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Vaders_Angel
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1)Age - 30
2)How long have you been writing or reading on these boards? Off and on for 3 years, though I stopped posting and mostly lurked until very recently.
3)Favorite genre, saga of SW? The prequels, ROTS being my favorite of them. Most of the fics I read and write are from this timeframe.
4)Favorite characters and why? Ani/Vader and Padme. While most will probably say Star Wars was never meant to be a love story, I have to say that the romance between these two, and the tragic ending, was what made it interesting to me. There are some points about it that got on my nerves a little, but that's a topic for another thread.  Let's just say there are still times watching it at home when Padme makes me want to turn off the tv.
5)Why has SW always been so special to you? Truthfully I haven't always been a big fan. I think it's the nostalgia that drew me in to watching TPM, which hooked me and had me awaiting the next two anxiously. I think the original trilogy was a bit lost on me as a kid,but now that I'm older and understand some of the points I missed the first time round, I'm enjoying it far more.
And Finally...
6) Favorite tips or advise for writing.
Description, description, description. Don't get me wrong, I've seen alot of powerful writing that was mostly dialogue, barely any description, but as a general rule try to set the tone for your piece by describing the surroundings. Take the reader there, give them a mental image of where the scene is taking place. By the same token, overdoing it can also bore readers. Choose appropriate times to add description. Who wants to hear about how gloriously silky Anakin thinks Padmes dress is when theres a huge dramatic fight scene going on between them? Describing emotion is also key. In order to understand a characters motivations behind the actions he's performing, one needs to know what he's feeling.
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madman007
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I could go on and on how Mara Jade Skywalker was misrepresented 2/3 of the way into Sacrifice. Up until she made the decision to tackle Jacen all by herself was asinine in of itself. Think of this: not even Mara Jade, the Emperor's Hand would have taken on a potential Sith Lord alone. Before that moment, I have to admit it was the best written Mara in a long time. And of course they had to kill her at that point. As far as the last 1/3 of the book, I'll leave my comments and suggestions in my upcoming rewrite of the ending of Sacrifice.
Oh and I can only speculate on the LOTF up till Sacrifice because that's where I quit.
As far as who was best written, I suggest it was the first Jedi that Jacen had to kill in the first book, Nellani (sp?) To me, she represented what a true Jedi was supposed to stand for and she was the best written character out of all of them. Funny how she had to die.
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Jade_Pilot
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Welcome Vaders_Angel!
I agree with you Diane, I love how Ben's character has been developed, especially after he investigated Mara's death. In spite of his pain, he wanted to do a decent job-and with integrity.
So many characters have been painfully OOC of me. Tahiri as Diane mentioned, Mara as mm007 mentioned; most of us would say Luke, as well.
I keep going back to why Jacen? The writers are trying to convince us that Anakin's death, Vergere and the torture by the Vong changed Jacen to his very core, but I'm just not buying it. I could see Kyp going darkside before I could see Jacen, maybe even Jaina.
I would've needed to see glimpses of a darkness in Jacen before the war to think that he could change so drastically. I mean, he was the one that loved animals, was not a strong swordsman or force adept, even passive at times.
We could see glimpses of Anakin Skywalker's fear and darkness in the PT, but Jacen??? Nah...
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dianethx
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Jade_Pilot - I agree that Jaina would go darkside before Jacen would. It just about killed me when they did that to him....
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madman007
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Didn't Jaina almost go to the dark side right after Anakin Solo's death in the book after Star By Star, Dark Journey?
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dianethx
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madman007 posted:
Didn't Jaina almost go to the dark side right after Anakin Solo's death in the book after Star By Star, Dark Journey?
Yes, she did. But she came back from it, more or less okay. Truth be told, I didn't think it was that dark. More of a muddy grey.
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dianethx posted:
madman007 posted:
Didn't Jaina almost go to the dark side right after Anakin Solo's death in the book after Star By Star, Dark Journey?
Yes, she did. But she came back from it, more or less okay. Truth be told, I didn't think it was that dark. More of a muddy grey.
Because, evidently in the NJO and beyond, once you go down the dark path, it doesn't forever dominate your destiny or consume you. It just gives you a moment of temporary angst and then you're all better.
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Alexis_Wingstar
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Rigil_Kent posted:
dianethx posted:
madman007 posted:
Didn't Jaina almost go to the dark side right after Anakin Solo's death in the book after Star By Star, Dark Journey?
Yes, she did. But she came back from it, more or less okay. Truth be told, I didn't think it was that dark. More of a muddy grey.
Because, evidently in the NJO and beyond, once you go down the dark path, it doesn't forever dominate your destiny or consume you. It just gives you a moment of temporary angst and then you're all better.
I don't think it was a case of just giving her temporary angst and then Jaina was all better. She still struggled afterwards.
However, there is a difference between the long, slow slide to the dark side that Anakin Skywalker walked, and the quick plunge into the dark depths Jaina took. I'm not saying there wasn't good in Anakin, but there was a large selfish streak in him, along with anger and fear issues he never learned to fully deal with. It didn't help that a Sith Lord secretly encouraged his dark side tendencies, undermining the Jedi training. Jaina, though she does has some anger issues (I don't think you can be a Skywalker without them  ), is not selfish. She didn't have a Sith Lord around to prod her deeper into those depths.
Back to the topic at hand though...
I haven't read Legacy of the Force... don't really want to. But I've read some of the Wookiepedia entries... The biggest OOC's in my opinion were Tahira-Veila and Mara.
IMHO, if Mara knew of Jacen messing with her son's memory, she'd be all over him like stink on a skunk! You don't mess with her baby boy like that!
And Tahira... while she had gone a bit loopy temporarily as a result of both losing Anakin and having the Vongforming done to her, she is a strong person. I can't believe she'd be so lost without Anakin she'd want to try bringing him back.
Oh... and don't even get me started on Jacen/Caedeus... JACEN WOULD NEVER TURN!
Sorry, didn't mean to shout. 
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Jade_Pilot
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Maybe it's that Skywalker/Force genetic code or something. It draws them to the dark side, while they desperately try to resist??
I'm still not buying the whole Jacen/Caedus thing. Nope, and I wouldn't even bat an eye if Luke woke up in the morning with Mara singing in the shower!
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Oh... and don't even get me started on Jacen/Caedeus... JACEN WOULD NEVER TURN!
Although I have never read any Star Wars novels which feature Jacen as anything other than a child, I have heard many others say the same thing. Sounds to me like the authors have once again done a wonderful job of forcing the characters into a certain mold where they fit into the story they want to tell - in other words, the exact problem I have had with almost all Star Wars novels after TTT.
Rigil_Kent posted:
Because, evidently in the NJO and beyond, once you go down the dark path, it doesn't forever dominate your destiny or consume you. It just gives you a moment of temporary angst and then you're all better.
Well, obviously Yoda was completely wrong when it comes to his platitudes about forever being lost to the dark side blah, blah, blah. We have a number of examples to the contrary: Anakin, Revan (although his was under special circumstances - come to think of it, I seem to remember Kreia claiming in KotOR II that Revan never actually fell to the dark side, but can you really trust her?) and Luke himself all come to mind.
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I'm still not buying the whole Jacen/Caedus thing. Nope, and I wouldn't even bat an eye if Luke woke up in the morning with Mara singing in the shower!
 I love that idea! Maybe we should start up a petition or something...  I seem to remember someone having something like that in their sig...
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I wouldn't even bat an eye if Luke woke up in the morning with Mara singing in the shower!
It's funny what things crosses one's mind when one is tired and it's late at night. Now I'm wondering if Mara could carry a tune... and if she couldn't, who would be brave enough to say anything about it?
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Well, Alexis, I can't wait until you post that story. 
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Etain posted:
Well, Alexis, I can't wait until you post that story.
I wasn't really planning on writing anything... but now that you mention it, it would be a good humor viggie.
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Alexis_Wingstar posted:
I wouldn't even bat an eye if Luke woke up in the morning with Mara singing in the shower!
It's funny what things crosses one's mind when one is tired and it's late at night. Now I'm wondering if Mara could carry a tune... and if she couldn't, who would be brave enough to say anything about it?
Love it! I think even Simon Cowell would be loath to say something negative.
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Alexis_Wingstar posted:
IMHO, if Mara knew of Jacen messing with her son's memory, she'd be all over him like stink on a skunk! You don't mess with her baby boy like that!
I whole-heartedly agree! As a mom with a 13 year old, I would be all over anyone messing with my son!  When it comes to that momma tiger instinct--be afraid, be very afraid!
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