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The_Jedi_Index
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3/9 6:57pm
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RE: The Jedi Way - Jedi Discussion Thread -- What's in a Temple?
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Staying on the same topic, the Jedi Temple, I was wondering a few things.....
According to the Complete Locations book the Jedi Temple pre-dates the city around it. So, I assume a few things.
- There's nothing under the Temple that doesn't belong to the Temple
- There's more of the Temple than you see underneath.
So, I was wondering how much Temple is there? Is the Jedi Temple like an iceberg, where you only see the top 10% poking up above the skyline? Or maybe they just have ordinary basements?
On a related note: the long shots of the Temple evolves from TPM to ROTS. It sort of looks like the Temple was allowed to expand beyond it's usual boundaries with ship docks and other support stuff for the Clone Wars. I'm sure that didn't make the neighbors happy.
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LadyLunas
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I've always assumed that the Temple did extend all the way to the ground.
What we see in the movies is the twilight of the Jedi Order. For the size of the Temple, the amount of Jedi at the beginning of the Clone Wars must have had a lot of space in the building per person. Centuries earlier, there would have been a lot more Jedi, more than enough to fill the Temple. It also gives a reason for them to have such a large chunk of valuable Coruscant property.
As for what's beneath the general skyline, I'd assume storage, sewage treatment, and other things to make the Jedi relatively self-sufficient. Although they'd have to ship in enough food to feed themselves, I think they would try as hard as they could to grow as much stuff as possible. And the storage could be for anything - clothes, furniture, etc. With the size of the Archives shown in AotC, there has to be a ton more put away somewhere, because I don't think even that large a room could hold everything.
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dianethx
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Anne, floating mattresses was a joke but I was thinking that maybe they hung hammocks. But on the other hand, the Temple is so huge, I don't see why each person couldn't have their own space.
I also thought the Temple went all the way down to bedrock and were pretty self-contained. In the ROTS book, they closed up the Temple when they thought they were going to be under siege. They'd have to have supplies and water sources and other things if they were going to endure a siege at all.
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Independence1776
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Like others, I think it goes all the way to the ground. After all, Coruscant wasn't always so built-up. It would have been easy to build it so big and make it mostly self-sufficiant (though that would have been easier if there was actually arable land around them, as I suspect there was in the beginning). As the planet became more citified, I think the Jedi became less self-sufficiant, even if they would have preffered not to be.
Secondly, the cutways we have don't show the living quarters. I think they're below the skyline (at least most of them). The more senior members of the Order probably have higher quarters, and thus a view.
Third, if there's a need to go to the underbelly of Coruscant, there's probably a few entrances and exits at those levels, but they're kept highly secret to keep inquisitive Initiates and Padawans from exploring where they really shouldn't.
In some ways, I almost think of the Temple as a city within a city (somewhat like the Vatican, but not exactly).
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ardavenport
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dianethx posted:
Anne, floating mattresses was a joke but I was thinking that maybe they hung hammocks. But on the other hand, the Temple is so huge, I don't see why each person couldn't have their own space.
Aaaaaah, but in the GFFA floating mattresses are such a viable possibility, though not a likely one for Jedi. Still, it would be an interesting thing to find in a fic in a swanky GFFA hotel. 
I think it would be simpler all around if each Jedi had their own space. Just trying to mix and match all those different species could be a nightmare otherwise.
dianethx posted:
In the ROTS book, they closed up the Temple when they thought they were going to be under siege. They'd have to have supplies and water sources and other things if they were going to endure a siege at all.
I remember that from the ROTS book, too. I groan to think about it. The Jedi had such control over their Temple, but no one though they might need a secret emergency exit??? One would think that the temple was old enough to have a few decent secret passages out. But I guess that was just another sign of the pervasive arrogance that Yoda (of all people) complained about.
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Secondly, the cutways we have don't show the living quarters. I think they're below the skyline (at least most of them). The more senior members of the Order probably have higher quarters, and thus a view.
I'm more inclined to think that all the Jedi get basically the same room, regardless of rank. Differences might be allowed for the demands of different species. Some might need special humidity or temperatures or whatever. Another thing that would discourage roommates. And does Yoda have a room with regular ceilings? Or something smaller? I'm sure he would have furniture to fit his size.
In the 'Star Wars 365 Days' book the meditation rooms in ATOC are referred to as 'Jedi Quarters'. But that could just be what the set designers called it. 
Independence1776 posted:
In some ways, I almost think of the Temple as a city within a city (somewhat like the Vatican, but not exactly).
Actually, that's not a bad analogy though unlike the Vatican, I doubt that the Jedi ever controlled more territory around the Temple than what they needed. The Temple might be a state within a state. A crime committed within the Temple might be handled just with the Jedi Code and not Republic law.
I think that any large building on Coruscant would have to be self supporting, keeping track of everything it takes in and produces. Since the whole planet is nothing but city, then all structures would be responsible for keeping the planet's ecology going.
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Independence1776
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ardavenport posted:
I'm more inclined to think that all the Jedi get basically the same room, regardless of rank. Differences might be allowed for the demands of different species. Some might need special humidity or temperatures or whatever. Another thing that would discourage roommates. And does Yoda have a room with regular ceilings? Or something smaller? I'm sure he would have furniture to fit his size.
I believe that the room where Yoda counsels Anakin in Sith after his vision was Yoda's private mediatation room and that had windows (that designation might be in the novelization, which I don't have handy). Of course, I could be wrong. Other than windows or height in the Temple itself, I pretty much think all the room are the same, with variations for species.
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Actually, that's not a bad analogy though unlike the Vatican, I doubt that the Jedi ever controlled more territory around the Temple than what they needed. The Temple might be a state within a state. A crime committed within the Temple might be handled just with the Jedi Code and not Republic law.
Yeah, I meant Vatican City itself, not the territory the Church gained and lost over the centuries. I usually forget the Vatican had a lot more land than it does now, and I was raised Catholic! I definitely think that any crime within the Temple is kept within the Temple. After all, 99% of the galaxy doesn't have to deal with misusing the Force or other things that are unique to the Jedi.
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LadyLunas
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In my personal universe (which is not always canon), most crimes that touch upon the Force are handled by the Jedi, at least in some respect. Why? Because they know best how to deal with it.
As Indy said, the galaxy for the most part does not use the Force, and if they're aware of its capabilities, often hear the stories instead of the truth. So if someone attacked someone else using the Force, the Jedi would be called in to handle the arrest. They might not have anything to do with the trial and sentencing, but they would be involved in the periphery. Even with the existence of Force collars and Force suppressers, it would be easier to have someone there capable of handling an unforeseen situation than just relying on technology. Holding Force sensitives prisoner can be a real pain.
Conversely, I think if there were any problems within the Jedi, the Order would try keep it within the Temple. If there were any major crimes, say murder, I think the Republic Judiciary would want to get involved. They'd have to demonstrate that not even a Jedi is above the law.
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ardavenport
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If there were any crime between members of the Jedi Order in the Temple then I then I think the Republic wouldn't say out of it.
I wonder what the legal status of the Jedi Temple is? Is it like the Vatican? Or an Indian reservation? In that case, any crime inside the Temple would be handled by the Order, though I'm not sure what they'd do. I suppose there just isn't much stuff like that going on. One gets the impression that they usually don't have problems like that.
I like the idea of Jedi being called if there was problem with a non-Jedi using the Force. That would get into who non-Jedi Force-users might be. There is some stuff in the EU, but I haven't read any of it.
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Stupid question unrelated to the ongoing topic...but would there be a specific group of diplomats among the Jedi? A Jedi Diplomatic Corps, one could call it. I know there was a category created for the Roleplaying Games called "Jedi Consular" that dealt with those sort of interactions, but it wasn't a primary duty for that group.
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Oh not a stupid question at all. 
Unfortunately, I don't really know if the Jedi had any kind of diplomatic corps or not. I suppose it would make sense for them to have diplomatic specialists. Did they do anything like that in any of the EU books or comics? Obi-Wan would have been a specialist, since he's 'the negotiator', but he could have gotten that reputation also by being on the Council.
That could also bring up the whole question about whether or not Jedi have specialties in general. I know they have healers in the EU books, but I don't know about others.
I speculate the Master Dooku specialized in diplomatic things that kept him away from the Jedi Temple all the time. Thus explaining his political connections that he used as a Sith Lord and why Obi-Wan didn't meet him until AOTC. But that's just a theory for background material for a fic.
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In the KOTOR and pre-Ruusan eras, the Order did have specializations. During the prequels, it isn't as clear. I think during the prequel-era, the Jedi themselves chose a path that their talents indicated would be best for them. I haven't read a lot of the EU stuff from this period, so I'm just going based off what I read, the movies, and a little bit of research in the Wookieepedia.
Ardavenport, that theory makes sense to me. It explains quite a bit about Dooku.
Oh, speaking of the Wookieepedia and our previous discussion, in the "Judicial Department" entry, it states that the Jedi Order technically became a part of the Judicial branch after the Ruusan reformations.
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I don't know if the Jedi are 'part' of the Judicial Department in the Republic. I think the have autonomy that no other government department would have. But for my fics, I assume that the Jedi Temple is often assigned missions through the Judicial department - sort of like the Galactic attorney general's office.
In 'Cloak of Deception' Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are introduced into the story with Obi-Wan flying a ship that has Judicial Department markings. So, I assume that the Jedi share some resources with the Judicial Department.
Related to the Temple, I wonder how the Jedi keep it running. I assume that they do not take any reward for their services. In fact, it might be in the Jedi Code that Jedi are not allowed to. My guess is that the Jedi are funded directly through the Senate. Oddly enough I think that Chancellor Palpatine was very supportive of the budget for the Jedi, especially during the Clone Wars. What better why to throw them off the trail that he was the Sith Lord?
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According to starwars.com
In the final era of the Republic, the Jedi Knights operated out of the Judicial Department, under the office of Supreme Chancellor.
However, starwars.com had changed it because I distinctly remember it saying that it was part of the Judicial Dept. a couple of years back when I was researching for one of my stories. After all, they can't operate out of thin air. They need funding and some kind of legal standing in order to do the things they were doing.
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So, in other words, the Jedi are feds?  *whacks away plot bunny*
If they're part of the Judicial Department, the best analogy to make would be that they're the GFFA's version of the FBI. It makes sense: they have special training, people who do nothing but research and analyze, etc. They wouldn't have the same scope of jurisdiction, and definitely wouldn't do things the FBI itself does, but it's the same general idea. (Quite possibly they're a very odd combination of the FBI and the State Department, given the scope of their missions.)
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I assume that the Jedi Temple, and the surrounding area to a certain area serves as a "small city" for the Jedi.
In the temple, i'm sure they have the basic amenities to get the job done. Rooms for washing one's clothes and robes, a massive dining facility where they eat, and recreational things like a pool or training rooms where Jedi can hone their skills or relax right after a mission.
General upkeep of the temple is done by the Jedi, or outside help is contracted to do it, such as with the temple security force.
They appear to grow their own food in little gardens throughout the temple, or have it imported from other points in the galaxy, or they take enough credits with them when they are on a mission.
Now rooms, I'm a little hazy on. To me, I assume that younglings stay in a certain Wing or floor of the Temple, and it is supervised by a Master. Who knows, they could have 2-4 to a room, depending on certain species' needs.
When they are Chosen by a Knight as a padawan, they may move on to the next floor/wing which deals with Knights/Padawan teams, since they are spending what will hopefully be their first few years training together, the teacher and the students.
Jedi Masters/Padawans are moved up one floor/wing, for obvious reasons. Since Masters have already trained a Padawan or 2, they know what to do and how to do it.
Council members have their own special wing, and the biggest rooms to suit their needs.
Now this may conflict with what you all's ideas of what goes into the temple, so this is just my opinion.
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