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Corran_Fett Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/8 7:48am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	MsLanna posted: Not that i am certain what 'the Mando way' would be. I consider soemthing like that battle circle (dran, lost the name of that) or something. Depends on whether it is a full-scale battle (with a battlefield) or a smaller skirmish. In a big battle, I doubt that it ever gets down to Mando vs. Mando, because there must be other fighters involved as well. And I don't think it comes down to a battle circle, either... the job's got to be about money, not about honor. Everybody wants to live and see the day, rather than lose in a duel. Because deciding the course of a battle on which side was lucky to get the more skilled close combat Mando on their payroll is doubtful, imho. I think they always keep the "just a job" spirit, unless they personally know one of the opposing merc team. MsLanna posted: And something about making sure the fallen Mandos got their families informed or something, even if they fought on the other side. Now that is probably the harder part. I think once the mercenary work gets personal, it becomes veeeery problematic for everyone involved. A faceless group of Mandos battling a faceless other group, I don't think any Mando should have much problems with that. But once you know who the Mando behind the visor is, you can't just go to his family and say "hey, sorry, I killed your son/husband on that assignment". Even if in general Mandos fighting vs. Mandos is accepted by most people, I doubt the relative of a lost one wouldn't want revenge if the murderer of said lost one showed up to tell them. I know, it sounds a bit weird, but I hope you can get my point.^^ Roain_Xantos posted: Iight, so I've got this chronic writer's block, and can't seem to find a cure. Any ideas? Su'cuy, Roain'ika. A quite literal "so you're still alive" Welcome Back! As for your question. Find inspiration. A book, a movie, a show, another fanfic... you may get inspired, get an ingenious idea, and will start writing right away. Or of course, participate in a challenge. Or check the last few pages if there's anything that inspires you. -----signature----- The other side of the NJO, featuring Mandalorians, Vong, and Peace Brigaders in a thrillride full of betrayal and intrigue... When Few Stood Against Many \| http://boards.theforce.net/b/b10477/25253415/ - http://corranfett.deviantart.com -
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/8 8:47am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Depends on whether it is a full-scale battle (with a battlefield) or a smaller skirmish. In a big battle, I doubt that it ever gets down to Mando vs. Mando, because there must be other fighters involved as well. And I don't think it comes down to a battle circle, either... the job's got to be about money, not about honor. Everybody wants to live and see the day, rather than lose in a duel. Because deciding the course of a battle on which side was lucky to get the more skilled close combat Mando on their payroll is doubtful, imho. I think they always keep the "just a job" spirit, unless they personally know one of the opposing merc team. In a full-fledged battle, it's shoot or die. Since I plan a civil war with lots of guerilla fighting going on, I'd say there'd be a lot of smaller skirmishes. And I would not have my Mandos so blockheaded that they simply fight it out against their own instead of finding a sensible way around. It would not be deciding a battle, anyway but having one group retreat before anybody gets killed. (And there will be times when the opposing teams do know each other, too...) Things could be less fromal than a battle circle, but so far, I have come up with no good solution. Fight it out with a ban on severe injuries and death? Have a duel of some kind? have the leaders of a group be the champion automatically, but make the choic of weapons random? Now that is probably the harder part. I think once the mercenary work gets personal, it becomes veeeery problematic for everyone involved. A faceless group of Mandos battling a faceless other group, I don't think any Mando should have much problems with that. But once you know who the Mando behind the visor is, you can't just go to his family and say "hey, sorry, I killed your son/husband on that assignment". Even if in general Mandos fighting vs. Mandos is accepted by most people, I doubt the relative of a lost one wouldn't want revenge if the murderer of said lost one showed up to tell them. I like complicated. And it's just one of the problems I'd like to explore. Because somebody has to tell the family 'hey, one of us just killed your mother/fatehr/child.' And I did not think of making them go in person, more like sending the remains back home. There was something about being buried at home, or am I mixing cultures here? I'm not very versed in warfare, so I don't know how things look after a battle and who takes care of the fallen. Somebody should, though, IMO. I know that there is this mercenay side to Mandos, but I want my characters to be the ones having to face the problems that brings. How do you deal with it? What are the consequences? What, if you found your neighbour has signed up for the other side? Just because you go and fight for money, even against other Mandos, that does not mean you're at peace with the decision. Maybe all my charactres will turn out to be schizos in the end. Here's hoping I'm making any sense. One of the problems is that the decidion by duel is something I'd rather like to have for the story. Oh, it it's any help, the time frame is sometime between TTT and NJO. -----signature----- Padawan owned by Corellian_Ale Master of CloneCaptainRex. Proud FanFic Master of Darth_Sathanos Why so serious? Accidentally e-married to sinre?
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Corran_Fett Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/8 9:15am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	MsLanna posted: Things could be less fromal than a battle circle, but so far, I have come up with no good solution. Fight it out with a ban on severe injuries and death? Have a duel of some kind? have the leaders of a group be the champion automatically, but make the choic of weapons random? Somehow I can't picture it like that. Here's what I think: the two meets finally confront each other, as going another way/looking away has become impossible. So the team that thinks is in advantage like says "Here's the deal, we're gonna win anyway, we don't want you vode to die trying to stop us. Last chance to retreat." Now it depends on the overall situation how the other team reacts. Retreat doesn't always imply cowardice. If the team in disadvantage realized that their clients don't stand a chance to win in the civil war, they know they can't get paid, so they'll back down. If however, they still see a chance of victory, then it's a "No way, you won't get passed us, even if we die trying. We're worth our money, not hut'uune backing down." Instead of a battle cirle, I think at that point, some sort of big and lethal brawl will start. Like two groups of hooligans that favor different football/rugby teams clashing on each other, just minus the alcohol involved. That's how I think such a fight would play out, a "free-for-all" brawl with no rules, just everyone fighting for their survival. Everyone had their chance to back down, if they don't, then a high-casualties slaughter can't be avoided. Mandos aren't noble knights, they're fierce mercs who fight dirty, at least by the OT-time. If you wanna write post-KotOR era, it's another story completely. In that case, a battle circle still might be possible. But since we're talking about paid mercenary armies, there won't be a "commander vs commander" duel that decides who wins and who has to leave. Of course, all just my opinion of that. MsLanna posted: I like complicated. And it's just one of the problems I'd like to explore. Because somebody has to tell the family 'hey, one of us just killed your mother/fatehr/child.' And I did not think of making them go in person, more like sending the remains back home. There was something about being buried at home, or am I mixing cultures here? I'm not very versed in warfare, so I don't know how things look after a battle and who takes care of the fallen. Somebody should, though, IMO. Good call here, the anonymous "sending armor home" should work great. No sending remains, Mandos don't bury their fallen ones... only the Mandalores get buried. MsLanna posted: I know that there is this mercenay side to Mandos, but I want my characters to be the ones having to face the problems that brings. How do you deal with it? What are the consequences? What, if you found your neighbour has signed up for the other side? Just because you go and fight for money, even against other Mandos, that does not mean you're at peace with the decision. Maybe all my charactres will turn out to be schizos in the end. Yes, I bet there would be a lot of moral problems for the Mandos, they do have a conscience after all. That's why I doubt that when they personally know one of the opposing Mandos (neighbor or friend), they probably would try their best not to kill them. Incapaciate or injure, perhaps, that they can't fight this battle any longer, but not kill. -----signature----- The other side of the NJO, featuring Mandalorians, Vong, and Peace Brigaders in a thrillride full of betrayal and intrigue... When Few Stood Against Many \| http://boards.theforce.net/b/b10477/25253415/ - http://corranfett.deviantart.com -
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/8 1:54pm Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	You give me quite a lot to think about, good thing I have all weekend to do so. Okay, no burying, makes everything a lot easier. Hrm, I need three duel scenes already and all are somewhat important. Once, the groups run into each other by chance, second time their leaders know each other and third time- oh well, it's all complicated. I will consider the mercenary side some more and be back. Maybe it's just me who can't understand that you would just fight/kill somebody if there was a way to avoid it. -----signature----- Padawan owned by Corellian_Ale Master of CloneCaptainRex. Proud FanFic Master of Darth_Sathanos Why so serious? Accidentally e-married to sinre?
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Roain_Xantos Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/8 5:15pm Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion-- - Date Edited: 3/8 5:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Roain_Xantos
	MsLanna posted: You could try to help me come up with 'the Mando way' to solve things when they meet in battle? Or I could brew you a nice little challenge. Hmm...das ist possibile. But no challenge!! >_< Corran_Fett posted: Su'cuy, Roain'ika. A quite literal "so you're still alive" Welcome Back! As for your question. Find inspiration. A book, a movie, a show, another fanfic... you may get inspired, get an ingenious idea, and will start writing right away. Or of course, participate in a challenge. Or check the last few pages if there's anything that inspires you. It seems so. Hrm...maybe I'll freewrite something tonight. I never seem to do well with challenges. Things always come out really immature-sounding. Random question possibly having something to do with what I may write: could Mandos get lost in a snowstorm? Oh, and where would one find a idk...colony or settlement of Mandos? I mean like, besides Dxun and around the Saga. I can't write pre- or post-saga for some reason. Roain <>< -----signature----- Little Miss Fem Mando Jacen Solo is in serious need of a swift kick in the shebs! Ke barjurir gar'ade, jagyc'ade kot'la a dalyc'ade kotla'shya. VaderLVR64's Padawan and ShadowofLures and Shadowfax_'s E-sister Glory, glory, Man United!
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Corran_Fett Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/8 5:24pm Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Roain_Xantos posted: Random question possibly having something to do with what I may write: could Mandos get lost in a snowstorm? Oh, and where would one find a idk...colony or settlement of Mandos? 1 - I doubt it, unless he has also lost his helmet (sensors). Unless the storm is severely heavy, the helmet sensors would allow enhanced vision (thermal or something). 2 - We don't really know, by the time of pre-LotF, there's more than 5 million Mandos in diaspora in the galaxy, small communities everywhere. One is on Nar Shaddaa, but I'm sure you can find 'em on various other planets as well, depending on the size of the planet, colonies/settlements are possible, though I doubt they're really big, nothing more the size of a small village perhaps. Hope I could help, good luck with the writing. I'm off to bed now. -----signature----- The other side of the NJO, featuring Mandalorians, Vong, and Peace Brigaders in a thrillride full of betrayal and intrigue... When Few Stood Against Many \| http://boards.theforce.net/b/b10477/25253415/ - http://corranfett.deviantart.com -
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A_Tout_ner_Vode Registered: Mar '08	Date Posted: 3/9 1:28am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Aliit liser jorhaa'ir Mando'a, however poorly it might be. (Side note: I use "aliit" for "I," since the lexicon lists "identity" for its definiton) Anyway, I was wondering: What were the Mandos doing in the Yuuzhan Vong War? I know they fought against them, but how did they fare in general? Did they do well in the war? Also, what did Boba do during and after the fighting? I've got a nice storyline thought up, but I'm not sure how to work it in without knowing more about all that. -----signature----- I'm not going away/ I'm not going/Try so hard to break me but all/your diamonds turn to sand! A Tout le Monde/A tout mes amis/Je vous aime/Je dois partir... "Not all soldiers wear uniforms." - Darman
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 3/9 6:51am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	kebbu ibic, A_Tout_ner_Vode, and IIRC, I is 'ni'? It might be interesting to see what it takes to have Mandos lost in a snow storm, Roain. There's probably more story behind the reason for that than in being lost itself. -----signature----- Padawan owned by Corellian_Ale Master of CloneCaptainRex. Proud FanFic Master of Darth_Sathanos Why so serious? Accidentally e-married to sinre?
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Roain_Xantos Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/9 12:51pm Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Corran_Fett posted: 1 - I doubt it, unless he has also lost his helmet (sensors). Unless the storm is severely heavy, the helmet sensors would allow enhanced vision (thermal or something). 2 - We don't really know, by the time of pre-LotF, there's more than 5 million Mandos in diaspora in the galaxy, small communities everywhere. One is on Nar Shaddaa, but I'm sure you can find 'em on various other planets as well, depending on the size of the planet, colonies/settlements are possible, though I doubt they're really big, nothing more the size of a small village perhaps. Hope I could help, good luck with the writing. I'm off to bed now. Hmm...or his sensors were shab'la or something? Darn these nonsensical plot bunnies! So basically, I could stick 'em wherever I wanted? MsLanna posted: kebbu ibic, A_Tout_ner_Vode, and IIRC, I is 'ni'? It might be interesting to see what it takes to have Mandos lost in a snow storm, Roain. There's probably more story behind the reason for that than in being lost itself. Yes, 'ni' means I. Oh, there's a couple of things I'm thinking about as far as the getting lost bit. I think it may be coming from this eight or so inches I've been trudging through for the past two days. Roain <>< -----signature----- Little Miss Fem Mando Jacen Solo is in serious need of a swift kick in the shebs! Ke barjurir gar'ade, jagyc'ade kot'la a dalyc'ade kotla'shya. VaderLVR64's Padawan and ShadowofLures and Shadowfax_'s E-sister Glory, glory, Man United!
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 5/24 1:41am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Okay, so I found somebody who fits my idea of a Mando rather well, not sure how good a Mando he actually is, though. Kal Skirata. I like the way he considers all Mandos to be 'his own', and still fights them if necessary; even kills them. (Yes, I am still grappling with the fact that Mandos just kill each other. ) So, how common would that kind of attitude be? -----signature----- Padawan owned by Corellian_Ale Master of CloneCaptainRex. Proud FanFic Master of Darth_Sathanos Why so serious? Accidentally e-married to sinre?
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Gratulor Registered: May '08	Date Posted: 6/8 4:38am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion-- - Date Edited: 6/8 5:08am (2 edits total) Edited By: Gratulor
	My theory on that issue is that they wouldn't kill each other if there wasn't the Cuy'val dar. I'm sure the Protectors saw that as an act of betrayal, fighting for another government than their own when in a war and disobeying the call of the Mand'alor. I think that's a pretty valid reason, and I think Kal realizes that what he's doing can be seen as very treacherous to the other Mandalorians. A character of mine is a former Death Watchman, and so a lot of his peers see him as a demoralized man and some avoid him. But as he followed the Mand'alor to war in the Clone Wars, the trust in him strengthened as he's doing something for the Mandalorian people as a whole - Defend the clan, and rally to the cause of Mand'alor when called to arms. He wouldn't think twice before killing a Cuy'val dar though, as he sees that as the ultimate act of betrayal to the Mandalorian people, to train the enemy war machine. Just as others wouldn't think twice before killing a Death Watchman in the Civil War. That's at least how I see it, but that's based on how the average Mando would think. I'd say pretty common after the Mandalorian Wars, when the Mandalorians began hiring out their skills to the highest bidder. Prior to that, they had a common agenda they followed and didn't question that. - Just noticed one reply, and had to add to this body. By the Sith War, the Mandies were a lot more brutal and didn't see anything wrong in spilling blood of outsiders as long as they fought back. It was considered honour back then to fight in a battle against an enemy that would have the odds with them. They worshiped war, of course - using a set of morals called the canons of honour, using alongside the resol'nare no doubt. By the Mandalorian Wars, there were only a handful of Taungs left - and so they had to begin recruiting from outside sources. They took in volunteers and children left on the battlefield. Also, Mandalorians of that time never had prisoners and didn't take them - they only had dead enemies or new additions. That would include everything from businessmen to farmers to criminals. They were violent crusaders who showed no mercy. If the enemy wouldn't fight head on and honourably, they would wipe out the planet population. Eventually, the Taungs died out - showing how their canons supported the species. After the war, however, they were disbanded and scattered everywhere - and they began adopting new way of life as Mercenaries. That's when they began to change completely. So no, they weren't at any time moral in our sense of the word - they always were violent and brutal. If anything, they developed a much more acceptable way of life after that war, and much more outsider friendly. -----signature----- "Allir fara, þá feigðin kallar. "
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moosemousse Title: CR - FF:UK South Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 8/15 9:32am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	I have something to ponder. I've been talking to someone who has a mishappen Mando figure, one of the legs is slightly too short. If it was a real Mando we speculated that one leg could be too short because they lost a leg in battle and the only false leg they could get was the wrong lenght. But what kind of Mando would that be, and how would they lose their leg? -----signature----- Vader's Mousedroid Society Fanfic links in my bio My fan art: http://boards.theforce.net/fan_art/b10020/26961879/ when infected with Small Child the victim continues to swell for nine months before the infection can be safely removed
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 8/22 10:26am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion-- - Date Edited: 8/22 10:37am (3 edits total) Edited By: Robimus
	Here's my first addition, soon to be updated with a trip to Mandalore. Title: Tarfang and the City of Lost Jedi Author: Robimus Timeframe: 43 ABY Characters: Tarfang, Jae Juun, Baltan Carid, Natasi Daala, Kyp Durron + Locations: Corucant, Mandalore+ Genre: A little of this, a little of that Mando words: Buir=Father Aruetiise=foreigner Osik'la=Screwed up Kad=Sword Keldabe=Principle City of Mandalore * A little touch of "R" rated stuff in chapter 1. Be warned. Linky below.... http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28872356&brd=10477&replies=0 Edit: MsLanna, are your wonderful Haleen Stories linked in here ? Cause if they aren't they should be. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you?
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MsLanna Title: CR GSFF Central Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/25 3:03am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	Yeah, somebody write that story please. I wonder, too. Rob, Haleen is about clones, not Mandos. A fine distinction but important? Maybe once the war is over... If everything goes according to plan, Haleen will end up Mando for sure. I just have to make sure Ms. Traviss doesn't kill the guy I chose for her. -----signature----- Padawan owned by Corellian_Ale Master of CloneCaptainRex. Proud FanFic Master of Darth_Sathanos Why so serious? Accidentally e-married to sinre?
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 8/25 3:11am Subject: RE: All Helmet, No Head - The Mandalorian Discussion Group and Index---New stories, new discussion--
	MsLanna..... Well, OK then. . But I am of the Kal Skirata mindset on the issue, however much I dislike the old atin buir . The choice is yours, of course. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you?
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