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The_Jedi_Index Registered: May '06	Date Posted: 7/9 5:38pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - What Do Jedi Eat?
	Hmmmmmm, I don't know if Yoda's cookies would be all that tasty. Too many bugs maybe? The Parthenon had a discussion about Masters and Padawans and their relationship. And I was wondering what others thought about that? I picture their relationship to be something between parent/child/family and soldier/comrades. The one-on-one teacher-student relationship is very rare in this world, but that is how Jedi are trained/raised. -----signature----- <<< Sock of The Jedi Way >>>
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Darthbane2007 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 7/11 9:27am Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	I guess it would all depend on experience. Anybody have a definate answer as to the number of Jedi that were in the OJO? The only indication of the actual number is in the ROTS novel, which stated that the archives was said to contain journals/records of over a billion knights since the OJO was founded, more or less.
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ardavenport Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/11 5:11pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Oooooh, I loooove numbers questions. Now, for my fics I just use an estimate of 10,000 Jedi for prequel times, or at most tens of thousands. But one could make an educated guess based on 1 billion Jedi over a 25,000 year history of the Jedi Order - that being the generally accepted EU time that the Jedi Order has been around. Assuming an average term of service of a Jedi being 50 years, dividing 25,000 by 50, that gives 500 'generations' of Jedi. Dividing 1 billion by 500 gives about 2,000,000 Jedi in each generation. Hmmmmmm, that's quite a lot of Jedi. Too many to fit in the Temple we see and too many to be governed by a simple council of 12. Hmmmmmm, lets look at the ROTS book, page 197: The Jedi Temple also contained the archives, the vast library that encompassed the Order's entire twenty-five millennia of existence; everything from the widest ranging cosmographical surveys to the intimate journals of a billion Jedi Knights. Yep, a billion Jedi knights over 25,000 years. If I used my estimate of 10,000 Jedi knights in each of 500 generations over 25,000 years, I'd only get about 5,000,000 Jedi over the whole history of the order. If I jiggle my numbers and assume only a 25 year time for each generation and assume that there are 50,000 Jedi in each generation, I only get 50,000,000 Jedi over the whole history of the order, which is still 20 times smaller than 1 billion. I suppose in ancient times there could have been lots and lots and lots of Jedi. Maybe you didn't need nearly as many midichlorines to qualify back then. And that's skewing the average. But that's a bit of a stretch. So, I don't have a good answer for how many Jedi there are in the Old Republic. I base my estimate of only tens of thousand Jedi on the size of the Temple, which appears to be their only significant base of operations. I don't think that any more than tens of thousands could fit in it comfortably, even if it has huge basements. But I can't really reconcile that number with a billion Jedi Knights over a 25,000 year history without quite a lot of hand-waving and shoe-horning of the numbers. You should see my estimate of the size of the Jedi Temple. -----signature----- Links to all fics -- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=25405090&brd=10304&start=26223917 The Heart of the Jedi -- http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/26013327 ---- Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, JA and everything you wanted to know about lightsabers
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Darthbane2007 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 7/11 6:32pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Yeah. out of the thousands/handful of Jedi that have been featured in the movies/expanded universe, we only know about less than 300 by name and appearence. There are countless other Jedi Padawans, Knights, and Masters that have been given a glimpse in the background of the Jedi Temple in the PT, as well as other as of yet nameless jedi that have been in the comics or other official star wars merchandise that haven't been given names or a backstory Plus, you have the countless wars over the 25000 years that saw the deaths of many, or have them turn to the darkside. Then it was said that the OJO's origins are lost to time, so then you would have those Jedi from the VERY early days to count for.
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Arldetta Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/14 7:03pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Haloo peeps ! Boy am I glad to see this thread. I have a question I have been wanting an answer to and I may have found the place to get it. Thus far already you have skirted around that which I seek. I love the list of what Jedi might do on their free time and the idea of a typical Jedi schedule but I am missing the most important aspect. Jedi Initiates and Padawans are Students first and fore most. As an Initiate they would get basic knowledge on many things. But as they grow older and become an apprentice their studies would be on harder and more indepth topics. What I need are courses. What would Initiates learn? Math, Reading, Writing, Languages, Force concepts, Jedi History, Maps, etc. Maybe as an early Padawan, something like... Physics, Geometry, Geography, Basic Diplomacy, Religious & Cultural commonalities, Basic Navigation, etc. But My primary concern is around what one might call a "fifth-year" Padawan.... Cultures and sub-cultures, The Senate and Repulic Statutes, Astro-Physics, Piloting for any vehicle, Languages in Depth, Conflict and Tactical Strategies, etc. What do you all think might be classes available for Jedi Padawans? I know I didn't even delve into stuff like home ec, art, music, construction or technology. I'm sure if people sat down and thought about it we could create a whole Jedi Course Schedule. I just need to know what I might be missing. Also, Does the Padawan get to choose their Training path or is it the descretion of the Master once paired? I would think a mutual agreement between both or it depends on the pairing. Thoughts? Any help here would be most appreciated! Thanks, Ari -----signature----- Charter member of 'Obi-Torture Anonymous' Being Normal only happens to those not creative enough to develop their own psychosis. - me Please check bio for homepage and yahoo group.
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Independence1776 Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 7/14 8:03pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Master/Padawan relationships: I think it's something like parent/child with a heavy emphasis on teacher/student. Of couse, it varies pairing by pairing. Number of Jedi: I think there were more Jedi before the reformation, simply because they were taking adults. There's just too many babies born in the galaxy each year for all of the Force-sensitive to be taken to the Temple. Furthermore, by the time of the PT, they probably weren't taking in all the F-s, just the ones with counts about a certain level. In older times, I think they took in whoever had abilities, no matter how weak or strong. Plus, weren't there more places to train in previous eras than just the Temple on Coruscant? Classes: probably depends on the individual master. As Initiates, they were probably in similar classes, based on intellectual ability. Once Padawans, especially ones active in the field, they'd probably have an individual course, possibly using computer tutorials and the like because of the randomness of their assignments. It would also depend on what roles they have: field, intelligence, support. The first two would probably have a more individualized schedule than the latter, which rarely if ever left the Temple. Of course, that doesn't address classes themselves. Personally, I believe it also depends on what role the padawan will play as a Knight. Librarians wouldn't need to learn Astrophysics, for instance. They'd have a course program dedicated to librarian stuff (in the RL, you need a Master's degree to be a librarian so there's a lot more to it than most people think), along with other basic things that the Council determined every padawan should know. A field Jedi should know a little of everything, just in case, and would recieve particulars before a mission. Padawans would therefore concentrate on learning the generalities of the most common cultures of many planets in the galaxy, etc. In fact, there are probably field Jedi who specialize in a particular culture or region of the galaxy so they know more closely the situation. So, in the end, I guess it sums up as: past a certain point, it's individualized except for a few common core classes like (but not exclusively) history, math to a certain point, and science to a certain point. -----signature----- "Independence forever." John Adams Padawan to Luna_Nightshade Fics in bio Mostly lurking at the moment
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ardavenport Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/14 9:22pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Ari: your list looks very complete. I don't know if I have much to add, but these are some things I've thought of. One thing I assume for the GFFA is that photographic memories are the norm. That's the only way I can think of how everyone deals with the volume of information that people seem to need. So, learning is a matter taking in the information and then applying it. Small youngling - all developmental education; all types will include instruction in the Force - physical education, games, coordination, saber training - art and music - languages - simple technology and science - simple philosophy, meditation Youngling - basic education - I think this would be set course with only a little variation depending on the student - learning to read, math, history (Jedi history, galactic history), current events - physical education, games, coordination, saber training - art and music - languages - technology and science - philosophy, meditation, Jedi code Initiate, preparing to be chosen as a padawan - more advanced topics of their earlier education; and students would study more in topics that they excel in and fulfil minimal requirements in subjects that they are less interested in. - history (galactic, Jedi, specific planets) - current events, diplomacy - physical education, games, coordination, saber training, bodily control with the Force - field trips out of the Temple - art and music - languages - technology and science - driving, piloting, navigation - philosophy, meditation, Jedi code - cultures, anthropology - psychology, sociology - survival skills, especially in hostile environments from underwater to space vacuum - cooking - medical training, first-aid - military history, command, combat As a padawan, the topics would be similar to those of an initiate, but there would also be topics specifically related to being a Jedi Knight that an initiate would not get. There would probably be some minimum standards for the Padawan to complete, but otherwise I think that it would be up to the padawan what to study, with the advice of the master, of course. However, I don't think a padawan would be able to keep a regular class schedule especially if the padawan had to go with his/her master on missions. Topics would be covered as projects that could be completed on a flexible schedule. There would also be lectures, mission briefings and other one-time learning events. In on fic, I had Obi-Wan attending visits to embassies on Coruscant with a bunch of other Jedi - presumably the Jedi Order would get courtesy invitations all the time and I presumed that people could sign up to go on these trips to represent the Order and expand their education about other cultures. The master participate in learning but other masters would evaluate the padawan's progress on topics the master was not expert in. Would a 'fifth-year' padawan be maybe 17 or 18? I think by that age the padawan would have completed the basic educational requirements and would be pursing topics that he/she was interested in and/or that his/her master thought were important. BTW, I do think that even the masters attend classes and such, no matter how old they are. I don't think learning ever stops for a Jedi. So, a master might attend classes with his/her student to learn as well. -----signature----- Links to all fics -- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=25405090&brd=10304&start=26223917 The Heart of the Jedi -- http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/26013327 ---- Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, JA and everything you wanted to know about lightsabers
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Arldetta Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 7/15 2:36pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Thank you very much, '76 and ard!!! I really appreciate it. "Talking" things through have really helped me figure out what it is I need and want to utilize. Which means I can continue writing once more! Yeah! Thanks again! ~Ari -----signature----- Charter member of 'Obi-Torture Anonymous' Being Normal only happens to those not creative enough to develop their own psychosis. - me Please check bio for homepage and yahoo group.
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bi0nic Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 7/18 9:22am Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Independence1776 posted: Plus, weren't there more places to train in previous eras than just the Temple on Coruscant? Yeah, the existence of pre-Saga Jedi worlds like Ossus and Dantooine would propably ease the numbers conundrum and validate ard's very impressive, NASA-esque maths work there. Everyone's ideas on the composition of the Jedi curriculum is really intriguing as well. I have a somewhat-related question on that subject, if I may. I remember reading a fic ages ago that dealt with the idea of a Jedi 'creche', to accomodate recently adopted Force-sensitive infants, presumably before they're organised into clans, like the group of younglings Yoda is seen instructing in AOTC. Despite scouring Wookieepedia, I can't confirm the canonicity of such a thing. Any ideas? -----signature----- "I'm the sickest linguistically illicit lyrical misfit in the business And probably in existence, what's your consensus?" - Canibus Padawan to furrylittlebantha
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ardavenport Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/18 4:28pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	Aaaaaah, analysis is what I do. The 'creche' is referenced in the Jedi Apprentice books, though I don't recall where it might be mentioned. In one book Obi-Wan helps rescue some very small children in the Temple and in another story, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan pick up a Force sensitive baby (after a lot of problems with the local culture) to be trained at the Temple. The Jedi that you see in the late Old Republic are really centralized on Coruscant for their base of operations. That is another thing that makes me think that their numbers are in the low 10's of thousands at most. If they were in the 100's of thousands there would be more reasons for them to have more than one base. In earlier times, there used to be lots and lots of Sith causing problems in the galaxy before they switched to the 'rule of two'. Could that mean that there used to be lots and lots more Jedi? And when the Sith numbers went down, so did the Jedi? -----signature----- Links to all fics -- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=25405090&brd=10304&start=26223917 The Heart of the Jedi -- http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/26013327 ---- Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, JA and everything you wanted to know about lightsabers
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Independence1776 Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 7/18 7:31pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	For the PT Jedi, I read somewhere, though I can't remember where, that there were only ten thousand or so Jedi around. Your reasoning about the Jedi/Sith numbers make sense, and could also be a reason why the Jedi started taking only infants. If there was no overarching threat, there wouldn't be the need to train every Force-sensitive they could find. As for the creche, while there may not be much canon evidence for it (never read JA so wouldn't know if it was mentioned), there's common-sense evidence. After all, if the Jedi only take infants, there has to be a place to raise them. They certainly wouldn't have people outside the Temple do it! -----signature----- "Independence forever." John Adams Padawan to Luna_Nightshade Fics in bio Mostly lurking at the moment
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Darthbane2007 Registered: Oct '07	Date Posted: 7/19 6:05am Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	ardavenport posted: Aaaaaah, analysis is what I do. The 'creche' is referenced in the Jedi Apprentice books, though I don't recall where it might be mentioned. In one book Obi-Wan helps rescue some very small children in the Temple and in another story, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan pick up a Force sensitive baby (after a lot of problems with the local culture) to be trained at the Temple. The Jedi that you see in the late Old Republic are really centralized on Coruscant for their base of operations. That is another thing that makes me think that their numbers are in the low 10's of thousands at most. If they were in the 100's of thousands there would be more reasons for them to have more than one base. In earlier times, there used to be lots and lots of Sith causing problems in the galaxy before they switched to the 'rule of two'. Could that mean that there used to be lots and lots more Jedi? And when the Sith numbers went down, so did the Jedi? I read ferom different sources, mostly Wookiepedia, that before the Ruusan Reformation, They had Jedi come from different sources- 1. Birth 2. Recruitment 3. Family Line Basically, Jedi were pulling in members from different sources, so they possibly6 may have been several 10's of thousands of Jedi at some point of time in the early years. However, because of the Ruusan Reformation, they wanted to minilize the threat of a Jedi going to the dark side, so the only way they recieved new members was to get them from birth, as they are practially pure at that stage, haven't been taught in the ways of the force yet. I assume that taking Jedi at birth yielded lower numbers, and as a result, Jedi numbers went down during 1000BBY-0BBY.
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earlybird-obi-wan Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 7/19 10:30pm Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	And you have Corellia and the Corellian Jedi. They live mostly on that planet and can have children and marriage. -----signature----- writer and Star Wars fan FANART [link=http://boards.theforce.net/fan_art/b10020/25793899]fanart[/link] stories in my bio
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ardavenport Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 7/20 8:06am Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	I never use Correllian Jedi in my fics because most of the background for them was established before the prequels came out and before anyone knew that Jedi were forbidden possessions and attachments. Correllian Jedi have been written into the EU but the conflicting backgrounds are too confusing for me to write. But I can easily picture pre-Republic Correllian Jedi doing all those things. Independence1776: I think I saw the same reference to there only being about 10,000 Jedi, too. But I can't remember where I saw it either. Darthbane2007: That sounds like an excellent explanation about why Jedi numbers might be low in the Old Republic. They obviously only take them from birth whereas they could actually train them from all ages. The Council was willing to toss Anakin back because he was too old even though he had huge potential. Which leads me to one thing that I ignore in the EU......in the JA books it's stated that if a child with Force potential is not trained by the Jedi then their unused powers would cause them problems. That really makes no sense to me. Luke was an adult before he started training and had no idea that he was anything special. Obviously he and Anakin were unconsciously using the Force for piloting, didn't think their talent was anything more that good reflexes and intuition. So, if the Jedi don't train someone, I don't think that anything bad will happen to them and that there is only a very, very small chance that their Force abilities would cause problems. And that the active Force powers, like telekinesis, don't show up without training. With no Sith around, the Jedi Council in TPM did not think that Anakin would be a problem if they didn't take him. Which makes me think that when the Jedi were competing with the Sith there was a strong motivation for both sides to find and train anyone they could. So, that competition would have greatly inflated their numbers. Interesting....... -----signature----- Links to all fics -- http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=25405090&brd=10304&start=26223917 The Heart of the Jedi -- http://boards.theforce.net/b/b1/26013327 ---- Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, JA and everything you wanted to know about lightsabers
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earlybird-obi-wan Registered: Aug '06	Date Posted: 7/20 11:48am Subject: RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread - Masters and Padawans
	ardavenport posted: I never use Correllian Jedi in my fics because most of the background for them was established before the prequels came out and before anyone knew that Jedi were forbidden possessions and attachments. Correllian Jedi have been written into the EU but the conflicting backgrounds are too confusing for me to write. But I can easily picture pre-Republic Correllian Jedi doing all those things. [ Which makes me think that when the Jedi were competing with the Sith there was a strong motivation for both sides to find and train anyone they could. So, that competition would have greatly inflated their numbers. Interesting....... Corellian Jedi can be fun to write And for finding Force sensitives, it could be that the Force had to lead a Jedi Knight or master towards a child Qui-Gon was guided by the Force when he found Anakin and seeing the bond he had with Obi-Wan it could have been him who had found that one too. -----signature----- writer and Star Wars fan FANART [link=http://boards.theforce.net/fan_art/b10020/25793899]fanart[/link] stories in my bio
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