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Gabri_Jade
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RE: LEGACY (comics) Index and Discussion - Issue #26 is here!
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That makes a lot of sense. 
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divapilot
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Yes, that explanation does make a lot of sense. I guess having lived her whole life with that capability, she can adapt to it, too, so it isn't constantly interferring with her. I was thinking about the Wookieepedia entry on Zeltrons where it said that negative emotions were physically uncomfortable, so they tried to have only positve emotions around them.
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RebelGrrl
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I can see where negative emotions would have such an effect. But any Zeltron off-world would have to develop a 'thicker skin'. Zeltros is a pretty positive-emotion place, but the rest of the galaxy sure isn't! 
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divapilot
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RebelGrrl posted:
Zeltros is a pretty positive-emotion place, but the rest of the galaxy sure isn't!
True. It can get pretty whiney out here. 
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RebelGrrl
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8/14 8:51am
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 Skywalker males seem whine enough for the whole galaxy. Odd, then, how Zeltrons seem to be so attracted to them!
[joke]Perhaps Zeltrons are some sort of galactic T-cell, attempting to mop up the whining by trying to make them happy... or at least exhausted. [/joke]
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Jedi Trace
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I picked up a copy of the "Classic" volume #7 at a comic book con last weekend and it has the end of the Marvel run. I'd seen pics but never read those issues before and lemme tell you, the antics on Zeltros had me cracking up!! Between the members of court propositioning Artoo and Threepio (no lie!) and swinging from the chandeliers (literally! swinging from chandeliers), Deliah is a choir girl compared to her predecessors. (Then again, not a whole lot of time to party when you're on the run or captured by Sith, lol.)
Back to your story, diva, another thing I thought of is that, in addition to being empathetic, Zeltrons can also project feelings. I'm pretty sure we've seen that in Legacy when Cade tell her that she "takes the dark away." It'd be interesting to see if that ever came into play while working - y'know, maybe to subdue or charm a target?
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RebelGrrl
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It's their pheromones which are the 'projection' part. We see Deliah using them on a doorman in Legacy, just prior to the crew first apprehending Hosk.
Empathy = reception
Pheromones = projection
Pheromones work like they do for Falleen. I'll stop there before I go on my rant about how Zeltrons were invented first...
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Jedi Trace
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RE: LEGACY (comics) Index and Discussion - Issue #27 is here!
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Issue 27 is out! Lots o' spooky, Sithly stuff. 
Rebellion 16/Vector 8 also hit stands the same day and, speaking of Zeltrons, was it just me or did Celeste look pink? Yeah, I know it was probably the dark/nighttime lighting, but I swear she looked for all the world like a Zeltron. Maybe her pet Raks are wearing off on her.
Since we don't have a general comics thread (or, I guess this is it for Vector), I hope y'all don't mind if I vent for a minute about Rebellion.  *spoilers* Celeste says she senses darkness in Luke. Now, if we were talking about post-ROTJ Luke, yeah sure. But this is post-ANH fresh from the farm Luke. What the hell is "dark" about him? The fact that he's a Skywalker? If so, why didn't she sense that Leia was "dark"? Cuz that Sith Talisman sure went straight for Leia's neck, not Luke's.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get the Skywalker blood = Dark Side thing. The Dark Side is not a genetic disorder. There aren't little Vader helmets floating around in Skywalker sperm. (Or, if there are, then those boys need to see a urologist - STAT. )
I can understand Anakin having inner "darkness." Physical abuse and childhood slavery will mess anyone up. Cade, well, we know that boy's got problems - some of them understandable and some of them of his own making.
But pre-TESB Luke?? 
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RebelGrrl
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Jedi Trace posted:
Since we don't have a general comics thread (or, I guess this is it for Vector), I hope y'all don't mind if I vent for a minute about Rebellion. *spoilers* Celeste says she senses darkness in Luke. Now, if we were talking about post-ROTJ Luke, yeah sure. But this is post-ANH fresh from the farm Luke. What the hell is "dark" about him? The fact that he's a Skywalker? If so, why didn't she sense that Leia was "dark"? Side note - that Sith Talisman went straight for Leia's neck, not Luke's.
Luke does have great potential for darkness even this far back. He's prone to rash action, revenge, and heavily uncontrolled emotional responses. He doesn't have the same level of self-discipline and control that Leia had drilled into her by her political career. Plus, although it was a legitimate military target, not so long ago Luke used the Force to assist him with destroying the Death Star. I would think being responsible for the loss of that number of lives, when the Light Side is about preserving life, would be enough for just a little Dark Side taint. He does feel guilty despite the necessity, and guilt eats at the soul until it can be absolved or reconciled. How does one absolve oneself of or reconcile causing (necessarily) death at that level when one has probably not killed anything more sentient than a womp rat previously? It's a hard road to come to peace with that. I don't think we get to see enough of that road from Luke. I mean, innocent farm boy just killed thousands of people to preserve trillions of other people. That's a huge thing to deal with. He's also full of doubt in himself and his abilities.
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TNPredsFan
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8/29 6:13am
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Jedi Trace posted:
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't get the Skywalker blood = Dark Side thing. The Dark Side is not a genetic disorder. There aren't little Vader helmets floating around in Skywalker sperm. (Or, if there are, then those boys need to see a urologist - STAT. )
Ok, that mental image made me spit coffee all over my monitor.
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karebear214
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Not to mention the people who raised him were just murdered.
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Jedi Trace
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*nods*
I agree that Luke has a lot to deal with, but I guess my thing is that I've just never seen him as being inherently dark, which was the impression that I got from Celeste's line. I suppose it boils down to a nature vs. nurture issue: if Luke is struggling with Darkness, is it because of what has happened to him/what he's done or is it because of who he is on the inside?
Or maybe I'm just reading way too much into it.
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RebelGrrl
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This is the way I view it. With great power, comes great potential. Luke has great power and great potential, inherit as his birthright. It's how the events and circumstances of his life mold him that determine if that power and potential is for Light or Dark. It was the same way for his father.
Luke is not inherently Dark any more than Anakin was. However, struggles with the Dark Side seem to be in proportion to one's power potential. The more power you can command, the more temptation you face. That has to do both nature and nurture in combination. The most powerful Jedi in Luke's Order, for example, are those Jedi who were most severely tested by the Dark Side.
The Old Order at some point after the Ruusan Reformation decided to attempt to avoid all temptation.
So, Luke struggles with the Dark Side because of the power he has inherited, the circumstances where he has little to no guidance, and being embroiled in a civil war.
Leia is not engaged in the same struggle at this point in time because the power inherent within her has not been awakened. She doesn't have the key to the same Pandora's Box that Luke has unlocked. By the time she does turn that key, she has far more support and stability than Luke had.
For the Dark Side to be 'genetic', Celeste would have to make the same comment about Leia as she does Luke, if that is what she meant.
Or I'm over-analyzing. 
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Legacy_Index
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[housekeeping]Three new stories added to the Index[/housekeeping]
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Jedi Trace
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RE: LEGACY (comics) Index and Discussion - Issue #27 is here!
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RebelGrrl: I don't think you're over-analyzing and I pretty much agree with you, especially these parts:
However, struggles with the Dark Side seem to be in proportion to one's power potential. The more power you can command, the more temptation you face. That has to do both nature and nurture in combination. The most powerful Jedi in Luke's Order, for example, are those Jedi who were most severely tested by the Dark Side.
So, Luke struggles with the Dark Side because of the power he has inherited, the circumstances where he has little to no guidance, and being embroiled in a civil war.
That's a good assessment/summary of the situation, I think, and also a good explanation as to why Cade keeps having to deal with Light/Dark side issues in spite of his apparent determination not to be labeled a Jedi or a Sith.
I'll say one more thing and then I'll shut up about it, but a lot of my frustration with the Skywalker = Dark mentality came from all that stuff in Tatooine Ghost about Leia's struggle over whether or not she should have children, because of her father's blood, or however she said it. It just bugged me, especially since she'd already made peace with Anakin back in Truce at Bakura.
[Threepio voice] "Shutting up, sir." [/]
Preview for Legacy 28 is up!
Aaaaaand, here we go into Vector! I'm guessing there will be a bit of a recap in this issue to introduce the Legacy characters for the Vector-only readers and, in spite of disappointment with recent events in Vector, I'm excited.
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