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DarthQuellonis Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 8/9/06 11:00am Subject: Music in fan fics?
	I have a question. Would it be legal to edit a soundtrack with Star Wars music then post an audio file that can't be right clicked that matches the fan fic's actions? Or would you get it a lot of trouble with this forum, Lucasfilm Ltd., and get sued out of this world? Basically a fan fic Star Wars with music, which wouldn't be for distribution, just for show and enjoyment of the readers. Answers would be appreciated. -----signature----- The Mandalorian Wars: http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/23693871/p1/?5 For the Motherland!
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JadeSolo Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 8/9/06 11:38am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	I think as long as you're not making any money off the soundtrack, you should be fine. On YouTube, for example, people splice together Star Wars and Star Trek clips, but because you can watch it for free they don't get into trouble (I'm assuming this is why they can stay online). Plus, those videos are really funny, and I'd hate to see a C&D. -----signature----- "If you expect a kick in the balls and you get a slap in the face, it's a victory." "May God bless you and keep you always...I mean that in a civic deist way." -Prof. Siegel "No guaranteed money, but all guaranteed fun!"
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Elfsheen Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 8/26/06 12:45am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	You could also make yourself a fanmix. On LiveJournal people do that often. Write a fanfic of sorts and than make a fanmix to go with it! -----signature----- You're the worst hallucination ever!!! I'm not crazy I just have a second consciousness in my brain Double Oh Fang
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slow_dawn Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 8/26/06 6:59am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	Maybe you could consider having someone on the boards score some new cinematic type music for your fics. That could be interesting. -----signature----- The finest country blues singer - Mississippi John Hurt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GN-BP_Qlk The Vig Challenge Board - http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/28176650/p1
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oqidaun Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/26/06 9:07am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	I do that a lot with the "trailers" I make for my fanfic and I have a iMix at iTunes to go with some of the epics. -----signature----- . . . . I'm so bad, I banned myself.
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Layren Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 8/26/06 9:11am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	I was wondering about this myself. I've created an enormous soundtrack for one of my epics and it took me a lot of time. I had wanted to post it somewhere but wasn't sure if that was legal or not -----signature----- Proud Master to Ara-gon The Triad Chronicles http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/25934993/p1/?177 (OC's) Into Another Day http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/27926050/p1/?0 2008 Dear Diary Challenge I am Jinngerbread.
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Elfsheen Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 8/26/06 9:50am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	I'm not sure if it's legal. Probably not. It would be legal to make the mix, music links to the songs, so no actual upload. Then people can get the songs for themselves and how they do it is not your problem It's actually really interesting to see what kind of music people would pick for your stories. I guess it depends a lot on taste. -----signature----- You're the worst hallucination ever!!! I'm not crazy I just have a second consciousness in my brain Double Oh Fang
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ophelia Title: Ex-Mod Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/27/06 12:10am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	So I'm not the only one whose epic has a soundtrack? It used to have its own little playlist in my iTunes program, but then I had to wipe everything on my computer out and reload it all, and I haven't bothered to reload the songs I uploaded from CD. So alas, my "soundtrack" is now incomplete. Just out of curiosity--what songs have people picked to go with their stories? I'm lame and don't get "out" much, and only recently discovered fan "videos" on Youtube, and I really like some of them. A good one can add as much depth to the original material as a good fanfic. I love oqi's "trailers" too--so much that I had to go and copy the idea. I've only got one, since after finishing my huge, stupid epic I have sworn to write nothing but one-shots until I die. Stories you can read in one sitting hardly seem to merit a trailer. But I like my one trailer a lot!!11!!! I'm honestly not sure what a fanmix or an iMix is--unless "fanmix" is just another name for something like a Youtube video. Multimedia does great things for fic, IMO, and I'm curious about what people have out there. -----signature----- In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps with your mom
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leiamoody Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 8/27/06 1:04am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics? - Date Edited: 8/27/06 1:36am (4 edits total) Edited By: leiamoody
	ophelia posted: Just out of curiosity--what songs have people picked to go with their stories? I'll actually answer this (aww, crap, the audience thinks). There's only one song that anyone will recognize (the other ones would have to be run through Google if you happ'd to be curious about 'em). For the (theoretical) sequel to Sleeping and Dreaming, I'm using a whole soundtrack that progresses right in order with the scenes. They fit more of a particular mood in the environment that I'm going for rather than specific characters or situations (except for Bjork's "All Is Full Of Love"). Some of the songs I'm using include: "Sunbeams" "5th and Avenida" "Opus 2. Waltz #1 (Nunley's Carousel)---this one goes very well with a scene taking place in a park An orchestral version of "Zelda's Lullaby" from The Legend of Zelda video games (it makes great background music for the gathering after an Alderaani refugee reception) For a later story, I'm going with songs that actually are a tight fit with the core dilemmia both characters are going through at the time. Which means a lot of songs about love and something like it...which ranges from "Creep" by Radiohead to "Love Comes Quickly" by The Pet Shop Boys. Yah, okay, too much for one post. -----signature----- "Pabst Blue Ribbon!"
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Layren Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 8/27/06 6:54am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	ophelia posted: So I'm not the only one whose epic has a soundtrack? Nope Far from it, probably. The one I created for my epic has 40 tracks on it. My hubby downloaded me a freeware music editing program called Audacity, that is extraordinarily user friendly and excellent to work with that I use to make mine. I took bits and pieces from other soundtracks and wove them together and I am quite satisfied with the results. You could say I'm a bit obsessed with musical scores I have over 40 film soundtracks in my collection. I'm now working on another soundtrack for the sequel to the epic Yeah, it's officially confirmed I have no life now -----signature----- Proud Master to Ara-gon The Triad Chronicles http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/25934993/p1/?177 (OC's) Into Another Day http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/27926050/p1/?0 2008 Dear Diary Challenge I am Jinngerbread.
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ophelia Title: Ex-Mod Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/27/06 10:52am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	leiamoody: That was not either too much for one post. I actually looked all those songs up and listened to clips of them (except for "5th and Avenida," which is apparently not on the Net.) It's cool to hear what an author has going through her mind when she's writing something--it really does help you (or help me, anyway) visualize the "feel" or the "theme" of the story--especially if the "soundtrack" has a coherance to it, and the songs seem interrelated. I had no idea that the universe of "Sleeping and Dreaming" had so much piano music in it. (Or at least the versions of the songs I found were piano music.) I tend to imagine everything Star Wars with John Williams' music behind it, and I was surprised by the intimacy and whimsy of some of the songs. Unless someone tells me different, my brain defaults to "galaxy-sweeping epic" orchestral music. ::Reads last sentence:: This implies that I "hear" soundtracks to all fanfic I read, but am not usually aware of it. That's frightening, actually. Layren wrote: My hubby downloaded me a freeware music editing program called Audacity, that is extraordinarily user friendly and excellent to work with that I use to make mine. I took bits and pieces from other soundtracks and wove them together and I am quite satisfied with the results. Ahh . . . I wish I'd known there was a good freeware program out there. I use a program called "Wave Mp3 Editor" by a company called "Code-It Software." I don't remember it being too expensive, but any amount of money is more money than "free." I also don't think it's very intuitive in terms of use, but once I fought through the learning process I found it was a good program. Just out of curiosity--how do you use your editor? Are you making a medley of several different songs (something I've had no success at), or do you just change around the songs you have? I almost never edit "soundtrack" songs unles there's something glaringly unfortunate about them: a really good part transitioning into a stupid part; annoying audience applause on a live track, etc. The only exception is the music I used for my "Spirit Warriors" trailer. That's actually the music behind a "Seven Samurai" trailer I found (fan made? I can't tell). There was no music credit, so I can't tell you where the track is from. There's a huge old splice in the middle of the version I used, since I wanted to keep my "commercial" fast-paced and under a minute. I don't think you can hear where I cut and pasted. Wave MP3 Editor is good for that. ("Spirit Warriors" is a SW re-telling of "Seven Samurai," which is why I cribbed its trailer music.) I had to go and reconstruct my "Spirit Warriors" playlist this morning, just because I missed it. I didn't realize how inaccessible some of the songs were until I tried to find them online. It's all soundtrack/instrumental stuff, and I used a trick I picked up from the fan film forums--I scrounged through John Williams' lesser-known work to find music that seemed to "fit," but which wasn't immediately recognizable. (No "Jaws" theme in the middle of my SW fic, thanks.) And yes, not only did I make a soundtrack, I went out looking for soundtrack material, which is both A) sad, and B) one reason why I'm very curious about music other authors are using. If nothing else, I can always use Star Wars-y stuff to play in the background as I write. My "soundtrack," just for the heck of it (real title and album info, delusional only-in-my-mind title info, and what scene the song's supposed to "play during"): 1) "Anthem Part 3" from the "Powaqqatsi" soundtrack, by Philip Glass. (Executive producers of "Powaqqatsi:" Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas. ) This is the "main title theme" to "Spirit Warriors of Angharad." Unfortunately, as far as I know there is no decent clip of this online. ITunes does have samples from the album, but it chose terrible ones, in which the major musical theme is not present. You can hear the first two notes of it at the very end of the clip called "Powaqqatsi," and that's it. I might put up a short clip myself, just because. 2) "Celebrate Discovery" from "American Journey," John Williams' album for the 2002 Winter Olympics. A.k.a. "Anakin's Theme." (Obviously not the one from TPM.) This is my favorite track on my "album," because it's perfect for a 16-year-old Anakin who hasn't really committed himself to either light or darkness yet. He's just a brave, reckless kid who likes to BLOW UP STUF!!111!! My favorite things about it: the snare drums in 3/4 time are the same as those in "The Imperial March," and there's a soft, reflective section in the middle that's very reminiscent of "Anakin's Theme" from TPM. All accidental--just music by the same man, but I love it. I edited out the fanfare at the beginning so it just starts with the snares, the same as "The Imperial March." I also like the fact that the music isn't quite an adult hero's theme (although it gets close), and it isn't quite a young kid's theme (although it gets close to that, too). I actually get a cheap thrill out of listening to my slightly-altered version in between "Anakin's Theme" from TPM and "The Imperial March." It sounds like it belongs there. 3) "Civil Rights And Women's Movement" from "American Journey." Delusionally: "Matreya's Theme." (My OC female lead.) John Williams gave this song the worst title in the history of the world. It sounds like a chapter in a social studies textbook. 4) Movement 2, "Adagio," from "Concierto de Aranjuez" by Joaquín Rodrigo. (This is on dozens of different albums.) For pretend: "Obi-Wan and Matreya." I was very surprised to find out that this is on the "Brassed Off" soundtrack, as "Brassed Off: Adagio." Apparently the characters of the film call the piece "Concierto de Orange Juice." That title almost makes up for the name "Civil Rights And Women's Movement." Also, even the tangential connection to Ewan McGregor cracks me up. 5) "The Kiss" from "The Last Of The Mohicans" soundtrack, by Randy Edelman & Trevor Jones. Make believe name: "Requiem For Nidawi." This would go with the part where residents of a half-destroyed village get ready to fight back. 6) "Caught!" from the "Powaqqatsi" soundtrack. Pretend title: "Escape From Perahta's Camp." This scene involves escaping . . . from Perahta's camp. (The iTunes clip is very slightly better than the one for "Anthem Part 3.") 7) "Men In Metal" from "The Matrix: Revolutions" soundtrack, by Don Davis. Actually, it can keep its original title. It goes with the invasion of a mercenary army. 8) "Neodammerung" & "Navras," from "The Matrix: Revolutions." Pretend title: "Anakin vs. Darth Vengeance." What is the scene about? Three guesses. (I actually want parts of both these songs and really should edit them together--I just haven't bothered. ) 9) "Mr. Suso #2 With Reflection" from the "Powaqqatsi" soundtrack. Pretend title: "We Fight; They Win." This goes with the final "pullback" from the world of Angharad as the Jedi leave. My fake title is the last line of the story. (The iTunes clip is actually representative of the song, amazingly enough. It would really have to be--the clip is 30 seconds long, while the whole song is just over a minute. How could they miss?!) That's it--it's a short soundtrack. I'm bummed out that almost all the Powaqqatsi clips are so crappy. Philip Glass is hard to sample in a way that sounds representative of a whole song, but you'd think that in 4 repetitions of the main theme on the album, they'd have managed to capture it at least once. -----signature----- In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps with your mom
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JadeSolo Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 8/27/06 10:53am Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	I suppose anyone who's affected in any way by music will have some kind of soundtrack for their fics. Sometimes I even use actual Star Wars music! Maybe it was one song that inspired the story, or you always have a particular genre running to set the mood while you write, or you got stuck and just built your story around whatever was in your playlist. Hmmm, that last one's not a bad idea... -----signature----- "If you expect a kick in the balls and you get a slap in the face, it's a victory." "May God bless you and keep you always...I mean that in a civic deist way." -Prof. Siegel "No guaranteed money, but all guaranteed fun!"
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Layren Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 8/27/06 12:30pm Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	Audacity Ophelia, I do a couple of different methods when I'm working on a particular song. It depends on the scene really as to the song selection and what I do with it. Mostly I manipulate songs I already have, like I'll clip off part of one song and fade it out and paste part of another onto it and fade in to where it sounds right. Really it's all about how you hear things as to how easily it is to edit songs. I play piano and I mostly play by ear. I can read music, but most of the time I just don't. If you want me to teach you how to use the software, I'd be glad to -----signature----- Proud Master to Ara-gon The Triad Chronicles http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/25934993/p1/?177 (OC's) Into Another Day http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/27926050/p1/?0 2008 Dear Diary Challenge I am Jinngerbread.
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ophelia Title: Ex-Mod Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/27/06 3:40pm Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	Well, I can do all those things except for the "sound right" part. I must be splicing together the wrong songs or joining them at the wrong spots, because I thought the end result sounded awful. Probably I wasn't doing enough of a fade-out/fade in. I only ever tried to put together songs like "Neodammerung" and "Navras," which repeat some of the same sections, and I was trying to graft one directly onto the other so that you couldn't tell that there'd been a splice. It seems like even if two tracks on a soundtrack were different versions of "the same song," there were differences in time, tempo, or instrumentation that made splicing them impossible, even if I "cheated" and tried fading one into the other in places where the music faded anyway. Most likely I need to do a full fade out, wait, fade in to something else, which I didn't want to do, but which is probably necessary unless I want to try some seriously heavy-duty remixing software. Which I don't. I think I paid something like $14.95 for "Wave MP3 Editor," and I was telling myself even then, "Man, you're stupid for doing this." I'll look into "Audacity" and see if it does things my current program doesn't. I also have one of the cheapo toy versions of ACID (not currently installed), so I'm familiar with the trick of moving a file around to the program that does the job I want. (Why have one powerful, expensive sound editor when you can have a dozen cheap, wimpy ones?) If I end up using "Audacity" I'll definitely ask you for tips, though. Thank you. -----signature----- In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps with your mom
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leiamoody Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 8/27/06 11:07pm Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	ophelia posted: I actually looked all those songs up and listened to clips of them (except for "5th and Avenida," which is apparently not on the Net.) Yeah, I forgot to add that last track comes from the compilation series called Cafe del Mar. It's on Volume 4, Track 11. There isn't a sample of it at Amazon, but hopefully there should be one on iTunes (I'm still not part of that particular revolution yet). But it's a lot more funky and uptempo in terms of beat than some of the other songs I listed. But that goes with the feeling I'm trying to capture of running around in the heart of a mid-level city during the daytime, when there's a certain kind of rushed feeling, of being "in the moment"...that sort of thing. I had no idea that the universe of "Sleeping and Dreaming" had so much piano music in it. (Or at least the versions of the songs I found were piano music.) I tend to imagine everything Star Wars with John Williams' music behind it, and I was surprised by the intimacy and whimsy of some of the songs. I've always been drawn to piano music probably more than other form. There's something about the way a piano can be made to sound given a certain combintion of notes. It's elegant, but can also be upbeat (like Scott Joplin's pieces), and can sound forbidding and angry (like the piano riff used for the AT-AT's on the TESB soundtrack). As for the songs sounding intimate and whimsy, that matches the nature of my stories I think. I'm writing stories at the moment which deal more with situations and emotions of characters rather than circumstances, which is very intimate. And I also deal in random touches of whimsy, so it follows I would be attracted to whimsy. And Philip Glass...that's a tricky choice for fanfic music. Talk about a hard style to define. I'll give you credit for being ambitious. I could only go as far as Brian Eno and Harold Budd for Sleeping and Dreaming. -----signature----- "Pabst Blue Ribbon!"
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ophelia Title: Ex-Mod Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 8/28/06 2:33pm Subject: RE: Music in fan fics?
	leiamoody wrote: Cafe del Mar. It's on Volume 4, Track 11 No luck. ITunes has partial albums of volumes 6 and 8, and that's it. I'm writing stories at the moment which deal more with situations and emotions of characters rather than circumstances, which is very intimate. Yeah, I can see that. Nothing's exploded in "Sleeping and Dreaming" yet. I've never tried putting together a "soundtrack" for something with a fairly tight and intimate focus--possibly because the fics I've written like that tend to be very short. (Maybe I should rethink that, and imagine them as Youtube videos rather than film scores.) I can see how piano music could suit a character-portait story, though. My epic was basically written like a film--only with the fanfic bits already built in. That's why it ended up so godawful long. Almost everything I used either was or had been used for film score music, except for JW's 2002 Olympics album, and that was used on TV. There's something very visual about a lot of soundtrack music, and I liked that. And Philip Glass...that's a tricky choice for fanfic music. Oh, "Powaqqatsi" isn't like "Einstein On The Beach"--it's really not even much like "Koyaanisqatsi." The film's by the same guy who did "Koyaanisqatsi" and it's another "look at the pretty pictures" movie (Biggest. Youtube video. Ever.) , but the theme of this one is people from pre-industrial societies running into "First World" culture and interests--and not coming out better for it. That pretty much described the underlying conflict in my novel, so I thought the soundtrack worked really well. Glass puts together a lot of "old sounding" instruments and melodies with a techno background, and I love the result. It's very easy on the ears, unlike some of his stuff. Also, the main theme always makes me imagine a panoramic shot from the air of the place where my story was set. (About 85% of it was "shot on location" in the mountains of Nepal. Only you have to pretend it's another planet.) 30-second "Powaqqatsi" clip, .wav format (May take a while to load, depending on your connection speed) -----signature----- In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps with your mom
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