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Persephone_Kore
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5/21 9:52am
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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Heh. I'm always kind of happy when I see somebody submitted in HTML.
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Pallas-Athena
Title: TFN Fan Fiction Archive Editor
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5/22 1:13am
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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I prefer html for three reasons: 1. Editor, hello. If it gets accepted, most of my work is done  (the editors have to code a fic for archival). 2. No download/wait for Word to open. 3. I can access it on my DS when I'm away from my computer.
Of course, Word files do let you do that nifty track and show changes thing, which is nice when I want to send authors notes
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LLL
Title: TFN Fan Fiction Archive Editor
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5/22 5:38pm
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BUT, if the code comes in different from what we need to put up, such as []'s instead of <>'s, you have to go in and change all that anyway, so it doesn't really save much time.
Gabri always sends hers coded. She's such a good soul. 
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ardavenport
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5/22 5:47pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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I've had a couple of issues with beta-requests lately.
I LOOOOOOOOOVE beta-readers; I really appreciate their generous help, but in response to a request for beta-reading I have gotten:
- one e-mail reply with a blank subject line. Those are almost always deleted as spam from my mailbox and it's just luck that I caught it.
- one e-mail reply that was so short, "I'll read your fic," that I couldn't tell which beta request it was for. Or even that the person was replying from a request from the tf.n Archive.
Are there guidelines for beta-readers replying? Is there any automatic way for the initial request to be pasted into the reply so you can see which request it is for?
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Pallas-Athena
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5/22 9:26pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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The beta reader list is an use at your own risk service. It's focus is to put the author in contact with a large group of people that said they might be interested in betaing so as to increase the chances of finding a good match. Because of its size, it would be impossible to maintain any rules.
If you find you're having trouble, you could ask in your request that people put something specific in their reply's subject line, like the story title or "Beta reader from tf.n" etc.
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ardavenport
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5/23 7:47pm
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Hmmmmmm, sensible idea. Perhaps that, or a suggested beta request form might be added to the beta reading page?
I've gotten conflicting feedback about commas on reviews for the same story. Sometimes its too many commas, sometimes too few. While I don't think that stories are rejected for commas, the conflicting feedback is daunting. Does the Archive have a preferred style for things like commas.
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NYCitygurl
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5/23 7:57pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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And the fanfic beta index, while small, has people who are generally willing to beta for the archive.
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Pallas-Athena
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5/23 8:12pm
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After looking around, I found that wiki has a pretty good section on comma usage. But this is of course the "standard" usage that you would want to mostly keep in mind when writing academically. Creative writing is naturally going to be a bit freer. In fic, an author could use or not use commas to alter the pacing of a sentence and create narrative effect.
That's not to say that comma placement can be incorrect or lacking where it needs to be. But, often commas are used for flair and give sort of, I don't know, texture to writing:
He's a droid, obviously, and not a very good one, at that.
He's obviously a droid and not a very good one.
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Persephone_Kore
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5/23 8:55pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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Commas are tricky; one memorable list of rules for them ended with, basically, "Put one in wherever it's needed to make the meaning and flow of the sentence better."
In some cases, it's pretty subjective how many commas you need to make things "work." One possibility if you're getting some people saying there are too many and others too few, though, is to look at whether you're using the same type of optional comma in some places but not in others.
For instance, the "Oxford comma" is a well defined one: do you sometimes write "this, that, and the other thing" and at other times "this, that and the other thing"? You'll have some people telling you to do it one way and some the opposite, but if you switch back and forth, you'll create a sense of inconsistency. In that case, even people who recognize both as acceptable might respond by saying there are too many or too few.
A more drastic example would be asymmetrical comma use, for instance if you set off only one side of an appositive phrase. *thinks*
"Luke Skywalker, son of Darth Vader, strode forth." This is fine.
"Luke Skywalker son of Darth Vader strode forth." This is also fine. It may be a little harder to process for some of your readers, but it's grammatically acceptable; it suggests that "son of Darth Vader" is not an incidental or supplementary part of the sentence, as in the first example, but treats it almost as part of his name -- as much a patronymic as the "Skywalker" name itself.
"Luke Skywalker, son of Darth Vader strode forth."
"Luke Skywalker son of Darth Vader, strode forth." Either of these, however, is going to throw people off.
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DarthIshtar
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5/23 10:37pm
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The Oxford comma was a major issue for me today when I was doing a typing test and by the laws of grammar that got me a 99% on the ACT grammar section, there were too many commas in there.
Get the archive fixed! We're in a comma here!
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Pallas-Athena
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5/23 10:52pm
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Oxford commas are just as acceptable at the archive as not using one is. That's one rule we have I can clearly give you. Sometimes I think using them may even been preferable.
Han glanced over at the twins, Jaina and Jacen.
Han glanced over at the twins, Jaina, and Jacen.
Those two sentences have different meanings that can only be seen if you use oxford commas regularly in your fics (the second example refers to four people: a set of twins - Luke and Leia, say - along with Jacen and Jaina, whereas the first is naming the set of twins as Jaina and Jacen).
I prefer the oxford comma for this reason, but I don't reject for not using them (because it's still correct, and vice versa, a reviewer can't reject for using them). However, one thing about using it is that usage should be consistent within the fic - you can't decide to use it one place and not another - that will count as a grammar error.
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DarthIshtar
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5/23 10:58pm
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That in that context makes perfect sense.
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TFN_Archive_Sock
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5/24 3:08pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread - please don't submit (yeah, really; see last post)
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The upload ability is back up and running, hence we can accept submissions again.
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DarthIshtar
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5/24 8:09pm
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RE: The Official TFN Archive Thread: working again :-)
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Don't jinx it!
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Update, May 31, 2008:
May was not an entirely merry month for the Archive, given the server trouble we had earlier, but we've recovered and are able to present to you a fetching, if humble, update.
Please take the time to enjoy:  Master by VaderLVR64
When you're done with that, please vote in our new poll:
Who is your favorite villain to read/write? Dooku
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