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Alexis_Wingstar
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RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread -- What's in a Temple?
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dianethx posted:
ardavenport posted:
Perhaps a relationship is not considered an 'attachment' if the parties are willing to part and let go of it? When a padawan is knighted are the former master and padawan expected to spend time apart to prove that they are not attached to each other?
I would think that they would send out the padawan on his/her/its own after knighting. However, we don't see that in ROTS since obviously Obi-Wan and Anakin do missions together a lot.... unless they still aren't sure about Anakin and want Obi to keep an eye on him. We'll probably find out more in the new Clone Wars movie. Maybe even see more of the Temple - I hope.
As for finding someone whose room keeps changing, maybe their commlinks have a come hither button or a GPS system so they just have to say the person's name and they'll get a signal as to their location. It's all speculation. 
Hmm... a 'come hither' button sounds a bit too sexy for a jedi.  The GPS system sounds intriguing... kind of like the marauder's map in Harry Potter. 
Seriously though, I think having to possibly change rooms every time you go on a mission makes things way too complicated.
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ardavenport
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Yeah, coming back to a different room every time you leave the Temple for something sounds like a lot more work than just letting people keep their own room all the time. And I suppose there are some Jedi devices in the Temple that would do for a 'marauder's map'.
And I've always assumed that Jedi rooms are more or less the same. You don't get a larger room unless you're actually.....larger.
I was listening to the SW radio drama and there's an interesting bit from Obi-Wan when he takes Luke to his hut.
LUKE: "Nice home you got here. Pretty well, hidden, too."
BEN: "It has all that I require. Shelter and comfort without a lot of clutter. I prefer to live simply and to keep around me only the things that I prize highly. That is part of the Jedi's creed."
Hmmmmmm, even back then Lucas meant for Jedi to be somewhat monastic and live simple lives. Of course, other dialog in the scene imply that Obi-Wan had more than one student, but that was before Obi-Wan's age changed with the prequels.
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RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread -- What's in a Temple?
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In The Phantom Menace novelization, it mentions that Obi-Wan had been Qui-Gon Jinn's apprentice for twenty years and if Obi-Wan was about twenty-six, that would put him at age six to become an apprentice.
Yet, the Jedi Apprentice series disputes this when it mentions that Obi-Wan was almost thirteen.
My question is, how young is too young to become a Jedi apprentice?
A friend and I were recently having this discussion. I'm trying to decide for a current story I'm trying to work out.
In one of my favorite fanfictions ever, Obi-Wan became a padawan at age four to explain the TPM novelization. In other stories, I've seen it vary from age 10 to age 13. So is there a certain line about how young a padawan can be accepted? There are things in their culture (like Obi-Wan being responsible for his actions in getting involved in a war, Amidala being elected ruler at age 14) that are not present in our own culture, so it's hard sometimes to find that balance to determine what ages are good for apprentices. Jedi Initiates are different in skill level and some might have the maturity at eight that others do not even at age thirteen.
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Alexis_Wingstar
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I would think that it would work on a case by case basis. Like you said, some children mature faster than others.
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dianethx
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I would think that it depends on the missions they go on or if they go on any at all. Taking a 6 year old to listen to boring politicians hammer out a treaty doesn't sound like a good idea. Dangerous missions, too, don't sound like good ideas for young kids...
I would think an apprentice would have to be able to think and deal with things on their own just in case the master got lost or killed or something. So I thought 13 was actually a good age to be taken by a master. Give them the basics and then refine it in apprenticeship.
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Alexis_Wingstar
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I agree. I can't imagine any child younger than 10 to be mature enough to handle going on a real mission.
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ardavenport
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Well, in 'Epistles of a Master' Obi-Wan is only six. Very cute. 
I have heard of three possible ages for initiates being selected as padawans.
- Obi-Wan's age in TPM minus 20 years in the novelization; about 5 or 6.
- Supposedly Lucas thought that Obi-Wan had been Qui-Gon's apprentice since he was 8 or 9, Anakin's age. But I don't know what interview he said it in.
- Maximum age of 13, as in the JA books.
I often use the JA timeline, but it does conflict with the TPM novelization. One of those multi-dimensional quirks of the EU. So, that means to me that it's not clear at all.
If I assume that masters select children as young as 5 or 6, then I assume that this means that they act as teacher/parent to the child, who is schooled at the Temple until he/she is old enough to start going on missions. The master would still go on missions alone or with other Jedi, the regular day job I suppose.
One thing that I do assume, but it's tough to put it in a fic without a lot of boring exposition, is that all children in the GFFA would be considered genius by mundane Earth standards, who mature early and have photographic memories, where all the children really are above-average. That's the only way I can explain Anakin and Padme, who are exceptional by GFFA standards. Anakin has the Force and Padme was selected from probably a whole planet-wide program to find future rulers.
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Darthbane2007
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Yeah, it's really confusing that we only have a few scraps of infomation on the Jedi Temple.
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ardavenport
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I suppose it could be considered good and bad that we know so little about what's inside the Jedi Temple.
The Temple is big, so we wonder what's inside.
But without any 'canon' about what's in it, that leave room for making things up that we like.
If some 'official' source came up with a map or whatever about the Temple, I could easily disagree with it.  Isn't the next SW video game possibly going to have a level or so of the Jedi Temple? And if so, would we consider the floor plan of a video game 'canon'?
It does not look like the upcoming SW cartoon will be set in the Jedi Temple at all but out amidst the Clone Wars, so I don't expect much information to come from that. At least about the Temple, though there could be more Jedi stuff.
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dianethx
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Well, I always go back to the "Complete Locations" book first to see if they had some information in it and then I might make it up anyway. Who's going to know? Lucas? My readers? I write AU anyway most of the time.  So if I have dormatories or single rooms or bunkbeds or floating mattresses, I can always say that it's AU. 
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My process is this:
1. Do I know it?
2. If not, check if wookieepedia knows it.
3. If not, make it up.
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The_Face posted:
My process is this:
1. Do I know it?
2. If not, check if wookieepedia knows it.
3. If not, make it up.
 yep, that's what I do... with the addendum that even if I think I know it, i confirm it with the wookieepedia... just in case I dreamt I knew it.
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The_Face posted:
My process is this:
1. Do I know it?
2. If not, check if wookieepedia knows it.
3. If not, make it up.
ding ding ding! WE HAVE A WINNER! 
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I do that, except I add the step of looking through my Essential Guides. Today I found something in the New Essential Chronology that I wanted to use to add a bit of "reality" to a story. Those guides have been well worth the investment, and the newer editions have some lovely art work.
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ardavenport
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The_Face posted:
My process is this:
1. Do I know it?
2. If not, check if wookieepedia knows it.
3. If not, make it up.
Aaaaaaaaah, I use a version of that plus a Step 4:
4. If it is in woookieepedia or another reference and I don't like it, make it up.
Other references I have used are:
- complete visual dictionary
- complete locations book
- SW 365 Days (production stuff mostly, but it's interesting to see what they were thinking when they built things and the picture of the 4 guys working on the Jedi Temple model is funny -- though one or two of them might be women - since they're bent over their work it's hard to tell)
- Essential Chronology
- Essential Guide to Planets
- Essential Guide of Aliens
- Ben Burtt's language book
- The Jedi vs. Sith book though it's new and I haven't used it much
EDIT: "floating matresses". Hmmmmmmmmm, never thought of that.  But since Padme had a simple, grounded bed, I would think that the Jedi would use something simple, too. But I suppose there could be special circumstances for that.
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