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lazykbys_left
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RE:Combining the Eras V 2.0 A Time Travel Index and Discussion Thread [confirmed: beta offer]
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on the 4th anniversary of Endor.
Ah, pre-TTT. Gotcha.  In that case, I am definitely available and looking forward to it.
- lazy
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Jedi_Liz
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thanks lazy for volunteering!
BTW, those who have written time travel fics - would I post my fic in Saga even though it begins a few years after Endor? It takes place mostly in the Prequel TimeLine, so I am assuming that I would post in Saga. Just wondering - I don't want to make a mistake once its posted. Of course that won't be for awhile yet cause I've only got one chapter written. And I've got other fics in progress that aren't ready for posting.
Sorry about hijacking the thread!
~ maybe loves time travel stories a bit too much 
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Idrelle_Miocovani
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~ maybe loves time travel stories a bit too much
That's what we want to hear. 
As for your question, I would post it in the Saga as the majority of it is going to take place in the Prequel time line, right? That's what I did for my own time travel fic, whose first three posts take place post-NJO time, but the majority of it is Saga time.
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Jedi_Liz
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is there anyone else that could beta in case lazy doesn't get back to me soon? I sent him part of my story but I don't know if he received it. And I need someone that can help me with the basics of the time travel story.
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Jturtle
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I'd help beta if you like. I'm more familiar with the Saga though I know a little about the Beyond.
PM me please if you want me to beta for you.
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I'd like to see Chewie time travel. As that moon falls he gets snatched out of the time line and becomes a sort of SW-version of a Time cop or Time Lord, you know appearing in the nick of time to make sure that things happen like they should.
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Untitled Epic Rpg Request Stage 1:
This topic I hope will give me a team of dedicated people who like myself enjoy this unique take on that Galaxy Far, Far away....
First of all this project is of EPIC proportions.
It will go through various stages before its even ready thats where You come in. What I'm looking for are a group of experienced writers to help flesh out the multiple stories, backstories and MAIN characters of this Untitled Epic Role-Playing Game.
Ive written very Rough concepts and ideas for this project that need to be polished and refined to more realistic and Star Wars realistic to work. This project is like no other which will take time to fully develop thats why I'm putting this call-out for Writers only for Stage 1 of this project. Any experienced writers who know what I'm trying to go for but also can add their touch as well and must know their Star Wars these are the ERA's that will be in this Epic Rpg. This idea has many influences so hopefully many will understand it from the get go.
Okay here is my idea and you can either pm me or post on here which ever suits you. Thanks in advance.
The Main overall Theme of this Rpg/Story is "What do you do if your allies turn against you?"
My Very Rough Idea......
This idea that has been on my mind for a very longtime.
The Story is that I have developed over the original concept is that we have a clash of era's and in the middle of it is Earth in the cross-fire. There's an artifact that has been laid hidden on Earth since ancient times. The prologue begins with the Apocalypse of Earth. The end of the Gods.
Here is the basic prologue thus far just to give an idea....
The world shook and became engulfed by flames. The gods thunderous cries of rage echoed from above before each one became silenced. Flashes of lightening struck the earth in rapid succession as the fires raged on. The final battle is drawing to an end. Judgement Day. The end of the world.
The once splendour of the gods were lost and all fell into darkness.
940 A.D.
A small boy ran through the fields towards the harbour. The small fishing village was a buzz with activity as visitors from a nearby settlement arrived. It is rumoured that they are warriors from the high clan journeying from a far to seek the weapon of the gods.
The long boats mooring line were thrown over and tied at the dock. Their sails reefed to their mast and oars pulled in. Cheers and chanting came from the men in the boats as they unloaded their cargo and supplies. These men were different from the villagers, they were taller, stronger. Their beards grew long and swayed with the wind. They disembarked the boats and set foot on the dock. Light glittered off their armour of iron worn beneath coats made from animal pelts to keep them warm. The village chief greeted the largest man who acted as leader of the warriors. His helmet was large and intimidating and pulled to the village chief aside.
No one heard what was said but the chief was upset. With the flick of his shoulder, the warrior leader shrugged off his axe and displayed it. The chief bowed his head and left in a hurry.
The mountains that overlook the village was a common place of worship. A legend was pasted down from generation to generation that there was a battle from long ago that took place where they lived. It was a terrible battle that involved the gods as well as men. The ground shook and the mountains sent flames and ash. To prevent the gods from being angry again the villagers built a shrine there to worship.
The warriors only stayed for a week before setting sail again. Before they left they explored the village thoroughly for what they seek but could not find what they were looking for. When the sails could not be seen on the horizon the chief took the path to the mountain summit to the shrine. Inside he prayed before the the artefact displayed on an alter. He looked up after his prayer and cried out in alarm. The alter was empty. The weapon of the Gods missing.
I haven't decided which Mythology to tackle, i am still deciding between either Norse or Egyptian mythologys. Now the key parts to the Supernatural is that it's a nasty God from one of the Mythologys that gets awaken and the other key part is of what can take it down. An artifact,
something like Thor's Hammer or Swords of Athena, etc. The Supernatural force knows this and seeks to control/destroy it before someone uses it against him. No one knows where the artifact is it was last seen around c.900-1000. Earth's side has to race against time to find the artifact or face another apocalypse.
The Star Wars side of the story is that we have the Old Republic Jedi(Prequels) against the New Jedi Order(Vong Period) they somehow get thrust into our galaxy in confusion but they are being under mind from the Supernatural force against the two factions thinking the other is the Sith or influenced by the Sith but there is No Sith at all, because the Imperial Remnant believe the supernatural forces can restore the Empire to it's golden days and are manipulating the GFFA to achieve their goal, undermining the NJO intentions to convince the OJO that they are good and not Sith influenced. While a War is waged against not only on both but also Earth as they are after the artifact to be found. But Earth may look like they are fighting as one cohesive group against the "Alien Forces", not all are united some are under the influence of the 'God/dess' (Supernatural Force) so they may appear working as one but they have something of their own in the works
NJO - New Jedi Order
OJO - Old Republic Jedi Order
GFFA - Galactic Federation of Free Alliances
SFA - Supernatural Force/Allies
EGF - Earth's Global Force
TF - The Fellowship
Now this is where I need Writers to really help me here. I have developed a rough story as to how the OJO end up in our Galaxy but its still very rough in its form.
OJO - Qui-gon is the key here but his controlling things from the nether world of the Force, he picks the Jedi that we see die during Order Sixty-six
but as we saw them getting killed, Qui-gon "snatches" them just before they get killed, basically the Jedi that have gone dark or died during the clone wars right up until Order Sixty-six will be taken by Qui-gon to deal with this unknown threat, which means no Yoda or Obi-Wan as they are the only ones that survive it.
NJO - Very rough concept and we have no rough story for the NJO as of yet only that The OJO could appear because of the Supernatural force 'summons'them. kinda like 'ripping' them out of their dimension along those lines.
But while all this is happening, the core of the whole story and rpg lies with 9 friends from multinational backgrounds that this rpg revolves around. The Concept I've always had on my mind that what if The Force existed in our present day society and various groups example, Shoalin Monks, Religious groups, even atheletes possibly they dont even know it, and even day to day people but they are unaware it is there.
TF - And Nine ordinary friends discover they are Force-Sensitives through traumatic, joyful experiences that will effect them which awaken their dormant powers but some may have already known they have powers while growing up but never could explain how or why but there is a reason which will come into play once they discover their abilities. Like a Force-Ghost or something tells them of why they are chosen and all that and embark on the journey of recovering the lost artifact before the world ends. So they are potential Jedi in-training in a sense as well, so will show their version to the path of a Jedi compared to OJO and the NJO.
The nine close friends will consist of Five male, and Four female, among the group we'll have a brother and sister pair, an ex-girlfriend to one of the friends who is dating another friend that resides within the group adding tension.
But don't worry about the 9 as of now as they will be created by the players who get the roles and it will be created in-game rather then before game only if its necessary before hand and playing as them in the rpg so that is covered by the players but I need writers for the other factions as well as key players if you are interested in joining once it is ready. This will take time but like the saying goes, "Good things come to those who wait."
It will be a unique experience and fun for everyone to help build this project into a reality so I hope you will join if not at least I've tried to bring the idea public.
Reminder: I need writers first and foremost to help tackle the multi-story rpg.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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TimeTravelIndex
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Hi everyone! It’s been an extremely long time since this Index was updated with a new discussion. So, let’s try to get started on a new one! 
Paradoxes! Don’t we all love them?
When writing time travel, do you like to incorporate paradoxes? Is it possible in your time travel stories to have, for example, two Lukes and two Leias? What will happen to Anakin Solo if you send him back into the past and he ends up killing a young Anakin Skywalker?
Such puzzling things to consider! The Grandfather paradox is one of my favourites… what are your thoughts? Do you like to incorporate paradoxes into your time travel stories?
Some information on Paradoxes:
1. The Grandfather Paradox
2. The Predestination Paradox
3. General Information on Paradoxes
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OOOOOH, time travel!! My favorite subject ever!
(where on earth did this thread come from, anyway?) ((was it...the FUTURE??!?  ))
And my favorite aspect of time travel: the Paradox!
In my view, there is one major thing that needs to be addressed by an author prior to writing a time travel story. That thing is: is this story's timeline Causal, Rigid, or in Flux?
In a Causal timeline, there are never paradoxes, because everything that happens is meant to happen. Your attempt to travel back in time to stop the war, causes the war. Your friend's attempt to travel back in time to stop the war in a more subtle way, inspires the guy who eventually creates the currently existing government. Poetic justice, futility, and all that.
In a Rigid timeline, there are also no paradoxes, becuase any attempt to travel back in time causes a new timeline to branch off from the old one. None of your changes, therefore, affect the reality you left behind (though you'll never know this because you'll be travelling into the other future thinking it's your own present). Think Back to the Future 2, where the Doc is explaining how the alternate 1985 they're stuck in came to be. The difference being that that movie ran on the naive belief that you could actually put yourself back into your original timeline. This is, of course, impossible. Any futher changes you make, for better or worse, will simply drop you into yet another new timeline.
In a timeline that's in Flux, you can have paradoxes, because there's no way to stop you from going back in time and killing the guy who invented the time machine in the first place. In such a timeline, if that were to happen...
...let's not think about it.
 
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Jedi_Liz
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would a paradox be like "in the future, Han and Leia are married" and then "in the past, they change something that makes it possible that Leia might not meet Han"? Or is it more like in Back to the Future II where younger Jennifer encountered her older self and passed out?
also, does anyone think that "Shadows of the Past" be a good title for a time travel fic?
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Idrelle_Miocovani
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Ah! Just when I thought I was going to have to update the thread, it jumped out at me from... the past. Or the future. Or whatever.
Jedi_Liz, a paradox in time travel would be something more like Luke and Leia going back in time to save Anakin, but then they are born and so then we have two Lukes and two Leias. So more like the Back to the Future II thing. Although, I have to admit that I've never seen Back to the Future.
Oh, and Shadows of the Past works excellently as a title.
1Yodiumus_Prime -- thank you so much for that interesting information on paradoxes.
In a timeline that's in Flux, you can have paradoxes, because there's no way to stop you from going back in time and killing the guy who invented the time machine in the first place. In such a timeline, if that were to happen... let's not think about it.
Ahhhh! That gave me a headache.
If you went back in time and killed the guy who invented your time machine, would you then disappear? Would the time machine disappear? Would you be stuck?
Agh! 
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Yeah, I had one of those in To Cast Away Stones, innocuously done. The closing scene involved Leia sitting around with Bail, Breha, Luke and Han and holding baby Leia. It also appears in Frequency, where Jim Caveziel is speaking to himself over the ham radio.
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Paradoxes don't appear in "Primer". Which is a brilliant but hopelessly confusing time travel movie.
Liz: both of those examples are types of paradoxes. Idrelle explained the bttf one pretty well (especially well, considering she's never seen the film!). It's the problem of exponential redundency. If you do something stupid, and then go back in time and warn yourself not to do that...which "you" are you?
The other one is the grandfather paradox. Ex: "if you go back in time and kill your grandfather as a young man, would you cease to exist?" which is promptly answered 'no' because you must exist in order to kill him...but then it become a 'yes', because killing him keeps you from being born. Hence the multiple timeline workaround I suggested. In that timeline, killing him merely creates a new timeline, unique from the one you came from.
Ish has also given us a paradox: the causal paradox! my favorite one. This is the one where you gather up all of Shakespeare's greatest works, go back in time, and hand them all to a down-and-out Elizebethan bard working at the Globe theatre by the name of Will. Loop! Bill and Ted exploited the paradox constantly to get out of tight jams.
So uh...there ya go.
Rule of thumb when pondering over whether or not something involving time travel is a paradox: if it hurts your head...it probably is.
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Rule of thumb when pondering over whether or not something involving time travel is a paradox: if it hurts your head...it probably is.
Best piece of advice I've heard all day.
I tend to get headaches from thinking about my own time travel fic very often.
1Yodimus_Prime posted:
Liz: both of those examples are types of paradoxes. Idrelle explained the bttf one pretty well (especially well, considering she's never seen the film!).
I guess it's time to admit that I've only seen/read three things (from movies and TV) that involves time travel -- Doctor Who, Timeline and The Time Machine.
1Yodimus_Prime posted:
It's the problem of exponential redundency. If you do something stupid, and then go back in time and warn yourself not to do that...which "you" are you?
I've run into that problem before when writing a few stories that will never be posted. I remember sorting one of them out (somewhat) by writing it in first person. It helped make it slightly less confusing.
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my fic I've mentioned - I can't remember if I asked this before - since the fic will take place mostly during prequel times, but starts at 4 years after ROTJ, it would still be posted in Saga, right?
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