not to shamelessly plug my story, but as it does actually relate to your post, you may enjoy my story "The Emperor's First Hand" which is in the index of this thread, and where Asajj definitely gets to show off her evil tendencies. The story takes place right after ROTS, so it is right in the timeframe you are talking. We'll have our first challenge and official discussion next week when I get back. Thanks all, and by all means, talk amongst yourselves. -----signature----- World Builder Society - New Challenge 2/26! http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/22112407/ My latest attempt at literary excellence... Delusions of Grandeur - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28113194/
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HardwareStoreJedi Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 4/12/06 9:08am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Index and Discussion Thread Starter Topic Up Now
	"The Emperor's First Hand" is pretty cool. Yeah, we seem to agree on her...a LOT. Such a BAAAAAD grrl. Gotta love her. She's easily one of my favorite characters to come out of the Prequel Trilogy milieu. Her and Mace Windu. Hey! Nobody's had those two face off! That could rock. They'd have to fight to some sort of a draw, though. Kind of like Anakin vs. Asajji in Clone Wars. I love how Sidious/Palpatine plays with her mind. He's going to do a screw-job on her, isn't he? BTW all the fics I have published so far have been in a completely different milieu: "Daria." I'm not a stranger to fanfic but I'm a noob when it comes to SW fics. Here are the ones I still "claim" as my own. I wrote a bunch more but I'm rather uncomfortable with them. -----signature----- What geeky stuff am I up to? Look here: http://mysquelchyblog.blogspot.com/ 2nd gen. Angelino...all C-V/VI questions welcome. Proud Sunrider Base Rebel Legion and LA Fan Force member.
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JediMindTrick000 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 4/18/06 12:46pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Index and Discussion Thread Starter Topic Up Now
	Hey, no time to post at the moment, but just wanted to let everyone know a new chapter of Jennifer_Lyn's "When the Hunter Becomes the Hunted" is out, so you should definitely go check it out! Also, we should have our first "real" topic and challenge tomorrow, so stick around! -----signature----- World Builder Society - New Challenge 2/26! http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/22112407/ My latest attempt at literary excellence... Delusions of Grandeur - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28113194/
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JediMindTrick000 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 4/19/06 3:53pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Index and Discussion Thread Starter Topic Up Now
	Discussion Topic #1 - Dark Jedi vs. Sith Now, as we all know, Asajj was never classified as a Sith, but rather a Dark Jedi. This is mainly because of Darth Bane's "Rule of Two," and as long as Dooku was Sidious' apprentice, he could never have one of his own. However, there must be other differences between these two titles. What are your feelings on the differences between Dark Jedi and Sith? Also, would Asajj been anywhere near as effective as Dooku or Vader as Darth Sidious' apprentice following ROTS? Discuss! Challenge #1 - Only Two There Are Write a piece of any length to be posted in the Saga Forum where Asajj finally gets to become the Sith she has always dreamed of being. This story can take place any time between the Clone Wars to after the end of Episode III. Now, just remember, only two there are, so you must decide who her Master is...will it be Sidious, Tyranus, or even Vader? Tell the tale of how Asajj Ventress finally gets to become a Sith apprentice. We'll be on this topic for a while, but I'll keep you posted as to when we want to cut off submissions, and then we will vote on our first Asajj Ventress Challenge Winner! Just PM me with the link info, and I'll be sure to index your work as soon as possible. Happy writing! -----signature----- World Builder Society - New Challenge 2/26! http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/22112407/ My latest attempt at literary excellence... Delusions of Grandeur - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28113194/
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Zonoma Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 4/19/06 5:30pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	That is an awesome challenge! In fact, my former padawan and I were co writing one similair (unposted as of yet) until she disappeared from the boards . Asajj is an incredibly flexible character to write. I love that. No set thing about her except her skill and passion. She's very fun. -----signature----- http://zonoma.livejournal.com/
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correllian_ale Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 4/19/06 5:48pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	Great topic & challenge JMT000! I think the key difference between the Dark Jedi & The Sith is legacy. The Sith have a long storied history of exploring the nuances and special traits of the Dark Side; which they've been able to store in their own Sith Holocrons. Not to dismiss Asajj at all, but Dark Jedi are really just Force-adepts that seem to have some training (or their a "fallen" Jedi), but without the more imlicit teachings of the Sith. Dark Jedi have fallen to the Drk Side because they let the negative emotions guide their actions, while Sith seem not only to make a concious decision to be Evil, but learn the traits (I believe Force-lightening is one) that only the Sith command. -----signature----- Consider this my "throw back" jersey... I govern my life around my own personal code of ethics, and I suggest that you do the same.
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Palpy560 Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 4/20/06 5:21am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	What are your feelings on the differences between Dark Jedi and Sith? I've always thought of the Sith as the arch-enemy of the Jedi Knight. They work for eons just to bring down the Jedi. They hate, fear and seduce the Jedi. They are totally devoted to the Dark Side and it's almost like a dark religion for them. Dark Jedi, like Jerec or Asajj, are like rogues. People who don't really fit anywhere. This gives them an incredible amount of freedom to do whatever they want as far as the Force. They don't have to use the Dark Side. But they prefer it. Now, I don't think Asajj could be as effective as Dooku or Vader. But she seems tied with Maul. Maul was just a killer. And Asajj could fill that role to boot. Who knows though, if she was given the Sith title, she might become all the more interesting. Seeing as how she is desperate to become a Sith. With that desire taken care of, she might unleash all this evil upon the Galaxy. -----signature----- "I like being bad. It makes me happy." - Eddie Brock / Venom in "Spider-Man 3"
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JediMindTrick000 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 4/20/06 9:39am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	So all that being said, Dooku plainly stated upon meeting Asajj "You are not Sith." We have already said that Dark Jedi have no problem using the Dark Side of the Force, so what is that little "something" that would make a person a Sith? Does someone have to take them on as an apprentice? -----signature----- World Builder Society - New Challenge 2/26! http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/22112407/ My latest attempt at literary excellence... Delusions of Grandeur - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28113194/
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Jennifer_Lyn Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 4/20/06 10:59am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	the way i've understood it, a Dark Jedi is someone who has once trained as a Jedi of the Light side and later fell prey to their fears and anger. there are numerous other classifications of Dark side adepts as well. the Sith, on the other hand, are more than just fallen Light siders or simply beings who've chosen to use the Dark side of the Force. they are true mirrors of the Jedi in that they study the ways of the Force and try to discern portents and greater meaning from their visions. i think this is the main reason Asajj would not be a very effective Sith apprentice. her main drive seems to be eliminating the Jedi for revenge, as Palpy560 said, similarly to Darth Maul. in contrast, Darth Sidious and Count Dooku are looking at the wider scope of galactic events, concentrating on using the Dark side to attain a goal with a much broader scope that will increase their personal power exponentially. it is possible that the elimination of the Jedi is simply a single, if major, step toward that goal. i.e. step 1. eliminate all who stand in our way. step 2. take over the galaxy. -----signature----- Forever in search of the perfect Obi-Wan quote but it remains something... elsewhere. Elusive. OC revolutionaries never die, they just go into hiding. A Stirring in the Bones - http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/24526219/p5 - completed ages ago
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Persephone_Kore Title: TFN Fan Fiction Archive Editor Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 4/20/06 3:27pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	I'm not sure about my sources on this, but I was under the impression that the origin of Sith lore/philosophy was largely a group of Dark Jedi -- ones who schismed off from the Jedi Order and went (just to confuse matters) to a planet populated by a near-human species called the Sith. And I'm a little unclear on the details, but evidently they taught, intermarried, and generally proceeded to merge. As the term no longer really seems to mean the species, however, I'd say that the definition is mostly a matter of whether you've been taught some of the... hmm... proprietary stuff? grins And of having been inducted somehow. Not necessarily a ceremony, but at least having it announced. To you, if nobody else. (I'd actually imagine the Jedi to have been run a bit more like that once; it seems that they are a great more formal/organized now than they used to be.) So... basically, Asajj is a Dark Jedi because she was given Jedi teaching but fell to the dark side, and not a Sith because the existing Sith are both holding out on her. (I'm of the opinion that "Only two there are" is custom rather than some intrinsic feature.) And... I've run out now, I guess, because I'm actually more interested in the idea of her redemption than of what she'd do if she were brought into the Sith, and I'm going to run away before I get any more demented plotbunnies. hops off with challenge gnawing on her ankle -----signature----- Protégé: Chosen: http://boards.theforce.net/f/b1/28612428 Protégé: Padawans: http://boards.theforce.net/f/b1/29531610 A Rose in the Ashes: http://boards.theforce.net/f/b1/29028814 Lost Ones: http://boards.theforce.net/f/b1/29061459
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HardwareStoreJedi Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 4/20/06 6:03pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A - Date Edited: 4/21/06 8:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: HardwareStoreJedi
	Here's the way I see it. Asajji is too independent to be a Sith. She would not be able to submit to Darth Sidious and his discipline. I think that Sidious/Palpatine wants to USE Asajji as an assassin, spy and Jedi-hunter. But she is too willful to be his apprentice, and that's why he never considered her for those purposes. I also think that perhaps Darth Maul was not necessarily Sidious' apprentice. It was useful for Sidious to allow Maul to think he was his apprentice. The fact that he was basically a "redshirt" in Episode I makes me think that as far as the chain of master and apprentice goes, the true apprentice of Darth Sidious was Darth Tyrannus, Count Dooku. A Sith apprentice would be almost as formidable and powerful as a Sith Master. He would also be fully involved in whatever intrigues his Master is brewing. Maul was basically just a gifted fighter with limited Force skills and ninja-like stealth ability for spying. I think he was being used, and I think his purpose ended with the killing of Qui-Gon Jinn. So the chain of Sith during the Saga would go this way: Pre-Episode I: Master is Darth Plagueis, apprentice is Darth Sidious. After Darth Plagueis reveals the secret of force-manipulation of life to Darth Sidious, Sidious attacks Plagueis as he sleeps. A battle ensues as Plagueis wakes up and fights his treacherous apprentice. But the initiative Sidious seizes as Plagueis slept is too much to overcome, and Plagueis is slain. Sidious, who might have originally been the Jedi Sifo-Dyas, links up with another Jedi who has fallen to the Dark Side, Count Dooku, who has been calling himself Darth Tyrannus. Darth Tyrannus becomes Darth Sidious' first apprentice. One of Darth Sidious' first acts as a Sith Master is to cause the unnatural conception of the future Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker. Sidious uses force-manipulation to make an ovum of the slave woman Shmi Skywalker quicken into conception. Since unmarried slave women bearing children by ravishment is not unusual on Tatooine, her pregnancy and the birth of Anakin is unremarkable. Episode I: Master is Darth Sidious, the Phantom Menace. Apprentice is Darth Tyrannus. "Darth" Maul, a talented swordsman but not so talented a force user, is recruited by Darth Sidious to take out Qui-Gon Jinn. Maul is led to believe he is Darth Sidious' apprentice. He never knows about Darth Tyrannus, and neither does the audience...Tyrannus/Dooku is only introduced in Episode II. Maul succeeds in his mission to kill Qui-Gon Jinn, a mission supported by the tremendous powers of Sidious and Tyrannus. After Maul kills Qui-Gon Jinn, the protection of Sidious and Tyrannus is withdrawn from him, (See Battle Meditation) and Obi-Wan can easily kill Maul. Episode II and the beginning of Episode III: Master is Darth Sidious, apprentice is Darth Tyrannus. Beginning of Episode III: Darth Tyrannus is slain by the Jedi Anakin Skywalker. Darth Sidious has been cultivating Anakin as someone he can potentially turn. Anakin does not know he is the unnatural "son" of Sidious. He does not even know Sidious is the Sith Master. However, he will learn all in the course of Episode III and its aftermath. The Dark Times and the Original Trilogy (IV, V, VI): Master is Darth Sidious, apprentice is Darth Vader. When Darth Vader learns that Padme bore twin children and they both survived his force-choking rage, he begins to consider the turning of either Luke Skywalker or Leia Organa, the elimination of Darth Sidious, and his ascent to the throne of the Empire and status as Sith Master, with one of his children as his apprentice. However, Luke Skywalker has other ambitions. He begins to believe that Darth Vader can be turned back from the Sith and be redeemed. Leia has a sense of all which is going on, but she is too involved with her place in the leadership council of the Rebellion to participate in these matters. At the climax of Episode VI, Darth Vader is indeed redeemed, and for a few moments is Anakin Skywalker in flesh once again before he expires. Darth Sidious is blown to smithereens by the explosion of the Second Death Star's nuclear core. The Sith line begun by Darth Bane a millenium prior is extinct. Note that Asajji Ventress has zero, zip, nada official involvement in the Chain of Sith. She is used by the Sith just like Maul is used by the Sith. However, unlike Maul, Asajji is very, very strong in The Force. She learns to hate both the Jedi and the Sith. With the extinction of the Bane-line Sith, an event she can foresee, she knows she has a chance at establishing her own line. That is, if she can survive the Dark Times without incurring the wrath of Darth Sidious and Darth Vader. And therein lies the root of a thousand tales...bwahaha! ^_^ -----signature----- What geeky stuff am I up to? Look here: http://mysquelchyblog.blogspot.com/ 2nd gen. Angelino...all C-V/VI questions welcome. Proud Sunrider Base Rebel Legion and LA Fan Force member.
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JediMindTrick000 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 4/21/06 4:18am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread *4/19 New Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	Those are very interesting theories, HardwareStoreJedi, and I must admit, probably the first time I've heard some of them. I have heard the theory on Sifo-Dyas, and although I would have to disagree (see my story "Death from Within" for my theory on that one), it does have a good deal of credibility with a lot of folks. The one I hadn't heard was about Maul. I have never heard of him being merely an assassin, not really an apprentice. I always thought he was a bit narrow minded to be a effective Sith lord, but I figured that was just because Sidious had taught him since early childhood. Either way, interesting perspective. Asajj may be that type of warrior, but I think her overall Force skills would make her more effective of a Sith than Maul. -----signature----- World Builder Society - New Challenge 2/26! http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/22112407/ My latest attempt at literary excellence... Delusions of Grandeur - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28113194/
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HardwareStoreJedi Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 4/21/06 8:22am Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread - Current Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A - Date Edited: 4/21/06 9:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HardwareStoreJedi
	I did make one mistake...I was unaware of the long history between Darth Sidious and Darth Maul, that he was an adopted "son" to Darth Sidious. A quick scan of both Wookieepedia and the official Star Wars databank let me know about that. However, that doesn't change my idea that he was being used, and that Dooku/Tyrannus was Sidious' first true apprentice. And it doesn't change my view of where Asajji Ventress fits in. Once trained briefly as a Jedi, never trained seriously as a Sith, used by both sides, contemptuous of both. Biding her time, waiting for the end of the Bane line to establish her own. And occasionally creating chaos here and there. It may take me a while to actually answer the challenge. I have college stuff to finish up. But that's where I'm at. -----signature----- What geeky stuff am I up to? Look here: http://mysquelchyblog.blogspot.com/ 2nd gen. Angelino...all C-V/VI questions welcome. Proud Sunrider Base Rebel Legion and LA Fan Force member.
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HardwareStoreJedi Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 5/1/06 9:32pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread - Current Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	Spring Semester 2006 is almost done at Woodbury so I am giving this thread a bump so it can be seen. I've been thinking about this a lot, though. I look forward to getting to this at last. -----signature----- What geeky stuff am I up to? Look here: http://mysquelchyblog.blogspot.com/ 2nd gen. Angelino...all C-V/VI questions welcome. Proud Sunrider Base Rebel Legion and LA Fan Force member.
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Kynstar Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 9/18/06 1:26pm Subject: RE: Into the Mind of a Killer: The Asajj Ventress Thread - Current Topic/Challenge: Only Two There A
	Wow been a while since I visited here! I'm still attempting to catch up on everything due to my internet probs (and still having them). Guess I have the worst luck with this Hope things have been well with you all! Specially you JMT!! How ya been? I've enjoyed the discussion here so far! Wow heavy stuff there HardwareStoreJedi! I agree about the theories being interesting -----signature----- Paddy sis to t_s & SarkaVrae/Master to hyperspace_police Member of Rebel Legion and Jedi Assembly (Kynstar Lans) Only thru fear, hatred, and pain will the true power of the Force be revealed. See stories/viggies in bio
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